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>> [MUSIC] LOOKING FOR A DECISION. WE'RE JUST LOOKING FOR
[1. Hold a discussion and provide staff direction regarding possible amendments to the Comprehensive Zoning Ordinance (Ordinance No. 82-73) same being Appendix “D” of the Code of Ordinances, as follows: amend Subsection A.3, Noise Regulation of Section 55, Performance Standards by adding an exception for whole-home emergency generators during testing periods. ]
SOME CONVERSATION OR DISCUSSION ON THE SIDE TODAY.>> WELL, IT LOOKS LIKE THE PROPOSAL, THE ONLY LIMIT IS DAYTIME HOURS, SO THE EMERGENCY GENERATOR NOT JUST RUNNING FOR AN EMERGENCY, NOT JUST RUN FOR TESTING, BUT IF ANYONE DESIRED BECAUSE THEY COULD JUST RUN IT ALL THE TIME DURING DAYTIME.
>> THAT IS NOT THE INTENT. NO.
>> WASN'T THERE A COPY OF THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE? I CAN'T THINK [INAUDIBLE]. I THOUGHT I SAW.
YEAH. IF WE JUST PUT THAT IN THE EXCEPTION, THE ONLY LIMIT IS DAYTIME HOURS, SO YOU COULD RUN IT FOR HOURS.
WE'RE TESTING HERE AND IT WASN'T AN EMERGENCY.
>> MAYBE YOU PUT SOMETHING IN THERE, YOU ONLY RUN IT WHEN THE OTHER POWER IS NOT AVAILABLE.
>> OR IF WE'RE TESTING THAT WAS [INAUDIBLE]. [OVERLAPPING]
>> WE NEED TO PUT SOME LIMITS ON IT BECAUSE IF WE JUST LEAVE IT LIKE THIS THEN THEY COULD RUN IT ALL THE TIME, 24/7.
YOU'RE NOT REALLY ALLOWED TO RUN YOUR LAWN YARD ALL THE TIME, SO IS IT NOT TIED INTO WHATEVER RESTRICTION WE HAVE WITH LAWN AND YARD MAINTENANCE?
>> ON THE THIRD LINE FROM THE BULLET POINTS IS IN DAYTIME HOURS, SO IT WOULD BE DAYTIME FOR BOTH OF THOSE.
BUT OF COURSE WE ALL NEED A DIFFERENT JUDGE [INAUDIBLE]. [OVERLAPPING]
>> THAT'S WHAT I WAS WONDERING.
>> IT WAS TWO DEGREES OUTSIDE.
>> IT WOULD RUN. I DON'T KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT GENERATORS, I GUESS ASSUMING THEY RUN THE WHOLE TIME WHILE THE ELECTRICITY IS OUT. [OVERLAPPING]
>> YEAH, SO WHAT HAPPENS IS ELECTRICITY GOES OUT, THERE'S AN AUTOMATIC KICK ON.
IT KICKS IT ON, IT KEEPS IT ON UNTIL POWER IS RESTORED THEN IT KICKS OFF,.
>> WHICH WILL BE THE PURPOSE OF HAVING THIS.
>> I GUESS THE TESTING COULD BE DURING DAYTIME HOURS HOLD AS AN EXCEPTION FOR TESTING MORE THAN ONCE [INAUDIBLE].
>> WE'LL HAVE A LIMIT ON IT OR SOMETHING.
>> AGAIN, IF IT RUNS ONLY WHEN THERE'S NO OTHER POWER AVAILABLE BUT WOULD REALLY NEED IT, THAT'S THE TIME THEY WOULD REALLY NEED IT.
THEY CAME REFRIGERATOR MEDICINE, RUN THE MEDICAL EQUIPMENT, OTHER POWER NOT AVAILABLE, IT'S OKAY TO RUN IT WHATEVER TIME IT IS.
>> BUT IF YOU DON'T PUT SOME RESTRICTIONS, THERE'S GOING TO BE SOMEBODY OUT THERE THAT DECIDES I DON'T WANT TO PAY ELECTRIC BILL, I WANT TO PAY THE GAS AND RUN IT ALL THE TIME.
>> THESE GENERATORS DON'T GENERATE ENOUGH ELECTRICITY FOR THE WHOLE HOUSE.
THEY'RE SET UP TO RUN THE REFRIGERATOR OR MAYBE THE ALARM SYSTEM.
BUT YOU CAN'T LIVE YOUR WHOLE NORMAL LIFESTYLE OFF ONE OF THESE GENERATORS.
I'VE RESEARCHED IT WHERE YOU CAN HAVE IT FOR THE WHOLE HOUSE, SO YOU MIGHT ACTUALLY HAVE TWO GENERATORS. [OVERLAPPING]
>> OR TWO GENERATORS. THERE ARE BIGGER UNITS TO GET THAT JUST AS QUIET AS A GENERATOR.
>> YOU CAN GET AS BIGGER A ONE BECAUSE DURING SNOW WE GET AND I WAS ACTUALLY IN SOUTH TEXAS AND WE ENDED UP WITH SOME PEOPLE AND WE ENDED UP IN THESE PEOPLE'S GARAGE APARTMENT AND THE GARAGE APARTMENT AND THEIR HOUSE WAS ALL RUN BY THERE.
>> YES, BUT STILL YOU CAN GET A REALLY BIG ONE.
>> WHAT IS THEIR VALUE AT OTHER THAN COMMON SENSE THAT LETS PEOPLE RUN THEIR GENERATOR 24/7 WHEN THERE'S NO POWER?
>> OBVIOUSLY, WE WORKED OUT IN 2021 GIVING PEOPLE CITATIONS.
>> WE HAVEN'T HAD COMPLAINTS ABOUT PEOPLE RUNNING IT 24/7.
THE ISSUES WE HAVE HAD HAVE BEEN THROUGH OUR BUILDING SERVICES DEPARTMENT WHEN PEOPLE COME IN FOR A PERMIT IN A LOT OF INSTANCES, ON SOME OF OUR SMALLER LOTS, EVEN IN THE R 7.5 OR THE R 5.0 IF SOME PROPERTY OWNER IS INTERESTED IN PUTTING THIS IN, THEY DON'T HAVE ENOUGH ROOM IN THE SENSE THAT IT'S NOT FAR ENOUGH FROM THE PROPERTY LINE WHERE IT WOULD BE CONSIDERED AN IMPACT ON THEIR NEIGHBOR DUE TO NOISE, AND THEN THEY'RE HAVING TO PUT SOME TYPE OF BUFFING UP OR SOME TYPE OF NOISE ATTENUATION UP BECAUSE IF YOU DIDN'T HAVE ANY RESTRICTIONS, THEY COULD PUT IT AS CLOSE TO THE PROPERTY LINE.
>> AWAY FROM THEIR HOUSE. CLOSE TO YOUR HOUSE.
WELL, AND THAT COULD JUST BE PART OF THE DRAFT IS IT'S GOT TO BE RIGHT NEXT TO THE GAS METER OR NEXT TO THE ELECTRICAL METERS BUT IT'S TYPICALLY ARE WAY UP NEXT TO THE ELECTRICAL METER BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT TO RUN THAT HUGE CABLE FROM THE METER ALL THE WAY OUT TO THE GENERATOR.
NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE THE MONEY TO DO IT.
>> [OVERLAPPING] BASICALLY, [INAUDIBLE] YOU PUT A METER. [OVERLAPPING]
>> BUT IT STILL JUST BY THE OTHER TOO.
I DON'T KNOW. DO ANY OF THE SURROUNDING CITIES HAVE ANYTHING?
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>> NOT SPECIFICALLY THAT WE'VE SEEN.
THIS SEEMS TO BE A VERY LOCALIZED ISSUE WHEN IT COMES.
IT'S MORE OF A PERMITTING ISSUE AND WE'RE TRYING TO RIGHT NOW, WITH OUR CURRENT REGULATIONS, NOT CREATE ANY MORE COMPLIANCE ISSUES DOWN THE ROAD.
>> BUT YOU HAVE TO PERMIT IN. I KNOW I HAD TO PERMIT ONE TO BUILD ON THE NEW CONSTRUCTION WE DID OVER THERE. [OVERLAPPING]
>> DID YOU HAVE ANY RESTRICTIONS ON WHERE IT COULD BE? [OVERLAPPING]
>> IT WAS A BIG ONE OUT THERE.
IT WAS REALLY WORSE ZERO TO A RESTRICTION OVER THERE AT ALL.
>> BUILDERS CAN USE COMMON SENSE TOO.
>> BUT STILL, IT'S STILL EASIER [INAUDIBLE].
[OVERLAPPING] YOU'RE ON A BIG LOT. [OVERLAPPING]
>> WHAT ABOUT IT RUNNING 24 HOURS AND POWERING THE WHOLE HOUSE, WE OUGHT TO RESTRICT THE CAPACITY THAT IT CAN PRODUCE.
RUNS WHEN OTHER POWER SOURCES ARE NOT AVAILABLE 24 HOURS AND LIMIT THE CAPACITY TO ESSENTIAL USAGE SO THAT THEY CAN'T DO WHAT MONICA IS TALKING ABOUT. DO THE WHOLE HOUSE. [OVERLAPPING]
>> DO YOU REALLY WANT TO RESTRICT THE WHOLE HOUSE WITHOUT ACTUALLY NO POWER?
>> I JUST THINK THAT SHOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE THAT IF YOU [INAUDIBLE], IF YOU WANT TO BE A BIG ONE, YOU SHOULD HAVE A BIG ONE. [OVERLAPPING]
>> YOU SAID THEY MAKE THESE THINGS QUIET BECAUSE THE INDIVIDUAL DOESN'T WANT TO HEAR IT EITHER. [OVERLAPPING]
>> THESE ARE PRETTY QUIET, LIKE I SAID TO THE CONVERSATION LEVEL WHEN IT HAS TO RUN, SO IT'S NOT LIKE IT'S BLASTING SOMEBODY OUT THERE IN THE BACK YARD WHILE THEY'RE IN BACK LIKE A BENCH. [OVERLAPPING]
>> NOT EVEN THAT THAT LOUD. [OVERLAPPING]
>> IT IS IF PROBABLY IF YOU GOT AN OLD ONE. [INAUDIBLE]. [OVERLAPPING]
>> I THINK IT WAS THE EMERGENCY GENERATOR. [OVERLAPPING]
>> [INAUDIBLE] ME, BUT THOSE COULD BE THOSE GENERAL ONES AND THOSE ARE REALLY LOUD.
>> [INAUDIBLE] GAS POWERED ONE. [OVERLAPPING]
>> [INAUDIBLE] THOSE ARE LOUD.
>> AGAIN, WE WANT PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO RUN THOSE WHEN WE TRULY DON'T HAVE POWER.
>> YEAH. BUT I DON'T THINK THIS IS REALLY FOR WHEN WE TRULY DON'T HAVE POWER BECAUSE OUR CODE IS CLOSE, THIS COULD BE OUT FOR GIVING TICKETS IN, THIS IS FOR THE REST.
YOU HAVE TO THINK ABOUT FOR THE [INAUDIBLE]. [OVERLAPPING]
>> THE PROPOSAL IS JUST CARVING THEM OUT FOR THE NOISE ORDINANCE PERIOD.
>> WE NEED STILL SOME RESTRICTIONS ON TESTING.
YOU HAVE TO TEST IT, BUT IF THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO TEST IT ONCE A MONTH, THEY SHOULD.
>> WHICH CAN BE DONE IN DAYTIME?
>> MOST OF THOSE CAN BE SET UP AUTOMATICALLY.
IT'S A SIMPLE WAY YOU SET UP FROM THE GET GO SO IT COMES ON THE DAY HOURS, ONE O'CLOCK IN THE AFTERNOON, WHATEVER, [OVERLAPPING] AND THEN YOU DO, THERE ARE SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN CHANGE THE MANUAL, BUT IF YOU JUST HAVE THAT RESTRICTION IN THERE, THEN THEY JUST HAVE TO SET UP AND COME IN AND COMPLY WITH IT, [INAUDIBLE].
>> WHAT I'M HEARING IS NOT A WHOLE SALE EXCEPTION, BUT UNDER SOME CONDITIONS AS IT USED DURING TESTING PERIODS, EMERGENCY SITUATIONS, AND WHEN OTHER POWER NOT AVAILABLE.
IS THERE AN ISSUE WITH THE TERM WHOLE HOME EMERGENCY GENERATOR? YOU WANT TO SIMPLY REFER TO IT AS LIKE RESIDENTIAL EMERGENCY GENERATOR? [OVERLAPPING]
>> I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU WOULD CALL IT [INAUDIBLE].
>> IT'S SUPPOSED TO HAVE A [INAUDIBLE] HOLE.
>> THEY CAN LEAVE IT BUT THEY DON'T HAVE TO.
>> [INAUDIBLE] ART. [OVERLAPPING]
>> RESIDENTIAL STANDBY GENERATOR.
>> I LIKE THAT. RESIDENTIAL STANDBY GENERATOR.
>> THAT'S WHAT IT'S CALLED ON THAT.
>> JUST A RESIDENTIAL GENERATOR?
>> I DON'T KNOW. [OVERLAPPING]
>> LET US GO BACK AND CRAFT IT A LITTLE BIT MORE AND BRING IT BACK TO YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
>> SHOULD WE THINK MUCH ABOUT ITS LOCATION?
>> MAYBE SOME. [INAUDIBLE] [OVERLAPPING].
>> ON THE SOURCE IT'S BEEN IS NOT IN THE PERMIT SINCE BECAUSE IT HAS TO BE PERMITTED, SO DOES THAT NOT ARE TIED TO THE LOCATION WHERE THE GENERATOR IS GOING TO BE PLACED?
>> THAT'S ALREADY [INAUDIBLE].
>> WE'LL HAVE A PLOT PLAN IF IT'S LOCATION.
>> BUT DO WE WANT TO CONTROL IT THOUGH?
>> NO, WE DON'T. THAT'S LIKE TRYING TO CONTROL WHERE THE FENCE GOES [OVERLAPPING] ON.
>> WE'LL WORK ON IT AND BRING IT BACK TO YOU. THANK YOU.
>> RIGHT. WE ARE MOVING ON TO CONTINUATION OF OUR DISCUSSION
[2. Hold a discussion and provide staff direction regarding possible amendments to the Comprehensive Zoning Ordinance (Ordinance No. 82-73) same being Appendix “D” of the Code of Ordinances, as follows: create and amend definitions in Section 12, Definitions; and create zoning districts, Condominium District and Brownstone District; establish bulk, dimensional, and setback standards relative to condominiums and brownstones, and Section 41B, Transit District Overlay. ]
OF NEW DISTRICTS FOR CONDOMINIUM AND BROWNSTONE AND THEIR STANDARDS.I KNOW THIS IS PROBABLY HARD TO READ, BUT IN A NUTSHELL, THE CHANGES THAT YOU'LL SEE IN YOUR STRIKE EARLY DRAFT WE PROVIDED FOR YOU THIS EVENING IS WE AMENDED THE DEFINITION FOR CONDOMINIUM TO REMOVE THE REFERENCE TO AIR RIGHTS THAT SEEM TO BE A CONSENSUS THAT WAS NOT NEEDED.
WE ALSO HAVE PROPOSED A NEW DEFINITION
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FOR LIVE WORK UNIT WHICH WASN'T PREVIOUSLY PROVIDED.THAT IS A USE LISTED IN SECTION 41 B FOR TRANSIT DISTRICT OVERLAY.
THIS IS JUST A FIRST DRAFT, SO AGAIN, IT'S AVAILABLE FOR DISCUSSION.
THEN WE ALSO HAVE PROVIDED SOME DRAFT LANGUAGE FOR EXTERIOR MATERIAL STANDARDS WITHIN THE CONDOMINIUM DISTRICT.
I DID WANT TO LET YOU KNOW THAT SUBSEQUENT TO OUR LAST WORKSHOP, I HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH MATTHEW, OUR CITY ATTORNEY, AND WAS REMINDED OF A HOUSE BILL FROM A LEGISLATIVE SESSION IN 2019 THAT REALLY PROHIBITS A CITY'S IN TOWN'S ABILITY TO REGULATE EXTERIOR MATERIAL REQUIREMENTS, REALLY CONSTRUCTION MATERIALS AS A WHOLE UNLESS IT'S BEEN AMENDED THROUGH THE LAST THREE CODE CYCLES MEANING BUILDING CODE.
THERE ARE SOME EXCEPTIONS TO THAT AND THAT'S IF YOU WERE IN A DESIGN DISTRICT OR AN AREA OF SPECIAL SIGNIFICANCE THAT EXISTED PRIOR TO THE EFFECTIVE DATE OF THAT LEGISLATION, WHICH WOULD HAVE BEEN SEPTEMBER 1ST, 2019, OR WITHIN A HISTORIC DISTRICT.
YOU'LL SEE THAT AS AMENDED THERE, IT INCLUDES THAT PERCENTAGE OF MATERIAL REQUIREMENTS AND THEN A CAVEAT THAT THEY ARE ABLE TO USE OTHER MATERIALS AS OUTLINED IN THAT SECTION OF THE TEXAS LOCAL GOVERNMENT.
WITH THAT, WE CAN GO BACK THROUGH THE CHANGES OR WE CAN PICK UP.
[OVERLAPPING] YOU GOT A LOFT OF COMMENTS.
>> WELL, FIRST, I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE HAS IT, IT'S SEARCHABLE, BUT WHERE IS THE TERM EFFICIENCY UNIT USED? IN WHAT CONTEXT IN THIS ONE?
>> IT'S AN EXISTING DEFINITION.
>> THIS IS BASICALLY WHAT WE USE FOR. [OVERLAPPING]
>> THE EXISTING DEFINITIONS OF EFFICIENCY APARTMENT? BECAUSE WE WERE DELETING THE WORD APARTMENT BECAUSE IT'S SYNONYMOUS WITH MULTI-FAMILY AND WE'RE SIMPLY CALLING IT UNIT.
>> WHY IS THERE A MAXIMUM SQUARE FEET IF SOMEONE WANTED TO DO A LOFT TIGHT FLOOR PLAN? I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE IMPACT WOULD BE OF HAVING A LARGE [INAUDIBLE] IF IT IS A ONE ROOM SITUATION, THAT WOULD TECHNICALLY BE AN EFFICIENCY.
>> I THINK THE MAX IS PRETTY GOOD.
WHY THEY CALL IT AN EFFICIENCY UNIT IF YOU'RE TRYING TO HAVE A LIMITLESS UNIT SYSTEM, EVERY OTHER. [OVERLAPPING]
>> IF IT'S A LOFT SOMEONE WOULD HAVE TO DO A LOFT DEVELOPMENT.
>> IT'S A LOFT EFFICIENCY UNIT, RIGHT?
>> WELL, YES, BECAUSE IF IT DOESN'T HAVE WALLS, IT'S ONE BIG BRICK.
>> I JUST FIGURED THAT WAS THE BIGGEST PART OF IT BEING EFFICIENCY WAS THE SIZE SO THAT'S WHY YOU'RE LIMITING THE SIZE. [OVERLAPPING]
>> WHERE USUALLY IT'S THE SQUARE FOOT. [OVERLAPPING]
>> IT'S ONE LARGE SPACE. [OVERLAPPING]
>> IN THE FIRST PLACE, DID WE HAVE THIS PUT YOU IN HERE BEFORE, OVER 600 FEET?
>> WE HAD THE MINIMUM BUT NOT THE MAXIMUM.
AT SOME POINT WE ADDED THE MAXIMUM.
>> I KNOW THAT WHEN WE APPROVED MULTI-FAMILIES, THEY HAVE EFFICIENCY, ONE BEDROOM, TWO BEDROOM, THREE BEDROOM.
BUT THAT'S WHY I DON'T KNOW WHERE ELSE THIS DEFINITION IS USED.
I'M JUST THINKING OF A LOFT SITUATION WHERE IT'S ALL ONE BIG ROOM.
>> YOU CAN ONLY HAVE A CERTAIN NUMBER OF EFFICIENCY UNITS IN A MULTIU- FAMILY, SO YOU HAVE TO DEFINE IT SOMEHOW SOMEWHERE SO THAT YOU CAN LIMIT THE NUMBER OF THEM THAT ARE ON THERE SO YOU CAN DEFINE LIKE THOSE ARE THE NUMBER THAT'S THOSE ARE IN THAT MARK.
>> I DON'T THINK THERE. [OVERLAPPING]
>> I DON'T KNOW THAT PROHIBIT SOMEBODY FROM DOING A DEVELOPMENT, LET'S SAY IN THE TRANSIT DISTRICT THAT HAS LOFTS.
I DON'T THINK THIS WOULD PROHIBIT IT,.
>> BECAUSE I DIDN'T SEE THIS DEFINED TERM IN THE REST OF THE ORDINANCE.
>> THAT'S WHY SOMEONE NEEDS TO SEARCH IT AND SEE IT AND MAKE SURE IT DOESN'T PROHIBIT ANYTHING.
>> YOU DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S A NECESSITY TO HAVE A MAXIMUM?
>> I WAS JUST WONDERING WHY WE HAD THAT.
I UNDERSTAND THAT WHEN WE DO DO APARTMENT COMPLEXES, WE LIST THE RIDE AS LONG AS THERE'S A WAY TO DO THE LOFT DEVELOPMENT IF SOMEONE WANTS TO.
I DON'T THINK DEVELOPMENT MAXIMUM SIZE.
>> I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S SUCH AN ACCEPTABLE PUBLICLY FOCUSED ACTIVITY.
[INAUDIBLE] I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS AND EVEN IF I HAVE AN IDEA AS A DEVELOPER, I KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS.
>> RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE A DEFINITION FOR DENSITY THAT USUALLY REFERS TO RESIDENTIAL DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE.
WE DON'T HAVE THE SAME FOR NON-RESIDENTIAL INTENSITY.
IN YOUR MIXED-USE CENTERS OR COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL CENTERS, YOU NEED SOMETHING TO DEFINE THAT GREATER INTENSITY BESIDES
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JUST ADDITIONAL FLOOR AREA RATIO OR ALLOW FOR MORE TALLER BUILDINGS.>> IT'S THAT GREATER TRANSIT DISTRICT? [OVERLAPPING]
>> THAT'S A LOFT IN. [OVERLAPPING]
>> TALKING ABOUT INTENSITY, [INAUDIBLE] DEFINITION OF IT ANYWHERE.
>> WHAT IS OUR PUBLICLY FOCUSED ACTIVITY LEVEL? BECAUSE IN THE TRANSIT DISTRICT OVERLAY, IT SAYS INTENSITY OF THE SUB-DISTRICT.
I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT FITS WITH THE [INAUDIBLE]. [OVERLAPPING]
>> LIKE A PLAZA, IT'S NOT MY EXAMPLE, WHAT YOU CAN ACTUALLY DO WITH THAT SPACE MAYBE,.THAT'S A [INAUDIBLE]. [OVERLAPPING]
>> THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.
INTENSITY OF CONDOMINIUM DEVELOPMENT.
HOW IS DECIDING HOW MANY UNITS PER ACRE?
>> THAT'S NOT INTENSITY, THAT'S DENSITY. THERE'S A DIFFERENCE. [OVERLAPPING]
>> EXCEPT ON 41B THE WORD INTENSITY IS USED. [OVERLAPPING]
>> INCLUDED IN THAT TABLE INCLUDES RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL. [OVERLAPPING]
>> DENSITY IS REALLY WHAT YOU SHOULD USE, GIVE IT IN THE RESIDENTIAL CONTEXT.
>> BUT THEN THERE'S INTENSITY.
>> YEAH. INTENSITY MAKES SENSE FOR HOW [INAUDIBLE].
>> YEAH. BUT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO CRAMP THAT IN. [OVERLAPPING]
>> CREATES THE ACTIVITY. IT'S THE AMOUNT OF STUFF THAT CREATES PEOPLE AND ACTIVITY WITHIN THE AREA. [OVERLAPPING]
>> RIGHT. IT JUST DOESN'T SEEM TO FIT WITH RESIDENTIALS.
IT IS INTENDED TO ATTRACT LARGE NUMBERS OF PEOPLE.
IF WE TELL THE DEVELOPER THERE'S TOO MUCH INTENSITY, WE DON'T WANT HIGH INTENSITY, WHAT DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH ATTRACTING NUMBERS OF PEOPLE?
WE CAN APPLY IT TO RESIDENTIAL.
>> SHOULDN'T WE EVEN BE CONCERNED WITH IT? [OVERLAPPING]
>> WELL, THE TDO, THE PREFERRED USE, USES INTENSITY SUBJECT TO HIGH MEDIA FLOW AND WE HAVE THAT TERM THAT WE HAVE [INAUDIBLE]. [OVERLAPPING]
>> WELL, I NEVER [INAUDIBLE]. [OVERLAPPING]
>> WE HAVE CONDOMINIUM, TOWN HALL, BROWNSTONE, THOSE ARE MEDIUM INTENSITIES. [OVERLAPPING]
>> BUT THAT REALLY SHOULD BE DIFFERENT.
>> ONE THING [INAUDIBLE]. [OVERLAPPING]
>> DO WE HAVE INTENSITY DEFINED SOMEWHERE ELSE?
>> PROBABLY IT WASN'T DEFINED WHEN WE GOT IT AND THE TRANSIT DISTRICT. [OVERLAPPING]
>> THE TRANSIT DISTRICT WAS ADOPTED WITH NEW LANGUAGE WITHIN [INAUDIBLE]. [OVERLAPPING]
>> THERE WAS SOME NEW DEFINITIONS.
>> WE'RE TRYING TO GO BACK AND DEFINE THOSE WORDS THAT WERE USED THROUGHOUT BEFORE. [OVERLAPPING]
>> IT WOULD BE GOOD IN HERE BECAUSE THIS IS HOW IN THE WORLD WOULD YOU EVER MEASURE SOMETHING LIKE THIS? IT WOULD ENFORCE SOME REGULATIONS. [OVERLAPPING]
>> RIGHT. [INAUDIBLE]. [OVERLAPPING]
>> I OBJECT TO [INAUDIBLE]. [OVERLAPPING]
>> 41B, IF I'M THE DEVELOPER, I WANT TO KNOW HOW MANY UNITS I CAN PUT THERE. [OVERLAPPING]
>> WELL, THAT'S WHAT THE DENSITY [INAUDIBLE]. [OVERLAPPING]
>> LET'S TALK ABOUT THE INTENSITY ON THE TABLE.
IF I'M [INAUDIBLE] MONEY, I WANT TO KNOW, [BACKGROUND] [OVERLAPPING] I WANT SOMEONE TO TELL ME [BACKGROUND] WHAT IS MY BILL THAT'S LIKELY TO BE APPROVED.
>> WELL, THAT WOULD THEN YOU WOULD GO TO THE DENSITY.
>> WELL, I THINK IT'S JUST TRYING TO SHOW LIKE THE INTENSITY, ENTERTAINMENT, ATTRACTIONS, RESTAURANT.
IT'LL BE MEDIUM ALL THE WAY THROUGH WHERE THE TOWN HOME, THE BROWNSTONE, THE TWO AND THE SINGLE FAMILY DETACH IS GOING TO BE LOW, SO I THINK IT'S ALL THAT WALKABILITY, LIVABLE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE THAT YOU'RE CREATING IN A SPACE, AND YOU HAVE TO THINK ABOUT OUR MAP THAT HAS HIGH, MEDIUM, AND LOW, AND THAT'S WHEN IT'S NOT NECESSARILY ALL RESIDENTIAL.
IT'S TALKING ABOUT THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT YOU'RE CREATE, THAT YOU'RE BRINGING TO THE SPACE OR [INAUDIBLE]. [OVERLAPPING]
>> WINERY, RESTAURANT. [OVERLAPPING]
>> IF INTENSITY NEVER APPLIES TO RESIDENTIAL, WE NEED TO DELETE PUBLIC FOCUS.
IF IT WON'T EVER APPLY RESIDENTIAL, THEN WE [INAUDIBLE], WE ALWAYS TALK TERMS INTENSITY FOR RESIDENTIAL, IT'S [INAUDIBLE]. [OVERLAPPING]
>> CHART THAT SHOWS A LOW INTENSITY ON A TWO FAMILY DUPLEX AND A SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED UNDER INTENSITY.
THOSE ARE IT, AND THEN OF COURSE YOU CAN ADD THE ROUND BUT THE MEDIUM, IT'S GOING TO BE THE DUPLEX.
>> THE LIP WORK SPACE IT'S INTERESTING BECAUSE LAST TIME WE DISCUSSED IT, WE HAD FOUR OR FIVE DIFFERENT INTERPRETATIONS IN OURSELVES.
WHEN I READ THIS DEFINITION, THAT'S NOT AT ALL WHAT I THINK THE WORK SPACE. [OVERLAPPING]
>> WHAT IT SAYS A TYPE OF BUILDING THAT SERVES AS BOTH DWELLING AND WORKSPACE.
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BUT THEN THE WORKSPACE SHOULDN'T BE MORE THAN 40% OF THE TOTAL UNIT FLOOR AREA.MEANING, IF I BUY A CONDO, I CAN'T USE MORE THAN 40% AS MY HOME OFFICE? [OVERLAPPING]
>> THE HOME OFFICE WOULDN'T COUNT.
THAT WOULD BE A HOME BASED, THAT'S DIFFERENT.
>> LIKE AN ARTIST. [OVERLAPPING]
>> YOU WOULD HAVE A STORE FRONT WHERE THE PUBLIC COULD COME IN OR IF YOU WERE A HAIRDRESSER AND YOU [OVERLAPPING] HAVE A CHAIR. [OVERLAPPING] > [INAUDIBLE]. [OVERLAPPING]
>> IF THEY WOULD LIVE THERE, YES. [OVERLAPPING]
>> 40% AT THE FRONT WOULD BE THE WORK SPACE AND IN THE BACK WOULD BE LIKE AN ART GALLERY.
>> RIGHT. YOU MIGHT HAVE A ART GALLERY IN THE FRONT AND THEN YOU'RE LIVING SPACE IN THE BACK.
>> IT'S JUST NOT WONDERFUL. NOT A HOME OFFICE.
>> IT'S NOT THE SITUATION WHERE YOU LIVE IN A SEPARATE APARTMENT ABOVE YOUR STORE?
>> YES. BUT THIS IS SOMEONE ACTUALLY LIVING IN THEIR ART GALLERY OR A HAIR SALON.
>> IT COULD BE THAT LOFT EXAMPLE YOU WERE PROVIDING BEFORE.
>> WELL, IT'S IN THE PREFERRED USE MATRIX IN SECTION 41, [OVERLAPPING] WE JUST NEVER DEFINED IT.
>> AND YOU CAN EMPLOY PEOPLE TO WORK IN YOUR HOUSE [LAUGHTER].
>> IT HAS TO BE ON THE STREET LEVEL.
>> OR ANY OTHER LEVEL [BACKGROUND].
>> SUBSECTION 4. THE WORKSPACE SHALL MEET THE FOLLOWING REQUIREMENTS.
IT SHOULD BE A SEPARATE UNIT UNDER A CONDOMINIUM OR A SINGLE UNIT.
SO DOES THAT MEAN IT CAN BE EITHER?
>> WELL, IF IT'S A SINGLE UNIT [OVERLAPPING] THEN 100% OF THE SINGLE UNIT WOULD BE WORKSPACE.
[OVERLAPPING] A SEPARATE UNIT WOULD BE, [INAUDIBLE] ONLY WORKSPACE.
>> SO THE SINGLE UNIT WOULD BE THE WHOLE CONDO ON THE SECOND FLOOR AND THEN THE WHOLE FLOOR WOULD BE 40% WOULD BE THE WORKSPACE OF OUR SEPARATE UNIT?
>> THAT'S A SINGLE UNIT. SO WHAT'S THE SEPARATE UNIT? THE WORKSPACE. THE WORKSPACE SHALL MEET THE FOLLOWING REQUIREMENTS.
IF IT'S A SEPARATE UNIT, THEN THE WORKSPACE IS A SEPARATE UNIT, MEANING 40%, 60% WOULDN'T BE RESIDENTIAL BECAUSE IT'S A SEPARATE UNIT.
>> WELL, I REMEMBER WE'RE NOT NAILING THIS DOWN TONIGHT AND IT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE TO ME IN THE WAY IT'S SET UP.
IT JUST DEPENDS. WHAT'S THE LIKELIHOOD IT'S GOING TO DO THIS? I DON'T KNOW. [OVERLAPPING].
>> DEVELOPERS CAN JUST SET UP THEIR OWN.
>> RIGHT BUT AS A DEVELOPER OR SOMEONE WHO BUILDS THINGS AND I UNDERSTAND IT COMPLETELY SO IT MAKES SENSE TO ME.
>> I DON'T THINK IT MAKES THE SEPARATE UNIT IS SEPARATE, I THINK IT MEANS THE WHOLE CONDO IS GOING TO BE [OVERLAPPING] THE WORKSPACE IS ONE UNIT, AND THEN THAT'S THE 60/40.
I THINK IT'S PUTTING THE WORK AND THE LIVING SEPARATE.
THE WAY I READ IT, IT MEANS THE SEPARATE IS JUST THE WHOLE OF ONE [OVERLAPPING] CONDOMINIUM.
>> WHERE DID WE GET THE 60/40 FROM?
>> FROM THE DIFF [OVERLAPPING].
>> WE'VE GOT TO SAY LIKE WHERE DID WE COME UP WITH IT FROM.
>> SO WE'RE SAYING THEY'RE BASICALLY THE SAME ONLY WHY DO WE HAVE EXTRA WORDS? SEPARATE UNIT OR SINGLE UNIT, IT'S LIKE IF IT MEANS THE SAME THING, WHY DO WE HAVE THIS?
>> IS IT NEEDED, IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING?
>> I SHOULDN'T ASK THAT QUESTION.
>> JUST IF I'M A DEVELOPER'S LAWYER AND I GET DENIED AND THEY SAY BECAUSE OF THIS I'M GOING TO SAY THAT'S NOT CLEAR AT ALL, IT'S SUBJECT TO INTERPRETATION [OVERLAPPING] THINGS SHOULD BE CLEAR AS WE CAN POSSIBLY MAKE THEM.
>> I AGREE. SO YOU'RE JUST SAYING STRIKE OUT A SEPARATE UNIT?
>> SO SOMEONE CAN THINK OF WHAT THAT ADDS TO THE DEFINITION.
>> IT SHOULD BE A SEPARATE UNIT UNDER CONDO OR A SINGLE UNIT.
>> AND THIS IS FOR THE WATER SPACE, RIGHT?
>> COULD THIS BE INTERPRETED AS IT'S JUST A LOCKED OFF AREA? THAT'S THE UNIT WITHIN THE RESIDENTIAL SITE.
SO YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TWO PARTS, RIGHT?
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>> BUT YOU CONVEY A CONDO BY THE UNIT.
SO IF THE UNIT IS JUST THE WORKSPACE, THEN IT DOESN'T MEET THE DEFINITION BECAUSE IT HAS TO BE 60% RESIDENTIAL.
>> SO REALLY IT'S JUST A WORDING ISSUE [OVERLAPPING].
>> WELL, RIGHT, I THINK THAT CREATES MORE CONFUSION.
>> YEAH, THAT'S THE BEST WAY I LOOK AT.
>> SO THE BEST WAY I LOOK AT THAT MYSELF, IT'S THE LOCKED OFF AREA OR A FIREWALL SEPARATION [OVERLAPPING].
>> WELL, YEAH. SO WHEN I'M DEVELOPING MY CONDO AND I'VE GOT A SEPARATE CONVEYED UNIT THAT'S JUST WORKSPACE, THAT DOESN'T MEET THIS REQUIREMENT.
>> YOU COULD JUST SAY IT SHOULD BE A SEPARATE WORKSPACE OR A SEPARATE SPACE VERSUS LIVING SPACE.
>> I JUST THINK WHEN WE USE UNIT AND CONDO, THAT'S A LEGAL TERM.
>> I THINK IT WOULD BE LESS CONFUSING JUST TO NOT HAVE THAT.
>> BECAUSE THE DEVELOPER IS GOING TO DIVVY UP THEIR UNITS IF THEY'RE GOING TO BE CONDUCIVE OR NOT.
I THINK IT WOULD BE LESS CONFUSING JUST TO NOT HAVE THAT LANGUAGE.
>> HOW'S THE FIRE MARSHAL GOING TO LOOK AT IT? IS IT A SEPARATE INSPECTABLE AREA AS A UNIT?
>> NO, THAT'S PART OF THE DOOR.
>> YOU'RE SELLING [OVERLAPPING] WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE IT A UNIT.
THAT'S THE PART THAT'S CONVEYED.
SO THIS IS TELLING THE DEVELOPER HOW THEY HAVE TO DIVVY UP WHAT THEY'RE SELLING TO PEOPLE, NOT WHAT THE FIRE MARSHAL, NOT WHERE THE DOOR IS, JUST THIS IS WHAT I'M SELLING TO YOU, CONDOMINIUM UNIT.
>> I DON'T THINK WHEN THIS WAS DRAFTED IT WASN'T MEANT TO GET INTO THE DICTATING HOW OWNERSHIP OCCURS.
SO IF IT'S CONFUSING AND NOT NEEDED, WE CAN REMOVE IT.
>> BECAUSE THE UNIT IS HOW OWNERSHIP OCCURS.
>> SHE'S THINKING THAT THIS IS SAYING THAT THE LIVE SPACE HAS TO BE ONE CONDOMINIUM AND THE WORKSPACE ANOTHER WHICH IS SEPARATE ONE.
IT'S WHAT SHE WAS THINKING [OVERLAPPING] AND THAT IT NEEDS TO BE BOTH, IT ALL HAS TO BE TOGETHER BECAUSE THAT MAKES IT A LIVE WORKSPACE.
IT'S ONE SPACE. THAT'S WHAT I MEAN.
I THINK THAT'S WHAT SHE'S TRYING TO SAY.
>> SO IT SHOULD BE, TAKE OUT THE SEPARATE UNIT UNDER.
IT SHOULD JUST BASICALLY BE [OVERLAPPING].
>> ONE BIG UNIT AND THE HOUSE DIVIDED UP AND THEN IT'S UP TO THEM AND UP TO WHAT THEY'RE DOING.
>> DO YOU BELIEVE IT'S NECESSARY TO HAVE A PERCENTAGE DEDICATED TO LIVING SPACE VERSUS WORKSPACE?
>> IS THERE A STANDARD FOR THIS?
>> WELL, I THINK WE NEED [OVERLAPPING].
>> BACK TO THE ISSUE OF CLARITY.
>> WELL, OTHERWISE [OVERLAPPING] YOU MAKE YOURSELF A LITTLE BIT BIG ENOUGH FOR A TWIN BED [OVERLAPPING].
>> YOU ARE LIVING IN A SMALL ROOM.
>> WITHOUT THE PERCENTAGE YOU'RE SAYING, YEAH, YOU CAN DO THAT.
>> YOU KNOW YOU HAVE ALL THE CONGRESSMEN SLEEPING IN THEIR OFFICES?
>> THERE NEEDS TO BE SOMETHING. DEFINITELY IT CAN'T BE MORE THAN THIS.
>> [OVERLAPPING] OF THE PEOPLE FROM LIVING IN A CLOSET.
>> THE WORKSPACE SHOULDN'T BE MORE THAN THE LIVING SPACE.
>> THE OWNER HERE, YOU DON'T HAVE, YOU'RE NOT HAVING A HOME OFFICE, SO THAT MEANS YOU'RE INVITING PEOPLE IN.
>> YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A DOOR TO THE OUTSIDE [OVERLAPPING] YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A LITTLE STOREFRONT, WHETHER IT'S JUST A DOOR AND A WINDOW OR A STORE, WHATEVER, AND THEN YOU WALK INTO YOUR WHATEVER SPACE.
>> IT COULD BE YOUR LITTLE REAL ESTATE OFFICE.
>> AND IT TOTALLY COULD BE TWO STORIES.
AND YOU COULD WALK UPSTAIRS TO YOUR APARTMENT BUT IT HAS TO BE 60% VERSUS 40%.
>> DOESN'T SAY IT HAS TO BE ONE STORY HERE [OVERLAPPING].
>> IT HAS TO BE ON THE STREET LEVEL.
>> I THINK I READ IT DIFFERENTLY.
>> NO, THAT'S WHAT IT'S SAYING.
IT SHOULD BE UNDER [OVERLAPPING].
>> IT SHOULD BE CONSTRUCTED ON THE STREET LEVEL.
>> SO YOU CAN'T [OVERLAPPING].
>> IT CAN BE A COMMERCIAL RENTAL CENTER.
>> YEAH, IT CAN BE. YOU CAN LIVE BEHIND IT OR YOU COULD LIVE UP.
>> BUT THE STOREFRONT [OVERLAPPING].
>> THIS IS THE WORKSPACE SHALL MEET.
>> IT SHOULD BE CONSTRUCTED ON THE STREET LEVEL.
>>SO YOU'VE GOT YOUR OFFICE, YOU'VE GOT YOUR BUSINESS DOWN HERE?
>> WOULDN'T YOU HAVE EQUAL SPACE UP ABOVE IT?
>> YOU COULD HAVE SOME OF THE BOTTOM LEVEL AS YOUR LIVING SPACE AND THEN ALL OF THE NEXT LEVEL.
>> THE UPPER LEVEL COULD HAVE AN EXTERIOR DECK OVER THE TOP OF IT.
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>> I THINK THE COMMERCIAL SPACE SHOULD BE UPSTREET LEVEL.
>> AND IT NEEDS TO HAVE A MAXIMUM.
IT CAN'T BE MORE THAN, I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE IT CAN'T BE MORE THAN 50%. I DON'T KNOW.
>> OR ELSE YOU END UP WITH BEST PROBLEM.
SOMEBODY LIVING IN A COOK CLOSET.
>> YEAH, THERE NEEDS TO BE A MAX.
>> I THINK 50/50 WOULD BE OKAY.
>> WELL, IT MAKES IT REAL SIMPLE [OVERLAPPING] IT SIMPLIFIES THINGS.
>> AND IT HAS TO BE 50/50 BUT THAT'S AS BIG.
THE WORKSPACE CAN ONLY BE UP TO S0% OF THE MAXIMUM.
>> 70/30, WHATEVER. YOU JUST DON'T NEED THE WORKSPACE TO BE MORE THAN THE LIVING SPACE.
>> OKAY, I'LL MAKE THOSE CHANGES.
>> THERE WEREN'T ANY CHANGES TO THE BROWNSTONE OR CONDOMINIUM PROPOSED DISTRICTS.
I DIDN'T DO IT ALL UNDERLINED BLUE BECAUSE IT WAS A LOT OF BLUE AND VISUALLY IT WAS JUST A LOT.
SO I DID THAT IN JUST NORMAL BLACK INK.
HOWEVER, THE ONE CHANGE TO THE EXTERIOR BUILDING MATERIAL FINISHES WAS MADE.
DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT LANGUAGE THAT WAS MODIFIED?
>> NOTHING YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT.
>> AND THEN I BELIEVE WE'VE CORRECTED ALL OF THE PROPOSED DENSITIES FOR THE TOWN HOME DISTRICT, BROWNSTONE, AND CONDOMINIUM THROUGHOUT. IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE?
>> WHAT'S THE NEXT STEP FOR THIS?
>> THE NEXT STEP IS REALLY TO GET THE DEFINITIONS, QUESTIONS ANSWERED AND GET IT IN A FORMAT WHEN YOU'RE READY TO RECOMMEND OR HAVE US BRING IT BEFORE COUNCIL FOR THEM TO CALL A PUBLIC HEARING.
EITHER TO WORKSHOP IT WITH THEM OR ASK THEM TO CALL A PUBLIC HEARING.
>> I WOULD RECOMMEND A WORKSHOP TO GET THAT MAIL NAILED DOWN BEFORE YOU GET EMBARRASSED IN THE COUNCIL MEETING FIRST OFF.
>> BECAUSE THEY NEED TO BE ON BOARD BEFORE THAT HEARING POINT.
>> NOW, MOVING ON TO OUR THIRD WORKSHOP ITEM,
[3. Hold a discussion and provide staff direction regarding proposed amendments to the Comprehensive Master Plan (1974-1994, updated 1987) of the City of Grapevine Ordinance (87-11). ]
WHICH IS THE TWO CENTRAL NORTHEAST COMPLETING THAT ASSESSMENT AREA AND THE CENTRAL NORTHWEST.LOOKING AT OUR FUTURE LAND USE MAP AND THOSE FUTURE LAND USE CATEGORIES FIRST.
PROVIDED FOR YOU IN YOUR BACKUP MATERIALS WE AGAIN PROVIDED THE ASSESSMENT AREA MAP JUST TO ORIENT YOU TO WHERE WE ARE, TO JUST EAST AND WEST OF OUR CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT.
ON THAT SECOND SHEET, WE ALSO THIS TIME INCLUDED SUBSECTION E OF SECTION 4 OF THE COMP PLAN, SO YOU KNEW ALL OF THE FUTURE LAND USE CATEGORIES THAT YOU HAVE AVAILABLE.
REMEMBER, WE AMENDED THOSE AT THE END OF 2023.
THAT COMMUNITY MIXED-USE IS NO LONGER THERE, THE INDUSTRIAL/COMMERCIAL IS NO LONGER THERE.
THIS TABLE IS REALLY SIMPLIFIED, SO THAT'S REALLY THERE FOR YOU TO REFERENCE.
THEN WE ALSO PROVIDED YOU A TABLE OF THE SUMMARY OF PROPOSED CHANGES FROM THAT JANUARY 16TH WORKSHOP.
ARE THERE ANY COMMENTS, OR QUESTIONS, OR CORRECTIONS TO THAT SUMMARY TABLE? I THINK IT'S THE THIRD OR FOURTH SHEET.
I DO KNOW THAT WHEN WE GOT DOWN OVER THERE BY FAITH CHRISTIAN SCHOOL, IT'S HIGHLIGHTED AND ALL CAPS IN THE YELLOW, STILL UNDER REVIEW.
I THINK THAT WAS WHEN WE WERE MOVING INTO OUR REGULAR BRIEFING SESSION TIME AND WE DECIDED TO END THE WORKSHOP FOR A BATHROOM BREAK.
I WAS JUST DRIVING AROUND THERE BEFORE THE MEETING AND I MEAN, ACROSS THE STREET, YOU'VE GOT WAREHOUSES, YOU'VE GOT A FEW LITTLE RESIDENCES IN THERE, YOU'VE GOT SOME LIGHT INDUSTRIAL BEHIND.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT SHOULD BE FOR SCHOOLS ON THERE.
>> THE ONLY COMMENT I HAD, I THOUGHT THAT WE HAD CHANGED COLLEGE STREET, WHERE THE WINERY IS.
THE PART THAT FRONTS ON COLLEGE STREET I THOUGHT THAT WAS GOING TO BE RESIDENTIAL AND THEN THAT WOULD BE COMMERCIAL.
>> WHERE THE WINERY IS BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT IT THE WINERY DOES WHAT YOU WOULD WANT.
>> CURRENTLY THAT'S WHAT IT IS.
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>> RIGHT, BUT THAT'S NOT CORRECT.
>> WE DON'T WANT LOW-INTENSITY COMMERCIAL THERE IN THE MIDDLE OF RESIDENTIAL.
>> I THINK IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE RESIDENT.
>> 416 EAST COLLEGE TO LOW-INTENSITY RESIDENTIAL.
>> THAT ONE WASN'T EVEN ON THE TABLE.
>> ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR MODIFICATIONS TO THE SUMMARY TABLE FROM THE 16TH? DO WE WANT TO PICK BACK UP WHERE WE LEFT OFF AT ABOUT 730 EAST WORTH STREET THEN?
>> I LOVE WHAT GOOGLE MAPS HAS FOR 730.
>> THERE'S A FAMILY ACROSS THE STREET.
>> I THINK YOU WANT SOME OF IT TO BE RESIDENTIAL LOW TOWARDS THE BACK AND I DON'T KNOW.
I COULD SEE MEDIUM ALONG THE ROAD.
>> YOU AT LEAST WANT THE BACK PART TO BE LOW RESIDENTIAL, AT LEAST.
>> ARE WE ON WORTH STREET OR DALLAS ROAD?
>> I BELIEVE IT'S MORE THAT WE'RE ON THE GU1.
I DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU MAKE THE LINE OR IF YOU WANT IT ALL OR SOMETHING.
>> I BELIEVE THAT'S ALL ONE PARCEL OR LOT.
MAYBE RESIDENTIAL ON THE NORTH SIDE AND THEN ALONG DALLAS IT SHOULD BE SOMETHING ELSE.
>> I MEAN, I CAN SEE MEDIUM DENSITY AND THEN RESIDENTIAL, HIGH DENSITY.
>> I MEAN, THE TRANSIT DISTRICT JUST GOES ALONG DALLAS UP TO.
>> WHAT'S THAT RED LINE? THAT BIG DIFFERENT LINE.
>> THE RED LINE IS THE ASSESSMENT AREA SO I CAN TURN THAT OFF.
TRYING TO GET THE LABELS TO TURN OFF.
>> SHE CAN PUT THE TRANSIT DISTRICT UP THERE.
>> WHEN IT CATCHES UP WITH YOU.
>> WHEN IT CATCHES UP YOU KNOW IT'S NOT AS FAST AS YOU ARE.
>> PUT IT OFF. GO AWAY. THERE WE GO.
>> WILL YOU PUT THE LINE FOR THE TRANSIT DISTRICT?
>> THE RED IS THE TRANSIT DISTRICT.
>> EITHER PUT IT ALL RESIDENTIAL LOW, OR YOU PUT A STRIP OF MEDIUM, OR SOMETHING ALONG THE ROAD IN MY OPINION. THAT'S MY OPINION.
>> I THINK MEDIUM JUST ALONG THE ROAD, RESIDENTIAL IN THE BACK.
>> ARE WE JUST TALKING ABOUT THE GU RIGHT NOW?
>> I WOULD JUST MAKE IT ALL RATHER I MEAN, THIS IS RAILROAD PROBABLY JUST MAKES IT ALL RESIDENTIAL.
>> IT ALREADY CURRENTLY IS RESIDENTIAL.
>> THAT MAKES IT ALL RESIDENTIAL ALL THE WAY TO THE RAILROAD.
>> BELOW 75, I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT IT IS CURRENTLY.
>> THEN DID WE DO THE APARTMENTS NEXT TO THAT? ARE THOSE RESIDENTIAL ALSO?
>> I MEAN, IT'S ALREADY EXISTING SO FOR RMF 2 AND THEN IT'S FUTURE LAND USE FOR RESIDENTIAL HIGH DENSITY.
>> I WOULD LEAVE IT AS IT CURRENTLY IS.
>> REDEVELOPMENT OF SORTS MIGHT PROBABLY COME IN FOR IT.
>> KEEP THAT GROUPING OF I THINK TO THE EAST OF THE GU, BETSY, THOSE ARE MULTIFAMILY, BUT THEN PART OF THAT FURTHER TO THE EAST THEY'RE GRACE OFFICES RIGHT IN THERE.
>> THE BUSINESS [OVERLAPPING]. CAN WE ZOOM IN?
>> YOU WANT TO KNOW WHO OWNS IT?
>> THAT'S NOT CORRECT. [OVERLAPPING].
>> TO THE EAST TO THE EAST OF THAT, THAT'S COMMERCIAL AS BUSINESS PARTNER CURRENTLY.
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>> I'VE GONE SOUTH AROUND FAITH CHRISTIAN, AND I'M GOING TO IN THAT AREA.
>> WELL, FUTURE LAND USE [INAUDIBLE] THANK YOU.
>> SO WHY WOULDN'T WE FUTURE LAND USE THAT ONE RL AS WELL?
>> I'M TOTALLY FOR THAT. I DON'T KNOW.
>> THEY CAN COME BACK TO SAME USE THEY ONCE LEFT.
>> CAN YOU-ALL READ THAT? [OVERLAPPING]
>> YES. IT'S THE OTHER COMMERCIAL CENTER TOO.
>> YOU HAVE WALNUT AND THEN YOU HAVE 1036.
>> AND THAT'S RESIDENTIAL HIGH AND RESIDENTIAL LOW INTENSITY.
>> BECAUSE THOSE THINGS ARE ADDRESSED OFF OF TEXAN TRAIL.
>> RIGHT HERE, THAT'S A COMMERCIAL.
RIGHT THERE, COMMERCIAL, MOUSE.
>> WE JUST NEED TO CLEAN IT UP. [OVERLAPPING].
>> THAT'S THE ONLY THING, I WAS PUTTING THAT COMMERCIAL RIGHT UP AGAINST LOW INTENSITY RESIDENTIAL POTENTIAL.
IT IS OVER HERE TOO. BUT IT'S ALL BUSINESS PARK RIGHT NOW SO THAT'S GOOD UP AGAINST RESIDENTIAL [OVERLAPPING].
>> I DON'T KNOW. ABOUT WHAT? WHERE ARE WE AT?
IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S MOSTLY RESIDENTIAL, LOW INTENSITY, BUT THEN PART OF IT HAS A PARKING AREA AND AN OPEN SPACE AREA, IT HAS HIGH INTENSITY FOR SOME REASON, BUT THAT'S DEFINITELY NOT A RESIDENTIAL USE. [OVERLAPPING]
>> I WOULD THINK ALONG TEXAN IT WOULD BE WHAT WE HAD DONE AT THE NORTH.
>> YEAH, WE CHANGED IT TO TOP COMMERCIAL.
>> SO WHY WOULDN'T WE CHANGE THAT TO COMMERCIAL?
>> THIS COULDN'T CHANGE TO COMMERCIAL.
IT HAS TEXAN TRAIL ADDRESS, BUT IT'S REALLY NOT TEXAN TRAIL.
>> IT'S EASIER TO SEE ON YOURS?
>> I'M VERY FAR BACK THERE IN MINE.
IT'S PART OF THE OFFICE PARK, SO THAT WOULD GO TO COMMERCIAL THEN.
>> YOU CAN ALSO ACCESS IT FROM DOWN HERE TOO.
>> I CAN'T. SHE'S GOT IT UP TOO CLOSE.
>> THIS IS TEXAN. THIS IS WHAT IT CURRENTLY IS.
THIS IS WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT LAST TIME.
>> THAT ONE LITTLE CORNER THERE.
BECAUSE IT'S PART OF THE BIGGER DEVELOPMENT.
>> WE CHANGED ALL THAT TO COMMERCIAL LAST TIME.
WAS ALL OF THAT BUILT WITH THAT DEVELOPMENT?
>> ALBERT, WAS THAT SOUTHERN LOT [OVERLAPPING].
>> THAT ONE. YEAH. WAS THAT PART OF THE OFFICE PARK?
>> CURRENTLY BUSINESS PARK ZONE.
>> WHAT IS IT? JUST AN OFFICE?
>> IT'S BP, IT'S ZONED BUSINESS PARK.
>> DOES ANYBODY KNOW WHAT'S THERE NOW?
>> I'M SORRY. ALL THIS CONNECTION IS JUST [INAUDIBLE].
>> WE NEED SOME BETTER INTERNET.
>> WHAT ADDRESS ARE WE LOOKING AT? I'M TRYING TO SEE.
>> I THINK IT'S 1036 OR 1038 TEXAN.
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HISTORYMAKER HOMES, RENDITION HOMES.>> 1038, 1036, AND 1034 ARE ALL ZONED BUSINESS PARK.
>> THAT MAKES SENSE. [BACKGROUND].
>> BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT [INAUDIBLE] RESIDENTIAL.
>> I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S ALL GOING TO BE CHANGED RESIDENTIAL.
>> I DON'T THINK SO EITHER. BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT GOING TO END UP WITH RESIDENTIAL THAT RUNS THERE IN BETWEEN THE APARTMENTS AND THEN THAT OTHER STUFF.
>> IS IT VERY UNPOPULATED THAN OTHERS? KEEP IT AS IT IS.
>> I DON'T FIND IT TO BE A BUSINESS PARK.
>> ON THE BUSINESS PARK DISTRICT, BUT WE'RE NOT TALKING IN SOME DISTRICTS.
>> WE'RE TALKING [OVERLAPPING] LAND USE.
>> SO WHAT WOULD THE LAND BE? [OVERLAPPING]
>> THAT'S WHAT IT ALREADY IS. WE GOT IT SET UP THAT WAY FROM LAST TIME.
>> SO IT SHOULD GO AROUND THAT.
>> YEAH, JUST PICK UP ALL THE BUSINESS PARK AND PUT IT IN COMMERCIAL AND CUT THAT OFF, THE RESIDENTIAL AREA.
WE'RE ALREADY PUTTING AN APARTMENT IN THE COMMERCIAL TOO, WHICH I THINK WE'RE GONG TO GET SOME PUSHBACK ON THAT LATER.
>> SO OUR H AND RL TO COMMERCIAL FOR 1034, 1036, AND 1038 TEXAN TRAIL.
>> I THINK WE HAD COMPLETED THAT CORNER.
SO IF WE WANT TO HEAD WEST TO 729 EAST DALLAS, WHICH IS JUST SOUTH OF THE RAILROAD.
>> YES, IT'S THE OTHER I GUESS THE UPPER SCHOOL [INAUDIBLE].
>> THAT IS IC, THE INDUSTRIAL COMMERCIAL CATEGORY THAT WE REMOVED FROM THE TABLE.
>> IS THAT A CLASSROOM FACILITY? [OVERLAPPING]
>> WELL, I DON'T THINK IT IS COMMERCIAL.
>> DO WE MAKE IT COMMERCIAL MIXED USE, LIKE EVERYTHING ELSE IT'S GOING TO BE ON?
>> BECAUSE THAT'S REALLY GOING TO BE THE DISTRICT, [OVERLAPPING] PART OF THE DISTRICT
>> BUT WE'RE GOING TO KEEP COMMERCIAL MIXED USE.
>> WHAT DO WE HAVE UP THERE? WHAT DO WE HAVE AVAILABLE?
>> [OVERLAPPING] DIDN'T WE CHANGE [INAUDIBLE]?
>> THE ADDRESSES OVER HERE [INAUDIBLE].
>> WHEN WE DID THE FIRST CORRECTION, I THOUGHT WE CHANGED SOME OF THIS
>> [OVERLAPPING] AND THAT'S [INAUDIBLE].
AND THAT'S OUTSIDE OF THE TRANSIT.
>> THAT IS, YES. [OVERLAPPING]
>> WE LOOK OUT AT WHAT THEY ARE.
>> THIS IS NOT IN THE TRANSIT DISTRICT.
IF YOU THINK ABOUT, IF IT WAS PART OF THE TRANSIT DISTRICT, WHICH IT REALLY PROBABLY SHOULD BE.
>> WHY WOULDN'T IT BE IN THE TRANSIT DISTRICT? [OVERLAPPING].
>> IT REALLY SHOULD BE. SO IF IT WAS PART OF THE TRANSIT DISTRICT, WHAT WOULD YOU WANT IT TO BE? I COULD SEE IT AS MEDIUM AND DENSITY RESIDENTIAL, PERSONAL.
>> IT'S PRESENTLY ZONED BY INDUSTRIAL.
I COULD SEE IT IS A RESIDENTIAL, BUT IT MIGHT BE A [OVERLAPPING].
>> ON THE OTHER HALF OF THE SCHOOL ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE RAILROAD TRACKS IS ALL [INAUDIBLE].
>> I THINK THEY'RE PICKING UP SOME OF THIS OTHER PROPERTY TOO IN THERE.
>> I'M STILL CONCERNED ABOUT THE LAND USE MAP WITH SOMEBODY CHANGING IT [OVERLAPPING].
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TRUE FOR THE BUSINESS OWNERS IN THE FUTURE [INAUDIBLE].>> ARE YOU SURE THE SCHOOL DISTRICT DOESN'T CARE ABOUT HAVING LAND INDUSTRIAL IN THE ZONING CATEGORY.
>> TO THE RIGHT OF EAST OF DAWN LANE, THOSE TWO PARCELS ARE WHAT? THEY'RE BUT AGAINST THE RL.
>> I THINK THEY'RE OWNED BY FAITH.
>> THE LITTLE CORNER TO THE RIGHT OF PARK DAWN, IT'S OWNED BY FAITH CHRISTIAN, THEY LEASE IT TO ANOTHER ENTITY.
>> YOU GOT TO BE HERE A LONG TIME.
>> I GUESS THERE'S SOME CRAPPY JOKES IN THAT, BUT IT WOULDN'T SLIDE. [LAUGHTER]
>> WELL, YOU DID [INAUDIBLE] [LAUGHTER] [OVERLAPPING]
>> I'M NOT HEARING ANY SUGGESTIONS [INAUDIBLE]
>> THE SCHOOL MAKES IT TOUGH BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO BE A SCHOOL.
>> I THINK IT SHOULD JUST THE SAME WITH WHAT WE'VE GOT THE SCHOOL.
>> WE'LL PUT IT ON ON OVER THERE TO THE RESIDENTIAL
>> GU IS PROPOSED FOR FUTURE MAINTENANCE.
>> SO TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE WORTH STREET ELEMENTARY SCHOOL AND FOOTBALL FIELD, IT WOULD BE CHANGING IT TO RESIDENTIAL [INAUDIBLE].
>> SO WOULD THAT BE THE ENTIRE AREA YOU SEE RIGHT NOW WITH IC, OR JUST THE SCHOOL OWNED PROPERTIES?
>> I THINK YOU INCLUDE THE THINGS TO THE EAST. [OVERLAPPING]
>> YOU HAVE TO GO ON ALL THE WAY OVER.
>> 611 EAST DALLAS, 617, 623, 701, 729, AND THEN 849 EAST DALLAS, AND THEN 827 DAWN.
>> I'D LIKE TO SEE IT AS MEDIUM, BUT THAT'S JUST ME.
>> WELL, IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT TRANSIT, YOU HAVE TO THINK ABOUT IT AS TRANSIT DISTRICT.
>> WELL, I WAS THINKING COMMERCIAL.
>> YOU WANT TO CENTRALIZE ALL YOUR COMMERCIAL MORE IN THE HUB OF IT.
>> I WOULD AGREE. I'D RATHER SEE IT MEDIUM THAN [INAUDIBLE]. [OVERLAPPING]
>> SOME OF IT. I'D LIKE TO SEE SOME OF IT AS MEDIUM.
>> WHICH, AND RIGHT NOW, THE TRANSIT DISTRICT OVERLAY GOES OVER THE TOP OF IT, SO WHATEVER ZONE YOU PUT ON IT DOESN'T EVEN REALLY MATTER TOO MUCH UNTIL WE GET THAT CHANGED.
>> NO, IT DOESN'T GO ON TOP OF IT.
YEAH. IT SHOULD CHANGE TO BE ALL OF IT.
>> IT'S WEIRD THAT IT HUGS THAT LITTLE AREA.
>> I THINK WHEN WE DID IT, WE LEFT IT OUT BECAUSE IT WAS THE CHURCH, THE SCHOOL STUFF.
>> I WOULDN'T MIND MEDIUM. I AGREE.
>> RESIDENTIAL MEDIUM DISTRICT.
>> WE'RE GETTING YOU WANT TO DO THE CENTRAL WEST?
>> WE COMPLETED CENTRAL NORTHEAST.
>> LET'S GO OVER TO CENTRAL NORTHWEST.
>> THIS ONE IS A PRETTY BIG CHUNK.
>> YEAH, IT SURE IS. [LAUGHTER].
>> NORTHWEST HIGHWAY, 114, IRA E WOODS, AND THEN TATE AVENUE.
YOU WANT TO START OVER HERE, YOU WANT TO START MOVING EAST TO WEST? WHAT DO YOU WANT TO DO?
>> EAST TO WEST, IT'S WHAT WE'VE BEEN THINKING ABOUT.
>> LET'S START WITH WHAT IS THAT? THAT'S THE WEST SIDE OF SOUTH CHURCH STREET.
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>> THAT'S CBD AND THIS IS NORTHWEST HIGHWAY, WALL STREET, SCRIBNER, BALL.
THIS IS THE RIGHT CONSTRUCTION, I THINK.
WOULD IT HELP IF I TURN ON THE AERIAL?
>> THAT STAR PLACE, ISN'T THAT THE [OVERLAPPING].
>> THAT'S WHERE IT SAYS WEST TEXAS.
>> SO WE'RE STARTING IN THAT CORNER RIGHT THERE IN THE UPPER RIGHT.
>> THEN THERE'S THE HOUSE THAT'S IN FRONT OF IT THAT ONE LIVES.
WHERE'S THAT RESIDENTIAL? NO, THE NEXT ONE.
THAT'S A RESIDENTIAL HOUSE THAT'S BY IT AND THEN YOU HAVE THE COMMERCIAL STUFF.
>> SO RIGHT NOW IT'S ALL ZONED COMMERCIAL?
>> WELL, IT'S ALL ZONED HIGHWAY COMMERCIAL, BUT THE FUTURE LAND USE IS COMMERCIAL,.
>> DOES THE GOVERNMENT HOUSING NEED TO BE GOVERNMENT?
>> IT'S ZONED TO GOVERNMENTAL USE CURRENTLY, BUT YEAH.
>> [OVERLAPPING] IT'S NOT LIKE THEY'RE GOING TO PLAN DOWN HERE.
THAT'S GOVERNMENT HOUSING INDUSTRY.
>> SO THAT WOULD BE GOVERNMENT AT LEAST.
>> I BELIEVE IT IS COMMERCIAL.
>> YEAH. BECAUSE IT'S NOT LIKE THAT HOUSING [OVERLAPPING].
>> YEAH. SOMETHING BIGGER AND BETTER COULD BE BUILT OR BE LOCATED OVER THERE.
>> WELL, I THINK THEY'RE STILL DISCUSSING IT.
>> I THINK COMMERCIAL. WE CAN'T ASSUME THAT GOVERNMENT HOUSING WILL ALWAYS STAY THROUGH THAT SPOT.
BUT JUST IF FOR WHATEVER REASON, [OVERLAPPING] WHAT'S IN THERE, WHAT ELSE COULD IT BE?
>> WE REALLY WOULDN'T WANT RESIDENTIAL OR GOVERNMENT TO GO.
>> THEN ALL THAT ALONG THERE IS COMMERCIAL.
>> JUST ALL ALONG NORTHWEST HIGHWAY THERE, AND THEN THE WALL WOULD BE THE DIVIDER.
>> THEN YOU HAVE THAT BLUE IS FLOW INTENSITY COMMERCIAL ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF WALL.
THERE'S SOME NORTH OF THAT OTHER GU WHICH IS ALSO HOUSING AUTHORITY FOR SEVERAL HOMES.
>> THEY'RE ALONG CHURCH STREET [OVERLAPPING] AND REBUILD.
>> BUT THOSE ARE SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED HOMES.
>> IT'S LOW-INTENSITY COMMERCIAL.
>> WE WANT TO CHANGE THAT TOO.
>> RESIDENTIAL. [NOISE] [BACKGROUND]
>> 206, 210, AND 214 SOUTH CHURCH.
>> COME OUT 232. THOSE THREE WERE TURNING TO RESIDENTIAL?
>> YES. THE HOUSE AT THE HARD CORNER, THAT WAS ALL ONE LOT AND THEY SUBDIVIDED IT AND BUILT 210 AND 214.
>> GIVEN THAT THE PROPERTIES TO THE WEST OF THOSE THREE ARE BASICALLY HOMES THAT ARE USED AS OFFICES, WOULDN'T WE WANT TO MAKE THAT LITTLE STRETCH RESIDENTIAL IN THE FUTURE?
>> I DON'T THINK THEY'RE ALL [INAUDIBLE].
>> FOUR-SEVENTEEN IS A FORMER CHURCH.
>> FOUR O NINE IS A BIRTHING CENTER.
>> BUT IT'S BUILT AS A RESIDENCE.
>> [OVERLAPPING] IT LOOKS LIKE A RESIDENCE, BUT IT'S BUILT COMMERCIAL.
>> LOOK AT THE WAY IT'S POSITIONED IN THE PARKING LOT, IT'S NOT A RIGHT WAY.
>> THAT WAS NEWER CONSTRUCTION?
>> I WOULD ASSUME JUST BY LOOKING AT IT, [OVERLAPPING] JUST THE WAY IT'S BUILT.
>> IT'S MAYOR'S HOUSE [OVERLAPPING] WAY, WAY BACK.
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>> NO. IT WAS BUILT BACK TO LOOK LIKE IT.
>> THERE WAS A RESTAURANT IN THERE ONCE.
I GOT TO GO TAKE CARE OF THE CONTENT.
>> DO YOU BELIEVE THAT EVERYTHING ALONG ON THAT SOUTH SIDE OF WEST WALL, WEST OF THOSE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES ON SOUTH CHURCH, SHOULD BE RESIDENTIAL, LOW INTENSITY OR STAY AS LOW INTENSITY COMMERCIAL STATE? LEAVE IT.
>> WE GOT INDUSTRIAL RIGHT THERE.
>> THEN WE GOT IN THE [INAUDIBLE].
>> THE THING IS IF SOMEBODY DOES WANT TO GO IN AND TURN TO RESIDENTIAL, THE CITY COUNCIL IS PROBABLY NOT GOING TO GET A WHOLE LOT OF PUSHBACK AT SOME POINT DOWN THE ROAD.
>> I'D RATHER SEE THAT BECOME RESIDENTIAL, LONG TERM.
>> WE'RE GETTING PUSHBACK FROM PROPERTY OWNERS THAT OWN COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES AND WE'RE HERE SAYING, WE WANT TO TURN RESIDENTIAL AND THEY'RE NOT LIKING IT BECAUSE THERE'S PEOPLE THAT MISUNDERSTAND WHAT THE POLICY IS.
>> NOT JUST THOSE PEOPLE, PEOPLE THAT ARE ON COUNCIL DON'T THINK THAT WAY EITHER.
SO THE POINT IS, IS IF WE START CHANGING THOSE TYPES OF THINGS AND HERE'S THE THING, WE'RE GOING TO CHANGE ON THIS AND THERE'S A VERY GOOD CHANCE THEY'RE GOING TO BE LIKE, NO, WE'RE NOT DOING THAT.
WE SHOULDN'T GET TOO FAR IN THE WEEDS ON THIS.
UNLESS IT'S JUST RIGHT OUT THERE, BOWL IN YOUR FACE, WE SHOULD MOVE ON TO THE NEXT THING REALLY.
>> WELL, ISN'T OUR JOB TO GET IN THE WEEDS THOUGH, GOING TRACT BY TRACT. THAT'S THE WEEDS.
>> THE WEEDS IS DECIDING WHETHER IT WAS A HOUSE AT ONE POINT OR NOT.
[OVERLAPPING] WHERE ARE YOU GOING TO SEE IT IN THE NEXT 5, 10 YEARS? IT'S GOING TO STAY COMMERCIAL.
WE'RE GOING TO RE EVALUATE THESE THINGS EVERY 2, 3, 4, 5 YEARS, SO WE'RE NOT THINKING WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE IN 20 OR 25 YEARS.
WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE IN THE NEAR FUTURE IS GOING TO BE A PROFESSIONAL OFFICE FOR A WHILE.
WE DON'T WANT TO START PLAYING THAT GAME.
>> BUT THAT'S THE GAME WE'RE PLAYING FOR THIS WHOLE MATH, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING. [OVERLAPPING]
>> WE [INAUDIBLE] FOR THE SCHOOL.
>> I KNOW, I DIDN'T AGREE WITH IT. [LAUGHTER]
>> THIS WHOLE EXERCISE IS IF THIS WASN'T THERE AND WE COULD HAVE IN OUR DREAM WORLD.
>> THE DREAM WORLD IS NOT RIGHT, THAT'S NOT RIGHT.
[OVERLAPPING] IT NEEDS TO BE WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE MOST LIKELY, NOT WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT'S GOING TO BE IN 5-10 YEARS, [OVERLAPPING] AND THEN YOU RE-EVALUATE.
>> WHAT DO YOU THINK IT'S GOING TO BE AND WHAT WOULD WE WANT IT TO BE?
>> I DON'T WANT TO SEE IN THE MIDDLE OF TOWN.
>> BUT WE DON'T GET TO DECIDE THAT HERE, THAT'S FOR THE CITY COUNCIL.
I'M TELLING YOU, WE'RE GOING TO GO PLAY THIS GAME WITH ALL THIS AND THEY'RE GOING TO SAY, NO, NO, YOU CAN'T DO THAT.
WE ALREADY HAD A CONVERSATION.
>> WE'RE TASKED WITH WORKING ON THE FUTURE LAND USE MATTER, KEEPING IT UP TODAY.
>> I'VE SPENT QUITE A BIT OF TIME ON IT.
>> THE REST OF THE TIME, WE'VE BEEN GOING TRACT BY TRACT AND THAT'S WHAT IT IS.
WE COULD SAY THE FUTURE LAND USE IS WHATEVER IT IS NOW.
>> YOU WANT TO HAVE RESIDENTIAL UP AGAINST INDUSTRIAL LOT?
>> WELL, THAT'S THE THING. NO. [OVERLAPPING]
>> LOOK AT THOSE BIG PICTURE STUFF, NOT LIKE I SAID, GETTING THE WEEDS.
THE BIG PICTURE IS THERE'S ALWAYS GOING TO BUILD A HOUSE NEXT TO [INAUDIBLE] WRIGHT'S CONSTRUCTION YARD. WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT?
>> IF THE LAND BECAME SO VALUABLE THAT IT WOULD BE MORE VALUABLE AS A DIFFERENT USE.
>> YEAH, BUT DEVELOPERS, THEY'RE LOOKING AT A CITY WITH NOT VERY MUCH VACANT LAND.
[OVERLAPPING] I WANT TO BE IN GRAPEVINE, HOW CAN I MAKE MONEY?
>> WE CONTROL THE DEVELOPERS. THEY MIGHT WANT TO DO SOMETHING ALL DAY LONG, BUT IT DOESN'T MEAN THEY'RE GOING TO GET TO DO IT.
>> BUT THEY STILL CAN COME UP WITH SOMETHING WE LIKED THAT WAS BETTER THAN INDUSTRIAL.
>> I GUESS WAY BACK WHEN WE DECIDED THAT PROFESSIONAL OFFICE ALONG THAT BUSY ROAD ON WALL STREET WAS WAS A PRETTY GOOD OPTION.
YOU TRY TO GET IN AND OUT OF THAT STREET, BACK IN AND OUT OF THAT DRIVEWAY RIGHT THERE.
[BACKGROUND] IT'S NOT A PLACE TO BUILD A HOME.
PEOPLE ARE SQUEEZING THE HOME TO A PLACE THEY PROBABLY SHOULDN'T, BUT PROFESSIONAL OFFICE IS REALLY WHAT THAT IS.
SOMEBODY BUILT THIS HOUSE RIGHT HERE ON THE CORNER BECAUSE IT'S RIGHT ALONG A RESIDENTIAL STREET WHERE THERE'S A HOUSE RIGHT NEXT DOOR, SO THAT MAKES SENSE, I GET IT.
THEY HAVE ACCESS OFF [INAUDIBLE] TO GET TO THEIR HOUSE, SO THAT MAKES SENSE.
BUT I WOULD STILL LEAVE THE REST OF THEM FROM THAT HOUSE ON AS PROFESSIONAL OFFICE OR COMMERCIAL AGAINST INDUSTRIAL PROPERTY THAT'S RIGHT ON THE SIDE OF THEM AND GOVERNMENTAL HOUSING BEHIND THEM.
>> NOW, WHERE WAS THE TRACT? HOW FAR DOWN IS THE TRACT ROUTE IN THERE FOR THE PEOPLE?
>> THE FUTURE IS TOWARDS RESIDENTIAL THERE.
>> [OVERLAPPING] THAT'S ALONG CHURCH.
ONE THING THAT WE DO HAVE A GLARING DISCREPANCY IS THAT THERE'S TWO LOTS,
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FOR I DON'T KNOW WHAT REASON, WITH AN ADDRESS OF 417 WEST WALL.THERE'S THAT RL TRACT RIGHT THERE? AT ONE POINT, THERE HAD BEEN A HOME THERE AND THE CONSTRUCTION YARD ACQUIRED IT, BUT IT'S OBVIOUSLY NOT BEING UTILIZED FOR RESIDENTIAL.
IF YOU ZOOM OUT A LITTLE BIT, AT ONE POINT FOR PLAN, THERE WAS A CUL-DE-SAC OR A DEAD-END STREET THAT WENT THROUGH THERE THAT'S BEEN SINCE REMOVED.
>> THAT'S A GLARING DISCREPANCY.
SO MAYBE FOR THE PURPOSES OF TODAY, IF WE CAN FOCUS ON REALLY GLARING DISCREPANCIES.
>> BECAUSE IT'S CURRENTLY [INAUDIBLE] LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.
>> IS THAT ZONE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL?
>> IT'S ZONE INDUSTRIAL. [OVERLAPPING]
>> IT JUST SHOWS BLUE ON IT WITH THE R-7.5 ON THE GREEN.
>> [OVERLAPPING] R.7.5 IN THE NORTH SIDE OF IT HAS A LITTLE BIT OF IT.
>> THAT'S WEIRD. [OVERLAPPING]
>> THERE WAS A SINGLE HOME ON THERE.
IT WAS IN '98 OR '99 WHEN IT GOT TORN DOWN, OR MAYBE A FEW THOUSAND LINE HERE.
THAT'S ZONING. DO YOU ALL SEE A NEED TO AMEND THAT ONE PARCEL FROM RESIDENTIAL, LOW INTENSITY TO INDUSTRIAL?
>> WE DON'T WANT IT TO BE THAT LONG TERM.
YES, I KNOW THIS PROPERTY IS THERE AND HE DOES WHAT HE DOES THERE NOW BUT IF YOU WERE LOOKING AT 20 YEARS IN THE FUTURE, WE DON'T WANT THAT INDUSTRIAL MIDDLE, DON'T WE?
>> YEAH. HE'S ON THE ISLAND FOR SURE RIGHT THERE.
>> IT'S NOT WHAT YOU WANT THERE IN THE LONG TERM. LET'S GET OVER TO THE WEST.
YES. CAN YOU GO MORE NORTH UP TO?
>> I CAN ALMOST SEE HIM TURNING THAT OVER TO THE CITY AS A MARKED AREA BECAUSE THEY'RE ALREADY RIGHT UP AGAINST BOTANICAL GARDENS AT SOME POINT.
THEY'VE BEEN VERY GENEROUS OVER THE YEARS.
>> CONTINUING WEST ALONG NORTHWEST HIGHWAY ON THE NORTH SIDE OF WEST WALL, THAT'S ALL COMMERCIAL.
IT'S BEEN DEVELOPED AS COMMERCIAL.
>> I WOULD HOPE THAT WOULD STAY [OVERLAPPING] FOR A VERY LONG TIME.
>> IT CONTINUES TO BE COMMERCIAL ON THE SOUTH SO WE HAVE SOUTH SIDE OF WEST WALL, WE HAVE, I'M BLENDING MY WORDS TOGETHER, LOW-INTENSITY COMMERCIAL.
>> DOWN ON THE WEST END IS WHERE IT IS.
[INAUDIBLE] WHERE YOUR DISCREPANCIES ARE, WHERE YOU ACTUALLY HAVE HOUSES LIKE LARRY'S HOUSE.
>> LARRY'S HOUSE AND THAT OTHER HOUSE.
>> I'D LIKE TO SEE LARRY'S IT'S A 307. THOSE THREE.
>> YEAH, BECAUSE THE ONE GOES OFF THE CUL-DE-SAC AND THE OTHER ONE OFF THE WALL.
>> WELL AND 1285 IS A HOUSE TOO.
>> ALL THAT WHOLE CORNER IS ALL ZONED R75 RIGHT NOW CURRENTLY.
>> ISN'T THIS LIKE A WEDDING VENUE OR SOMETHING?
ITS THAT PERSON THAT DID THE TOYS FOR TOTS. IT'S THE OFFICE.
>> WORK LIVE SPACE. [LAUGHTER] [OVERLAPPING]
>>THE PARK HOUSE, IS THAT WHAT YOU WERE LOOKING FOR?
>> WE HAVE 307 PEBBLE BROOKE AND 308 SPRING BROOK COURT FROM LC TO LOW-INTENSITY RESIDENTIAL AND THEN 1285 WEST WALL STREET FROM LOW-INTENSITY COMMERCIAL TO RESIDENTIAL, LOW-INTENSITY.
>> IT'S A STRANGE [INAUDIBLE].
>> IT'S ALL THAT HOUSE. IT'S ALL THE SAME HOUSE.
>> THEY DO HAVE WEDDINGS THERE.
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WELL IT IS PROFESSIONAL OFFICE, ISN'T IT?
>> THEY'VE GOT AN [INAUDIBLE] SERVICES COMPANY IN HERE.
THIS 1301 WEST WALL, IS THAT SEPARATE OWNERSHIP FROM 1331?
>> IS IT THE GUY IN THE BIG HOUSE?
>> WHICH HOUSE WAS THAT ONE. I CAN'T REMEMBER.
>> YEAH, I'M READING ABOUT HIM.
>> IS IT OWNED BY THE GUY TO THE SOUTH OR TO THE EAST?
>> I DON'T THINK IT'S TO THE EAST, I DON'T THINK SO.
I THINK IT'S DONE. IT'S ALMOST TIME TO BE DONE.
>> THAT CONCLUDES OUR WORKSHOP FOR THIS EVENING.
>> FOR THE BRIEFING SESSION WE'LL DISCUSS
[4. Conduct a briefing session to discuss all items scheduled on tonight’s agenda. No action will be taken. Each item will be considered during the Regular Session, which immediately follows the Joint Public Hearings. ]
THE HIGH LEVEL THREE JOINT PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS BEFORE YOU AND THE COUNCIL THIS EVENING.THE FIRST IS A CONDITIONAL USE FOR AN EXISTING RESTAURANT ZONE, CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT, AT 400 EAST DALLAS ROAD FOR STELLINI TRATTORIA.
SORRY IF I BUTCHERED THAT, BUT THEY ARE REQUESTING TO AMEND THE FLOOR PLAN BY ADDING RESTAURANT SEATING WITHIN AN AREA THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED AS A MARKET AREA.
AS YOU CAN SEE HERE ON THE FLOOR PLAN, WHICH HAD A SEPARATE ENTRANCE.
SUBJECT PROPERTY AS MENTIONED ZONED CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT, IT'S PART OF A LARGER FOUR-STORY BUILDING THAT ENCLOSED MULTIFAMILY ABOVE IT AND ON THE GROUND FLOOR, HAS FLEXIBLE LEASE SPACE FOR THE RESTAURANT AND RETAIL USES.
THE RESTAURANT ALREADY HAS APPROVAL FOR THE SALE AND ON AND OFF-PREMISE CONSUMPTION OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES.
WITH THIS PROPOSAL, THEY ARE GOING TO UTILIZE THIS 880 SQUARE FEET RIGHT HERE ON THE RIGHT-HAND SIDE OF YOUR SCREEN FOR AN ADDITIONAL 24 SEATS SO THAT THERE WILL BE A TOTAL BETWEEN THE SUITE 100 AND 200 WHICH IS BEING EXPANDED INTO 180 SEATS.
>> WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE IN THE PARKING REQUIREMENT BETWEEN THE RETAIL THAT IT WAS.
I KNOW THEY HAVE A LOT OF PARKING SPACES.
>> THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS REQUIREMENTS STAY THE SAME.
IT WAS FOR A RETAIL AND RESTAURANT, IT WAS ONE SPACE PER 61 SQUARE FEET SO IT'S REMAINED THE SAME.
>> YEAH. THAT'S JUST ALL OF THAT WAS PUT UNDER THAT ONE UMBRELLA OF ONE PARKING SPACE PER 61 SQUARE FEET.
>> FOR THE YES, THE BOTTOM FLOOR.
>> I'D LIKE EVERYONE TO LOOK AT PAGE 404 IN YOUR MATERIALS FOR THE BEST TYPO EVER.
PEDESTRIAN MEOWS I ACTUALLY FINISHED THE [INAUDIBLE].
IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE MEWS, I'M SURE.
>> IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE MEWS M-E-W-S INSTEAD OF MEOWS.
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>> IN TWO DIFFERENT WAYS SO I GUESS WHILE YOU WALK THROUGH YOU GET THE MEOW.
>> I GUESS SPELL CHECK DIDN'T RECOGNIZE MEOW.
>> ARE THERE ANY MORE QUESTIONS ON STELLINI'S? THE NEXT REQUEST BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING IS FOR PORTILLO'S SIT-DOWN AND DRIVE-THROUGH RESTAURANT.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT TO AMEND THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED PLANNED COMMERCIAL CENTER TO ALLOW THE POSSESSION, STORAGE, RETAIL SALE, AND ON AND OFF PREMISE CONSUMPTION OF BEER AND WINE ONLY IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE 6,750 SQUARE FOOT RESTAURANT WITH DRIVE-THROUGH OUTDOOR DINING AND OUTDOOR SPEAKERS.
THIS WILL BE THE FIFTH RESTAURANT ON THE FORMER PAYTON WRIGHT AUTOMOTIVE DEALERSHIP, AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, IT'S HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW, SO IT'S TO THE WEST OF VELVET TACO AND FIREBIRDS INTO THE EAST OF [INAUDIBLE] RESTAURANT SO RIGHT THERE IN THE CENTER BETWEEN BOTH THOSE TWO RESTAURANTS.
>> DIRECT PAGE 8, THIS IS THE FIRST TIME WE'VE SEEN THE OUTDOOR SPEAKER ORDINANCE IN PLAY WHERE THEY HAVE THE WHOLE [INAUDIBLE] AND EVERYTHING.
>> THAT HASN'T BEEN ADOPTED YET, THAT'S STILL SOMETHING THAT WE'LL BE WORKING THROUGH WITH YOU AND COUNCIL THROUGH WORKSHOPPING IT, BUT YES, WE ARE ASKING FOR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION [OVERLAPPING] TO BE PROVIDED.
THEY WILL BE DEVELOPING A ONE-STORY RESTAURANT, 6,200 SQUARE FEET, WILL BE INDOOR, 500 SQUARE FOOT OUTDOOR DINING AREA.
WE'LL HAVE A TOTAL OF 160 SEATS WITH 128 SEATS INDOORS AND 32 SEATS OUTDOORS.
THE PATIO AREA IS ALONG THE EASTERN ELEVATION ADJACENT TO VELVET TACO AND FIREBIRDS.
THIS PLAN ALSO INCLUDES FOUR OUTDOOR SPEAKERS: ONE INCLUDES THE MENU BOARD WHICH IS IN THE DUAL DRIVE-THROUGH HERE ON THE NORTH END, OTHERWISE, THE THREE OTHER SPEAKERS WILL BE LOCATED ALONG THE EAST ELEVATION, TWO WITHIN THE OUTDOOR DINING AREA, AND ONE NEAR THAT MAIN ENTRANCE.
>> I WAS GOING TO SAY THE DRAWING REALLY DOESN'T SHOW THAT LEVEL IN THE OUTSIDE DINING AREA.
THIS ISN'T THE CIRCLES THERE. SEE, THERE'S ONE.
ADJACENT TO, RATHER THAN WITHIN.
>> THAT'S OUR COVERED PARKING.
>> AS PART OF THIS REQUEST, REALLY OFF-SITE, BUT FOR YOUR INFORMATION, THERE WAS RECENTLY APPROVED A DUAL SIGN ON THE ADJACENT LOT, ON THE FIREBIRDS LOT, FOR THAT SHARED POLE SIGN.
THIS WAS APPROVED BY THE SITE PLAN REVIEW COMMITTEE AT THEIR MEETING EARLIER THIS MONTH ON THE 7TH.
THAT'S MORE FOR YOUR INFORMATION.
THAT'S WHY YOU DIDN'T SEE [OVERLAPPING] ANY SIGNAGE.
>> I WAS WONDERING ABOUT THE SIGN INSIDE.
>> IF YOU RECALL, AT THE END OF THE DECEMBER MEETING, YOU APPROVED THAT TEXT AMENDMENT TO THE ZONING ORDINANCE TO ALLOW FOR THE SHARED SIGNAGE BETWEEN THE TWO LOTS.
AS PART OF THIS DEVELOPMENT, 95 PARKING SPACES ARE REQUIRED AND 105 ARE PROVIDED. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS?
>> YES, OF THE SEVEN ACRES, [INAUDIBLE].
THEN THE FINAL JOINT PUBLIC PLANNED ITEM IS BOTH A REZONE REQUEST AND CONDITIONAL USE REQUEST, SO THIS IS AN UNDEVELOPED LOT AT 2051 STATE HIGHWAY 121.
ALBERT WANTED ME TO SHARE WITH YOU THAT THIS IS IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO AN EXISTING RESIDENCE IN, AND THEN THE DIMASSI'S MEDITERRANEAN RESTAURANT IS HERE, AND WHATABURGER IS FURTHER TO THE SOUTHWEST, JUST TO ORIENT YOU.
IT'S AN UNDEVELOPED PROPERTY RIGHT HERE.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING TO REZONE THIS 2.4 ACRES FROM COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL DISTRICT TO LIGHT INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT, AND ALSO A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT TO DEVELOP AN AUTOMOTIVE REPAIR BODY SHOP, WHICH WILL ALSO FEATURE OUTDOOR VEHICLE STORAGE AND AN 18-FOOT-TALL POLE SIGN.
THIS IS THE SITE PLAN THAT WAS PROVIDED AS PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT PROPOSAL.
AS PART OF THIS, IT'LL BE A 23,000-SQUARE-FOOT AUTOMOTIVE REPAIR BODY SHOP AND YOU CAN SEE THAT CENTRALLY LOCATED HERE.
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THEY WILL ALSO HAVE 32 SPACES ALONG THE SOUTHERN PROPERTY LINE FOR OUTDOOR VEHICLE STORAGE.THIS WILL ALSO BE SCREENED BY THE EIGHT-FOOT-TALL WOODEN FENCE.
THERE WILL BE TWO POINTS OF ACCESS, ONE OF WHICH IS FROM THE EXISTING ACCESS OFF OF STATE HIGHWAY 121 AT THE NORTH CORNER OF THE SITE, SO THIS IS AN EXISTING DRIVEWAY IN THIS AREA HERE.
THEN THEY'LL HAVE CROSS-ACCESS EASEMENT TO THE WEST ON LOT 2 THAT THEY'LL PROVIDE ALONG THE FRONTAGE OF STATE HIGHWAY 26.
ALSO AS PART OF THIS REQUEST IS A PROPOSED 18-FOOT-TALL POLE SIGN IN THIS LOCATION JUST SOUTH OF THAT ENTRANCE, AND YOU'LL SEE HERE, IT'S FOR STUART'S PAINT AND BODY.
TOTAL REQUIRED PARKING FOR THIS USE BASED ON THE SIZE AND INTENSITY, IT SAYS 79 SPACES AND THEY'RE PROVIDING 79 SPACES OUTSIDE OF THE [NOISE] STORAGE OR INCLUDING THE STORAGE, SORRY.
>> WHAT INHIBITS THEM FROM STAYING WITHIN THE SAME ZONING THAT'S ON YOUR OWN LOT?
>> THE AUTOMOTIVE REPAIR, THE BODY SHOP RATHER, THEY REQUIRE A CONDITIONAL USE IN THE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.
THEY COULDN'T HAVE A BODY SHOP IN THE CURRENT ZONING DISTRICT.
>> EVEN THOUGH IT SAYS RIGHT HERE ON NUMBER 13 WITHIN THAT ZONING DISTRICT, AN AUTOMOTIVE REPAIR GARAGE IS WITHIN A COMPLETELY CLOSED BUILDING.
SALVAGE AND/OR WRECKING YARDS ARE PROHIBITED BUT THE REPAIR GARAGES IS A CONDITIONAL USE OPPORTUNITY.
>> THAT OUTDOOR STORAGE IS IN LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.
>> THIS SAYS ALL STORAGE AREAS MUST BE SERVICED AND SCREENING SHALL BE PROVIDED IN ACCORDANCE WITH SECTION 58 AND SECTION 50, I'M WONDERING, COULD THAT NOT IMPLY TO THIS PARTICULAR BUSINESS AND STAY WITHIN THE ZONING BECAUSE IF WE GO LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, MY CONCERN IS THEY SELL THE PROPERTY IN A FEW YEARS NOW IT CAN BE USED FOR QUITE A FEW OTHER THINGS THAT WE DON'T NECESSARILY WANT [BACKGROUND] AND IT DOESN'T COMPLY WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP EITHER.
>> NO, THEY WOULDN'T BE ALLOWED TO HAVE A BODY SHOP.
>> BUT IT SAYS RIGHT HERE THAT THEY COULD.
THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING, I THINK A CONDITIONAL USE WITHIN THAT ZONING THING, THEY COULD STILL USE IT.
I'M NOT AGAINST THE BUSINESS THERE, BUT I THINK THIS CONDITIONAL USE HERE SAYS THAT THEY CAN DO IT WITHIN THAT DISTRICT.
IF I'M READING IT THAT WAY, I WOULDN'T WANT TO HAVE TO CHANGE MY ZONING, I WOULD JUST WANT TO APPLY FOR A C UNIT, WORK UNDER THAT.
>> JUST LIKE NATASHA SAID, IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE'VE GOT THE OUTDOOR STORAGE AS WELL.
>> IT SAYS ALL STORAGE AREAS JUST MUST BE SURFACED, SO IT DOESN'T SAY THAT YOU CAN'T HAVE STORAGE AND IT HAS TO BE SCREENED, WHICH IS ALL THEY'RE ASKING FOR.
>> WELL, IT DEPENDS [OVERLAPPING]
>> DID THE CITY SAY YOU'LL NEED TO CHANGE IT, OR DO THEY WANT TO CHANGE IT SO IN THE FUTURE IT COULD BE [OVERLAPPING]
>> MY CONCERN FOR IT IS CHANGING IT TO A LIGHT INDUSTRIAL OUT THERE WHEN THAT DOESN'T EVEN FIT WITHIN OUR FUTURE LAND USE MAP, AND I DON'T EVEN THINK IT'S NECESSARY, I THINK THEY CAN STAY WITHIN THE ZONING THAT THEY HAVE AND MAKE IT WORK.
>> WHAT NUMBER ARE YOU LOOKING AT?
>> LINE 13, FOR CONDITIONAL USE.
>> BUT IT DOES SAY AN ALLOWED USE WITHIN, IS THAT CONDITIONAL USE UNDER [OVERLAPPING]
I REALIZE YOU HAVE TO GET A CONDITIONAL USE TO GET IT APPROVED.
>> ALBERT, HAVE WE MADE A DISTINCTION IN THE PAST BETWEEN GENERAL AUTOMOTIVE REPAIR AND AUTOBODY REPAIR WITH PAINT BOOTH?
>> YES? THIS IS AUTOBODY RATHER THAN JUST [OVERLAPPING] IT'S NOT A DISCOUNT TIRE ACROSS THE STREET.
THEY'RE BRINGING IN WRECKED VEHICLES THAT HAVE MOST LIKELY BEEN IN ACCIDENTS, APPARENTLY, THIS IS A [OVERLAPPING]
>> WE HAVE A BODY SHOP ON WILLIAM D TATE.
IT'S THE CLASSIC BODY SHOP WHICH REQUIRED A LIGHT INDUSTRIAL ZONING DISTRICT, AND THAT'S THE MOST RECENT EXAMPLE, IS A CLASSIC ON WILLIAM D TATE, WHICH REQUIRED A ZONING CHANGE AND CONDITIONAL USE SPEAK AS WELL.
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>> IT'S GOING TO BE TOUGH THEN. [LAUGHTER]
>> AGAIN, I'M NOT AGAINST THAT BUSINESS BEGINNING OUT THERE, I JUST DON'T SEE WHY THEY NEED TO CHANGE THE ZONE TO LIGHT INDUSTRIAL FOR IT AND [INAUDIBLE] SUFFERS WITHIN ELSE DOWN HERE, DOWN THE ROAD POTENTIALLY.
>> ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT THE PROPOSAL?
>> EMITTANCE SCREENING, CAN YOU SHOW ME WHERE THE SCREENING IS? I COULDN'T FIND SCREENING.
>> IT'S RIGHT THERE. IF YOU SEE THAT LINE DOT LINE, IT'S RIGHT AGAINST [OVERLAPPING]
>> IT'S JUST ALONG HIGHWAY 121?
>> IT'S GOING ALL THE WAY AROUND IT. [OVERLAPPING] IT WRAPS ALL THE WAY AROUND THE PARKING LOT.
YOU CAN'T SEE IT'S A CAR PARK. IT PROTECTS THE CARS.
>> BECAUSE YOU'RE ASSUMING THAT'S WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO STORE THEIR WRECKED CARS UNTIL THEY CAN BRING THEM INTO THE SHOP, FIX THEM, AND GET THEM OUT.
>> TO ME, I DON'T SEE THAT TO BE ANY MUCH DIFFERENT THAN ANY OTHER AUTOMOTIVE REPAIR SHOP THAT WORKS UNDER A CO-RUN COMMERCIAL ZONING.
>> BUT THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN AUTOMOTIVE [INAUDIBLE] REPAIR BODY SHOP.
>> IT'S JUST NOT CLEAR IN THAT DEFINITION.
I WOULD SAY I'M GOOD WITH IT BECAUSE IT SAYS SALVAGE OR WRECKING, SO WE'RE NOT REALLY DEALING WITH THE SALVAGE OR WRECKING, THEY'RE REPAIRING THE CAR AFTER A WRECK OR SOMETHING.
IT'S GOING BACK OUT BRAND NEW, LOOKING NEW, AND IT'S GOING TO BE CONCEALED JUST THE SAME.
>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? [BACKGROUND] NO? IS THAT ALL? YES, WE'RE CLOSE TO BREAKING SESSION.
[JOINT MEETING WITH CITY COUNCIL]
[6. Conditional Use Permit CU23-32 (Stellini Trattoria) – City Council and Planning and Zoning Commission to conduct a public hearing relative to an application submitted by Mitchell Wegner requesting a conditional use permit to amend the previously approved site plan CU19-10 (Ordinance No. 2019-027) to allow for the possession, storage, retail sales, and on-premise consumption of alcoholic beverages (beer, wine and mixed beverages) in conjunction with a restaurant, and the possession, storage, retail sales and off-premise consumption of alcoholic beverages (beer and wine only) in conjunction with a market. This request is specifically to revise the floor plan by adding restaurant seating to the former market area. The subject property is located at 400 East Dallas Road, Suite 100 and is currently zoned “CBD”, Central Business District. ]
[7. Conditional Use Permit CU24-04 (Portillo’s) – City Council and Planning and Zoning Commission to conduct a public hearing relative to an application submitted by HDGroup, Inc requesting a conditional use permit for a planned commercial center to allow for the possession, storage, retail sales of on- and off-premise consumption of alcoholic beverages (beer and wine only) in conjunction with a 6,750 square foot restaurant with a drive-through, outdoor dining, and outdoor speakers. The subject property is located at 460 West State Highway 114 and is currently zoned “HC”, Highway Commercial District. ]
[8. Zoning Change Application Z23-08 and Conditional Use Permit CU23-35 (Stuart’s Paint and Body) – City Council and Planning and Zoning Commission to conduct a public hearing relative to an application submitted by Oweis Enterprises, LLC requesting to rezone 2.4 acres from “CC”, Community Commercial District to “LI”, Light Industrial District. The applicant is also requesting a conditional use permit to develop an automotive repair body shop with outdoor vehicle storage and an 18-foot pole sign. The subject property is located at 2051 State Highway 121. ]
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[10. Conditional Use Permit CU23-32 (Stellini Trattoria) – Consider the application and make a recommendation to City Council. ]
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>> THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, CU23-32 DISCUSSION.
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>> WELL, I KNOW THEY SERVE GOOD FOOD.
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EVIDENTLY, THEY'RE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE[01:55:36]
A FEW MORE PEOPLE SO I WOULD MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE CU23-32.[01:55:42]
>> ALL IN FAVOR? [OVERLAPPING] NEXT IS CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, CU24-04. DISCUSSION.
[11. Conditional Use Permit CU24-04 (Portillo’s) – Consider the application and make a recommendation to City Council. ]
>> CERTAINLY A SUCCESSFUL ORGANIZATION.
>> I DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THE EXPERIENCE UP NORTH OR DUNCAN DONUTS COMING INTO TOWN OR SOMETHING.
>> I MOVE THAT THIS PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION APPROVE APPLICATION CU24-04.
>> ALL IN FAVOR? THE SEVEN CORE.
[12. Zoning Change Application Z23-08 (Stuart’s Paint and Body) – Consider the application and make a recommendation to City Council. ]
NEXT WE HAVE THE ZONING CHANGE APPLICATION, CU23-08.THIS IS JUST THE ZONING CHANGE TO THE LI.
>> I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT BUSINESS IN THAT LOCATION.
I JUST THINK IT'S UNFORTUNATE THE WAY IT'S CURRENTLY ZONED AND WHERE, THAT WE CAN'T WORK WITHIN THAT ZONING.
I JUST DON'T WANT TO LIGHT ZONING AFTER LIGHT INDUSTRIAL MIGHT.
IT COULD BE A MISTAKE. I COULD LIVE WITH IT BUT I DON'T KNOW THIS IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO.
>> I DON'T THINK WE NEED A SPOT OF LOT INDUSTRIAL.
>> I THINK IT'S NEARER TO THE NEIGHBORS HOTEL AND THE RESTAURANTS.
>> IT'S SHOWCASED ON THAT. IT'S NICE.
>> BUT ALSO, A 30-YEAR LEASE, I WOULD HOPE IT EXCEEDS THE BUSINESSES FAIL AND CLOSE ALL KINDS OF REASONS.
AND 30-YEAR LEASE DOESN'T GUARANTEE IT'LL STAY THERE.
WHAT'S GOING ON THAT BUSINESS CULTURE.
>> WELL, I'M CONCERNED THAT IT'S NOT COMPLIANT WITH THE MASTER PLAN AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE TAKING SO LONG TO SEE WHAT WE WANT TO BE THE PLAN.
>> I'D LIKE TO SEE HIM IN TOWN.
>> I KNOW. IT LOOKS GREAT. FOR THAT LOCATION, FOR ME IT'S THE ZONING.
>> WHAT I THINK IS WHAT WE'RE SAYING.
WE'VE SET A PRECEDENT A LONG TIME BACK, SPOT ON, AS I WAS SAYING.
>> WE NEED A MOTION OF SOME SORT.
>> I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO DENY THE ZONING CHANGE APPLICATION. CU23-08.
>> ALL IN FAVOR OF THE DENIAL?
>> WE'RE DENYING. IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION, WHICH IS TO DENY.
WE HAVE FIVE AGAIN. DID YOU VOTE?
DENIAL. THEN CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, CU23-35.
[13. Conditional Use Permit CU23-35 (Stuart’s Paint and Body) – Consider the application and make a recommendation to City Council. ]
WE NEED A MOTION FOR THAT ALSO.IT SHOULD FALL IN THE [OVERLAPPING].
>> THE MOTION TO DENY CU23-35.
>> ALL IN FAVOR OF THE DENIAL? ALL AGAIN? ONCE AGAIN, THE DENIAL PASSES, 5:2.
[14. Consider the minutes of the January 16, 2024 Planning and Zoning Commission workshop and regular meeting. ]
THEN WE HAVE THE MINUTES OF THE JANUARY 16 MEETING.>> I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES OF JANUARY 16, 2024.
>> ALL IN FAVOR? [INAUDIBLE] A MOTION TO ADJOURN?
>> ALL IN FAVOR? ADJOURNED.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.