Apr 02, 2024 City Council Meeting

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6:30. SO WE'RE GOING TO CALL THE 6:30 MEETING TO ORDER.

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PLANNING. BRUNO RUMBELOW.

THANK YOU, YOUR HONOR.

YOUR HONOR, WE AFTER THE LAST CHRISTMAS CAPITAL, WHICH OBVIOUSLY WAS A REALLY SUCCESSFUL EVENT THE THERE WERE SOME QUESTIONS THAT WERE ASKED ABOUT ABOUT WHAT COULD HAPPEN THAT COULD BE DONE BETTER DURING CHRISTMAS CAPITAL 2024.

THE STAFF HAS HAD SOME MEETINGS RELATIVE TO THAT.

IN PARTICULAR, WE ARE FOCUSED ON A COUPLE OF ITEMS. ONE IS THE CAROL OF LIGHTS AND SOME CHANGES THAT COULD BE MADE TO THE CAROL OF LIGHTS.

AND THEN SECONDLY IS IS ARE THE DRONE SHOWS WHICH ARE HUGELY POPULAR BUT WHICH POPULATE AN ALREADY CROWDED SATURDAY NIGHT WITH, WITH EVEN MORE AND MORE AND SO AND SO WE'RE HERE TO TALK TO YOU TONIGHT ABOUT OBVIOUSLY ANYTHING THAT THAT YOU MIGHT WANT TO BRING UP RELATIVE TO THIS TOPIC, BUT ALSO TO MAKE A PRESENTATION ABOUT SOME CHANGES TO THE CAROL OF LIGHTS AND THEN AND THEN ALSO SOME CHANGES TO THE TO THE DRONE SHOW THAT AGAIN, OUR WE'LL PUT THAT OUT THERE FOR YOUR CONSUMPTION.

AND THEN Y'ALL CAN TELL US WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT THAT.

AND IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT WE, PARDON ME, DID NOT ADDRESS THAT YOU WANT US TO ADDRESS.

WE'RE HAPPY TO DO THAT.

SO, YOUR HONOR, WITH THAT AARON BURKE WITH PARKS AND RECREATION IS HERE TO MAKE A PRESENTATION.

AND SO I'D LIKE TO TURN IT OVER TO HER, YOUR HONOR.

OKAY. VERY GOOD.

[INAUDIBLE] ALL RIGHT.

WELL, GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT OUR PROPOSED CHANGES FOR CHRISTMAS CAPITAL OF TEXAS, SPECIFICALLY STARTING WITH CAROL OF LIGHTS.

YOU'LL SEE HERE THAT WE ARE PROPOSING THAT CAROL OF LIGHTS TAKE PLACE AGAIN ON THE MONDAY PRIOR TO THANKSGIVING, WHICH THIS YEAR WOULD FALL ON MONDAY, NOVEMBER 25TH.

WE'VE BEEN TALKING THROUGH A LOT OF CHANGES THAT WOULD BE IN THE BEST INTEREST OF SAFETY, IN OVERALL ATTENDEE ENJOYMENT.

AND SO THIS IS GOING TO DETAIL SOME OF THOSE ADJUSTMENTS THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE TONIGHT.

BUT OF COURSE WE ARE OPEN TO ANY AND ALL OF YOUR FEEDBACK.

THE FIRST CHANGE IS LOOKING AT MAIN STREET A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY.

SO INSTEAD OF HAVING MAIN STREET AS AN ACTIVITY ZONE, WE WOULD BE TURNING MAIN STREET INTO WHAT WE'RE CALLING A PEDESTRIAN THOROUGHFARE FOOT FOR FOOT TRAFFIC.

IT WOULD GO FROM NORTHWEST HIGHWAY TO JUST NORTH OF THE RAILROAD.

SO WITH THIS DECISION, WE WOULD BE HAVING THAT MAIN STREET AREA AS A SAFE, OPEN SPACE FOR OUR ATTENDEES TO WALK UP AND DOWN AND ENJOY THE DIFFERENT FESTIVITIES THAT TAKE PLACE.

AT CAROL OF LIGHTS.

I ALSO MENTIONED THAT WE'D BE STOPPING RIGHT NORTH OF THE RAILROAD, SO WE'RE TAKING THAT RAILROAD OUT OF THE EQUATION WHEN IT COMES TO CAROL OF LIGHTS.

NOT NECESSARILY TO SAY THAT PEACE PLAZA WOULD NOT BE ACTIVATED WITH GENERAL THINGS SUCH AS THE ICE RINK.

OF COURSE, HARVEST HALL WOULD BE OPEN, BUT IT WOULD BE SEPARATE TO THE CAROL OF LIGHTS EVENT.

WITH THAT, THE ACTIVITIES, THE FOOD TRUCKS, ALL OF OUR ENTERTAINMENT WOULD BE RELOCATED TO DIFFERENT SIDE STREETS.

IT WOULD BE RELOCATED TO PARKING LOTS SUCH AS FOUST FUNERAL HOME AND THE FORMER MASTER MAIN FEED PARKING LOT.

AND THEN WE WOULD ALSO BE UTILIZING JENKINS STREET.

SO WE HAVE SPECIFIC ACTIVITY ZONES FOR FAMILIES, FOR CHILDREN TO ENGAGE IN, SOME OF THOSE, WHICH WE'LL TALK ABOUT AS THOSE HIGH PASS THROUGH RATE ACTIVITIES YOU'LL ALSO SEE ON MAIN STREET, EVEN THOUGH IT MAY NOT BE ALL THE WAY CLEAR OF EQUIPMENT, WHAT WE'RE THINKING ABOUT FOR MAIN STREET WOULD BE MORE OF THE PASSIVE RECREATION OPPORTUNITIES, PUTTING SOME SMALL STAGES ON MAIN STREET.

SO WHETHER YOU'RE ON THE NORTH END OR YOU'RE ON THE SOUTH END, YOU HAVE A DIFFERENT WAY TO ENGAGE, WHETHER THAT'S THROUGH PASSIVE RECREATION OR YOU GO TO ONE OF OUR ACTIVITY ZONES AND YOU PARTICIPATE IN ONE OF THE PROGRAMED ACTIVITIES.

NOW, THOSE PROGRAMED ACTIVITIES WILL BE HIGH PASS THROUGH RATE ACTIVITIES.

AND BY THAT WE MEAN ACTIVITIES THAT YOU CAN GET MANY PEOPLE THROUGH AT ONCE.

AND SO THOSE WOULD BE ACTIVITIES SUCH AS A SIX PERSON SLIDE.

WE'VE LOOKED AT DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE AN ICE BUMPER, CARS, THINGS THAT WERE MANY PEOPLE CAN GET THROUGH AT ONE TIME IN ONE OF THOSE ACTIVITY ZONES AGAIN, AND ONE OF THE SIDE STREETS IN A PARKING LOT OR ON JENKINS STREET.

WE TALKED ABOUT THE STAGES AS WELL, AND I JUST WANT TO REITERATE THAT THOSE ARE OPPORTUNITIES FOR PASSIVE RECREATION.

SO EVEN THOUGH OUR ACTIVITIES ARE CONDENSED INTO DIFFERENT AREAS, WE ALSO HAVE OPPORTUNITIES UP AND DOWN MAIN STREET.

AS YOU'RE MAKING YOUR WAY SAFELY UP AND DOWN TO ENGAGE WITH EACH OTHER, TO ENGAGE WITH PERFORMANCES THAT WOULD BE LOCAL MUSICIANS, WE WOULD BE ABLE TO WORK WITH SOME OF OUR SCHOOL DISTRICTS AND PERFORMING ARTS GROUPS LIKE WE HAVE IN THE PAST.

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SO WITH THAT, WE WOULD BE PROPOSING THE REMOVAL OF THE FIREWORKS AND LASER SHOW AT CITY HALL.

HOWEVER, WE WOULD STILL INCORPORATE THE TREE LIGHTING CEREMONY WITH OPPORTUNITIES FOR MRS. CLAUS AND MAYOR TATE TO SPEAK, BUT WE WOULD LIKE TO MOVE THAT TO THE GAZEBO AND PROGRAM IT ON A SMALLER SCALE THAT WAY, AGAIN, WE'RE TAKING THE RAILROAD.

WE'RE TAKING EVERYTHING SOUTH OF THE RAILROAD OUT OF THE EQUATION.

AND KEEPING THAT SAFETY IN MIND, ALWAYS, WE WOULD ALSO BE ASKING FOR ENHANCED OR INCREASED STREET CLOSURE TIMINGS.

IT WOULD BE AT MIDNIGHT ON SUNDAY MORNING FOR THE PARKING LOTS THAT ARE RELEVANT AGAIN.

FORCED FUNERAL HOME AND THE FORMER MASTER MAID FEED PARKING LOT, AND THEN CLOSING MAIN STREET AT 6 P.M.

ON SUNDAY NIGHT, WHICH ALIGNS WITH WHAT WE GENERALLY DO FOR FESTIVALS.

THIS WILL ALLOW US THE OPPORTUNITY TO BRING IN OUR VENDORS, BRING IN DIFFERENT EQUIPMENT.

AS WE TALKED ABOUT STAGES AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE TAKING PLACE ON MAIN STREET, IT TAKES SOME TIME TO DO THAT, AND IT ALSO TAKES TIME TO CLEAR THOSE CARS OFF OF MAIN STREET.

SO THIS GIVES US MORE OF AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING IS AS FUN AS POSSIBLE.

BUT OF COURSE, NUMBER ONE IS AS SAFE AS POSSIBLE, AND WE'RE SETTING IT UP EFFECTIVELY AND APPROPRIATELY.

THIS IS GOING TO BE A GENERAL MAP OF WHAT WE'RE THINKING.

IT IS VERY BASIC, BUT WE WANTED YOU TO HAVE A VISUALIZATION OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

SO AGAIN, SEE ON MAIN STREET ITSELF THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING SPECIFIC ON MAIN STREET.

WHAT'S NOT INCLUDED IN THIS IS THOSE SMALL STAGES THAT WE TALKED ABOUT.

BUT YOU SEE THOSE LITTLE PURPLE DOTS, THOSE ARE SOME OF OUR FOOD TRUCKS THAT WE'D BE PROPOSING TO PUT ON OUR PERPENDICULAR SIDE STREETS, UTILIZING STANCHIONS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE COHESIVE, FREE OR FAST FLOWING LINES, AND ALSO ALLOW THE INGRESS AND THE EGRESS OF PEDESTRIANS AS WELL AS EMERGENCY VEHICLES IF NEEDED.

THOSE GREEN ZONES ARE OUR ACTIVITY ZONES.

SO AGAIN, MASTER MADE FOUST.

AND ON JENKINS STREET, THOSE ARE THE THREE MAJOR AREAS THAT WILL BE PROGRAMING WITH CHILDREN'S ACTIVITIES.

I UNDERSTAND THAT LOOKING AT IT LIKE THIS, IT LOOKS LIKE OUR ACTIVITIES ARE SPREAD OUT.

BUT AT CAROL OF LIGHTS LAST YEAR WHEN WE HAD OVER 30,000 PEOPLE, THERE'S GOING TO BE FILLED ON MAIN STREET.

WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT MAIN STREET AND THAT THE RESIDENTS AND VISITORS THAT COME FEEL AS SAFE AS POSSIBLE, THAT THEY HAVE AN OPEN THOROUGHFARE TO WALK.

AND SO THIS IS THE GENERAL IDEA OF WHAT WE WOULD BE PROPOSING FOR CAROL OF LIGHTS.

THIS SUMMARY OF ADVANTAGES FOR THIS.

AGAIN, THOSE SAFETY ENHANCEMENTS ARE ALWAYS NUMBER ONE.

AND THAT WAS AT THE FOREFRONT OF OUR DECISION MAKING IN THIS PROPOSAL PROCESS THAT ENHANCED PEDESTRIAN EXPERIENCE, REMOVING THE RAILROAD FROM THE EVENT LAYOUT AND THOSE CROWD DISPERSAL MEASURES, WHICH AGAIN IS REMOVING SOME OF THOSE TIMED ITEMS. SO THERE'S NOT AS MUCH NEED FOR EVERYBODY TO BE IN ONE PLACE AT ONE TIME.

WITH ACTIVITIES SPREAD OUT THROUGHOUT THE DOWNTOWN DISTRICT AS WELL AS THOSE DIFFERENT STAGES, YOU COULD BE NORTH SIDE, YOU COULD BE ON THE SOUTH SIDE.

THERE'S GOING TO BE SOMETHING TO ENGAGE IN, BUT WE DON'T NEED ALL 30,000 PEOPLE TO BE STANDING HERE AT ONCE PARTICIPATING WITH THESE CHANGES.

WE ALSO HAVE ADDITIONAL PASSIVE RECREATION OPPORTUNITIES, OF COURSE, WITH THOSE MULTIPLE STAGES.

AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE MULTIPLE OPPORTUNITIES FOR AUDIENCE INTERACTION, WHICH WE THOUGHT WAS A VERY INTERESTING AND COOL ADDITION TO THIS EVENT.

INSTEAD OF JUST HAVING THE TREE LIGHTING CEREMONY OR THE FIREWORKS SHOW WHERE YOU HAVE THAT SMALL OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO THE AUDIENCE, WHETHER THAT BE COUNCIL, WHETHER THAT BE CITY STAFF, LOCAL DIGNITARIES, OR OUR EVENT SPONSORS.

THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRETY OF THE EVENT, WE HAVE THESE MULTIPLE STAGES BEING PROGRAMED, SO WE HAVE A TON OF OPPORTUNITY TO CONNECT WITH OUR AUDIENCE.

SOME CONSIDERATIONS WHEN IT COMES TO THE PROPOSAL IS MAJOR EVENT CHANGES.

CHANGE IS ALWAYS HARD, NO MATTER IF IT'S A MUNICIPALITY MAKING THE CHANGE OR IT'S IN YOUR PERSONAL LIFE.

RIGHT? SO THE CHANGE IS HARD.

SO ALTHOUGH OUR ENGAGEMENT OPPORTUNITIES WILL REMAIN CONSISTENT, WE WILL STILL HAVE THE ABILITY TO BRING THROUGH JUST AS MANY PEOPLE THROUGH OUR ACTIVITIES WITH THOSE HIGH PASS THROUGH RATE VENDORS.

AND WE WILL HAVE THE STAGES FOR CONTINUOUS INTERACTION.

WE UNDERSTAND THAT THAT PEDESTRIAN THOROUGHFARE AND LESS TIMED ACTIVATIONS COULD BE A IT COULD AFFECT ATTENDEE PERCEPTION.

SO THAT'S SOMETHING TO KEEP IN MIND.

BUT WE ARE DOING OUR UTMOST ON THE PLANNING PORTION TO ENSURE THAT EVEN IN OUR CONDENSED ACTIVITY ZONES, THAT WE STILL HAVE AS MUCH ENGAGEMENT AS WE WOULD OTHERWISE.

BUT WE DO UNDERSTAND THAT LOOKING A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT MAY BE A SHOCK TO THE SYSTEM.

COST ESCALATION IS ALSO SOMETHING TO KEEP IN MIND.

ALTHOUGH THE COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH THE FIREWORKS, FOR EXAMPLE, WOULD BE REMOVED, WE HAVE OTHER COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH AN EVENT OF THIS NATURE THAT WOULD INCREASE.

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BUT HAVING MULTIPLE STAGES, HAVING TO GET POWER TO SOME OF OUR SIDE STREETS OR ON JENKINS STREET, THINGS LIKE THAT WILL ADD UP VERY QUICKLY.

FOR EXAMPLE, $25,000 IS JUST A BASE PRICE FOR THREE STAGES AND SOME AV.

BUT WE WANT TO OF COURSE WE ARE GRAPEVINE WE'RE GOING TO DO THE WOW FACTOR.

WE'RE GOING TO GO ABOVE AND BEYOND.

SO KEEPING IN MIND THAT COST ESCALATION WILL BE PART OF THIS DECISION, WE ALSO WANT TO REITERATE THAT EVEN WITH ALL OF THESE CHANGES, EVEN WITH OUR PEDESTRIAN THOROUGHFARE, EVEN WITH EVERYTHING THAT IS CHANGED OR ADJUSTED IN THE INTEREST OF SAFETY, THERE STILL ARE NO ATTENDANCE CONTROL MEASURES.

AND SO WE'RE GOING TO ADJUST THE LAYOUT TO BETTER MANAGE THOSE CROWDS.

BUT WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT THAT.

THERE AREN'T CONTROL MEASURES IN PLACE TO REALLY MONITOR THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE IN ATTENDANCE.

AND SO THAT'S SOMETHING TO CONSIDER, IS EVEN THOUGH WE ARE DOING EVERYTHING THAT WE CAN TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PEOPLE THAT ARE HERE ARE HAVING A GOOD TIME, AND THE PEOPLE THAT ARE HERE ARE SAFE AND HAVE SPACE TO MOVE AROUND FREELY.

WE CAN'T CONTROL WITHIN THIS PROPOSAL THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE ACTUALLY ATTENDING THIS EVENT.

AND THAT CONCLUDES MY PORTION OF THE PRESENTATION FOR CAROL OF LIGHTS.

I'M HAPPY TO MOVE INTO DRONE SHOW AND WORK THROUGH THE WORKSHOP AFTERWARDS, IF THAT WORKS FOR EVERYBODY.

I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.

YES, MA'AM. SO YOU'LL BE UTILIZING JENKINS FOR SOME ACTIVITIES, SO IT WILL OBVIOUSLY BE CLOSED.

CORRECT. AND MAIN STREET WILL BE CLOSED.

CORRECT. AND THAT'S ALL DAY MONDAY.

CORRECT. STARTING THE NIGHT BEFORE AND OPENED UP THAT EVENING.

HOW IS THIS GOING TO IMPACT THE MERCHANTS THAT ARE ON MAIN STREET THAT CAN'T GET IN THE FRONT DOOR? THEIR CUSTOMERS CAN'T, AND THEY HAVE DIFFICULTY GETTING IN THE BACK DOOR BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO BE HEARING ABOUT THAT.

YEAH, I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND.

THAT IS ONE OF THE CONSIDERATIONS THAT WE'VE HAD IN THE PAST AS WELL.

I WILL SAY THAT FOR LAST YEAR, FOR EXAMPLE, WE CLOSED THE STREET AT 1:00 WITH A 4:00 START TIME.

WHAT'S REALLY DIFFICULT IS GETTING THE CARS OFF THE STREET THAT ARE ALREADY ON THERE.

SO WE CLOSED AT 1:00, BUT REALLY WE COULDN'T START OUR SETUP UNTIL TWO.

AND SO BETWEEN 2 AND 4:00 WAS JUST NOT ADEQUATE TIME TO MAKE SURE THAT THE EVENT IS SET UP IN THE INTEREST OF FUN AND REALLY IN THE INTEREST OF SAFETY.

SO YOU CLOSED DOWN JENKINS THIS PAST DECEMBER? NO, MA'AM. SO WE ONLY CLOSED DOWN MAIN STREET.

CORRECT. OKAY, SO NOW WE'RE CLOSING DOWN JENKINS ALL THE WAY.

YES, MA'AM. AND THAT'S GOING TO IMPACT THE MERCHANTS.

AND WE'RE GOING TO BE HEARING ABOUT THAT.

WHAT PROVISIONS ARE THERE GOING TO BE FOR ANY KIND OF ACCESS FROM THOSE MERCHANTS TO GET IN AND OUT OF THEIR CUSTOMERS TO AGAIN, WE'RE GOING TO BE HEARING ABOUT THAT.

I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND.

SO WITH JENKINS, THAT IS NOT PART OF OUR PROPOSAL FOR SUNDAY, WHAT WE'D BE CLOSING ON SUNDAY JUST TO MAKE SURE WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE.

WHAT WOULD BE CLOSING ON SUNDAY IS THOSE PARKING LOTS AND MAIN STREET.

JENKINS WOULD BE CLOSED ON MONDAY, BUT WITH THAT THERE WOULD HAVE TO BE CONCESSIONS.

I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE ALLOWING SOME OF THOSE DELIVERY TRUCKS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE TO GET IN.

WHAT WE WOULD BE DOING IS REALLY COMMUNICATING WITH HDGA, AND THAT'S WHAT I THINK IS FIRST AND FOREMOST.

SO I ACTUALLY ALREADY STARTED THE CONVERSATION WITH THE PRESIDENT OF HDGA AND TALKED TO HER ABOUT, HEY, WE'RE THINKING ABOUT MAKING THESE CHANGES IN THE INTEREST AGAIN OF SAFETY.

SHE'S TALKED THROUGH WITH US THAT SHE UNDERSTANDS THE REASONING BEHIND SOME OF THE DECISIONS THAT WE'RE MAKING.

SHE ALSO UNDERSTANDS THAT NOT EVERY MEMBER OF HDGA IS GOING TO BE ON BOARD, BUT SHE IS WILLING TO WORK WITH US TO MAKE THOSE, YOU KNOW, ACCOMMODATIONS TO BE AS SUCCESSFUL AS POSSIBLE. SO IT IS DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT WE'RE STILL CONTINUING TO WORK ON, AND WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT IT PLAYS INTO THE ULTIMATE PROPOSAL FOR THIS EVENT.

YEAH, SHE'S SHE'S VERY EASY TO WORK WITH.

I'M WONDERING HOW WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO HANDLE IT THOUGH.

ARE YOU GOING TO HAVE STAFF STANDING BACK THERE ALL DAY LONG TO LET DELIVERY TRUCKS IN? THAT'S WHAT I'M WONDERING. HOW ARE YOU GOING TO HANDLE THAT ON OUR SIDE OF IT.

NOT ON THE MERCHANT SIDE, BUT ON OUR SIDE BECAUSE WE'RE THE ONE THAT'S HOLDING THEM UP.

AND THE OTHER THING I WANT TO KNOW PLEASE.

YOU SAID THERE WOULD BE ACTIVITIES ON MAIN STREET.

AND YOU STARTED OFF SAYING THAT MOST OF THE ACTIVITIES ARE ALL WOULD BE MOVED INTO THE PARKING LOT.

SO WHAT KIND OF ACTIVITIES ARE THERE GOING TO BE ON MAIN STREET? SO MOSTLY ON MAIN STREET WILL BE THOSE SMALL STAGES.

SO OUR IDEA IS THAT WE WOULD HAVE AT LEAST THREE SMALL STAGES, ONE IN THE MIDDLE, ONE ON THE NORTH, ONE ON THE SOUTH, ON MAIN STREET ITSELF.

THAT'S AGAIN WHERE WE'D HAVE THOSE ACOUSTIC PERFORMANCES.

WE WOULD HAVE THE SCHOOLS, WE WOULD HAVE SOME OF OUR PERFORMING ARTS GROUPS THAT WOULD BE ON THOSE STAGES, AS WELL AS, AGAIN, OPPORTUNITIES FOR COUNCIL, CITY STAFF AND SPONSORS TO SPEAK. BUT OTHER THAN THAT, REALLY WE WOULD LIKE TO KEEP MAIN STREET AS A EMPTY, OPEN THOROUGHFARE.

AND WHEN I SAY EMPTY, I MEAN EMPTY AT 4:00.

BUT BY 5:00, WHEN WE HAVE 30,000 PLUS PEOPLE ON IT, THAT'S WHAT'S GOING TO BE FILLING MAIN STREET.

AND SO THAT WAS REALLY THE BASIS OF OUR IDEA IS HOW DO WE MAKE IT AS SAFE AS POSSIBLE TO MAKE YOUR WAY FROM ONE SIDE TO THE OTHER? I WILL BE THE FIRST TO SAY THAT LAST YEAR, AFTER THE TREE LIGHTING CEREMONY, I NEEDED TO GET FROM PEACE PLAZA TO CITY HALL FOR THE FIREWORKS SHOW WITHIN AN HOUR, AND IT

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OF COURSE, I WAS STOPPING AND TALKING TO PEOPLE ALONG THE WAY, BUT MOST OF THAT WAS JUST MAKING MY WAY IN AND OUT OF THE DIFFERENT EQUIPMENT THAT WE HAD AND THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE.

SO THE IDEA IS THAT IF WE CAN TRY TO KEEP MAIN STREET AS OPEN AS POSSIBLE AND MOVE THINGS TO THE SIDE, WE ARE PROVIDING AN OPEN SPACE FOR OUR ATTENDEES TO GO FROM ONE SIDE TO THE NEXT WITHOUT FEELING CRAMPED, WITHOUT FEELING UNSAFE, BEING ABLE TO EXPLORE IN A WAY THAT THEY ENJOY, IN THAT THEY'RE ABLE TO GO HOME AND SAY, I HAD A GREAT TIME, BUT AT THE SAME TIME I HAD A SAFE TIME AND THAT IS ALWAYS OUR NUMBER ONE GOAL.

THANK YOU, THANK YOU.

I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS, PLEASE.

IT'S CERTAINLY GOING TO IMPACT THE THE VENDORS, THERE'S NO DOUBT.

AND WE ARE YOU HAVEN'T EVEN BEGUN TO HEAR YET.

IT'S THAT'S GOING TO BE BIG.

BUT I UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO.

BUT IT ALSO IS GOING TO IMPACT PARKING A GOOD BIT.

TO CLOSE THAT OFF, THAT'S GOING TO AFFECT SOME OF THOSE PARKING LOTS WHERE PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO PARK AND THEN GET THROUGH.

I DON'T KNOW HOW FAR BACK YOU'RE GOING TO TRY TO TO BLOCK THE STREET OFF, BUT THAT THAT'S CERTAINLY GOING TO BE AN ISSUE WE HAVE TO TALK ABOUT IF.

YOU'RE HAVING EVENTS AT THE GAZEBO ON A SMALLER SCALE.

ARE YOU GOING TO HAVE GRANDSTANDS THERE FOR PEOPLE, OR ARE YOU GOING TO HAVE SEATING, OR HOW ARE YOU GOING TO ACCOMMODATE? AT THIS TIME, WE DO NOT PLAN TO HAVE GRANDSTANDS, AND THE REASON THAT WE DON'T IS THAT WE KNOW THERE IS GOING TO BE, EVEN THOUGH, YOU KNOW, I'M SAYING WE'RE GOING TO LIMIT OUR TIMED ACTIVITIES BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TENS OF THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE TO GATHER IN ONE SPACE AT ONCE.

WE DO UNDERSTAND WITH THE TREE LIGHTING CEREMONY THAT IS PART OF THE TRADITION.

THAT'S PART OF THE FUN. THAT'S PART OF THE REASON THAT PEOPLE ARE COMING TO THIS EVENT.

SO WE UNDERSTAND THAT IT WILL BE A LARGE ATTENDANCE IN FRONT OF THE GAZEBO AT THAT TIME.

AND OUR CONCERN IS IF THAT WE ADD GRANDSTANDS TO IT, WE ARE JUST TAKING UP SPACE THAT OTHERWISE WOULD BE TAKEN UP BY PEOPLE STANDING, AND THAT WOULD CREATE A LITTLE BIT MORE MOVEMENT, I BELIEVE, THAN INSTEAD OF HAVING PEOPLE SIT IN THESE LARGE EQUIPMENT AREAS LIKE THE GRANDSTANDS WOULD BE TAKING UP SPACE WHICH OTHERWISE COULD BE ACCOMPANIED BY ME, A LITTLE SPACE, AND THE NEXT PERSON.

I JUST DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO BE DISAPPOINTED.

WE'VE HAD SUCH SUCH BIG EVENTS THAT PEOPLE HAVE ENJOYED.

I THOUGHT LAST YEAR IT WAS PRETTY COMPLICATED TRYING TO GET FROM THE TREE LIGHTING ALL THE WAY BACK DOWN TO CITY HALL, SO THAT CERTAINLY I'M GLAD YOU'RE TRYING TO FIX THAT AND NOT HAVE THAT SAME COMPLICATION.

BUT. IT.

IT CONCERNS ME THAT.

IT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE WE'RE REALLY CUTTING BACK.

AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE INTENT.

I KNOW WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO PROVIDE A SAFER ENVIRONMENT AND ALL THAT, BUT.

I'M JUST A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT HOW THAT'S GOING TO TO LOOK AND HOW PEOPLE ARE GOING TO ACCEPT THAT.

SO I'M JUST JUST A THOUGHT AS WE'RE TALKING.

SO I KIND OF LIKE I LIKE WHAT YOU'RE PRESENTING.

I THINK THAT THE IDEA OF DE-PEAKING IT IN TERMS OF NOT ONLY THE TIMING, BUT THE GEOGRAPHY AND SPREADING IT OUT AROUND A LITTLE BIT, I THINK ACTUALLY WILL HELP.

IT WILL BE A BIT OF A RESET, TO BE FAIR, BUT I THINK AFTER WHAT WE HAD LAST YEAR, A RESET IS PROBABLY IN ORDER.

AND, AND I THINK THAT YOU KNOW, AS MUCH AS I WAS LOOKING TO SCHEDULE AROUND THE RAILROAD CROSSING, I'D LIKE I REALLY LIKE THE IDEA THAT YOU'VE JUST KIND OF HIVED THAT OFF ALL TOGETHER. WE'RE NOT HAVING TO INTERACT WITH THE TRAIN SCHEDULE, AND WE'LL MAKE IT WORK WITH EVERYTHING NORTH OF THE RAILROAD TRACKS.

SO I THINK THAT'S A GREAT SOLUTION.

AND I THINK YOU'RE ON THE RIGHT TRACK FOR GETTING SOMETHING THAT WORKS BETTER FOR EVERYBODY HERE.

THANK YOU. AND I DO WANT TO SAY THAT WE UNDERSTAND EVEN THOUGH WE'RE NOT PROGRAMING PIECE PLAZA, PEOPLE WILL STILL NEED TO MOVE ACROSS THE RAILROAD TRACKS.

WE ARE GOING TO DO OUR BEST TO NOT ENCOURAGE LARGE CROWDS TO MOVE ACROSS THE RAILROAD TRACKS.

THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE GOING TO ANYTHING THAT'S CAROL OF LIGHTS RELATED, BUT THE CVB HAS OFFERED TO MANAGE THAT SPACE.

SO EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT GOING TO BE ON THE SOUTH SIDE, IT WON'T BE PROGRAMED AS PART OF CAROL OF LIGHTS.

WE WILL STILL HAVE STAFF THAT ARE MANAGING THE SAFE CROSSING ACROSS THE RAILROAD.

THAT WAS JUST GETTING READY TO ASK THAT QUESTION.

YES. AND WILL WE HAVE POSSIBLY THE VIDEO SCREENS.

WILL THEY BE AT PEACE PLAZA, OR WILL WE HAVE THOSE AT DIFFERENT LOCATIONS ON MAIN STREET SINCE..

THOSE WERE GOOD? YOU KNOW, SINCE WE LIKE THOSE, SINCE IT'S A LITTLE SMALLER.

GATHERING FOR THE TREE LIGHTING.

SAY, IF I WAS AT PEACE PLAZA, I COULD STILL, I DON'T KNOW.

YEAH, IT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING WE CAN CONSIDER.

SOMETHING THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT AS WELL AS HAVING SPEAKERS THAT GO FROM ONE SIDE OF THE STREET TO THE OTHER.

IT ALLOWS US THE OPPORTUNITY TO AGAIN ENGAGE WITH THE MASSES NO MATTER WHERE YOU ARE ON MAIN STREET.

AND SO EVEN IF YOU'RE NOT RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE GAZEBO FOR THE TREE LIGHTING, YOU CAN STILL HEAR IT AT A DIFFERENT LOCATION.

BUT IT IS SOMETHING WE CAN DEFINITELY CONSIDER AS SCREENS AND DIFFERENT AREAS.

WE APPRECIATED THOSE AS PART OF THE PEACE PLAZA TREE LIGHTING CEREMONY AS WELL.

BUT I AGREE WITH CHRIS.

I DO LIKE THE DIRECTION THAT YOU'RE GOING.

I THINK IT'S THE RIGHT DIRECTION.

THANK YOU. I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS I WANT TO EXPLORE A LITTLE BIT MORE, JENKINS.

OKAY. JUST SO I HAVE A VISUAL OF HOW IT'S GOING TO BE ARE YOU CAN YOU FLIP BACK TO.

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YES, SIR. SORRY.

NO, I APPRECIATE THAT.

SO ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT JENKINS GETS CLOSED FROM NORTHWEST HIGHWAY TO FRANKLIN.

THE WHOLE. YES, IT GETS CLOSED.

YES, MA'AM. AND WHEN YOU CLOSE IT, IS THERE GOING TO BE FENCING UP THERE? BLESS YOU. WHOEVER SNEEZED? IS THERE GOING TO BE FENCING ALONG THERE, OR WILL IT JUST BE WHERE VEHICLES CAN'T ACCESS? BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE PARKING AND THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BE FIGURING OUT HOW TO GET INTO THE CORRECT PLACE WHERE THE EVENTS ARE HAPPENING.

COULD YOU EXPLAIN THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE? YES. SO WE WILL NOT HAVE FENCING ON JENKINS.

WHAT WE WILL HAVE IS VEHICLE BARRICADES SO VEHICLES WILL BE UNABLE.

EXACTLY. THE STREETS TEAM WILL BE ASSISTING US IN PUTTING THOSE VEHICLE BARRICADES YOU'LL STILL BE ABLE TO ACCESS, BECAUSE RIGHT THERE IS THE CHURCH.

AND THAT IS A VERY LARGE PARKING ZONE.

SO YOU'LL STILL BE ABLE TO ACCESS THE CHURCH FOR PARKING.

YOU'LL STILL BE ABLE TO ACCESS RIGHT THERE AT WALL IN MAIN IS THE CITY PARKING LOT.

ALL OF THAT WILL STILL BE AVAILABLE.

IT'S JUST GOING TO BE AVAILABLE FROM A DIFFERENT SIDE.

SO THERE IS INGRESS AND EGRESS ON MULTIPLE LOCATIONS.

WHAT YOU WHAT YOU MIGHT ALSO CONSIDER.

AND I LIKE THE DIRECTION YOU'RE HEADED.

BUT WHAT YOU MIGHT ALSO CONSIDER, PARTICULARLY WITH WORKING WITH THOSE MERCHANTS, IS MAYBE PART OF THOSE TWO PARKING LOTS, LIKE THE ONE AT WORTH, AND THEN THE CITY LOT THAT AT A PERIOD OF TIME THEY'RE BLOCKED OFF A LITTLE BIT BEFORE EVERYTHING HAPPENS SO THAT PEOPLE CAN GET THEIR GOODS INTO THEIR STORES OR RESTAURANTS IF THEY NEED TO DO THAT. I MEAN, HOPEFULLY THEY'LL HAVE IT ALL DONE BEFORE, BUT IF THERE'S A FEW THINGS THEY NEED TO DO, WE WE DON'T WANT IT TO BE A CRISIS FOR THEM BECAUSE, AS YOU KNOW, YOU GOT A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT HAVE BUSINESSES THERE.

SO OBVIOUSLY COMMUNICATION WILL BE IMPORTANT.

AND THEN ALSO MAKING SURE THAT THEY CAN UNLOAD AND DO THINGS.

THEY MAY HAVE TO DO IT FROM MIDNIGHT TO 2 A.M., I DON'T KNOW.

BUT JUST SO THAT THERE'S A PLACE MARKED FOR THEM TO BRING WHATEVER GOODS THEY NEED TO BRING IN, THAT IS A GREAT THOUGHT.

WE ALSO USE UTILIZE THAT CHURCH PARKING LOT LAST YEAR FOR STAFF AND VOLUNTEERS AND SO KIND OF PLAYING ON THAT AND MAYBE, YOU KNOW, JUST OPENING IT UP A LITTLE BIT BROADER TO MERCHANTS, SOMETHING THAT WE ALSO DO THAT I DIDN'T MENTION EARLIER IS NOT ONLY ARE WE COMMUNICATING WITH HDGA, BUT WE ALSO GO AND TALK TO THE MERCHANTS ON MAIN STREET.

SO THAT'S PART OF OUR PLAN, WHICH IT HAS BEEN PART OF THE PLAN IN THE PAST AS WELL.

AS WE STOP BY THOSE STORES, WE HAVE A INFORMATIONAL BROCHURE THAT WE HAND TO THEM THAT GIVES THEM THE GENERAL IDEA, BUT WE ALSO ARE INTERESTED IN THEIR FEEDBACK.

AND SO WE TALK THROUGH WHAT THOSE DIFFERENT CHALLENGES THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE FACING.

LAST YEAR, FOR EXAMPLE, WHEN THE STREET CLOSED AT ONE, WE MADE SURE THAT ALL OF THE VENDORS, ALL OF THE MERCHANTS ON MAIN STREET, KNEW ABOUT THE STREET CLOSURE IN ADVANCE.

AND WHAT THEY WERE ABLE TO DO WAS TO PUSH THEIR DELIVERIES A LITTLE BIT EARLIER.

SO EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THERE, COUNCILWOMAN FREED, IS THAT THEY WERE ABLE TO KIND OF WORK AROUND THE SCHEDULE THAT WE HAD PROPOSED, AND SO THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE'D WORK WITH OUR MERCHANTS DIRECTLY TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY STILL HAVE WHAT THEY NEED TO BE SUCCESSFUL.

OBVIOUSLY, THIS EVENT IS FOR OUR RESIDENTS.

IT'S FOR OUR DOWNTOWN DISTRICT.

IT'S FOR THE ECONOMIC IMPACT.

IT'S FOR THE I MEAN, GRAPEVINE IS SUCH A WONDERFUL PLACE TO LIVE, TO WORK, TO OWN A BUSINESS.

SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL OF THE DIFFERENT PEOPLE, ALL THE DIFFERENT BUSINESSES AND ELEMENTS ARE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION.

PART OF THE WOW FACTOR HAS ALWAYS BEEN THE FIREWORKS.

ARE YOU SAYING CURRENTLY THE WAY YOU HAVE IT, THERE WILL BE NO FIREWORKS AT ALL? YES MA'AM. SOMETHING TO CONSIDER AS WELL WITH THE FIREWORKS IS THAT A SAFETY MEASURE HAS BEEN PUT IN PLACE THAT OVER TEN MILES PER HOUR, WE CANNOT LAUNCH FIREWORKS. SO AS YOU SAW LAST YEAR, WE WERE OVER THAT WE WEREN'T ABLE TO LAUNCH THE FIREWORKS.

I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT NUMBER.

RANDY PROBABLY KNOWS THAT.

ACTUALLY, THE NUMBER, RANDY, OF THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS, THAT WE WOULD HAVE BEEN ABLE TO SHOOT THREE OUT OF FIVE SO WE WOULDN'T HAVE SHOT THREE OUT OF FIVE YEARS WITH THAT TEN MILE PER HOUR FIREWORK RULE.

SO NOT ONLY IS IT REALLY OUR MAIN CONCERN, NUMBER ONE IS CONGREGATING OF PEOPLE.

WE'RE TRYING TO GET AWAY FROM THOSE TIMED ACTIVITIES.

BUT NUMBER TWO, IF THAT IS OUR BIG WOW FACTOR AND WE HAVE TO CANCEL IT BECAUSE OF THE WIND, WE WOULD RATHER NOT DO THAT.

WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WHATEVER WOW FACTOR WE'RE PUTTING INTO PLACE, THAT WE CAN GUARANTEE IT'LL HAPPEN.

I'M LOOKING AT THE MAP AND I SEE SOME BLUE FESTIVAL ZONE TWO ON BARTON STREET.

SO ARE YOU CLOSING OFF PART OF BARTON STREET ALSO? SO THIS IS ACTUALLY THOSE DIFFERENT AREAS THAT'S MORE ON THE PD SIDE.

SO THIS IS WHAT THEY UTILIZE FOR FESTIVAL ZONES AS FAR AS POLICE PRESENCE IN THOSE AREAS.

AND SO WE MAY HAVE TO CLOSE DOWN AREAS OF BARTON.

LAST YEAR WE JUST CLOSED A VERY SMALL PORTION THAT WAS BEHIND CITY HALL AND THAT WAS FOR FIREWORKS.

SO WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO LOOK AT THAT AND DETERMINE WHAT WOULD BE BEST.

BUT OUR GOAL ALWAYS IS TO MAKE SURE THAT AS MANY STREETS ARE AS ACCESSIBLE AS POSSIBLE.

SO THAT IS NOT CURRENTLY IN THE PLAN.

OKAY. SO WHAT IS GOING TO BE IN THAT FESTIVAL ZONE TWO.

THAT'S BLUE. YOU'RE SAYING THAT'S TOTALLY FOR PD AS FAR AS THE COLORING IS.

SO THIS MAP, THE BASE OF THIS MAP IS UTILIZED THROUGH WHAT BETSY OVER IN OUR GIS DEPARTMENT.

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AND. SO IT'S JUST KIND OF GIVES PD AS WELL AS CVB AND RECREATION AN IDEA OF WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FESTIVAL ZONE ONE, THIS IS THE AREA THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, BUT IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY COME INTO PLAY AS FAR AS THE ACTUAL FOOTPRINT OF THIS EVENT.

I'M TRYING TO GET A HANDLE ON HOW HOW MANY OF THE STREETS ARE GOING TO BE CLOSED.

YES, MA'AM. SO WHEN I SAW THAT, THAT THAT'S WHAT PROMPTED MY QUESTION.

THANK YOU, THANK YOU.

I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS, PLEASE.

SO ON THE FOOD TRUCKS, IT SEEMED LIKE LAST YEAR WE THE THEY WERE VISIBLE, BUT THEY WERE GROSSLY UNDERSTAFFED.

AND THE LINES WERE JUST I MEAN, BEYOND RIDICULOUS.

AND SO AS WE LOOK AT VENDORS, CAN WE REQUIRE THEM TO MAKE SURE MOST OF YOU, OH, WE GOT IT.

WE'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR 100 YEARS, WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE DOING, BUT THEY DON'T REALLY KNOW THE IMPACT OF WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IN THAT SHORT WINDOW.

IS ONE I WAS GOING TO ASK YOU ABOUT MAKING SURE THAT THAT'S KIND OF FIXED, BECAUSE..

DEFINITELY.. THAT WAS A BIG PROBLEM.

THE OTHER THING IS, IS THAT IT SEEMS TO ME THERE'S OPPORTUNITIES TO HAVE PORTABLES THROUGHOUT MAIN STREET TO FOR JUST WATER.

OKAY. FOR JUST SIMPLE DRINKS FOR PEOPLE TO BECAUSE PEOPLE A LOT OF TIMES ARE LOOKING FOR SOMETHING TO DRINK.

BUT THEY HAD THESE HUGE LINES FOR FOOD AND THERE WAS NO PLACE TO JUST GO GET SOMETHING TO DRINK, SOMETHING SIMPLE WHERE YOU COULD PUT PORTABLES THROUGHOUT MAIN STREET, WHERE PEOPLE COULD GO GET SOMETHING TO DRINK, ESPECIALLY WITH ALL THEIR YOUNG KIDS AS WELL.

YEAH. SO SO YOU'RE GOING TO GREAT SUGGESTION.

YEAH, WE CAN DEFINITELY WE CAN DEFINITELY LOOK AT THAT.

AND YOU'RE WORKING ON THE..

THE FOOD TRUCKS..

WITH AND HELPING THEM UNDERSTAND THEY NEED.

YES, SIR. THEY ARE OVERSTAFFED.

YEAH. WE ARE IN THE PROCESS ACTUALLY RIGHT NOW OF UPDATING OUR APPLICATION FOR 2024.

SO THAT IS DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT WE CAN UTILIZE.

IF THERE'S ANY OTHER FEEDBACK IN REGARDS TO THE FOOD TRUCKS, IT CAN BE SOMETHING THAT WE PUT INTO PLACE BEFORE THEY SIGN ON AND AGREE TO BE PART OF THE EVENT.

SO WE WILL DEFINITELY INCLUDE THAT.

BECAUSE I KNOW WE'RE LOYAL TO A LOT OF THESE FOOD TRUCKS, BUT A LOT OF TIMES, YOU KNOW, IT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT FOR EACH FESTIVAL.

THE OTHER THING I WAS GOING TO SAY IS, AND THIS MAY BE A POLICE QUESTION, BUT CAN WE NOT EXPAND OUT THE TRAFFIC CONTROL AND DIRECTION AND HELP PEOPLE BE ON EVEN AROUND MAIN STREET? BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE YOU'RE GETTING A LOT OF PEOPLE COMING OFF THE HIGHWAYS ON WILLIAM D TATE OR OFF, YOU KNOW, KIND OF OFF I GUESS WITH DALLAS ROAD ALL THE WAY DOWN AND THEY'RE COMING IN AND THE DIRECTION OF BECAUSE I'M ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE THAT DON'T REALLY LOOK AHEAD OF TIME FOR PARKING, MAYBE AT THESE TYPES OF EVENTS AND TO GET DIRECTIONS TO HELP PEOPLE GET TO WHERE THEY'RE GOING, BECAUSE IT SEEMED LIKE WE DID A PRETTY GOOD JOB AROUND MAIN STREET, BUT BEYOND A COUPLE OF BLOCKS, IT WAS JUST CHAOS.

I WOULD DEFINITELY SAY THAT THAT IS A PD QUESTION.

HOWEVER, I WILL SAY THAT THERE HAS BEEN SO MANY CONVERSATIONS ALREADY DIRECTLY FOLLOWING LAST YEAR'S EVENT HERE IN 2024 TO SOLVE THAT PROBLEM.

EXACTLY. SO I CAN'T SPEAK TO EXACTLY WHAT IT WILL BE GOING FORWARD.

THAT WOULD BE PD AND FIRE TO MAKE THAT DECISION, BUT IT IS SOMETHING THAT IS ON THE RADAR AND THEY'RE MAKING THOSE ADJUSTMENTS.

I'LL ALSO SAY THAT THIS IS SOMETHING WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING INTERNALLY IS TO UTILIZE SHUTTLE SERVICE FOR CAROL OF LIGHTS.

AND SO WE KNOW THAT OUR CURRENT SHUTTLES ARE REALLY TIED UP A LOT OF THE TIME WITH OTHER CCOT ACTIVITIES, WHETHER THAT BE ICE AT THE GAYLORD OR ANYTHING ELSE THAT'S GOING ON AROUND TOWN. SO WE HAVE BEEN INTERNALLY DISCUSSING DIFFERENT OPTIONS FOR SHUTTLE SERVICES, WHETHER THAT IS UTILIZING WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE OR GOING TO AN EXTERNAL PROVIDER AS WELL TO TRY TO BREAK UP SOME OF THAT TRAFFIC CONGESTION RIGHT THERE IN THE DOWNTOWN DISTRICT.

BUT I DO KNOW THAT THOSE CONVERSATIONS ARE BEING HAD.

OKAY. AND THEN WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT THAT TOO, I'M WONDERING IF IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE FOR US TO HAVE MORE SIGNAGE.

I MEAN, I DON'T THINK YOU CAN HAVE ENOUGH DIRECTIONAL SIGNAGE.

I MEAN, OFF OF EVERY HIGHWAY.

I MEAN, WE HAVE OUR TRADITIONAL SIGNS THAT GO UP DURING FESTIVALS AND WE'VE SEEN THEM, BUT IT SEEMS TO ME WE COULD DO A LOT BETTER ON JUST SIMPLE ARROWS AND DIRECTIONS AND PARKING AND THIS WAY AND THAT WAY, BECAUSE I JUST DON'T THINK THERE'S ENOUGH OUT THERE FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE NOT FAMILIAR WITH OUR TOWN.

OKAY. THAT ARE NEW TO GRAPEVINE.

YEAH, WE WILL DEFINITELY MAKE A NOTE OF THAT AND SEE WHAT WE CAN DO TO MAKE THOSE CHANGES.

WE ALWAYS TALK ABOUT YOU CAN'T OVER SIGN BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT GOING TO READ THE FIRST THREE SIGNS THAT YOU SEE.

IT'S GOING TO BE THE FOURTH OR THE FIFTH ONE.

RIGHT. SO OVER SIGNING IS A GREAT IDEA.

I THINK ONE MORE IMPORTANT WOULD BE TO HAVE A MAP SIMILAR TO THIS, TO TELL PEOPLE WHAT'S HAPPENING AND WHERE IT IS.

OKAY, YOU GET THOSE AT THE STATE FAIR IN DIFFERENT PLACES.

I THINK THAT WOULD HELP PEOPLE MORE THAN ANYTHING.

OKAY. SO THEY CAN DECIDE EARLY ON WHERE THEY WANT TO GO AND NOT JUST HAVE TO WANDER THROUGH TO SEE WHAT'S OUT THERE.

WELL, NOT JUST PHYSICAL MAPS POSTED ONLINE, SO PEOPLE MAKING PLANS TO COME TO TOWN WILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DECIDE BEFOREHAND WHETHER THEY WANT TO TRY TO PARK.

WELL, ALONG WITH THE PARKING OPTIONS THAT GO WITH IT.

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WE NEED TO DESIGNATE A SPECIFIC PLACE BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF CONFUSING VEHICLES COMING IN, BECAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE DO COME IN VIA UBER OR LYFT OR WHATEVER ELSE THEY USE. BUT WHETHER IT'S DESIGNATED OFF HUDGENS, WHETHER THERE'S SOME SIGNAGE SOMEWHERE THAT SAYS, AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CALL IT UBER, YOU CALL IT SOMETHING DIFFERENT.

BUT I THINK WE NEED A SPECIFIC LOCATION ON OUR MAP FOR THE DROP OFF AND PICK UP OF PEOPLE.

IT'S NOT IN THE HEART OF IT, BUT IT HAS SOME ACCESS.

I THINK THAT WOULD BE REALLY IMPORTANT.

AND I'M GOING TO STEAL THE MAYOR'S THUNDER HERE ON ONE COMMENT HE MADE TO ME TODAY, BECAUSE I THINK IT'S A REALLY GOOD IDEA.

AND YOU MAY ALREADY DO THIS.

WE DON'T KNOW, BUT IT'S, I THINK, REALLY IMPORTANT THAT PARKS PUBLIC WORKS, CVB POLICE, FIRE AND WHATEVER THEY'RE DOING AT THE VIN, THAT THERE IS A VERY DISTINCT PROCEDURE IN PLACE THAT EVERYBODY SIGNS OFF KNOWING WHAT EVERYBODY ELSE IS DOING, BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S PART OF THE CONFUSION.

AND IT WAS THE MAYOR'S IDEA.

SO I'M JUST SHARING HIS IDEA.

BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE REALLY IMPORTANT THAT THERE'S AN OFFICIAL DOCUMENT MAYBE TOO STRONG A WORD, BUT THERE NEEDS TO.

I KNOW YOU ALL COMMUNICATE, BUT I THINK IF THERE'S SOMETHING WHERE WE KNOW WHAT EVERYBODY IS OFFICIALLY AGREED TO, THEN WE HAVE A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT'S GOING ON AT PEACE PLAZA. WHAT'S GOING ON? I MEAN, I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THE SORT OF BEHIND THE SCENES DETAILS ABOUT HOW PEOPLE ARE KEPT SAFE.

I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THAT.

I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT THE EVENTS AND THE THINGS AND HOW ALL THAT'S PROGRAMED SO THAT WE ARE ABSOLUTELY CLEAR THAT ALL OF YOU ALL HAVE BEEN COMMUNICATING AND YOU ALL HAVE A CLEAR, SUCCINCT UNDERSTANDING, EACH OF YOU, EACH DEPARTMENT OF WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.

OKAY. NO, THAT'S A GREAT IDEA.

WE WE CURRENTLY GO THROUGH NOT ONLY MEETINGS THAT WE MEET REGULARLY DURING THE SEASON.

WE HAVE THE SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT PROCESS, WHICH IS A REALLY GREAT PROCESS BECAUSE IT'S ACTUALLY A PHYSICAL SIGN OFF FROM EACH DEPARTMENT.

BUT I DEFINITELY THINK THAT I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE IS MORE OPPORTUNITY FOR THAT.

WE WORK VERY CLOSELY WITH TJ MANOR AS WELL, WITH THAT EMERGENCY PLAN THAT HE HAS FOR EACH EVENT.

SO JUST MAKING SURE THAT THAT IS AS THOROUGH AS POSSIBLE AND THAT IT'S SHARED WITH EVERY DEPARTMENT.

WE WILL DEFINITELY INCLUDE THAT IN OUR PLAN FOR THIS YEAR.

THANK YOU, THANK YOU. SOMETHING ELSE THAT THE MAYOR HAD MENTIONED IS THAT BEFORE THESE PLANS ARE SIGNED OFF ON BY EVERYBODY, THE PLAN NEEDS TO COME TO THE COUNCIL FOR US TO REVIEW AND FOR US TO SIGN OFF ON AS WELL, BECAUSE IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE HAVEN'T HAD AN OPPORTUNITY BEFORE.

AND I THINK THERE'S SOME PRETTY GOOD SUGGESTIONS UP HERE THAT ARE IN THE MINDS OF, OF SEVEN PEOPLE.

TO THE TRAFFIC COMMENT A MINUTE AGO IN REGARDING THE SIGNAGE, THE CVB HAS BEEN DOING FESTIVALS A LONG TIME.

THEY KNOW SIGNS AND THEY KNOW HOW TO DO THEM AND HOW TO PLACE THEM.

YOU ALL MIGHT CONVERSE WITH THEM AND GET SOME TIPS ABOUT THAT BECAUSE IT WORKS.

I HEARD COMMENTS FROM VISITORS LAST YEAR AS WELL AS RESIDENTS, THAT THEY WERE STUCK IN TRAFFIC DOWN AT 114 IN FRONT OF TARGETS PARKING LOT TOOK 45 MINUTES TO GET TO DALLAS ROAD.

THAT'S THAT'S NOT A GOOD THING.

BUT THE REASON OF THAT IS BECAUSE THERE WAS SUCH A MASSIVE VOLUME OF PEOPLE.

YEAH, WE CAN'T HANDLE THAT VOLUME OF PEOPLE IN OUR DOWNTOWN.

AND WHILE IT'S WHILE IT'S NICE THROUGH THE CHRISTMAS SEASON WHEN WE HAVE SHOPPERS THAT ARE MOVING FOR SOMETHING LIKE THE CAROL OF LIGHTS OR CHRISTMAS PARADE OR WHATEVER, OUR DOWNTOWN IS ONLY SO BIG, AND WE WERE MORE THAN MAXED OUT LAST YEAR.

IT WAS IT WAS SCARY.

AND SO AS THE ADVERTISING IS CONSIDERED WE DON'T NEED TO ADVERTISE FOR PEOPLE TO COME TO THE CAROL OF LIGHTS UP IN OKLAHOMA OR ARKANSAS OR WHATEVER.

OUR PEOPLE THAT LIVE HERE, OUR CITIZENS, THEY COULDN'T EVEN GET HERE.

AND THEY FEEL LIKE, WELL, GOSH, I CAN'T ENJOY MY DOWNTOWN ANYMORE BECAUSE THERE'S SO MANY PEOPLE HERE.

I THINK WE NEED TO KEEP THAT IN MIND, BECAUSE IF WE LOSE THE SUPPORT OF OUR CITIZENS, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE GOOD FOR ANYTHING ALL YEAR ROUND.

AND I DON'T WANT THAT TO HAPPEN.

AND I KNOW YOU ALL DON'T EITHER.

SO I THINK THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT CAN BE EASILY DONE.

AND I THINK IT WOULD BE VERY EFFECTIVE AND WISE TO DO.

THANK YOU, THANK YOU.

OKAY. I THINK, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER WE CAN DO ELECTRONICALLY ON OUR WEBSITE OR WHATEVER TO PUT A MAP ON IT WHERE PEOPLE CAN PUT IT ON THEIR CELL PHONE AND NOT HAVE TO HAND OUT AS MUCH PAPER WOULD BE GOOD TOO OR EVEN HAVE SOME POSTED DOWNTOWN WHERE THEY COME IN, THEY CAN JUST TAKE A PICTURE OF THEIR CELL PHONE AND THEN THEY HAVE IT ELECTRONICALLY.

OTHERWISE, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A LOT OF PAPER, SO CLEAN UP.

YOU MIGHT THINK ABOUT HOW WE CAN DO THAT MOST ECONOMICALLY.

OKAY. WELL THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

DONE A LOT OF THOUGHT.

THEY'VE BEEN A LOT OF CONVERSATION ALREADY BETWEEN THE COUNCIL AND THE STAFF.

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SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S THE CHANGE IS JUST AN EXPERIMENT.

AND TRY TO HOPE THAT IT IMPROVES IT, AND I THINK BRINGING A LOT OF PEOPLE TO TOWN FOR ONE NIGHT, IT'S INCONVENIENCED A LOT OF PEOPLE ALL RIGHT.

BUT A LOT OF THOSE PEOPLE WILL COME BACK AND SHOP.

SO IF YOU DON'T BRING THEM IN AND GET THEM ORIENTED THAT THIS IS A PLACE TO CELEBRATE CHRISTMAS AND THAT'S REALLY THE PURPOSE OF IT, YOU'RE GOING TO IMPACT THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT COME AND SHOP AND ENJOY THE CHRISTMAS CAPITAL I THINK.

I AGREE, BUT WE STILL ONLY HAVE SO MUCH SPACE AND THAT'S WHAT I GET CONCERNED ABOUT AS WE'VE TALKED.

THAT'S IF THAT'S NOT THE BENEFIT, THEN THERE'S IT'S NOT WORTH DOING, I DON'T THINK, BECAUSE WE COULD DO IT JUST FOR THE CELEBRATION OF OUR OWN PEOPLE, A LOT CHEAPER AND A LOT SMALLER.

BUT I THINK THE IDEAL IS TO GET PEOPLE RECOGNIZING THIS IS WHERE THEY NEED TO SPEND THEIR CHRISTMAS.

AND BOY, HAS IT WORKED.

YES. ALL RIGHT.

ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? WE SPENT 35 MINUTES ON THIS.

WE STILL GOT WE STILL GOT WE STILL HAVE SOME MORE HERE.

WE STILL GOT, I'LL KEEP IT I'LL KEEP IT BRIEF, MAYOR.

I'LL KEEP IT BRIEF. ONE MORE SLIDE.

DRONE SHOWS. OKAY, SO FOR DRONE SHOWS, WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT TWO SHOWS THIS YEAR AND THEY WOULD BE DIRECTLY FOLLOWING THE CAROL OF LIGHTS THREE MONDAYS IN A ROW.

SO AS THE CITY MANAGER ALLUDED TO EARLIER, WE WOULD LIKE TO MOVE THE DRONE SHOWS TO MONDAY NIGHTS.

WE KNOW THAT SATURDAY ALREADY HAS THAT HIGH FOOT TRAFFIC ON MAIN STREET, SO WE WOULD LIKE TO PROGRAM ON MONDAY NIGHTS AND INCREASE THE FOOT TRAFFIC THEN.

THIS IS A BENEFIT TO OUR MERCHANTS.

IT'S A BENEFIT TO OUR DOWNTOWN AS A WHOLE.

SO THAT WOULD BE ON MONDAY, NOVEMBER OR DECEMBER 2ND AND MONDAY, NOVEMBER 9TH.

WE WOULD DO ONE ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF MAIN STREET AND ONE ON THE NORTH SIDE OF MAIN STREET.

A CHANGE THIS YEAR.

IF YOU WERE AT THE NORTH SHOW, YOU NOTICED THAT YOU COULD SEE THE DRONES FROM MR. 01 PIZZA, WHICH IS REALLY WHERE WE STARTED ALL THE WAY DOWN TO PEACE PLAZA.

AND SO IT WOULD BE THE SAME IDEA, WHETHER YOU'RE WATCHING IT ON THE NORTH SIDE OR THE SOUTH SIDE, YOU COULD BE ANYWHERE ON MAIN STREET ENJOYING THAT SHOW.

WE WILL ALSO BE INCORPORATING SPEAKERS UP AND DOWN MAIN STREET THIS YEAR THAT HAVE THE CHOREOGRAPHED MUSIC AND THE OPPORTUNITY FOR ANNOUNCEMENTS, SO THAT IS OUR MAIN CHANGES WITH THE DRONE SHOWS.

WE THINK THAT THEY WERE GREATLY SUCCESSFUL LAST YEAR.

THERE'S NOT MUCH NEED IN OUR EYES FOR CHANGES TO THESE.

WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT AS MANY PEOPLE CAN ENJOY THEM AS POSSIBLE.

SO INSTEAD OF ON THE SOUTH SIDE WHERE YOU REALLY HAD TO BE BETWEEN PEACE PLAZA AND HUDGINS STREET TO SEE IT, YOU CAN BE ANYWHERE ON MAIN STREET THIS YEAR BECAUSE OF THE WAY THAT THE DRONES ARE GOING TO BE ORIENTED.

THAT ONE WAS EASIER.

YEAH, THAT WAS EASY. ALL RIGHT.

AND I DO AGAIN WE WANT TO SAY THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ALLOWING US TO SPEAK TONIGHT.

WE APPRECIATE YOUR FEEDBACK.

WE'LL BE TAKING IT INTO CONSIDERATION AS WE MOVE FORWARD AND MAKING SURE THAT WE DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO MAKE THIS AS SAFE AND AS FUN AS POSSIBLE.

SO THANK YOU. THANKS FOR ALL YOUR WORK.

ALL RIGHT. ANYTHING ELSE? THANK YOU. YOU.

VERY NICE. ALL RIGHT.

NEXT WE HAVE A REPORT AND DIRECTION DISCUSSION ABOUT THE TRANSIT DISTRICT OVERLAY. BRUNO.

OKAY. THANK YOU, YOUR HONOR.

THIS IS A TOPIC THAT THAT I'VE HAD MENTIONED TO ME A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT TIMES.

SO WE JUST WANTED TO COME BACK TO YOU ALL AND REVIEW THE REASONS FOR WHY WE HAVE THE TRANSIT DISTRICT OVERLAY.

IT'S BEEN SUGGESTED THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT THE EXISTING DOCUMENT IS PRETTY LONG.

I THINK IT IS OVER 100 PAGES.

AND THE INTENSITY LEVELS OBVIOUSLY ARE WERE PART OF WHAT YOU ADOPTED, I THINK, IN 2019.

DO I REMEMBER THAT RIGHT, ERICA? YES, SIR. BUT WE JUST WANTED TO DO A LITTLE BIT OF A REVISIT ABOUT THE TD0 AND THEN TO GET ANY DIRECTION THAT YOU ALL HAVE FOR ANY TWEAKS OR CHANGES THAT YOU MIGHT WANT TO IT.

I REALIZE THAT WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE SITTING HERE WITH ONLY 20 MINUTES LEFT, BUT BUT I'D LIKE FOR ERICA TO TO GO THROUGH HER PRESENTATION QUICKLY AND THEN AGAIN RESPOND TO ANY QUESTIONS AND OR FEEDBACK THAT COUNCIL MAY HAVE RELATIVE TO THIS TOPIC.

OKAY. THANK YOU, YOUR HONOR.

ERICA. GOOD EVENING HONORABLE MAYOR, MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL.

THE CITY'S TRANSIT DISTRICT OVERLAY WAS ADOPTED, AS BRUNO MENTIONED ON FEBRUARY 19TH, 2019 FOR 175 ACRES CENTERED AT GRAPEVINE MAIN, AND IT WAS CREATED AS A TOOL FOR UNIQUE DISTRICTS BUILT UPON A PEDESTRIAN EXPERIENCE.

AFTER MULTIPLE WORKSHOPS, TWO WITH THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AND TWO JOINT COUNCIL AND PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION WORKSHOPS THAT WERE BEGINNING IN FEBRUARY OF 2018. IN SUMMARY, THE TRANSIT DISTRICT OVERLAY IS A COMPLETELY VOLUNTARY TOOL WITHIN A PREDEFINED BOUNDARY OF THE 175 ACRES. IT ALLOWS A PROPERTY OWNER OR A DEVELOPER, IF LOCATED WITHIN THAT BOUNDARY, TO REQUEST THE OVERLAY TO UTILIZE THEIR BAIT OR UTILIZE THEIR BASE ZONING DISTRICT REQUIREMENTS TO DEVELOP OR REDEVELOP THEIR PROPERTY.

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THE DISTRICT'S INTENT WAS TO CREATE AN URBAN TOWNSCAPE ADJACENT TO SOUTH MAIN STREET, WITH A FOCUS ON THE PEDESTRIAN EXPERIENCE, AND IT INCLUDES DISTINCTIVE DESIGN DISTRICTS WITH THREE SETS OF STANDARDS, THOSE THAT APPLY TO ALL DEVELOPMENTS, THOSE THAT APPLY TO A SPECIFIC USES THAT ARE PROPOSED, AND THEN ALSO SPECIFIC SIGNAGE. THE INTENT OF ALL OF THESE STANDARDS IS TO DEVELOP AND PRODUCE AN OVERALL HIGHER QUALITY FORM OF DEVELOPMENT, AND ALLOW FOR APPROPRIATE TRANSITION TO ADJACENT HISTORIC DISTRICTS.

AS MENTIONED BY BRUNO, THERE ARE THREE INTENSITY SUBDISTRICTS THAT ARE OUTLINED IN THE OVERLAY, AND THEY ALSO MENTION PREFERRED LAND USES, WHICH ARE IDENTIFIED AS POTENTIALLY APPROPRIATE WITHIN EACH INDIVIDUAL SUB DISTRICT, AND THOSE ARE BASED ON PEDESTRIAN ACTIVITY THAT IS ANTICIPATED TO BE HIGH, MEDIUM, AND LOW.

AND THEN FINALLY, THE OVERLAY IS CONSIDERED AND APPROVED THROUGH THE PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS.

SO IT FOLLOWS THAT SAME CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT PROCESS THAT YOU WERE FAMILIAR WITH WITH MANY LAND USE CHANGES AND REZONE REQUESTS.

SO THE TD0 IS NOT ONLY A BOUNDARY, IT'S THAT REGULATORY TOOL THAT IS USED THAT LAYS ATOP THE BASE ZONING.

SO EACH PROPERTY WITHIN THE CITY HAS A BASE ZONING DISTRICT.

AND IF ELECTED, THE PROPERTY OWNER COMES BEFORE YOU AND ASKS FOR THAT OVERLAY TOOL AND IDENTIFY SPECIFIC PROVISIONS IN ADDITION TO BASE ZONING, OR IT CAN BE WRITTEN AS IT IS WRITTEN IN OUR TRANSIT DISTRICT OVERLAY TO SUPERSEDE THE UNDERLYING BASE DISTRICT REQUIREMENTS.

THE TRANSIT DISTRICT OVERLAYS 175 ACRES ARE DIVIDED INTO THOSE THREE SUBDISTRICTS.

THE TERM INTENSITY IS NOT MEANT TO SPEAK TO DENSITY LIKE RESIDENTIAL DENSITY, OR SO MUCH SQUARE FEET WITHIN A GIVEN AREA.

FOR CERTAIN USES, IT'S MEANT TO SPEAK TO ENERGY, CONCENTRATION OF ACTIVITY AND EXCITEMENT, AND LESS TO DO WITH THAT DENSITY.

AND THEREFORE, THE HIGH INTENSITY ZONE IS REALLY MEANT TO IDENTIFY THOSE AREAS OF HIGH LEVEL OF ACTIVITY FOR PEDESTRIAN FOOT TRAFFIC.

AS AARON MENTIONED BEFORE, WHEN THE EVENT PLANNING AND REALLY FOCUSED ON PUBLIC SPACES AND ACCESS TO PUBLIC SPACES WITHIN THOSE AREAS, THE MEDIUM INTENSITY SUBJECT SUBDISTRICT IS MEANT TO BE MORE OF THE FORM OF THE RETAIL, THE RESTAURANTS, THOSE COMMERCIAL USES, AND COULD INCLUDE HIGH DENSITY EMPLOYERS.

THE LOW INTENSITY DISTRICT IS REALLY MEANT TO BE A TRANSITION ZONE, AND REALLY SUPPOSED TO BE ADJACENT TO OUR EXISTING, ESTABLISHED SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS AND OUR HISTORIC DISTRICTS.

WITHIN THOSE SUBDISTRICTS, OUR PREFERRED LAND USES WITH THE MOST ACTIVITY GENERATING FOOT TRAFFIC WITHIN THE HIGH INTENSITY SUBDISTRICT AND TAPERING DOWN TO THE MEDIUM AND LOW INTENSITY.

AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, THAT LOW INTENSITY IS MEANT TO BE A TRANSITION ZONE.

AND THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.

I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS OR FEEDBACK AS IT RELATES TO THE EXISTING ORDINANCE, ANY DIRECTION YOU MAY HAVE.

ELIMINATE THE OVERLAY ON THE RESIDENTIAL UNITS.

I THINK THEY'RE GOING TO CREATE A PROBLEM FOR US THROUGHOUT.

EVERYBODY'S WANTING TO ADD DENSITY AND CRAM EVERYTHING TOGETHER.

I THINK WE GOT STARTED OFF ON THIS WRONG.

I THINK OUR EXPERTS THAT DESIGNED THE DISTRICT GOT THE WRONG IDEA OF WHAT WE WANTED.

WHEN WE CALLED IT A TRANSIT DISTRICT.

THEY DESIGNED IT AFTER OTHER TRANSIT DISTRICTS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY, WHICH IS HIGH DENSITY.

PEOPLE THAT ARE RIDING THE RAIL AND NOT DRIVING AND LIVING A DIFFERENT LIFESTYLE.

THAT'S NOT WHAT'S HAPPENING IN GRAPEVINE.

IT'S NOT WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.

AND IT'S ALREADY CAUSED US A LOT OF PROBLEMS. I THINK WE NEED TO ELIMINATE IT ON THE RESIDENTIAL AREAS.

IT MIGHT NEED TO BE ELIMINATED IN ALL AREAS.

I COULD SEE IT MIGHT HAVE SOME VALUE TO CREATE SOME SPECIAL DESIGN AND ACTIVITY IN THE COMMERCIAL AREA.

AND SO UNTIL WE EXPERIENCE THAT AND FIND OUT WHETHER IT WORKS OR NOT, I'D SAY PRESERVE IT.

BUT THAT'S MY OPINION.

THERE'S NO PURPOSE OF HAVING AN OVERLAY IN THE RESIDENTIAL.

IT SHOULD BE TREATED JUST LIKE ANY OTHER RESIDENTIAL AREA IN THE CITY BECAUSE IT'S NO DIFFERENT.

THAT'S MY OPINION.

I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHICH RESIDENTIAL ARE YOU? YEAH, I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND INTENSITY HERE.

BUT WHERE ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? CAN YOU GO BACK? SORRY. CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE MAP? THE PICTURE OVERLAY AND LOW INTENSITY.

NOT A LOT. THIS. IT'S THE LOW.

IT'S JUST GOING TO CAUSE YOU PROBLEMS. EVERYBODY'S GOING TO WANT. YOU'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT THOSE LITTLE GREEN AREAS AROUND NASH..

IS A LOW INTENSITY. YEAH OKAY I UNDERSTAND OKAY.

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YEAH, I THINK THE, THE PREDOMINANT AREAS AROUND MAIN STREET AND PERHAPS TO DOOLEY AND EVEN TOWARDS BALL, BUT NOT ALL.

BUT I UNDERSTAND THOSE TWO AREAS WHERE THE RESIDENTIAL ARE, WE'LL HAVE, YOU KNOW, IT'S WORTHWHILE FOR US TO TAKE FOR US TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.

IT'S WORTHWHILE TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT, BUT I THINK WE NEED THE OVERLAY.

YEAH, I THINK THE OVERLAY WORKS FOR THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE CORRIDOR ALONG DALLAS ROAD.

YOU KNOW, NOTWITHSTANDING, WE CAN WE CAN PULL BACK SOME OF THOSE LOW INTENSITY AREAS FOR THE RESIDENTIAL AREA.

BUT I THINK THE REST OF THE AREA KIND OF FITS NICELY WITH WHAT THE DIRECTION WE'RE TRYING TO GO.

RIGHT. I THINK THE OVERLAY CAN SERVE A GOOD PURPOSE.

I THINK THERE ARE. I AGREE WITH WHAT WHAT THE MAYOR SAID.

I THINK THERE ARE SOME PROBLEMS THAT NEED TO BE CORRECTED.

THAT WE HAVE SEEN.

I THE APPLICANT NOW CURRENTLY DOES NOT HAVE TO REZONE THE PROPERTY.

AND I THINK THAT'S A THAT'S A BIG MISTAKE WHENEVER THIS ORDINANCE HAD THAT IN IT AT THE OUTSET.

IT'S NOT. WELL, WE'RE USING IT AS AN ORDINANCE BECAUSE THAT'S ALL YOU ALL HAD, RATHER THAN AS SO MUCH OF SO MUCH AN OVERLAY AS MY UNDERSTANDING.

BUT WHENEVER SOMEONE IS GOING TO DEVELOP A PROPERTY, THEY NEED TO DEVELOP IT AND HAVE THE ZONING.

THAT IS CORRECT. RATHER THAN BUILDING AN OFFICE BUILDING ON LAND THAT'S ZONED SINGLE FAMILY, FOR INSTANCE.

AND THAT'S JUST NOT PROPER, PROPER PLANNING AND IT'S NOT PROPER ZONING.

THERE ARE SOME OTHER LITTLE THE THE DOCUMENT IS A REALLY GOOD REFERENCE TOOL FOR DESIGN OF BUILDINGS.

CRAIG MELODY AND HIS FOLKS DID A GREAT JOB IN THAT.

THERE ARE SOME THINGS IN HERE.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT REALLY GOT MY ATTENTION IS WHEN, IN THE CALCULATION OF OPEN SPACE, THEY COULD USE ROOFTOP GARDENS IN THAT CALCULATION.

WHICH IS WHICH IS PRETTY NUTS.

OUR INTENTION FOR OPEN SPACE IS THAT IT'S ON TERRA FIRMA ON THE GROUND, NOT ON SOME PLACE UP IN THE AIR.

YOU KNOW, 3 OR 4 STORIES THAT YOU CANNOT EVEN SEE.

SO THAT NEEDS TO BE.

THAT NEEDS TO BE FIXED.

I ALSO AM NOT SURE THAT WE WANT TO HAVE THE PROVISION IN THERE THAT WE WILL WAIVE ALL BUILDING FEES AND OTHER FEES THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH EVERYTHING IN THIS DISTRICT. MAYBE WE DO WANT TO DO THAT, BUT I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE WOULD WANT TO REVIEW THAT ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS, RATHER THAN HAVING THAT AS AN UNDERLYING PART OF THE OF THE OVERLAY. WELL, LET ME LET ME GO BACK FOR A MOMENT BECAUSE I WENT BACK AND I WATCHED THE VIDEO OF THE NIGHT THAT WE APPROVED THIS AND THIS MEETING.

ON THE 19TH IN 2019 WHEN WE APPROVED THIS AND THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION, I PERSONALLY DON'T KNOW OF ANY PROBLEMS WE'VE SPECIFICALLY HAD SINCE WE'VE APPROVED THIS THAT HAVE BEEN I MEAN, WE'VE APPROVED SOME CASES, WE'VE DENIED SOME CASES.

SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE SENSE IS THAT IT'S NOT WORKING.

BUT EVEN HAVING SAID THAT, I AGREE RELATIVE TO SOME OF THESE LOW INTENSITY AREAS WHERE THE RESIDENTIAL IS THAT THE PROBLEM I HAVE AND I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING THERE, ONE OF THE REASONS THAT WE ORIGINALLY DID THIS, THERE'S A LOT OF LIGHT INDUSTRIAL ZONING ALONG DALLAS ROAD.

AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE DID, AND WE CONCLUDED WHEN WE CREATED THIS DISTRICT, IS WE WERE NOT GOING TO FORCE THE OWNERS BY THE CITY BEING THE ONE THAT IS THE APPLICANT, TO CHANGE ZONING.

WE WERE GOING TO LET THAT COME FROM THE DEVELOPER, FROM THE OWNER UP.

AND I THINK WE ALL AGREE WITH THAT, BECAUSE YOU CAN IMAGINE THE CONFLICTS WE'D HAVE IF WE TRIED TO IMPLEMENT OUR OWN ZONE CHANGES.

AND I AGREE WITH WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, SHARRON.

AND I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

WHAT I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IS WHEN WE CREATED THIS, WE CREATED IT TO HAVE FLEXIBILITY BECAUSE WE DIDN'T WANT EVERY SINGLE DEVELOPMENT TO HAVE TO HAVE A BIG PARKING LOT IN THE FRONT.

WE WANTED TO BE ABLE TO HAVE SHARED PARKING.

WE DIDN'T. WE WANTED TO BE ABLE TO HAVE SOME FLEXIBILITY IN TERMS OF SETBACKS AND FRONTAGE AND THINGS, SO THAT THIS REALLY CREATED A VERY SPECIAL DISTRICT.

AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE NOT SUGGESTING WE GO AWAY FROM THAT, BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE A MISTAKE IN MY OPINION.

I THINK THE I THINK THIS CAN CAN WORK VERY NICELY, BUT THE BUT THE LAND IN THIS AREA IS NO DIFFERENT FROM GOING OUT AND BUYING A PIECE OF PROPERTY IN ANYWHERE ELSE IN TOWN, AND YOU WANT TO BUILD HOUSES ON IT.

IF IT IS ZONED FOR COMMERCIAL, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GET IT REZONED.

AND JUST BECAUSE THIS IS IN THE TDO DOESN'T EXEMPT THAT FROM THAT REQUIREMENT IN MY OPINION.

SO THAT'S THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING IS THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME EQUITY THERE.

THIS IS A SPECIAL DISTRICT.

YES. BUT IF YOU'RE GOING TO DEVELOP IT, YOU NEED TO HAVE THE ZONING IN PLACE FOR THAT DEVELOPMENT.

THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.

YEAH. BUT WHAT I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IS THAT ZONING HAS A LOT OF RESTRICTIONS TO IT, WHICH WE DIDN'T WANT TO HAVE IN THE TRANSIT DISTRICT BECAUSE WE WERE CREATING.

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WE WERE CREATING SOMETHING THAT WAS GOING TO BE PEDESTRIAN AND HAVE MORE INTENSITY TO IT FOR THE DIFFERENT TYPE USES THAT WE WANT.

SO I THINK YOU AND I WANT THE SAME THING.

I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW IF IT KIND OF CREATES A LOT OF CHALLENGE AND CONFLICT WITH THE ZONING, IF YOU THINK ABOUT SOMEBODY WANTING TO DO A COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL ZONING IT.

IT HAS CERTAIN REQUIREMENTS TO IT THAT MAY NOT FIT WITHIN WHAT WE WANT TO HAVE IN THE OVERLAY DISTRICT.

SO I JUST DON'T WANT TO GET SO HUNG UP ON THE ZONING TITLE.

AND MAYBE THE TRANSIT DISTRICT SHOULD BE ITS OWN ZONING CATEGORY, I DON'T KNOW, BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE STAY TRUE TO THE PHILOSOPHY AND TO THE INTENT OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO WITH THIS DISTRICT AND CREATE SOMETHING REALLY SPECIAL.

IT IS NOT AN AREA THAT SOMEBODY COULD JUST GO ANYWHERE IN THE CITY OF GRAPEVINE AND ASK FOR.

THIS IS A VERY SPECIAL, UNIQUE AREA AND AN OPPORTUNITY TO EXTEND THE HISTORY, THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AND ALL OF THE TRANSIT DISTRICT, WHICH I THINK WE'VE DONE A VERY GOOD JOB OF SO FAR.

THAT'S JUST MY OPINION.

WELL, IT CERTAINLY OUGHT TO.

THE USE OUGHT TO MEET THE ZONING CATEGORY.

IT'S TOO RISKY FOR IT NOT.

AND THERE'S NO ADVANTAGE TO HAVE A RESTAURANT BUILT ON SINGLE FAMILY ZONING.

IT NEEDS TO BE IT NEEDS TO BE PROPERLY ZONED.

I DON'T I THINK SHARON'S RIGHT ON THAT.

THERE'S NO QUESTION ABOUT THAT.

THERE MIGHT BE SOME VALUE IN THE OVERLAY BECAUSE OF THE PARKING AND THE PEDESTRIAN ATTITUDE THAT WE'RE TRYING TO CREATE.

BUT WHAT WE'VE SEEN SO FAR IS THE DEVELOPER WANTS TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THOSE THINGS, AND IT CREATES US.

WE'VE SAID NO A LOT OF TIMES, AND IT CREATES SOME HARDSHIP BECAUSE THEY TAKE IT FOR THE WRONG REASON.

THEY THEY USE IT FOR TO MAKE MORE MONEY AND NOT TO TRY TO COMPLY WITH THE DEVELOPMENT THAT WE'RE TRYING TO CREATE IN THAT DISTRICT.

THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING. LOOK AT THE NUMBERS WE'VE ALREADY TURNED DOWN.

BUT IF WE MAKE THEM TURN THEM DOWN, THAT MEANS THE MAYOR AND THE CITY MANAGER AND EVERYBODY ELSE HAS A DOZEN MEETINGS WITH THESE PEOPLE.

WE HAVE A DOZEN MEETINGS ANYWAY.

WHAT CAN BE DONE? SO Y'ALL HAVEN'T EXPERIENCED AS MUCH AS I HAVE.

I'M NOT SO SURE IT'S NOT WORKING.

PERIOD. YEAH. SO WE'RE GOING TO REMOVE THE TDL.

WE'RE GOING TO GET RID OF IT.

I WON'T SUPPORT THAT.

I MEAN, I'M ASKING IF YOU HAVE TO REZONE SOMETHING THAT SAY LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.

AND I WANTED TO OR SAY A SINGLE FAMILY, I WANTED TO PUT A RESTAURANT THERE IF I REZONE IT, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER.

BUT THEN I'M GOING TO HAVE TO MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THAT ZONING.

THE TDO OVERLAY TAKES THAT AWAY.

YEAH, YEAH, THE OVERLAY TAKES IT GIVES YOU THE FLEXIBILITY THAT GIVES YOU THAT ADVANTAGE.

BUT NO, IT SOUNDS LIKE WE WANT TO REMOVE THE FLEXIBILITY.

THAT'S WHERE I'M CONFUSED.

IT SOUNDS LIKE WE WANT TO REMOVE THE FLEXIBILITY.

I CAN'T FORGET THE FACT WE ALLOWED MULTIFAMILY TO BE BUILT IN SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS IN THE PROBLEM THAT CAUSED, AND WE'RE STILL TRYING TO OUTGROW IT. WHAT IF IT'S GOING TO BE USED FOR A RESTAURANT? WHY SHOULDN'T IT BE ZONED AS A RESTAURANT? WHAT ADVANTAGE IS HE FOR IT TO BE ZONED SINGLE FAMILY? I'M JUST SAYING WE'RE WE'RE STILL GOING TO GIVE HIM THE FLEXIBILITY OF THE TDO.

YEAH. OKAY.

YEAH. MAYOR, WE'RE NOT SUGGESTING I'M ON THE SAME PAGE.

I'M ONLY SAYING IT PEOPLE ARE LOOKING AT IT THE WRONG WAY ON MULTIFAMILY IS CREATES LOT OF PROBLEMS. RIGHT. AND I DON'T THINK IT MIGHT BE ANOTHER WAY TO ADDRESS IT, TO ELIMINATE THOSE PROBLEMS BY PUTTING SOME DENSITY REQUIREMENT, MINIMUM AND MAXIMUM DENSITY REQUIREMENTS AND STUFF AND LEAVE THE OVERLAY IN PLACE.

I'M JUST SAYING IT NEEDS TO BE TWEAKED SOMEHOW BECAUSE THE DEVELOPERS ARE MISREADING WHAT WE INTENDED.

BUT ON THE OTHER AREAS, THE ZONING DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE OVERLAY.

THE OVERLAY ALLOWS THEM THE FLEXIBILITY TO DO WHAT WE WANT THEM TO DO.

BUT WHY? WHY NOT HAVE THE REZONING IN PLACE? SO IF THAT USE CHANGES, THEY CAN'T GO BACK AND BUILD A SINGLE FAMILY THERE.

THEY'RE GOING TO ADD ALL KINDS OF PROBLEMS IN THE FUTURE IF WE DON'T COORDINATE THAT.

THERE, MAYOR, YOU'RE RIGHT.

THERE HAS TO BE A I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

I THINK WE'RE NOT IN AS DISAGREEMENT AS MAYBE WE ALL THINK.

I UNDERSTAND THAT WE DON'T WANT THE UNDERLYING ZONING TO BE IN CONFLICT WITH WHAT PEOPLE ARE WANTING TO DO.

AT THE SAME TIME, THOSE ZONINGS SOME OF THEM ARE MORE RESTRICTIVE, MIGHT NOT BE THE RIGHT WORD, BUT HAVE MORE REQUIREMENTS IN TERMS OF SETBACKS, PARKING AND SO FORTH.

SO MAYBE WE FIGURE OUT A WAY WHERE IF SOMEBODY COMES FORWARD IN THE TDO AND THEY WANT TO DO A PARTICULAR USE, THAT ZONES SOMETHING DIFFERENT, AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE MORE DIALOG ABOUT THIS BECAUSE WE'RE FIVE MINUTES AWAY.

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I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT THEM TO BE ABLE TO PUT A RESTAURANT IN SINGLE FAMILY AS PART OF THE TD OVERLAY, BUT DON'T YOU THINK, ERICA, THERE'S SOME PATH WE CAN FIGURE OUT WHERE WE CAN ACCOMPLISH THAT, I BELIEVE SO I BELIEVE THAT WE COULD COME BACK TO YOU WITH SOME OPTIONS WHERE A TDO REQUEST WOULD MOVE FORWARD IF NEEDED, DEPENDING ON WHAT THE USE IS WITH THE BASE ZONING, WHERE THE BASE ZONING SPOKE TO THE USE, BUT NOT THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, AND THEN ALL OF THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS AND FLEXIBILITY, THEN WE CAN FOLLOW THE TRANSIT DISTRICT OVERLAY.

I THINK THAT COULD WORK MAYOR AND SHARON.

DIFFERENT WAYS, MAYBE OF ADDRESSING IT.

I'M JUST SUGGESTING THERE'S NO ADVANTAGE NOT TO HAVE THE ZONING MATCH THE USE.

AND THAT WAY WE FIGURE OUT A WAY TO DO THAT CHANGES.

THEY HAVE TO COME BACK TO US.

AND I THINK THE OVERLAY IS NECESSARY.

I DO TOO. TRY TO GET THE SPECIAL CREATIVITY WE WANT, AT LEAST IN THE RESIDENTIAL, I MEAN, IN THE RESTAURANT AND THE RETAIL.

BUT I CAN UNDERSTAND WHY IT SHOULDN'T BE ZONED COMPATIBLE WITH THAT USE.

I THINK THEY I THINK SHE CAN FIGURE THAT OUT, MAYOR.

SHE CAN TAKE AWAY SOME OF THE.

SO MAYOR I THINK SO YOU'RE SAYING KEEP THE TDO BUT TIGHTEN UP THE ZONING UNDERLYING THE TDM, RIGHT? YEAH. SO THAT IF THEY WANT TO CHANGE THE USE, THAT'S ANOTHER WAY OF DOING IT.

THAT'S ANOTHER WAY.. ERICA WILL FIGURE THAT OUT, WON'T YOU ERICA? THE BEST WAY. YES, MA'AM.

OKAY, OKAY. SHE'S GOING TO FIGURE THAT OUT MAYOR.

CAN COME BACK. A QUESTION FOR YOU A SECOND.

HE'S BACK THERE. IT'S NOT A PUBLIC HEARING.

OKAY? I'M SORRY.

IT'S NOT A PUBLIC HEARING.

SO, ERICA, I HAVE A QUESTION.

SO WHEN YOU GO BACK TO ONE SLIDE, YOU HAD ALL THESE LIST OF DIFFERENT OPTIONS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT POTENTIALLY PUTTING THERE.

DO WE HAVE A BREAKDOWN OR PERCENTAGE OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT LIKE RESTAURANTS, ENTERTAINMENT, WINERIES, BREWERIES, SO THAT WE KIND OF HAVE A GOOD VARIETY, OR AT LEAST SOMETHING THAT MAKES A LITTLE MORE SENSE.

NO, WE DON'T, NOT CURRENTLY.

IS THAT SOMETHING WE'VE CONSIDERED LOOKING AT SO THAT WE DON'T OVERLOAD ON ONE AND NOT THE OTHER SO WE CAN MAKE.

WE CAN. YES, SIR.

WE CAN ALSO DO THAT THROUGH ZONING CASES.

YEAH WE CAN.

WE'VE GOT ABOUT 4 OR 5 MORE MINUTES.

IF WE NEED TO SET THIS DOWN FOR A PUBLIC HEARING AND GET INPUT FROM THE PUBLIC, WE CAN IN THE FUTURE.

IT'S NOT ADVERTISED OR NOT FOR THAT.

AND WE'RE WE'RE RUNNING OUT OF TIME ANYWAY.

WE'VE CREATED SOME GOOD DISCUSSION FOR THE STAFF TO CONSIDER, I THINK.

YES MAYOR. AND PROBABLY ACCOMPLISH ALL WE CAN TONIGHT AND INCORPORATE THOSE THOUGHTS AND COME UP WITH A SCHEME OR STRATEGY ON HOW WE CAN IMPROVE THIS THAT MORE AND MORE PROBLEMS. YES, SIR. YEAH, I APPRECIATE THAT.

AND AND THE THIRD THING, CAN I JUST TALK FOR A SECOND ABOUT WORKSHOPS IN GENERAL.

HARD TO GET SEVEN PEOPLE ON AN OFF COUNCIL NIGHT.

SO THE THOUGHT IS THAT WITH Y'ALL'S CONSENT, OF COURSE, THAT AS WE GO FORWARD THROUGH THE YEAR, THAT WHEN WE HAVE A LIGHT EXECUTIVE SESSION NIGHT THAT I'D LIKE TO DO WORKSHOPS JUST TO CONTINUE THE DIALOG ON THINGS THAT ARE COOKING, BUT THEY'RE NOT DONE QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THE BUDGET BECAUSE THE BUDGET IS A SEPARATE ANIMAL THAT WE DO SEPARATELY.

BUT CERTAINLY LONGER TERM FINANCIAL PLANNING OR, OR DISCUSSIONS LIKE WE'VE HAD TONIGHT.

YOU ALL HAVE ITEMS THAT WE DON'T GET TO THAT AGAIN, AREN'T ACTIONABLE, BUT ARE WORTH DISCUSSION AND CERTAINLY COULD BE ACTIONABLE IN THE FUTURE AND SO WHAT I WOULD ASK IS, IF YOU ALL LIKED WHAT WE DID TONIGHT, LET US KNOW THAT, BECAUSE I'D LIKE TO KEEP DOING IT THIS WAY. AND THEN SECONDLY IF YOU HAVE 3 TO 5 ITEMS THAT ARE KIND OF ON YOUR BUCKET LIST OF THINGS THAT WE SHOULD DISCUSS, IF YOU COULD SEND THOSE TO JENNIFER, OR I WILL KIND OF COME UP WITH A LIST AND, AND A SCHEDULE, AND WE'LL KEEP DOING THIS AS WE GO THROUGH 2024. SO IF Y'ALL ARE GOOD WITH THAT, THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD PROPOSE, YOUR HONOR.

ALL RIGHT. GIVE CHIPPING AWAY AT IT INSTEAD OF KEEP TRYING TO FIND SOMETHING ON THE CALENDAR THAT WORKS.

YEAH, YEAH, THAT'S A GREAT WAY TO PUT IT.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. VERY GOOD.

DO WE GOT A MINUTE OR TWO? YOU WANT TO DISCUSS FUTURE WORKSHOPS ANYMORE THAN WHAT YOU'VE ALREADY DONE? NO, YOUR HONOR, I'M GOOD IF YOU ARE.

OKAY, WE'LL TAKE JUST A COUPLE MINUTE BREAK, AND THEN WE'LL CALL TO ORDER OUR 7:30 MEETING.

OKAY? COUNCIL WILL COME BACK TO ORDER.

IT'S A LITTLE PAST THE HOUR NOW.

WE'LL GO AHEAD AND CALL THE 7:30 MEETING TO ORDER.

ASK YOU RISE FOR THE INVOCATION TO BE DELIVERED BY JONATHAN COOK, ASSOCIATE PASTOR OF HIS CHURCH, AND THE COLORS POSTED BY TROOP,

[4. Invocation: Doug Page, Pastor at First Baptist Church]

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LET US PRAY. FATHER, WE THANK YOU FOR THIS PAST WEEKEND WHERE WE GOT TO CELEBRATE A RISEN SAVIOR.

FATHER, I PRAY, LORD, FOR OUR MAYOR.

I PRAY, LORD, FOR OUR CITY COUNCIL.

I PRAY, LORD, FOR CLARITY, FOR DISCERNMENT AND FOR THEIR LEADERSHIP IN THIS CITY.

GOD I PRAY, LORD, FOR ALL THE RESIDENTS OF GRAPEVINE GOD I PRAY, LORD FOR PROTECTION.

I PRAY, LORD FOR PEACE IN THIS COMMUNITY.

GOD AND PRAY, LORD, I GOD, I PRAY THAT WE COME TOGETHER AS CITIZENS TO HONOR AND GLORIFY YOU THROUGH THIS CITY.

GOD. AND SO, GOD, WE COME TO YOU TODAY AND JUST BEING GRATEFUL FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY.

AND GOD, WE DO LIFT UP OUR CITY COUNCIL AS THEY MAKE DECISIONS AS THEY LEAD AND FOR MAYOR TATE AS HE LEADS THIS CITY, IT'S IN YOUR NAME WE PRAY.

AMEN. AMEN.

[5. Posting of the Colors and Pledges of Allegiance: Troop 1928G]

COLOR GUARD. ADVANCE.

COLOR GUARD. HALT! COLOR GUARD.

PLEASE CROSS THE COLORS.

COLOR GUARD. PLEASE POST THE COLORS.

PLEASE JOIN ME IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.

I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THEE, TEXAS.

ONE STATE UNDER ONE AND INDIVISIBLE.

COLOR GUARD. REFORM.

THANK YOU.

COLOR GUARD, PLEASE RETURN TO POST.

COLOR GUARD. HALT! COLOR GUARD.

AT EASE. AUDIENCE AT EASE.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

NICELY DONE.

SHE DOESN'T STAND FOR GRAPEVINE.

IT STANDS FOR GIRL.

ALRIGHTY. OUR FIRST ITEM TONIGHT IS CITIZEN

[CITIZEN COMMENTS ]

OKAY. ANY PERSON WHO'S NOT SCHEDULED ON THE AGENDA MAY ADDRESS THE CITY COUNCIL UNDER CITIZEN COMMENTS, OR ON ANY OTHER AGENDA ITEM BY COMPLETING THE CITIZEN APPEARANCE REQUEST WITH THE CITY SECRETARY, A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC MAY ADDRESS THE CITY COUNCIL REGARDING AN ITEM ON THE AGENDA, EITHER BEFORE OR DURING THE COUNCIL'S CONSIDERATION OF THE ITEM.

UPON BEING RECOGNIZED BY THE MAYOR UPON THE CONSENT OF THE COUNCIL, CITIZENS WILL HAVE THREE MINUTES TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE TEXAS OPEN MEETING ACT.

THE CITY COUNCIL IS RESTRICTED IN DISCUSSING OR TAKING ANY ACTION DURING CITIZEN COMMENTS.

WOULD YOU INTRODUCE THE REQUEST? YES, SIR. NANCY COPELAND 4803 QUEENSBURY WAY FROM COLLEYVILLE.

WELL, IT'S THE FIRST TIME I'VE EVER BEEN ON THIS SIDE, SO THIS IS INTERESTING.

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR TATE.

MAYOR PRO TEM DARLENE FREED AND COUNCIL MEMBERS.

YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU.

I HOPE THEY PASSED OUT A BRIEF FINAL REPORT FOR THE GIVING MACHINES THAT WERE ON MAIN STREET IN DECEMBER OF 2023.

WE FINALLY RECEIVED THE FINAL NUMBERS.

AND IN MARCH, THE DFW TEAM WAS ASTONISHED AND GRATEFUL FOR THE GENEROSITY OF THE CITIZENS IN DFW.

THE GRAPEVINE TEAM THEN ACCOUNTED THE NUMBERS FOR THE DAYS THAT THE MACHINES WERE HERE.

AND THE TEXAS CAPITOL, CHRISTMAS CAPITAL OF TEXAS.

AS YOU KNOW, WE ALSO HAVE TO I HAVE TO SAY SOMETHING ABOUT TEXAS.

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WE HAD A MILLION PLUS AMOUNT OF DONATIONS AND DOLLARS.

THEY WERE BLOWN AWAY.

EVERYBODY WAS BLOWN AWAY. BUT WE KNEW IT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN.

IT JUST TOOK US QUITE A FEW YEARS TO GET HERE.

I'D LIKE TO LET YOU KNOW THAT WE HAD 35,000 PLUS VISITORS WHO CAME TO GRAPEVINE AND VISITED THE GRAPEVINE MACHINES.

OF THAT, WE HAD OVER A 200,000 PLUS IN MONETARY DOLLARS.

DONATIONS AND 12,000 PLUS ITEMS WERE PURCHASED.

OUR LOCAL CHARITY, GRACE RECEIVED $63,456.

THEY ACTUALLY ARE GOING TO PURCHASE BECAUSE THAT'S PART OF THE AGREEMENT.

A THOUSAND PLUS COATS.

LUCKILY, THEY CAN DO IT FOR TWO SEASONS.

OTHER CHARITIES ALSO RECEIVED IN TARRANT COUNTY OVER 40,000 EACH.

I HAD TO COME HERE BECAUSE THIS WAS A TEAM EFFORT.

I HAD TO LET YOU KNOW THE CONTRIBUTIONS THAT WERE MADE FROM LOCAL BUSINESSES, YOUR CITY EMPLOYEES, AND OF COURSE THE CITY COUNCIL.

WE HAD SHAUNA KIM, COUNTRY DONUTS, MONICA HOUSEWRIGHT, HOUSE OF MOBILITY, FOX REYNOLDS OF GRAPEVINE, SUNBELT REYNOLDS OF GRAPEVINE, MAJESTIC OUTDOOR LIGHTING.

WE HAD LOWE'S FROM KELLER AND KELSEY COOKIES FROM KELLER, BUT WE ALSO HAD HONORABLE WILLIAM D.

TATE. WE APPRECIATE HIS HELP.

COUNCILMAN DUFF O'DELL AND COUNCIL MEMBER DARLENE FREED, MAYOR PRO TEM, WE HAD A LOT OF HELP FROM ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER JENNIFER HIBBS, PLANNING TECHNICIAN LINDSAY CARY, PLANNER NATASHA GAIL.

PARKS AND REC EVENT MANAGER AARON BURKE, AND PARKS AND REC CHRIS SMITH, AND ALSO THE GRAPEVINE CONVENTION AND VISITORS BUREAU, LEE LYONS AND ASSISTANT POLICE CHIEF TIM HALL.

WE WANT TO KNOW THAT YOU WERE PART OF THE CONTRIBUTION AND PART OF THE TEAM THAT CONTRIBUTED TO MAKE SUCH A SUCCESSFUL LIGHT.

THE WORLD 2023 GIVING MACHINE IN DFW A SUCCESS.

THE GRAPEVINE TEAM, THANK YOU FOR YOUR ADVICE AND TIME THAT YOU BROUGHT JOY TO SO MANY AMONG US IN OUR COMMUNITIES.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ARAM AZADPUR, P.O.

BOX 2644 GRAPEVINE.

WELL. MR. MAYOR, OTHER MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL, VARIOUS CITY STAFFERS PRESENT GREATER AUDIENCE.

ANYONE WHO MIGHT BE WATCHING THIS LIVE STREAMING OR RECORDED GREETING.

MY NAME IS ARAM AZADPUR.

I'M A HOMEOWNER AND RESIDENT OF GRAPEVINE.

I WANT TO MENTION A COUPLE OF POINTS BECAUSE I ALWAYS GO OVER MY THREE MINUTES.

SOME PEOPLE EAT WHEN THEY GET NERVOUS, SOME PEOPLE SMOKE WHEN THEY GET NERVOUS, I TALK WHEN I GET NERVOUS, SO I'M VERY NERVOUS.

WITH THAT SAID LAST TIME I SPOKE ABOUT THE STATE STATUTE THAT WAS PASSED AS SB FOUR, WHICH WAS CODIFIED AS CHAPTER 51 OF THE TEXAS PENAL CODE, THAT'S THE ONE THAT ALLOWS PEACE OFFICERS IN THE STATE OF TEXAS TO APPREHEND PEOPLE THEY SUSPECT OF HAVING ILLEGALLY CROSSED THE BORDER AND PUTTING AN ONUS ON THE CITY JUDGES AS A MAGISTRATE TO PROCESS THOSE PEOPLE.

AT THE MOMENT, THAT STATUTE IS ON HOLD, BUT I WANTED TO MENTION SOME OF MY OWN PERSONAL EXPERIENCES WITH SUCH.

RISE IN ANTI-IMMIGRANT SENTIMENT IN THE STATE OF TEXAS.

LAST TIME I TALKED TOO MUCH, SO I COULDN'T GIVE YOU A COUPLE OF EXAMPLES.

THIS GOES TO THE 2015 2016 TIME FRAME, WHEN THEN PRIVATE CITIZEN TRUMP WAS RUNNING FOR THE NOMINATION OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY AS THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES.

AND THEN OUR SENATOR, SENATOR RAFAEL EDWARD CRUZ WAS RUNNING AGAINST HIM.

I HAD AN ISSUE, AND I CALLED HIS DC OFFICE, CRUZ'S DC OFFICE, AND THE PERSON WHO SPOKE WAS A WAS A MALE.

AND I EXPLAINED MY ISSUE TO HIM.

AND AFTER HIM HEARING MY ACCENT, HE TOLD ME, GO BACK TO MY COUNTRY AND HUNG UP ON ME.

HE DIDN'T KNOW WHO HE'S DEALING WITH.

SO FOR THE NEXT 30 MINUTES, I CALLED THAT NUMBER BACK.

EVERY TIME HE PICKED UP, I HUNG UP ON HIM, AND FINALLY I ASKED HIM, HOW OLD IS HE? HE SAID, HE'S 25 YEARS OLD.

I TOLD HIM, I'VE LIVED IN THE UNITED STATES LEGALLY, MORE THAN HE'S BEEN ALIVE.

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AND THEN I CALLED HIS LOCAL OFFICE AND THEY APOLOGIZED AS WELL.

SO THAT GIVES YOU ONE EXAMPLE OF WHAT PEOPLE LIKE ME HAVE TO DEAL WITH.

WE ARE DEALING WITH THE HIGHEST ECHELONS OF OUR GOVERNMENT AND THIS IS HOW THEY TREAT YOU.

THERE ARE OTHER ISSUES I CAN MENTION.

I WAS HIT IN IRVING ON 183 IN A TRAFFIC AREA.

SOMEBODY HIT ME FROM BEHIND, AND THE FEMALE WENT HERE.

WHEN SHE HEARD MY ACCENT, SHE TOLD ME, WE DON'T DRIVE LIKE THIS HERE.

GO BACK TO YOUR COUNTRY.

I TOLD HER, MA'AM, YOU HIT ME.

SO. AND OF COURSE, I'VE HAD ISSUES HERE IN OUR OWN CITY AS WELL.

THERE WAS A TRUCKER WHO WAS TRYING TO RUN ME OVER WHEN I WAS ON MY BICYCLE, AND I CONFRONTED HIM BECAUSE I HAD HELMETS ON.

I WAS ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE ROAD AND I HAD LIGHTS, AND HE TOLD ME WHERE I GOT MY DRIVER'S LICENSE.

YOU KNOW, I SHOULD GO BACK TO MY COUNTRY.

AND I TOLD HIM, CALL 911, I'LL SHOW YOU MY DRIVER'S LICENSE.

SO THESE SENTIMENTS ARE NOT PRODUCTIVE.

THEY ARE NOT SOLVING THE ISSUE.

THE ISSUE IS A NATIONAL LEGISLATION WHICH WE HAVE NOT ADDRESSED BY PUTTING THESE ONUS ON THE CITY GOVERNMENTS, WE ARE BASICALLY A NOT SOLVING ANYTHING.

IT'S JUST MAKING THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE AUTHORITIES AND THE CITIZENS MORE MURKY THAN IT REALLY NEEDS TO BE.

AND I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY, AND I BID EVERYONE A GOOD EVENING.

THANK YOU.

BECKY SAINT JOHN, 2702 WEST KIMBALL AVENUE IN GRAPEVINE.

GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL.

AND I JUST WANT TO REITERATE WHAT NANCY COPELAND SAID.

GRAPEVINE WAS INCREDIBLY GENEROUS WITH THE GIVING MACHINE, AND I KNOW GRACE WAS ONE OF THE RECIPIENTS OF THOSE PROCEEDS.

AND JUST INCREDIBLE THAT THIS COMMUNITY WAS SO GENEROUS AT CHRISTMAS, BUT ALSO NOT SURPRISING.

THE REASON THAT I'M SPEAKING HERE THIS EVENING IS ON THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE CONCERNING STANDING IN ROADWAYS AND MEDIANS.

AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT AS THE PARENT OF A NEW DRIVER, I WHOLEHEARTEDLY SUPPORT NOT HAVING PEOPLE STANDING IN MEDIANS.

I THINK THIS ISSUE IS PARTICULARLY PREVALENT OVER AT GRAPEVINE HIGH SCHOOL.

IN THE MORNINGS, IT'S LIKE THE KIDS ARE PLAYING FROGGER OVER THERE.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, KEEPING PEOPLE OUT OF THOSE MEDIANS WHERE YOU'RE SMACK DAB IN THE MIDDLE OF TRAFFIC IS, IS ESSENTIAL.

I AM A LITTLE BIT CONCERNED ABOUT SOME OF THE POTENTIAL UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES OF THE ORDINANCE AS PROPOSED.

PARTICULARLY PERTAINING TO THE PART ABOUT CURBED AND UNCURBED ROADWAYS, FOR EXAMPLE, MY NEIGHBORHOOD DOES NOT HAVE CURBS.

THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF, OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT HAS NEITHER CURBS NOR SIDEWALKS.

AND THIS SEEMS TO PROHIBIT THE ABILITY TO, YOU KNOW, STAND OUT IN FRONT OF MY NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE AND HAVE A CONVERSATION.

ALSO, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW HOW THIS WILL IMPACT THE FESTIVALS, THE PARADES SUCH AS THE HOMECOMING PARADE, THE CHRISTMAS PARADE, AND ALL OF THE DIFFERENT ACTIVITIES WHERE WE TYPICALLY SEE PEOPLE WALKING ON A NUMBER OF OUR STREETS HERE IN TOWN THAT DO NOT HAVE CURBS AND DO NOT HAVE SIDEWALKS.

I'M PARTICULARLY THINKING OF WALL STREET.

I KNOW WE HAVE A NUMBER OF SENIOR CITIZENS THAT LIVE RIGHT HERE IN DOWNTOWN, AND THEY DON'T DRIVE SO MUCH ANYMORE, BUT THEY DEFINITELY WALK, WHICH IS WONDERFUL. I'M GLAD THAT THEY'RE ABLE TO EXERCISE THEIR THEIR MOBILITY THERE.

BUT AGAIN, I'M A LITTLE WORRIED ABOUT THIS ORDINANCE, AND I HOPE THAT WE'RE NOT SETTING OURSELVES UP FOR EITHER UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES OR SELECTIVE ENFORCEMENT.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

ANYONE ELSE. ALL RIGHT, THAT CONCLUDES OUR CITIZEN COMMENTS THEN.

WE HAVE SOME PRESENTATIONS TO MAKE AT THIS TIME.

[7. Mayor Tate to present a proclamation recognizing the month of April as Child Abuse Prevention Month.]

CHILDREN ARE OUR FUTURE AND OUR GREATEST RESOURCE.

EVERY CHILD DESERVES A MATURING FAMILY AND SAFE ENVIRONMENT TO GROW INTO A HEALTHY, PRODUCTIVE MEMBER OF THE COMMUNITY.

CHILD ABUSE IS ONE OF OUR NATION'S MOST SERIOUS PUBLIC HEALTH PROBLEMS THAT THREATENS THE SAFETY OF OUR COMMUNITY.

CHILD ABUSE AND TARRANT COUNTY RATES 5332 CHILDREN IN 2023, ALLIANCE FOR CHILDREN PROVIDED TRAUMA AND FORCED SERVICES TO 2325 CHILDREN LAST YEAR.

FINDING SOLUTIONS TO PREVENT CHILD ABUSE IS A COMMUNITY RESPONSIBILITY AND DEPENDS ON THE INVOLVEMENT OF ALL CITIZENS.

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SO AS YOUR MAYOR, I'M PROUD TO DESCRIBE TO PROCLAIM APRIL 2024 AS CHILD ABUSE PREVENTION IN THE CITY OF GRAPEVINE AND URGE OUR CITIZENS TO WORK TOGETHER TO HELP REDUCE CHILD ABUSE.

HERE TONIGHT IS VIRGINIA DAVISON WITH THE ALLIANCE FOR CHILDREN AND CAPTAIN MARK STIMAC.

OKAY. HELLO, MY NAME IS VIRGINIA DAVISON, AND LIKE OUR MAYOR SAID I WORK FOR ALLIANCE FOR CHILDREN.

I AM AN MDT COORDINATOR THERE.

SO THAT MEANS THAT I WORK ON SOME OF OUR CASES, AND I READ THEM AS THEY COME IN AND GET THEM CONNECTED WITH OUR SERVICES.

I HAVE HERE WITH ME, CAPTAIN SHIMEK.

I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR ACKNOWLEDGING APRIL AS CHILD ABUSE PREVENTION MONTH AND GRAPEVINE, AND WE ARE GRATEFUL TO PARTNER WITH YOU AND YOUR POLICE DEPARTMENT AND OUR TEAMED RESPONSE TO CHILD ABUSE INVESTIGATIONS.

EVER OR EVERY SERVICE SUCH AS CASE COORDINATION, FORENSIC INTERVIEWS, CASE MANAGEMENT, AND TRAUMA FOCUSED MENTAL HEALTH IS PROVIDED AT NO COST TO THE CHILDREN AND FAMILIES IN OUR AREA.

THE SUPPORT WE RECEIVE FROM OUR PARTNER CITIES, OUR LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT'S, AND TARRANT COUNTY AS A WHOLE IS CRITICAL TO OUR AGENCY AND MAKES THOSE SERVICES POSSIBLE FOR OUR FAMILIES. AND WE ARE HONORED TO HAVE YOUR SUPPORT AND YOUR PARTNERSHIP WITH US IN OUR MISSION.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

NEXT, I HAVE A PROCLAMATION TO RECOGNIZE APRIL 14TH THROUGH 20TH AS NATIONAL PUBLIC SAFETY TELECOMMUNICATORS WEEK.

[8. Mayor Tate to present a proclamation recognizing April 14-20 as National Public Safety Telecommunicators Week. ]

WHEN AN EMERGENCY OCCURS, THE PROMPT RESPONSE OF POLICE OFFICERS, FIREFIGHTERS AND PARAMEDICS IS CRITICAL TO THE PROTECTION OF LIFE AND PRESERVATION OF PROPERTY.

THE SAFETY OF OUR POLICE OFFICERS, FIREFIGHTERS AND PARAMEDICS IS DEPENDENT UPON THE QUALITY AND ACCURACY OF INFORMATION OBTAINED FROM CITIZENS WHO CALL THE GRAPEVINE EMERGENCY COMMUNICATIONS CENTER.

PUBLIC SAFETY TELECOMMUNICATORS ARE THE FIRST AND MOST CRITICAL CONTACT OUR CITIZENS HAVE WITH EMERGENCY SERVICES, AND ENSURE FAILED RESPONDERS SAFETY IN THE COURSE OF OUR DUTIES.

PUBLIC SAFETY TELECOMMUNICATORS ARE A VITAL LINK FOR OUR POLICE OFFICERS FIREFIGHTERS BY MONITORING THEIR ACTIVITIES BY RADIO, PROVIDING THEM INFORMATION AND ENSURING THEIR SAFETY.

PUBLIC SAFETY TELECOMMUNICATORS IN GRAPEVINE HAD CONTRIBUTED SUBSTANTIALLY TO THE APPREHENSION OF CRIMINALS, THE SUPPRESSION OF FIRES AND THE TREATMENT OF PATIENTS.

EVERY TELECOMMUNICATOR IS EXHIBITED COMPASSION, UNDERSTANDING AND PROFESSIONALISM DURING THE PERFORMANCE OF THEIR JOB THIS PAST YEAR.

SO IT'S OUR PLEASURE TO DECLARE APRIL 14TH TO APRIL THE 20TH AS NATIONAL PUBLIC SAFETY TELECOMMUNICATORS WEEK, AND HONOR THE MEN AND WOMEN WHO DILIGENTLY AND PROFESSIONALLY KEEP OUR CITY AND OUR CITIZENS SAFE.

HERE TONIGHT, CAPTAIN REBECCA GRAVES AND TELECOMMUNICATORS STAFF.

ARE YOU ALONE? YEAH.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT, CAPTAIN REBECCA GRAVES.

THANK YOU, MAYOR.

THANK YOU, COUNCIL, FOR HONORING OUR HEADSET HEROES FOR THAT WEEK.

AND WE APPRECIATE THE PROCLAMATION WE HAVE HERE WITH US TONIGHT, OUR COMMUNICATIONS CENTER MANAGER, MARLO GREENFIELD, WHO CAME TO US IN THE LAST YEAR AND IS DOING AN AMAZING JOB. AND WE HAVE CHRISTY BLUE, ONE OF OUR TELECOMMUNICATORS, AND ALEX TACKETT.

YOU GOT YOUR NAME RIGHT THERE.

AND WE HAVE OUR NEWEST COMMUNICATIONS SUPERVISOR, ELVA NATIVIDAD, AND WE ARE ALL VERY HONORED TO BE HERE.

AND THANK YOU AGAIN FOR HONORING US TONIGHT.

THANK YOU, THANK YOU.

THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH.

[9. Barker Rinker Seacat Architecture to present The REC of Grapevine Performance Utilization analysis.]

IN REGARDS TO THE WRECK OF GRAPEVINE PERFORMANCE UTILIZATION ANALYSIS THAT THEY'VE MADE, CHRIS SMITH FROM THE DEPARTMENT WILL MAKE THE INTRODUCTION.

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IT'S BEEN A PROCESS OVER THE PAST OF THE PAST YEAR WHERE THE PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT STAFF HAVE BEEN WORKING VERY CLOSELY WITH THE ARCHITECT FIRM OF THE WRECK, WHICH IS BARKER, RINKER SEACAT TO ANALYZE ALL OPERATIONS OF THE WRECK, MEMBERSHIP PROGRAMING, RENTALS, AQUATICS, ACTIVE ADULTS, ALL OF IT.

AND SO WE HAVE HERE TONIGHT, JENNA KATSAROS AND MICK MASSEY FROM BRS TO PROVIDE INFORMATION GAINED FROM THE ANALYSIS, AS WELL AS TO PROVIDE INFORMATION REGARDING THE NEXT STEPS IN THIS PROCESS.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU CHRIS.

THANK YOU, MAYOR, MEMBERS OF CITY COUNCIL FOR HAVING US TONIGHT.

WE'RE EXCITED TO BE HERE.

TO INTRODUCE THE BRS TEAM.

ZACH BUSICK WAS THE PRINCIPAL ON THIS PROJECT.

SOME OF YOU MAY REMEMBER, ZACH WAS THE PROJECT MANAGER OF THE DESIGN OF THE REC OF GRAPEVINE.

I'M JENNA KATSAROS, PROJECT MANAGER FOR THE PERFORMANCE ANALYSIS AND FACILITY PERFORMANCE ADVISOR AT BRS.

AND I'M MICK MASSEY.

I'M A GRAPEVINE RESIDENT.

I LIVE AT 617 EAST WALL STREET AND OUR BUSINESS IS LOCATED ON 129 SOUTH MAIN STREET.

AND THE REASON THAT IS, IS BECAUSE BRS HAS BEEN A PART OF THE UPBRINGING OF THE REC, THE TRANSFORMATION OF THE REC OF GRAPEVINE, WHEN AND WHEN IT WENT FROM 60 OR 40 8000FT² TO 108,000FT² THAT IT IS TODAY.

WE'RE VERY PROUD TO BE IN GRAPEVINE, TEXAS.

WE'RE BASED IN DENVER, AND THIS IS OUR ONLY OTHER OFFICE OUTSIDE OF DENVER.

IT'S IN GRAPEVINE, AND WE WORK NATIONWIDE.

JENNA AND I ARE BOTH PARK AND RECREATION PROFESSIONALS WORKING FOR AN ARCHITECTURE TEAM.

AND THAT'S BECAUSE WE ARE, THE WAY WE BELIEVE WE APPROACH ARCHITECTURE IS WE BELIEVE COMMUNITIES CAN LIVE BETTER.

AND SO WE SPECIALIZE IN RECREATION ARCHITECTURE.

WE DON'T DESIGN SCHOOLS, WE DON'T DESIGN BUSINESSES, WE DESIGN RECREATION ARCHITECTURE.

AND SO WE'RE HAPPY TO BE HERE TONIGHT TO SHARE WITH YOU WHAT WE HAVE FOUND IN OUR PERFORMANCE ANALYSIS AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

SO WE HAD GUIDANCE THROUGHOUT THE PERFORMANCE ANALYSIS FROM THE PARKS AND RECREATION ADVISORY BOARD, SENIOR ADVISORY BOARD, CITY COUNCIL, FACILITIES COMMITTEE, OTHER STAKEHOLDERS, AND OF COURSE THE REC OF GRAPEVINE STAFF TEAM.

SO THE PERFORMANCE AND UTILIZATION ANALYSIS IS IN TWO PHASES.

SO TONIGHT WE'RE REPORTING ON PHASE ONE WHICH THIS WAS REALLY GATHERING ALL OF THE DATA LOOKING AT PUBLIC INPUT.

GET TALKING WITH STAFF LEARNING ABOUT WHAT ARE THE RECREATION PROGRAMING LIMITATIONS, WHAT ARE THE POTENTIAL PINCH POINTS IN THE REC OF GRAPEVINE AND WHAT ARE THE WANTS AND NEEDS? IT'S BEEN ALMOST TEN YEARS SINCE THE BUILDING OPENED.

SO WHAT'S CHANGED WITH THE CITY OF GRAPEVINE AND WHAT'S CHANGED WITH RECREATION CENTERS? PHASE TWO.

THAT'S WHEN WE'LL GET INTO TESTING SITE CONCEPTS.

THIS WILL LOOK AT THE ARCHITECTURAL SOLUTIONS THAT MIGHT BE POSSIBLE, GIVEN THE SITE AND THE BUILDING ITSELF, AND MAXIMIZING THE EXISTING SQUARE FOOTAGE, AND WHAT'S POSSIBLE FOR AN EXPANSION.

WE KICK THIS OFF.

AS CHRIS MENTIONED, WE'VE BEEN STUDYING THIS INTENTLY FOR THE LAST YEAR.

AND SO HERE WE ARE TONIGHT SHARING THE FINDINGS WITH YOU TO GET YOUR INPUT ON IT.

THE PURPOSE OF PHASE ONE WAS TO FIND OUT IS THE WRECK OF GRAPEVINE STILL PROVIDING A PLACE FOR RECREATION, EDUCATION AND COMMUNITY? ALSO, TO SEE WHAT'S CHANGED OVER THE LAST TEN YEARS WITH THE CITY OF GRAPEVINE.

WE WANTED TO LOOK AT THE BUILDING INSIDE AND OUT TO SEE IF THE GRAPEVINE BRAND IS BEING REPRESENTED.

AND LOOK AT THE ENTIRE BUILDING AND MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS ON POSSIBLE RENOVATION OR EXPANSION OPPORTUNITIES TO ENHANCE THE USER EXPERIENCE. AS MICK SAID, WE WORK IN RECREATION CENTERS.

THAT'S ALL WE DO.

SO WHAT ARE THE NATIONAL TRENDS NOW AND GIVE FEEDBACK ON HOW THOSE MIGHT BE INCORPORATED TO YOUR MEMBERS.

AND FINALLY, ANALYZED REVENUE.

MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS ON HOW TO IMPROVE AND ENHANCE FOR AGAIN FOR YOUR RESIDENTS.

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SO BEFORE THE DIRT WAS MOVED.

EVEN BEFORE THAT, THERE WAS THE PLANNING STAGE.

SO IN 2012, THERE WAS PUBLIC INPUT FEASIBILITY STUDY.

A BUSINESS PLAN WAS COMPLETED FOR THE REC OF GRAPEVINE WITH THE INTENT TO TAKE THE EXISTING COMMUNITY ACTIVITY CENTER, WHICH HAD ABOUT 8000 MEMBERS, AND TO MAKE IT MULTIGENERATIONAL.

SO THE STUDY WAS COMPLETE.

2014 KICKED OFF THE CONSTRUCTION AND THEN THE REC OF GRAPEVINE OPENED IN 2015.

THEN WE LOOK AT AHEAD.

WHERE IS THE REC OF GRAPEVINE NOW? IT'S AN INCREDIBLY HIGH PERFORMING FACILITY.

IT ACHIEVING ITS GOALS OF BEING MULTIGENERATIONAL.

ITS AWARD WINNING FACILITY WITH AWARD WINNING STAFF IN AN AWARD WINNING DEPARTMENT.

AND IT'S ALSO DEDICATED TO CONTINUOUS IMPROVEMENT.

I MEAN, THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE.

ARE WE STILL MEETING THE NEEDS OF OUR RESIDENTS? AND IT REALLY IS EMULATED AND TOURED BY RECREATION PROFESSIONALS FROM AROUND THE COUNTRY.

MICK HAS TOURS IN THERE PROBABLY ONCE A MONTH, AND PEOPLE ARE ASTOUNDED AT HOW WELL THE FACILITY IS PERFORMING.

SO IN 2012, THE BUSINESS PLAN PROJECTED YOU WOULD HAVE AROUND 12,000 MEMBERS.

YOUR POPULATION AT THAT TIME WAS 48,000.

NOW, THIS PROJECTION WAS ACTUALLY A LITTLE BIT HIGH, BECAUSE WE KNOW FROM RESEARCH THAT IN A HEALTHY MARKET, 20% OF THE POPULATION WILL HOLD A MEMBERSHIP TO A COMMUNITY RECREATION CENTER.

SO THAT WAS THE PROJECTION.

THE REALITY IS YOU HAVE 21,000 MEMBERS.

YOUR CITY HAS GROWN A BIT TO 52,000.

AND YOU HAVE 40% OF THE POPULATION WHO ARE MEMBERS OF THE WRECK OF GRAPEVINE.

SO THE PARTICIPATION IS THERE IN THE NUMBERS.

AND OVERALL, WE HEARD THE GOAL OF THE WRECK OF GRAPEVINE WAS TO REACH OUR RESIDENTS, TO SERVE RESIDENTS.

SO WE DOVE INTO WHO ARE THESE? WHO ARE THESE MEMBERS? AND YOU CAN SEE 93% OF YOUR 40% POPULATION ARE RESIDENTS OF THE CITY OF GRAPEVINE.

NOW WHEN WE DO THIS NATIONALLY, THE AVERAGE TREND IS FOR NONRESIDENTS TO MAKE UP 20% TO 30% OF ALL MEMBERSHIPS.

YOU HAVE ABOUT 7% AND ANECDOTALLY, WHEN WE'VE TALKED WITH STAFF AND SOME OF THE MEMBERS OF THE REC, MANY OF THESE NONRESIDENTS ARE SENIORS AND THEY MAYBE GREW UP, YOU KNOW, LIVED IN GRAPEVINE THEIR WHOLE LIFE.

AND NOW THAT THEY'RE ELDERLY, THEIR FAMILIES HAVE MOVED THEM OUTSIDE OF THE CITY, BUT THEY STILL COME TO THE REC OF GRAPEVINE BECAUSE THEY FEEL THAT'S THEIR HOME, THAT'S THEIR COMMUNITY. WE ALSO WANTED TO LOOK AT WHAT HAD CHANGED IN THE DEMOGRAPHICS.

SO THE MAP ON THE RIGHT.

THIS IS LOOKING AT ENVIRONMENTAL SYSTEMS RESEARCH INSTITUTE OR ESRI MAPPING.

AND WE WANTED TO SEE ARE WE REACHING EVERYONE WITH THE FEES OF GRAPEVINE WHAT'S HIGHLIGHTED? THERE ARE HOUSEHOLDS THAT ARE BELOW THE BUDGETED INDEX FOR RECREATIONAL SPENDING.

SO THE AVERAGE IS 100.

SO IF YOU'RE BELOW 100 WHAT DOES THAT MEAN.

WELL YOU YOU HAVE TO MAKE SOME CHOICES ABOUT HOW YOU SPEND YOUR RECREATIONAL DOLLARS.

SO WE WE FOUND ALL THOSE HOUSEHOLDS.

IT'S ABOUT 16,000 PEOPLE MAPPED IT.

AND THEN GOT THIS MEMBERSHIP DENSITY MAP FROM THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.

SO WHERE ARE THE MEMBERS? WHERE DO THEY LIVE? AND IF YOU OVERLAY THOSE, YOU CAN SEE WE'RE WE'RE REACHING EVERYONE.

YOUR AFFORDABLE FEES ALLOW ACCESS FOR THE GRAPEVINE FOR ALL GRAPEVINE RESIDENTS.

FROM THE 2023 MEMBERSHIP SURVEY.

HOW OFTEN DO YOU VISIT THE REC? 3 TO 5 TIMES A WEEK.

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NORMALLY, I WOULD TELL SOMEONE, IF YOU HAVE AN ANNUAL MEMBERSHIP, YOU CAN EXPECT SOMEONE TO BE IN MAYBE TWO TIMES A WEEK.

3 TO 5 TIMES A WEEK.

AND IN TALKING WITH STAFF, THEY SAY, OH NO, WE HAVE PEOPLE HERE THAT ARE HERE SEVEN DAYS A WEEK.

SO YOU CAN SEE THEY'RE COMING FREQUENTLY.

IN FACT, IN 2022 SCANNING.

SO EVERY TIME YOU GO INTO THE REC AND YOU HAVE TO SCAN YOUR PASS OVER 1 MILLION SCANS, IT'S 3000 PEOPLE A DAY.

NOW WHO? THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE ANYONE USING THE INDOOR PLAYGROUND BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE TO SCAN TO GET IN.

PARTY. ATTENDING A PARTY OR AN EVENT.

SO THOSE AREN'T CAPTURED IN THAT 1 MILLION.

AND AGAIN, BECAUSE WE DO THIS NATIONWIDE, WE TYPICALLY SEE 1100 TO 1200 DAILY PARTICIPANTS IN YOUR AVERAGE COMMUNITY RECREATION CENTER.

THERE'S ONLY ONE OTHER FACILITY THAT WE TRACK IN OUR BENCHMARKING, WHICH INCLUDES ABOUT 20 PLUS COMMUNITY RECREATION CENTERS THAT HAS A HIGHER ATTENDANCE THAN THE REC OF GRAPEVINE.

AND THAT'S IN PROVO, UTAH.

3000 PEOPLE PER DAY.

I'VE HAD PEOPLE IN GRAND JUNCTION, COLORADO THAT SAID, WE NEED TO TALK WITH RECREATION STAFF THERE BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO BE WHEN WE OPEN OUR NEW FACILITY.

AND STAFF ALSO CAPTURES DATA.

THEY CONDUCT HOURLY STAFF COUNTS SO YOU CAN SEE THE FITNESS ROOM IS VERY HEAVILY UTILIZED.

SO LOOKING AT POTENTIAL PINCH POINTS, THE FITNESS AREA WAS CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT STOOD OUT, THAT STOOD OUT.

YOU HAVE PEOPLE COMING IN THERE FREQUENTLY.

YOU HAVE THREE PEOPLE, 3000 PEOPLE A DAY COMING IN THERE, ALL WANTING ACCESS TO THAT FITNESS ROOM.

THIS IS ONE OF MY FAVORITE WORD CLOUDS I'VE EVER SEEN.

SO A WORD CLOUD IS A VISUAL REPRESENTATION OF ALL THE COMMENTS FROM THE SURVEY AND AND THE WORDS THAT WERE SAID THE MOST ARE THE LARGEST.

SO WHILE OVERALL PEOPLE ARE EXTREMELY HAPPY WITH THE REC, THEY JUST WANT MORE.

THAT IS DEFINITELY THE THEME.

AND THEN WHEN YOU GET TO THE FITNESS AREA, IN PARTICULAR, MORE MACHINES, MORE WEIGHTS.

MORE TRAINING.

SO I SAID TO MICK, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A GOOD PROBLEM TO HAVE, THAT YOU ARE SO WELL LOVED THAT PEOPLE JUST WANT MORE OF YOU. SO IN OUR OBSERVATIONS.

WE FIND DEMAND HAS EXCEEDED SUPPLY IN SOME AREAS OF THE BUILDING.

AND THEIR PARTICIPATION LEVELS, COUPLED WITH THE REQUESTS THEY'VE LED TO THESE PINCH POINTS OR THESE PRESSURE POINTS IN THE BUILDING.

SO WHAT ARE SOME POTENTIAL SOLUTIONS? SO WHAT WE DID WAS WE WENT ROOM BY ROOM AND WE COLLECTED DATA AND SYNTHESIZED THAT INTO RECOMMENDATIONS.

THERE'S A LOT OF DATA HERE.

WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET INTO THAT TONIGHT.

BUT WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS TELL YOU THAT WE WERE SEARCHING FOR GAPS IN SERVICE, THOSE PRESSURE POINTS, SO THAT WE COULD BRING THEM TO YOU TONIGHT AND SAY, HERE'S WHAT WE'RE FINDING. LET'S GO STUDY IN PHASE TWO, THE ARCHITECTURAL SOLUTIONS.

SO WHAT WERE THOSE PINCH POINTS? SO UP IN THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING WHEN YOU WALK IN THERE ARE MULTI-PURPOSE CLASSROOMS THAT SERVE THE SENIOR SIDE OF THE BUILDING AS WELL AS THE MAIN REC.

AND THOSE ARE CLASSROOMS THAT ARE WET CLASSROOMS AND DRY CLASSROOMS FOR ARTS AND CRAFTS.

BUT THEN THERE'S CLUB ALL ACCESS, AND YOU ALL KNOW ABOUT THIS.

THIS IS A GRAPEVINE SUCCESS STORY.

IN 2018, THE PARKS AND RECREATION OPEN SPACE MASTER PLAN CALLED FOR ADDING A NEW SERVICE TO GRAPEVINE FOR THOSE IN SPECIAL NEED.

THOSE THAT ESPECIALLY THE KIDS THAT GRADUATED FROM THE SCHOOL DISTRICT THAT DIDN'T HAVE A PLACE TO GO.

AND SO THIS PROGRAM IN ITS INFANCY BLEW UP AND HAS JUST DONE MAGNIFICENT THINGS FOR GRAPEVINE RESIDENTS.

BUT IT'S PUTTING A LOT OF PRESSURE ON THOSE MULTI-PURPOSE CLASSROOMS. AND THE SENIORS ARE SOMETIMES DISPLACED BECAUSE THERE'S SO MUCH NEED IN THAT PARTICULAR PRODUCT.

NEXT, YOU HAVE THE EVENT HALL, STUART HALL, WITH ITS DIVIDER WALLS.

SENIORS SOMETIMES CLUB ALL ACCESS NEEDS TO GO IN THERE AS WELL.

SO YOU CAN SEE THOSE ARE A PRESSURE POINT LOCATION AND THEN THE SAUNA.

IT WASN'T PART OF THE ORIGINAL PROGRAM TO PUT INTO THE BUILDING AT THE TIME, BUT BEING GRAPEVINE AND RESPONDING TO THE RESIDENT'S REQUESTS

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AND IT'S FOR 3000 PEOPLE A DAY.

THAT'S A VERY SMALL SPACE.

SO YOU CAN IMAGINE THE PRESSURE THAT'S ON THAT AS WELL.

AND THEN YOU HAVE ONE ELEVATOR FOR THIS, SUCH A GREAT POPULATION COMING IN HERE.

AND IF THAT BECOMES AN ISSUE, SAY THE ELEVATOR GOES DOWN AND YOU'VE GOT SENIORS DOING THINGS UPSTAIRS, THEY MIGHT NEED ASSISTANCE COMING BACK DOWN.

STAFF OFFICES FOR THERAPEUTIC RECREATION.

THOSE ARE THE FOLKS THAT ARE PROVIDING CLUB ALL ACCESS.

PLUS YOUR ATHLETIC STAFF IS BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, OFFICE IN A STORAGE ROOM.

SO THOSE ARE SOME OF THE PINCH POINTS ON THE FIRST FLOOR.

ON THE SECOND FLOOR, NO SURPRISE.

FITNESS AND WEIGHTS.

TO PUT THIS IN PERSPECTIVE, YOU HAVE ABOUT 8000FT² OF FITNESS AND WEIGHTS.

POTENTIALLY WE COULD SEE ADDING 4000FT².

HOW WE DO THAT. THAT'S UNKNOWN YET UNTIL WE GET INTO PHASE.

PHASE TWO.

STUDIO A, YOU'VE SEEN A LOT OF SENIORS IN THERE DOING CHAIR EXERCISES.

THIS IS ALSO FOR GROUP FITNESS THAT IS IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO FITNESS AND WEIGHTS AND IS IN DEMAND.

A LOT PEOPLE WANT TO GO IN THERE AND STRETCH BEFORE AND AFTER THEY GET OFF THE WEIGHTS.

SO STUDIO B FILLS IN THAT IT'S A SOLUTION TO WHERE PEOPLE CAN DRIFT INTO BECAUSE IT'S NOT PROGRAMED AS MUCH, BUT THE DEMAND IS THERE TO KEEP THAT THAT ROOM PROGRAMED QUITE A BIT.

SO WE TRY TO PUT THIS INTO A CONCISE WAY.

I'M NOT GOING TO READ ALL THESE TO YOU, BUT IMAGINE NEW FITNESS SPACES, FUNCTIONAL FITNESS AS WELL, POSSIBLY ARTIFICIAL TURF WHICH WILL HELP WITH FUNCTIONAL FITNESS SPACES ADDITIONAL MULTI-PURPOSE ROOMS AND CLASSROOMS, AN ADDITIONAL DRY SAUNA, NEW ELEVATOR, THERAPEUTIC RECREATION STAFF SUPPORT IF YOU WILL, BECAUSE WHEN YOU'RE SERVING THIS MANY PEOPLE, YOU REALLY DO NEED THAT STAFF ROOM.

JENNA, WOULD YOU MIND WALKING THROUGH WHAT THOSE LOOK LIKE? YEAH. SO WE SAID WE WOULD SHARE SOME TRENDS.

SO ADDING NEW FITNESS SPACE, FITNESS EQUIPMENT OVER THE LAST TEN YEARS HAS NOT GOTTEN ANY SMALLER.

IN FACT, JUST THE OPPOSITE, IT'S GETTING BIGGER.

AND SO THESE WE DESIGN THESE BIG VOLUME SPACES.

AND ALSO IT'S WHAT YOU DON'T SEE WHICH IS AREAS THAT ARE CLEAR.

SO PEOPLE CAN STRETCH.

SO THEY CAN TAKE A MAT, MAYBE WORK WITH A TRAINER OR JUST, YOU KNOW, GET ALL OUT OF THE WAY IF YOU WILL.

SO THIS IS A TREND THAT WE'RE SEEING OR FUNCTIONAL FITNESS SPACE NOW.

FUNCTIONAL FITNESS THIS IS EXERCISE THAT MIMICS REAL LIFE ACTIVITIES LIKE SQUATTING LIFTING, PULLING YOU KNOW THEY USE THOSE BATTLE ROPES.

THIS IS A VERY HOT TREND.

IT ALSO LETS YOU TAILOR THE EXPERIENCE AND TO MEET DIFFERENT FITNESS GOALS.

OR IMMERSIVE FITNESS, YOU KNOW, IMAGINE DOING YOGA AT THE REC OF GRAPEVINE AND YOU'RE OVERLOOKING, YOU KNOW, THE HILLS OF TUSCANY OR, YOU KNOW, BEAUTIFUL ALLEGHENY RIVER HERE.

MULTI-PURPOSE ROOM.

THIS IS WHAT MAKES THIS SO SPECIAL IS THAT MULTI-PURPOSE NATURE ALONG WITH THE STORAGE THAT YOU SEE.

SO THINGS ARE NOT OUT.

YOU HAVE ROOM TO ACCOMMODATE THESE DIFFERENT PROGRAMS GOING ON IN THOSE SPACES.

AND THE LARGE MULTI-PURPOSE CLASSROOM.

AS MICK SAID, THE STUART HALL IS AMAZING, BUT SOMETIMES, YOU KNOW, IN THE SUMMER CAMPS COME IN CLUB ALL ACCESS MAY USE THAT SPACE AND IT DISPLACES SENIORS. SO HAVING AN ADDITIONAL CLASSROOM SPACE WOULD ALSO ALLEVIATE SOME OF THOSE PROGRAM DEMANDS.

A LARGE DRY SAUNA SEPARATE FROM AQUATICS, SO THAT IF THE POOL IS SHUT DOWN, YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE LIFEGUARDS ON STAFF IN ORDER TO ACCESS THE SAUNA. SO IN SUMMARY, I CAN'T SAY IT ENOUGH.

WE. YOUR FACILITY IS AMAZING.

IT'S VERY HIGH PERFORMING.

YOUR FEES, YOUR STRUCTURES.

FEE STRUCTURE IS VERY AFFORDABLE AND IT'S WORKING VERY WELL FOR YOU.

WITH 21,000 MEMBERS, YOUR MARKET IS STRONG AND IT'S STILL A PLACE TO GATHER FOR RECREATION, EDUCATION AND COMMUNITY, WHICH IS DEMONSTRATED IN THOSE NUMBERS AND BY THE SATISFACTION OF RESIDENTS.

STAFF MAKES GOOD DECISIONS.

NONE OF THIS HAPPENS WITHOUT HIGH PERFORMING STAFF WHO ARE VERY MEMBER FOCUSED.

SINCE THE PRIMARY MEMBERS ARE USING IT FOR FITNESS, IT DOES CREATE THOSE PINCH POINTS, AND PARTICIPATION IN THE DIFFERENT PROGRAMS CREATES SOME PROGRAM SPACE LIMITATIONS, CAUSING SOME DISPLACEMENT.

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THINGS LIKE AIR PRESSURE, AIR MOVING THROUGH THE BUILDING, AIR CIRCULATION, METALLURGICAL NEEDS, AND REPAIRS THAT'S HAPPENING IN THE AQUATICS.

AQUATICS IS A VERY INTERESTING ENVIRONMENT AND THAT METAL WILL START TO RUST BECAUSE OF THE THE AIR THAT'S IN THERE.

AND SO IT'S TIME TO ADDRESS SOME OF THOSE NEEDS AND REPAIRS IN THERE.

WE ALSO WHEN WE STARTED THE THE STUDY WE TALKED ABOUT RE-UPHOLSTERING FURNITURE IN STUART HALL.

THAT'S ALREADY IN PROGRESS.

WE TALKED ABOUT REPLASTERING THE POOL.

NOW THAT'S COMPLETE, AS WELL AS RESURFACING THE WOOD IN THE EXISTING SAUNA.

SO EVEN SINCE THE TIME THAT THIS SURVEY OR THIS PERFORMANCE ANALYSIS BEGAN, WE'VE ALREADY STARTED.

THE STAFF HAS ALREADY TAKEN THESE CHALLENGES ON HAVEN'T WAITED.

THEY'VE GOTTEN IT DONE.

OTHER OBJECTIVES, THE INDOOR PLAYGROUND, FLOORING, FOR EXAMPLE.

IT'S REACHING MATURITY.

IT'S JUST AT THAT TIME, IT GETS SO MUCH USE IN PLAY THAT YOU'RE HEADED TOWARDS REPLACING THAT THAT FLOOR.

IT MIGHT BE TIME TO ADD A DUTCH DOOR THERE FOR, FOR BETTER RECONNAISSANCE AND SEEING WHAT'S GOING ON FROM ROOM TO ROOM.

STUDIO A MAYBE COULD BE REPURPOSED.

WE DON'T KNOW ITS POTENTIAL.

ADDING SECURITY CAMERAS THROUGHOUT, GYMNASIUM, DRYWALL, REINFORCEMENTS, THE LIST GOES ON AND ON.

IT'S GREATER THAN WHAT YOU SEE UP HERE, BUT WE WANTED YOU TO KNOW OR TAKE AWAY THAT THERE ARE OTHER RENOVATIONS AND OBJECTIVES THAT ARE GOING ON THAT JUST GO ALONG WITH THE RECREATION CENTER.

SO IN PHASE TWO, WHAT ARE OUR HOPES AND DREAMS? WELL, WE HOPE THAT WE CAN MOVE RIGHT INTO FIGURING OUT HOW WOULD HOW COULD WE EXPAND FITNESS CLASSROOMS, MULTI-PURPOSE ROOMS, STAFF NEEDS YOU KNOW WHAT ARE RENOVATION TO REFRESH THE BRAND AND ADDRESS THOSE TRENDS THAT THAT WE'VE SHOWN YOU HERE? AND THEN DEFINE SHORT TERM AND LONG TERM IMPROVEMENTS, BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO PROBABLY FALL INTO SOME THINGS THAT CAN HAPPEN IMMEDIATELY.

SOME THINGS MAY NEED TO TAKE A LITTLE BIT OF TIME, BUT WE'D LIKE TO BRING BACK INFORMATION OF HOW IT CAN BE DONE, HOW MUCH IT WILL COST, AND THEN CONTINUE THOSE STRATEGIES TO IMPROVE THE FACILITY.

BEFORE YOU. BEFORE YOU GO ON.

CAN I ASK A QUESTION ABOUT YOUR STUDY? ONE OF THE THINGS YOU DIDN'T MENTION, YOU KNOW, THE FIRST FLOOR HAS TWO HUGE SPACES THAT HAS BASKETBALL COURT, VOLLEYBALL, THINGS LIKE THAT.

DID YOU LOOK AT WHAT THE USE OF THOSE WERE? BECAUSE THAT'S A PRETTY BIG SPACE AND I DON'T KNOW WHETHER IT'S OVER UTILIZED, UNDERUTILIZED IF THERE'S ANY OPPORTUNITY THERE.

YOU HAVEN'T MENTIONED THAT.

YEAH WE DID.

WE LOOKED AT THE ENTIRE BUILDING AND FELT LIKE YOU HAVE ADEQUATE GYM SPACE FOR WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH IN THE IN THE BUILDING.

SO IT'S NOT UNDER UTILIZED.

NO OR OVER UTILIZED NO.

PICKLEBALL IS BALANCED BECAUSE YOUR STAFF IS PROGRAMING THOSE SPACES FOR EXAMPLE.

THAT'S THE BIGGEST GROWTH AREA.

THEN CHICKEN AND PICKLE, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, TOOK A LITTLE PRESSURE OFF OF THAT.

THEN YOU ALSO HAVE SOME OF YOUR OUTDOOR FACILITIES TOO.

SO WE'RE FINDING BALANCE IN YOUR GYMNASIUM SPACE.

THAT'S WHY IT WASN'T REALLY AMPLIFIED HERE.

WE'RE TRYING TO JUST STICK TO SOME OF THE OKAY THANK YOU PINCH POINT AREAS.

YEAH. THANK YOU THANK YOU. SO WE'RE HERE TONIGHT TO GET YOUR INPUT ON THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE PERFORMANCE UTILIZATION ANALYSIS TO COMPLETE THAT REPORT.

AND THEN FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION AS PHASE TWO, WHICH AGAIN, IS TO LOOK AT AND TO QUANTIFY WHAT ARE SOME OF THOSE CONCEPTS, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE THE HIGH PRIORITIES ASSIGNED PRIORITIES AND ASSIGN MAGNITUDE OF COST TO THOSE AS WELL.

DO YOU HAVE ON SOME OF THE COUNTS THAT YOU WERE SAYING? DO YOU HAVE WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE IN TERMS OF HOURLY UTILIZATION THROUGH THE DAY, LIKE IT'S DOES THAT PINCH POINT HAPPEN IN ONE PARTICULAR AREA IN THE EVENING VERSUS OTHER PLACES WHERE IT'S IN THE MORNING, OR I GUESS IN PHASE TWO, MAYBE LOOKING AT HOW WE COULD CROSS PURPOSE SOME OF THOSE THINGS.

I KNOW THAT IF WE EXPAND THE FITNESS AREA, THOSE MACHINES AREN'T SUPER PORTABLE.

SO I KNOW YOU'RE NOT GOING TO MOVE THOSE AROUND AND, YOU KNOW, PUT THOSE INTO THE STUDIO A AND THEN CLEAR IT OUT FOR THE EVENING OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

BUT ARE THERE OPPORTUNITIES LIKE THAT? AND DO YOU HAVE THE INFORMATION THAT WOULD ENABLE US TO LOOK AT MAYBE IMPROVING THE UTILIZATION EVEN BEYOND WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE? YEAH, WE CERTAINLY LOOKED AT ALL UTILIZATION, THOSE HOURLY STAFF COUNTS.

WE EVEN I TRACKED SCAN HOW MANY SCANS CAME IN AND A FOUR MONTH PERIOD.

YOU KNOW, THERE ARE TIMES, YOU KNOW, EVERYONE WANTS ACCESS TO THE FITNESS EQUIPMENT.

YOU KNOW, THERE ARE PEAK TIMES AND THERE ARE LESS, YOU KNOW, NON-PEAK TIMES.

IT WOULD BE GREAT IF WE COULD GET PEOPLE TO DIVIDE UP THEIR TIME.

BUT IT USUALLY COMES DOWN TO EVERYONE WANTS ACCESS TO THEM AT A GIVEN TIME.

AND TO YOUR POINT, WE'RE NOT GOING TO MOVE THEM AROUND DIFFERENT AREAS.

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THAT COULD BE SOMETHING THAT POTENTIALLY MOVES AWAY SO YOU CAN ACCOMMODATE MORE CARDIO AND THEN A DIFFERENT AREA FOR WEIGHT LIFTING.

RIGHT. I WAS JUST LIKE YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT SOME OF THE TRENDS THAT HAVE CHANGED SINCE IT WAS FIRST OPENED.

I MEAN, A LOT MORE PEOPLE ARE WORKING FROM HOME, AND I SEE THAT PEAK THAT YOU USED TO HAVE IN THE EVENING WHEN PEOPLE ARE ON THEIR WAY HOME FROM THE OFFICE.

NOW PEOPLE ARE THERE MORE IN THE AFTERNOON BECAUSE THEY HAVE THAT FLEXIBILITY.

SO THAT'S PROBABLY HELPED TO SMOOTH OUT THAT PEAK A LITTLE BIT.

BUT YOU STILL HAVE THAT EVENING PEAK IN THE FITNESS AREA, RIGHT? DEFINITELY. YEAH.

WE WERE THERE THIS AFTERNOON AND I WAS AMAZED HOW MANY PEOPLE WERE THERE AT, YOU KNOW, 12:30 IN THE AFTERNOON ON THE FITNESS FLOOR IN PARTICULAR, ONE OF THE MISTAKES WE SEE A LOT OF CITIES MAKE IS THEY'LL TAKE THEIR FITNESS AREA AND CRAM AS MANY MACHINES AS THEY CAN IN THERE.

AND WHAT YOU LACK THEN, OR WHAT YOU LOSE, IS SAFE CIRCULATION AND PLACES FOR PEOPLE TO GET OFF THE MACHINES AND STRETCH.

YOU CAN WALK UPSTAIRS ANY TIME OF DAY, AND YOU'RE GOING TO FIND PEOPLE STRETCHING ANYWHERE THAT THEY CAN, RIGHT, RIGHT NOW, BECAUSE THERE'S JUST NOT ENOUGH SPACE FOR THEM TO GO INTO, SAY, A FITNESS AREA AND DO THAT.

SO I WOULDN'T MAKE THE MISTAKE OF JUST OPENING UP YOUR FITNESS AND JUST CRAMMING IN AS MUCH AS YOU CAN.

THAT'S WHY WE'RE RECOMMENDING EXPANDING AND KEEPING IT SAFE AND OPERABLE AND FULL OF LIGHT AND AIR.

AND A LOT OF THE SUCCESS THAT YOU SEE RIGHT NOW.

YEAH, NO, I COMPLETELY AGREE.

AND I THINK USING MAYBE THE STUDIO A IS A POSSIBLE EXPANSION OF THAT BECAUSE THE FITNESS AREA IS THE MOST HIGHLY UTILIZED PIECE.

BUT THEN MAYBE SOME OF THOSE OTHER USES THAT ARE A LITTLE MORE FLEXIBLE IN TERMS OF MOVING THEM AROUND OR CROSS UTILIZING SOME OTHER SPACES, SEEMED LIKE MAYBE ONE OF THE PATHS WE CAN LOOK AT AS WE GO FORWARD.

AS WE GO FORWARD, TWO AREAS THAT I'D LIKE TO HEAR A LITTLE BIT ABOUT USE WOULD BE THE TRACK, BECAUSE THE TRACK GETS PRETTY CROWDED THE TIMES THAT I'VE BEEN UP THERE AND THE PLAY AREA, SOMETIMES YOU YOU CANNOT GET IN THERE.

I MEAN, WE'VE JUST GOT SO MANY KIDS.

WAS THAT WHAT DID YOU FIND FOR THOSE TWO PARTICULAR AREAS? THOSE WERE ALSO IN THOSE STAFF COUNTS, BUT AGAIN, NOT AS HIGH AS THE FITNESS AREA ON THROUGHOUT THE YEAR, BUT DEFINITELY WELL LOVED THE THE INDOOR TRACK THAT REMAINS ONE OF THE MOST REQUESTED AMENITIES IN A COMMUNITY RECREATION CENTER, AND SO COULD POTENTIALLY BE PART OF ANY POTENTIAL EXPANSION.

YOU KNOW, NOW THEY DO ADVENTURE TRACKS WHERE YOU INCORPORATE SOME SOME HILLS AS AN ALTERNATIVE TO THE FLAT SURFACE, OF COURSE.

YEAH, MY WIFE IS ON THE TRACK RIGHT NOW.

WE GO WE'RE IN THAT 3 TO 5 TIMES A WEEK VISIT.

AND SO I'M WITH YOU ON THAT.

WE SEE THE TRACK USAGE, BUT HONESTLY I THINK IT'S PRETTY CLOSE TO BALANCE FOR YOUR POPULATION AND THE NUMBERS BECAUSE IT HAS THREE LANES.

IT'S IT'S IT'S GOOD SIZE.

IT IS WELL LOVED.

IT DOES GET A LITTLE BIT CROWDED AT TIMES, BUT IT'S IT'S RIGHT THERE AT THE TOP OF HIGH USE.

BUT NOT ANOTHER COMPLAINT WE GET IS THE PARKING LOT.

YOU CAN'T FIND A PLACE TO PARK.

YES. YEAH.

FRIDAY MORNINGS ARE GOOD.

HAVE YOU DONE THE STUDY ON THE NEEDS OF THE WHITE ROOM YET? I'M SORRY. THE WHITE ROOM.

HAVE Y'ALL DONE A STUDY OF WHAT OUR NEEDS FOR EQUIPMENT THERE YET? THE WEIGHT ROOM? FITNESS AREA? FITNESS? YES, SIR.

WE'RE WE'RE RECOMMENDING EXPANDING FITNESS BECAUSE WE HAVE SOME MACHINES THAT ARE MORE POPULAR THAN OTHERS.

YES, SIR. AND WE ONLY HAVE ONE OF EACH.

SO IF YOU HAVE A TRAINER AND YOU'RE GOING THROUGH A REGIME, AT TIMES IT'S ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO COMPLETE IT.

THE USE OF THAT ROOM VARIES FROM OTHER SCHOOL IS IN SESSION.

YES, SIR. WHETHER IT'S SUMMER HOLIDAYS OR WHAT THE WHEN THE KIDS COME IN, IT REALLY IS IMPACTED.

BUT THERE'S SOME MACHINES.

WE NEED MORE THAN ONE.

YES, SIR. AND THERE'S MORE BICYCLES THAN WE NEED.

THERE'S SOME ROOM TO EXPAND.

THERE'S ALSO SOME OTHER PROBLEMS THAT COULD SPEED UP AND MAKE THE EQUIPMENT MORE EFFICIENT.

THE CELL PHONE IS REPLACED.

THE AX AND THE WILL IS THE ESSENTIAL HUMAN PIECE OF EQUIPMENT.

PEOPLE CAN'T GO TO THE GROCERY STORE WITHOUT IT.

THEY CAN'T DRIVE A CAR WITHOUT IT.

THEY CAN'T WORK OUT WITHOUT IT.

BUT THE TIME THEY SPEND ON THE CELL PHONE WHILE SOMEBODY ELSE IS WAITING FOR THE EQUIPMENT LOSES TIME.

YES, SIR. THEN YOU HAVE 3 OR 4 KIDS THAT ARE IN THERE TOGETHER.

THEY ALL WANT TO LINE UP AND USE THE SAME EQUIPMENT AFTER ONE.

SO THEY TIE UP ONE MACHINE FOR 20 MINUTES, OR EVEN A FATHER AND A SON THAT WANT TO USE THE SAME WORKING OUT.

SO THERE MIGHT BE SOME POLICY CHANGES THAT COULD IMPROVE THE EFFICIENCY OF THAT DEPARTMENT.

WE WANT PEOPLE TO HAVE A GOOD TIME, ALL RIGHT.

WE WANT THEM TO ENJOY THEIR FAMILY AND THAT, BUT WE CERTAINLY REACH CAPACITY.

THAT'S WHERE I WORK OUT TWICE A WEEK WITH A TRAINER.

[01:50:01]

SO HOPEFULLY WE GET SOME RECOMMENDATIONS ON ON THAT.

THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE A BIG EXPENSE AREA TO FIX TO BUY SOME MORE EQUIPMENT.

IT'S A QUESTION OF DO WE HAVE A PLACE FOR IT? YES, SIR. ALL RIGHT, I AGREE.

EXCEPT WE DON'T HAVE TOO MANY BIKES, SO JUST.

GEE, I WONDER WHY YOU WOULD SAY THAT.

THE ONLY QUESTION I HAVE IS LEON I HAVE A QUESTION.

SO ALL THESE RECOMMENDATIONS, WHEN ARE THEY GOING TO BE COMPLETED? WE JUST FINISHED PHASE ONE.

WELL, I KNOW, BUT I MEAN, YOU'RE A LITTLE BIT BEHIND TO THE POINT OF EVERYBODY UP HERE.

SO I, WE'VE BEEN PRIVILEGED TO BE ABLE TO SIT ON SOME OF THESE MEETINGS AND WE ALL KNOW WHAT IS NEEDED.

I MEAN, WE ALL KNOW WHERE IT'S HEADED.

RIGHT, RIGHT. AND SO I THINK THAT YOU KNOW, THE COUNCIL AS WELL AS THE PARK AND REC IS PROBABLY READY TO GO SOONER THAN YOU'RE READY TO GO. SO IT'S JUST A MATTER OF WHAT THAT TIMELINE LOOKS LIKE ON THE NEXT PHASE.

NOW, CHRIS HAS ASKED FOR A PROPOSAL, WHICH WE WE'RE GOING TO BE PROVIDING, AND IT'LL BE AT YOUR NEXT AVAILABLE OPPORTUNITY.

LISTEN TO ME.

NO. NO, WAIT.

I'M HAPPY TO SIT BACK HERE, BUT LET'S NOT QUITE GO THAT FAST.

I MEAN, I'M SURE THE CITY ATTORNEY NEEDS TO REVIEW THE DOCUMENT.

IF YOU GIVE US THE MONTH, WE'LL HAVE A PROPOSAL BACK TO YOU.

AND AGAIN, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE.

I MEAN, THERE ARE PINCH POINTS IN THAT BUILDING THAT NEED TO BE RESOLVED.

THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, THAT DON'T COST A FORTUNE.

BUT WHERE WE COULD REPROGRAM SOME AND MAKE THE BUILDING MORE EFFICIENT, THERE ARE OTHER THINGS THAT ARE LONGER TERM, BIGGER, MORE PHYSICAL FACILITY IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE'LL NEED GOING FORWARD.

AND, AND THEY'LL THEY'LL WORK ON BOTH OF THOSE ISSUES WITH AN EYE TOWARD THE RESOLVING THE PINCH POINTS AS QUICKLY AS WE CAN, BUT ALSO DOING THE RESPONSIBLE THING, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS THE REC NEED TO LOOK LIKE FIVE YEARS FROM NOW, THREE YEARS FROM NOW, ETC..

ONE OF THE THINGS YOU DIDN'T MENTION WAS THE PARTY ROOMS, THE RENTABLE SPACES, WHICH I THINK GENERATES MORE REVENUE THAN WE ACTUALLY KNEW.

AND I WAS ACTUALLY QUITE SURPRISED.

AND SO I KNOW THAT YOU TALKED BRIEFLY ABOUT THAT AND HOW IMPORTANT THOSE FACILITIES ARE TO EXPAND AS WELL.

ABSOLUTELY, YES.

AND THOSE ARE BOOKED MONTHS IN ADVANCE.

THE PARTY ROOMS, WHICH AGAIN, THE ATTENDEES ARE NOT CAPTURED IN YOUR 3000 A DAY, BUT THEY'RE USING THAT SPACE.

SO, YEAH POTENTIAL EXPANSION THERE AS WELL WOULD ALSO HELP BRING IN SOME MORE REVENUE.

TO CLEAR OUT THE SAUNA BY JUST TURNING UP THE TEMPERATURE 20 DEGREES RIGHT.

DID YOU LOOK AT THE I GUESS IT'S A LIBRARY ON THE ON THE ON THE SENIOR CITIZEN.

AND YOU GO IN THE FRONT DOOR AND IT'S THE ROOM TO THE LEFT.

DID YOU LOOK AT THAT IN TERMS OF WHAT REPROGRAMING COULD BE THERE.

I GO IN THERE WITH SOME FREQUENCY AND THERE'S SELDOM A SENIOR IN THERE.

THE ONES THE PEOPLE THAT I HAVE SEEN IN THERE WERE Y'ALL'S AGE, MY AGE, SITTING IN THERE HAVING A MEETING, YOU KNOW, 3 OR 4 OF THEM WOULD BE IN THERE.

SO I THINK OUR INTENDED PURPOSE IS PROBABLY NOT WHAT IS OCCURRING NOW, WHICH MAKES ME THINK IT COULD BE REPURPOSED FOR SOMETHING THAT THAT WOULD BE USABLE IN A, IN A IN A BETTER WAY. DID YOU ALL LOOK AT THAT? WE LOOKED AT ALL THE ROOMS. I KNOW THAT THE SENIORS THERE'S A SENIOR POPULATION THAT REALLY ENJOYS THE PASSIVE SIDE OF THE BUILDING WHERE IT'S QUIETER, THEY CAN DO THEIR OWN ACTIVITIES.

AND WHEN CLUB ALL ACCESS CAME IN, IT KIND OF PUT PRESSURE ON THAT PASSIVE USE THERE.

AND SO WE I THINK WE'D WANT TO BE REALLY CAREFUL ABOUT HOW WOULD WE GO ABOUT CAPTURING THAT SQUARE FOOTAGE, MAYBE REPURPOSING IT SO THAT WE DON'T DISRUPT WHAT IT'S INTENDED PURPOSE FOR THE SENIORS WOULD BE? THAT'S I THINK AS PART OF THE STUDY, WE WOULD WANT TO GO FORWARD IF IT WERE USED, BEING USED FOR ITS INTENDED PURPOSE, THAT WOULD BE GOOD.

BUT IF IT'S BEING DISPLACED BY SOME FOLKS THAT MAYBE THEY DON'T NEED TO BE IN THERE BECAUSE THAT'S A SENIOR AREA, MAYBE WE NEED TO TO LOOK AT THAT.

AND I WOULD ALSO BE INTERESTED IN KNOWING THE SENIORS WHO DO USE IT.

IS IT 3 OR 4 OF THEM? A HALF A DOZEN.

IS IT 70, 75, 150, 200? SO THAT'S PART OF THE EQUATION TOO.

IT SEEMS TO ME IT'S PRETTY BUSY UNTIL TWO IN THE AFTERNOON WHEN THEY AFTER LUNCH WHEN THEY GET READY TO HEAD HOME.

YEAH. SO YOU KNOW AND BUT THEY DO HAVE THEY'VE TRIED I KNOW TRIED TO WORK IT OUT WHERE THEY USE THAT SPACE FOR OTHER MEETINGS AND THINGS.

BECAUSE ONCE THE SENIORS ARE THE NORMAL SENIORS THAT THEY'RE EVERY DAY, ONCE THEY'RE GONE, THEN THAT SPACE, THEN IT SHOULD BE USED FOR OTHER THINGS.

YES. RIGHT. OKAY. THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? APPARENTLY NOT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR EXCELLENT PRESENTATION.

YEAH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH.

THANK YOU, THANK YOU.

STUDY GOOD.

[01:55:01]

YES, SIR. ALL RIGHT. NEXT IS CONSIDER AN INCREASE IN THE NET CAST BUDGET.

[10. Consider an increase in the NETCAST (Northeast Tarrant County Area Swat Team) budget, and take any necessary action. ]

WE'LL LEAVE IT. JUST FEEDS IT TO.

I WOULDN'T MIND SEEING SOME OF THE NEXT LEVEL OF.

THANK YOU, HONORABLE MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

IN THIS ITEM, COUNCIL, YOU'RE BEING ASKED TO APPROVE OUR ANNUAL PAYMENT TO THE NORTHEAST TARRANT COUNTY AREA SPECIAL WEAPONS AND TACTICS TEAM.

THIS YEAR, IT'S COMING TO YOU BECAUSE THERE'S A REQUEST FOR AN INCREASE OF $4,000 WHICH WILL TAKE IT FROM 15,000 ANNUALLY TO 19,000.

THESE FUNDS ARE CURRENTLY A PART OF OUR CRIME CONTROL AND PREVENTION DISTRICT.

AND AS YOU MAY RECALL, THE TEAM WAS OPERATIONALIZED IN 2012 BETWEEN THE CITIES OF GRAPEVINE, HURST, EULESS AND BEDFORD.

AT THE START UP, EACH AGENCY OR EACH CITY FUNDED THEIR OWN EXPENDITURES AS THEY WERE NEEDED.

IN 2016, WE PUT TOGETHER A BUDGET FROM EACH CITY IN THE AMOUNT OF 15,000, A CONTRIBUTION FROM EACH CITY, AND THAT CREATED A SUSTAINABLE BUDGET WITH THE INCREASE IN COSTS AND TRAINING EQUIPMENT.

THOSE SORTS OF THINGS.

REQUEST HAS COME FORWARD TO INCREASE THAT ANNUAL PAYMENT TO $19,000.

AND WITH THAT, MY RECOMMENDATIONS FOR APPROVAL.

I'LL TRY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.

ANY QUESTIONS? I THINK THAT'S PROVEN TO BE A VERY SUCCESSFUL ALLIANCE.

SO YES, IT IS SUPPORT THAT I WOULD MOVE FOR APPROVAL.

I'LL SECOND. THANK YOU. THANK YOU CHIEF.

ALL RIGHT, CONSIDERATION IS IN ORDER.

WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

YOU HAVE VOTED ALREADY? YES, SIR. THAT'S AN EASY ONE.

ALL. ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION? ALL OPPOSED. MOTION CARRIES.

ITEM 11 TO CONSIDER ORDINANCE NUMBER 2024-029.

[11. Consider Ordinance No. 2024-029 to amend the Grapevine Code of Ordinances, Chapter 23, Traffic, Article IV, Pedestrians by adding to Section 23-52, Standing and Walking in Certain Areas Prohibited, and take any necessary action. ]

MATTHEW BOYLE.

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

THIS ORDINANCE CONSTITUTES AN AMENDMENT TO SECTION 23 OF THE CODE TO ADD SAFETY ENHANCEMENT PROVISIONS TO PROTECT PEDESTRIANS IN THE ROADWAYS AND AT INTERSECTIONS.

IN PARTICULAR, THIS ORDINANCE WOULD PROHIBIT STANDING OR WALKING ON MEDIANS SIX FEET OR LESS IN WIDTH OR WITHIN FOUR FEET OF A CURB OR TEN FEET OF A THE NON CURBED EDGE OF A ROADWAY, UNLESS THE ACTOR IS ACTIVELY CROSSING THE ROADWAY. LASTLY, THIS ORDINANCE PROHIBITS THE INTERFERENCE WITH VEHICULAR TRAFFIC WITHIN 100FT OF THE CENTER OF AN INTERSECTION.

WITH THAT, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

STAFF AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT RECOMMEND APPROVAL.

WHAT'S INTERFERE WITH ME? ANYTHING THAT WOULD BLOCK, DISTRACT OR OBSTRUCT WITH THE VEHICULAR TRAFFIC.

THANK YOU. I THINK BECKY, SAINT JOHN IS RIGHT.

THIS THING IS GOING TO CREATE AS MANY PROBLEMS AS IT'S GOING TO SOLVE.

I UNDERSTAND THERE'S SOME ISSUES THAT MAYBE NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED.

I EVEN KNOW THERE'S SOME AREAS IN TOWN WHERE PARENTS ARE PUTTING OUT CONES AND STANDING OUT IN THE STREET SO THEIR KIDS CAN USE IT AS A PLAYGROUND OR BASICALLY COMMANDEERING THE STREET.

AND THERE'S OTHER SAFETY REQUIREMENTS.

YOU SEE, IN DALLAS, PEOPLE ARE GETTING RUN OVER BECAUSE OF THE MEDIANS AND CROSSING ROADWAYS AND ETC.

BUT, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE IN UNCURBED AREAS STANDING IN THEIR FRONT YARD AND NEAR TO THE STREET JUST VISITING WITH A NEIGHBOR COULD BE IN VIOLATION OF THIS ORDINANCE, IT SEEMS TO ME.

AND SO I THINK WE REALLY NEED TO KNOW WHAT THE TARGET IS, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE, HOW WE'RE GOING TO ENFORCE IT, AND WHAT KIND OF REACTION WE'RE GOING TO HAVE FROM THE PUBLIC, WHETHER IT'S REALLY GOING TO TAKE SOME OF THEIR RIGHTS AWAY OR WHETHER WE'RE REALLY INCREASING SAFETY.

I MISS MY THOUGHT, MR. MAYOR. THE ONLY RESPONSE I WILL HAVE IS TO POINT OUT WHAT THE DEFINITION OF ROADWAY IS IN THE ORDINANCE, AND THAT LIMITS ITS APPLICABILITY TO ROADWAYS, WHICH ARE DEFINED AS MAJOR OR MINOR ARTERIAL ARTERIALS.

AND SO I PULLED UP ON THE CITY'S THOROUGHFARE PLAN WHAT THOSE ARE AND THOSE ARE STREETS, ROADWAYS WITH WIDTHS OF AT LEAST 75FT AND FOUR LANES. AND SO THOSE WOULD BE YOUR A, B, C AND D MAJOR AND MINOR ARTERIALS.

SO THIS DOES NOT IMPACT ANYTHING IN THE RESIDENTIAL AREAS AT ALL.

IS THAT CORRECT. UNLESS IT'S ON A.

AND WHAT THIS IS DOING IS, IS TWEAKING OUR EXISTING ORDINANCE TO BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE CHANGES THAT OUR DEAR LEGISLATURE MADE DURING THE LAST TWO SESSIONS.

IS THAT RIGHT? BRUNO, I BELIEVE THAT'S WHAT YOU SAID? CURRENTLY. OKAY.

HOW ARE PEOPLE GOING TO UNDERSTAND THIS, THOUGH, AND WHAT THE WIDTH OF THE ROADWAY IS?

[02:00:05]

I JUST I DON'T I DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH IT.

I DON'T KNOW WHETHER IT'S AT CHRISTMAS TIME, PART OF THE TRAFFIC JAM AND LAST YEAR ESPECIALLY WAS THRONGS OF PEOPLE THAT WERE TRYING TO CROSS DALLAS ROAD TO GET INTO DOWNTOWN.

AND THEY EFFECTIVELY BLOCKED TRAFFIC BECAUSE THEY JUST WERE TRYING TO GET OUT IN THE STREET.

AND THERE WERE THERE WAS A WHOLE LOT OF THEM.

I DON'T THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE A SCENARIO WHERE WE WOULD TRY TO IMPOSE THIS AND ARREST ANYBODY, BUT THAT.

THAT'S AN ISSUE. I MEAN, THAT HAPPENED.

SO I, I THINK THIS IS, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE AN ISSUE AND A PROBLEM.

I THINK THIS ADDRESSES THAT.

AND IF WE NEED TO, IF WE DO HAVE SOME UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES THAT WE NEED TO GO AHEAD AND TWEAK LATER, I THINK I'D PREFER TO GO AND PUT THIS IN PLACE AND THEN WE CAN ADJUST IT GOING FORWARD IF WE NEED TO.

PERHAPS AN ALTERNATIVE POSSIBILITY WOULD BE TO TABLE THIS EVENING.

WE WILL LOOK AT IT AGAIN BASED ON THE COMMENTS AND THE DIRECTION WE'VE GOTTEN TONIGHT, AND SEE IF THERE ARE ANY NECESSARY AMENDMENTS AND BRING THIS BACK TO YOU WITHIN THE NEXT TWO WEEKS, AND UPDATE YOU WITH ANY PROGRESS ALONG THE WAY VIA THE FRIDAY WEEKLY.

WHAT YOU MIGHT INCLUDE IN IN THE NEXT DRAFT IS INCLUDE THE NAME OF THE STREETS THAT IT WOULD APPLY TO, OR SOME CRITERIA THAT WOULD BE EASILY UNDERSTOOD BY THE PUBLIC.

WOULD THAT BE A POSSIBILITY, MATT.

ABSOLUTELY. OKAY.

AND I AGREE. I MEAN, I THINK AGAIN, I MEAN, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO UNDERSTAND THIS AT ALL AND THE POLICE ARE NOT GOING TO ISSUE ANY TICKETS.

I JUST WHAT CAUSED THIS? WHAT'S CREATED THE NEED FOR THIS? PANHANDLING ON MAJOR STREET, PANHANDLING, HANDLING STREETS.

THAT'S RIGHT. AT THE INTERSECTIONS, PANHANDLING FOR MONEY.

I HAVE NOT SEEN THAT MUCH IN THIS CITY NOT TO JUSTIFY THIS TYPE OF ORDINANCE.

THEY HOMELESS PEOPLE ARE A BIG PROBLEM, BUT THE PANHANDLERS ARE NOT.

I'VE PERSONALLY SEEN IT TWICE IN THE LAST MONTH.

IF THAT'S THE PURPOSE, I'M VOTING AGAINST IT.

ALL RIGHT. OKAY, OKAY.

WHY DON'T WE. YEAH.

AGAIN TO TABLE.

LET'S TABLE. IT WAS TABLE IT.

IF WE ISSUE TICKETS FOR THAT.

YEAH. SHE JUST ABOUT TO GET INVOLVED IN THAT.

I SECOND THE MOTION TO TABLE IT.

SECOND. ALL RIGHT.

ANYTHING ELSE? MAYOR, WE.

THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND ON THE TABLE TO TABLE IT TO SEE IF THEY CAN LOOK AT IT.

AND SECOND, WHILE WE'RE STILL DISCUSSING THINGS, AND I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON BECAUSE I'M TRYING TO HEAR THE DISCUSSION.

I TRY TO GET YOU TO LET ME CALL FOR A MOTION IN A SECOND, SO I KNOW IT'S OUT THERE.

IT'S EMBARRASSING WHEN YOU'RE MAKING MOTIONS WHEN WE'RE DISCUSSING THINGS.

ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO TABLE IT.

I THINK THAT'S A SMART IDEA.

ALL IN FAVOR? ALL OPPOSED.

MOTION CARRIES.

THAT BRINGS US TO THE CONSENT AGENDA.

[CONSENT AGENDA]

ANY GUEST PRESENT CAN ASK THAT ANY ITEM BE REMOVED FOR FURTHER DEBATE.

DO WE HAVE ANY REQUEST? I HEAR NONE, ANY FROM THE COUNCIL? I HEAR NONE.

ITEM 12 THROUGH 21 IS A CONSENT AND A MOTION IS IN ORDER.

I MOVE FOR APPROVAL.

SECOND IN FAVOR.

ALL OPPOSED. MOTION CARRIES.

THE CONSENT IS APPROVED.

THAT COMPLETES OUR AGENDA.

THANK YOU FOR BEING WITH US.

A MOTION TO ADJOURN IS IN ORDER.

SO MOVED. SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR? ALL OPPOSED.

THE COUNCIL STANDS ADJOURNED.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.