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[CALL TO ORDER]
WE'LL CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER FOR THE WORKSHOP.[1. Receive a report, hold a discussion and provide staff direction with proposed amendments to the Comprehensive Master Plan (1974-1994, updated 1987) of the City of Grapevine Ordinance (Ordinance No. 87-11), and take any necessary action.]
SO, IN YOUR PACKET MATERIALS WE PROVIDED YOU JUST A QUICK TABLE SUMMARY OF SOME OF THE CHANGES THAT WERE DISCUSSED, BECAUSE WE WANTED TO GET INPUT ON THAT AND MAKE SURE THAT WE HAD ALL THE PROPERTIES THAT WERE DISCUSSED EITHER CHANGING OR REMAINING THE SAME.BETSY ALSO PROVIDED A TABLE ON THIS 11 BY 17.
AND THEN FINALLY WE ALSO PROVIDED AN UPDATED ASSESSMENT AREA MAP ON THE 8.5 X 11.
AND THAT'S. SHOWING THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT.
FIND OUT WHICH IS THE PRIORITY TODAY.
SO THOSE ARE ALL OF THE MATERIALS.
I'M SORRY. WITH THE TIMELINESS OF IT, THAT WE SENT OUT A PDF TO ALL OF YOU AS AN EMAIL ATTACHMENT.
THERE IS A LIVE LINK TO THE MAP VIEWER THAT BETSY CREATED SO THAT IF YOU'RE ON YOUR OWN TIME LOOKING, YOU'RE ABLE TO PULL UP VARIOUS AREAS THE FUTURE LAND USE, PLUS THE ZONING PARCEL DATA, OWNERSHIP DATA ON YOUR OWN TIME.
SOME WOULD PICK UP OR IF YOU HAD ANY CHANGES.
YEAH. ANYONE HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ABOUT THE WEST SIDE? THINGS WE DID LAST TIME WE CROSSED MAIN STREET? AFTER IT WAS A CLEAR PICTURE WHEN WE DISCUSSED A COUPLE OF TIMES THAT IF WE CHANGE THE FUTURE LAND USE, THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH POTENTIAL RESALE OF THAT PROPERTY WITH RESPECT TO THEIR CURRENT ZONING, IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THEIR CURRENT ZONING. IT COULD CERTAINLY HAVE AN IMPACT ON THE RESALE VALUE OF THE PROPERTY.
IF SOMEONE LOOKS AT THE MAP AND SEES THAT THAT'S WHAT WE'RE EARMARKING, THAT PROPERTY ON THE BODY DOES SOMETHING DIFFERENT, AND THEY'RE NOT PLANNING ON USING THE SAME TYPE OF BUSINESS THAT'S ALREADY THERE, THEY COULD HAVE AN IMPACT, CERTAINLY, BUT IF THEY'RE GOING TO USE IT FOR THE SAME TYPE OF BUSINESS, IT ONLY IMPACTS THE ZONING WILL CHANGE THE SAME AS LONG AS THEY'RE NOT CHANGING ANYTHING UP, THEN.
YEAH. AGAIN, I WANT TO SAY THAT THAT'S MY CONCERN IS ABOUT THE CURRENT OWNER OF THE PROPERTY AND THEIR ABILITY TO MARKET AND DO WHAT THEY WANT TO WITH THEIR PROPERTY. SO, THAT'S A CONCERN.
AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT PRIOR TO ME.
STILL, IF IT'S HIGHWAY COMMERCIAL AND THEY WANT TO DEVELOP THIS OFFICE AND WE HAVE IT AS RESIDENTIAL, THEN THAT THAT COULD BE IT COULD BE AN ISSUE. THEY CAN STILL REQUEST ANYTHING, BUT IT DOESN'T MEAN IT WOULD BE APPROVED.
AND YOU WOULD HOPE THAT WE WOULD TRY TO STICK WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP.
OTHERWISE, IT DOESN'T MAKE MUCH SENSE TO HAVE IT.
BUT YEAH, THERE ARE SOME THINGS, AND I AND I KNOW THAT ONCE WE GET TO A PUBLIC HEARING, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME QUESTIONS AND THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME, POSSIBLY SOME GIVE AND TAKE ON SOME OF THESE AREAS, ESPECIALLY THOSE THAT GET CLOSER AND CLOSER TO MAIN STREET.
AND THAT'S MY CONCERN IS, YOU KNOW, WELL, I THINK THIS CHART IS GREAT WITH THE PROPOSED AND CURRENT.
AND AGAIN, I THINK THE THINGS WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT ARE WHAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT CHANGING FROM SOME OF THE CBD TO THE RESIDENTIAL AND SPECIFICALLY, YOU KNOW, SPECIFICALLY RIGHT THERE AT LIPSCOMB RIGHT THERE.
YOU KNOW, BART, IT JUST SEEMS LIKE WE'RE JUST MOVING MAIN STREET MORE TOWARD THE WHOLE CBD IS MORE TOWARD MAIN STREET AND MAKING THE OTHER RESIDENTIAL.
SO, WE'RE AND, YOU KNOW, IT SEEMS TO ME THE CBD WAS FINE THE WAY IT IS.
AND WE'RE MAKING IT SMALLER AND RESIDENTIAL MORE THAN LESS.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE TO Y'ALL? THAT'S WHAT HOW I, HOW I'M LOOKING AT IT.
YEAH, I MEAN THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT.
SO, IT'S A GOOD THING WHAT WE'RE DOING.
AND THAT MAY NEVER THAT MAY CHANGE.
THAT MAY BE 20 30 YEARS BEFORE THOSE PROPERTIES TURN OVER.
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AND IT DOES NOT MATCH UP ON THE FUTURE OF THE LAND USE CURRENTLY.NO, I FEEL CERTAIN WE'LL HAVE SOME MORE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THOSE.
SOME OF THOSE AREAS, PARTICULARLY THAT WAS THE CALLS I RECEIVED.
BUT I GOT A COUPLE OF CALLS TODAY AND THEY WERE RELATED TO ONES.
WE'VE TALKED ABOUT CHANGING TO RESIDENTIAL.
I'M NOT SURE THEY'RE GOING TO.
I'M NOT SURE HOW HARD THEY ARE FOR IT, BECAUSE THEY KNOW THAT IT'S NOT GOING TO CHANGE THE ZONING.
AND ARE WE CONCERNED ABOUT LOSING THE TAX BASE ON THE COMMERCIAL? THING WE'RE LOOKING AT.
THEY STILL PAY PROPERTY TAXES ON THE COMMERCIAL.
YEAH, IT'S STILL GOING TO BE ON THE VALUE.
AND IF THEY GO IN THERE AND TAKEN AN OLD HOUSE THAT'S NOW AN OFFICE AND THEY GUT IT AND REDO IT AND ADD 3000FT² TO IT, IT'S GOING TO BE PAYING A LOT MORE TAXES THAN.
BUT ANYWAY, I THINK THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME GIVE AND TAKE THERE WITH THAT, PROBABLY AT LEAST THERE'S GOING TO BE CERTAINLY DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THAT ONCE IT GOES TO A PUBLIC HEARING. FOR SURE. IF IT GETS THAT FAR.
SO, WHEN WE START, YOU KNOW, BEING SERIOUS ABOUT WHAT THE RULE ACTUALLY SAYS, YOU ONLY GET DON'T HAVE TO PROVIDE PARKING AT THE FRONT MAIN STREET, THEN PEOPLE SHOULD START TO THINK, WELL, I DON'T ACTUALLY HAVE PARKING FOR WHAT I WANT TO DO WITH THIS.
IT SAYS THEY HAVE TO PRESENT THE PARKING PLAN.
IT DOESN'T REALLY GIVE THEM ANY DIRECTION ABOUT THINGS.
OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE BEFORE WE.
YOU GOT ME. WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THAT NORTH OF WALL STREET, BUT SO WE NEED TO START LOOKING AT THE SOUTHERN PART OF WALL STREET THAT'S ON CBD BELOW WALL STREET.
JENKINS. PORTIONS OF THE FIRST BAPTIST PARKING IS IN THE CBD.
BUT IT'S ZONED RESIDENTIAL, RIGHT? ZONE. IT MAY NOT BE.
YES, IT'S ALREADY ZONED RESIDENTIAL.
WE CAN OVERLAY THE FUTURE LAND USE, WHICH IS IN PURPLE.
SO, THE QUESTION IS, IS THERE ANYTHING YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT IN REGARD TO WHAT'S THE CBD ARE TAKEN OUT OF THE CBD OR LEAVE IT THERE? DOWN TO TEXAS STREET.
HOMESTEAD TO HOMESTEAD PROPERTY.
I DON'T KNOW WHO THE FIRST BAPTIST, FIRST BAPTIST OWNS ALL OF THAT.
YES, SIR. ALL THE PROPERTY THERE.
OKAY. AND THAT OUTPOST THAT THEY'RE USING AT THE CORNER AS WELL.
OKAY, SO WHAT'S YOUR QUESTION? WELL, DO YOU WANT IT'S IN THE CBD.
THAT SECTION, THIS WESTERN PART RIGHT HERE WHERE MY MOUSE IS GOING NOW IN THE CBD.
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DO YOU LEAVE IT IN THE CBD, OR DO YOU GO WITH ITS ZONING? AND PROPOSED TO CHANGE THAT TO RESIDENTIAL AND FUTURE LAND USE.I'M OKAY WITH THE CBD, BUT WE'LL BE PROPOSING GIVING UP SOME PARKING SPACE IN THE FUTURE.
DECIDE TO SELL THAT OFF. YEAH, THAT'S THE CHURCHES.
SO, THE PARKING LOT IS ACTUALLY ALL.
IT'S JUST FUTURE. THIS WESTERN PART.
YEAH. THE WHOLE ENTIRE PROPERTY IS ZONED RESIDENTIAL.
SO, THIS QUESTION OF MOVING FORWARD, ARE WE GOING TO FOLLOW KIND OF THE SAME GUIDELINES WE DID ON THE ON THE WEST SIDE? HOW FAR OUT FROM MAIN STREET ARE WE GOING TO GO? WELL, I THINK WE NEED TO KIND OF SEE WHERE THOSE PROPERTY LINES ARE, TOO.
SO THAT WAS OUR OTHER PROPERTIES.
BUT SO, I MEAN, THAT'S THE REAL ISSUE.
DO YOU WANT TO GO WITH THE ZONING, OR DO YOU WANT TO LEAVE THAT IN THE CBD? I MEAN, I THINK IT'S A, YOU KNOW, TO HER POINT ON THE OTHER SIDE WITH THE OTHER SIDE, WE'RE KIND OF ENCROACHING AT HIM.
TO ME, LEAVING THAT CBD IS PROBABLY A SMART CHOICE, LEAVING BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THE CHANCES THAT EVEN REALLY BEING ADJUSTED ANYTIME IN THE NEAR FUTURE IS PROBABLY PRETTY SLIM. AND WE'RE NOT DOWN TO THE WE HAVEN'T GONE FAR ENOUGH EAST TO BE ACROSS FROM ANY OF THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES, RIGHT? EITHER CORRECT THE BACKSIDE OF THE CHURCH OVER THERE BECAUSE WE HAD A HOUSE.
I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE CBD, NEITHER DID ANYBODY ELSE.
AND ACTUALLY, AS YOU MOVE SOUTH, THE CBD KICKS WAY OUT.
THAT'S WHERE I GOT FROM. THIS IS WHERE, YOU KNOW THE PURPLE LINE REPRESENTS THE BOUNDARY OF CBD.
THIS IS ALL CBD FUTURE LAND USE.
AND ON THE OTHER SIDE IT'S ROSE RESIDENTIAL LOW.
I WILL SAY THAT'S NOT GOING TO.
IT REALLY PROVIDES SOME OTHER PARKING AND OTHER THINGS TOO.
IF WE DON'T DO SOMETHING ABOUT PARKING ISSUES, IT COULD CAUSE AN ISSUE.
BUT AGAIN, THAT'S BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY ZONED RESIDENTIAL.
THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GET A NEW ZONING REQUEST IN TO DO THAT.
SO, IT KIND OF PUTS THEM ON NOTICE FOR THAT.
ANYBODY HAVE PROBLEMS WITH? SO, WE'RE DOWN TO TEXAS STREET.
SPRING, TEXAS AND WORTH ON THE SOUTH CBD KICKS OUT ALL THE WAY TO SMITH STREET FOR FUTURE LAND USE. THAT.
THESE TWO PROPERTIES AND THIS PROPERTY THAT'S OWNED BY THE CITY FOR PARKING.
DO THEY CONNECT PHYSICALLY OR.
NO. LIKE I KIND OF THINK LIKE DID THEY GET DID THEY GET AN EASEMENT ACROSS? THERE'S AN EASEMENT, SURELY BECAUSE DURING FESTIVAL IT CONNECTS.
IT CONNECTS BECAUSE SERVICE TRUCKS COME IN HERE FOR FESTIVAL.
BUT THIS DOES NOT BECAUSE YOU CAN SEE THERE'S A CURB LINE.
AND THIS IS OWNED BY CVB, WHICH IS, THIS IS JUST THE CITY IN GENERAL RIGHT HERE.
DOES THAT NEED TO BE CHANGED? THOSE THREE NEED TO BE CHANGED TO GOVERNMENTAL USE.
AND 115 EAST WORTH OUR CITY OWNED GOING FROM CBD FUTURE LAND USE TO GU.
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WE WOULD JUST CONNECT THAT WITH THE CURRENT GOVERNMENT USE.TO THE PROPERTIES TO THE RIGHT OF THOSE TWO OF THOSE OFFICES, TO THE RIGHT CBD OF THOSE OFFICES.
IS THAT THESE ARE LIKE, THIS IS PAINTING WITH A TWIST.
THIS IS THE OLD WINERY THAT CLOSED DOWN INSTEAD.
THE GREEN. THAT'S THE HOMESTEAD WINERY.
YES. THAT WAS WHERE JANIE USED TO RUN HER HERITAGE.
OKAY. I THOUGHT IT WAS THIS ONE.
NOW THERE'S A BUSINESS. THERE'S A BUSINESS IN THERE NOW.
IT'S THE ONE TO THE RIGHT THAT'S EMPTY.
AND THE OTHER ONE. RIGHT? YES.
IT WAS. AND IT'S ACROSS THE STREET FROM US HERE.
YEAH. AS FAR AS IT IS HERE, REALLY LIKE WHERE RESIDENTIAL IS CURRENTLY.
WOULD MAKE SENSE TO, LIKE, UPDATE THAT AND KEEP IT RESIDENTIAL.
I'M ASSUMING WE'RE GOING TO KEEP THEM THAT WAY.
THE ONES THAT ARE ALREADY ZONED RESIDENTIAL OUT OF THE CBD.
ONE ZONE. SO, IF YOU WANT TO CHANGE THAT AS WELL, SINCE IT'S OVER.
YES, WE WANT TO REZONE 325 SOUTH MAIN.
YES MA'AM. CHANGE THE FUTURE LAND USE GOVERNMENT.
AND SO, THE HEAT, THAT'S JUST THE ZONING IT'S IN.
AND THEN THE FUTURE LAND USE IS CBD, CBD, CBD.
SO, THE SO CBD MAYBE FOR SURE.
LIKE YOU SAID JASON THE RESIDENTIAL THAT'S TO THE EAST.
THOSE SHOULD BE RESIDENTIAL, RIGHT? I AGREE. I MEAN, IT'S ALREADY RESIDENTIAL EVEN THOUGH IT'S IN THE CBD DISTRICT, RIGHT? YEAH. I DON'T THINK YOU NEED A LOT OF PUSHBACKS ON THAT.
YEAH. AND THEN I THINK I DON'T KNOW, ISN'T IT.
BUT WOULDN'T THAT BE UNDER THE VINTAGE WHERE WE TALKED ABOUT THE WINERIES? NO. GRAPEVINE VINTAGE DISTRICT.
THAT'S ACTUALLY GV IS A DIFFERENT DISTRICT THAN GT.
WHAT'S HGT STAR HERITAGE? I JUST HISTORIC GRAPEVINE TOWNSHIP.
IT'S NOT. IT'S JUST AN OVERLAY.
OKAY. SO, WHAT'S IT? SO, WHAT IS THE ZONING? IT'S IN THE DATABASE. IT'S HT.
I CAN BRING IN THE PLANNING PIECES AND SEE IF THERE'S ANYTHING.
BUT WE DON'T HAVE A ZONING CATEGORY.
IS THAT THE ONE OFF OF COLLEGE STREET TO THE WEST COLLEGE? BETSY, IS THAT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT? YOU SEE WHERE OTHER HGT'S EXIST? YEAH, THERE'S A BUNCH OF ZONING PLANNING CASES HERE SO WE CAN RESEARCH THAT TO SAVE TIME.
I THINK THE REAL QUESTION IS, IS HGTV A ZONING OR IS IT A ZONING CATEGORY? I THINK IT'S JUST AN OVERLAY.
IT'S NOT THE ZONING. IT'S NOT THE BASE ZONING OF THAT PROPERTY.
IT'S JUST AN OVERLAY ON THAT PROPERTY.
ERICA, YOU WANT TO KNOW WHERE OTHER HGT IS? GRAPEVINE TOWNSHIP? DISTRICT? YEAH, IT'S A DISTRICT.
IT'S NOT ZONING, BUT I THINK IT'S ZONED RESIDENTIAL.
[INAUDIBLE] AND WE'RE TALKING.
AND THAT'S THE WINERY, RIGHT? THAT'S NO LONGER IN BUSINESS.
I'M SURPRISED IT DIDN'T HAVE THE VINTAGE ZONING.
LANDLORD IS WHAT? I'M GUESSING IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN EASIER JUST TO GET THE OVERLAY ON IT VERSUS THE DISTRICT.
WE'RE GOING TO PULL UP THE ORDINANCE TO SEE THE WORDING.
THAT WAS DONE BY AT LEAST 30 YEARS AGO.
WHEN THEY FIRST STARTED THAT WINERY IN THERE.
DO YOU WANT ME TO ZOOM TO THE OTHER PROPERTY THAT'S ATTACHED OR JUST LEAVE IT FOR RIGHT NOW? JUST LEAVE IT. JUST GO.
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SO, IF HGT IS AN OVERLAY, WHAT IS IT? THAT'S BECAUSE IT'S NOT A GIS SAYS IT'S A DISTRICT TO US IS ESTABLISHED TO ACCOMMODATE LIMITED COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL USES IN THE HISTORICALLY SIGNIFICANT ORIGINAL TOWN GRAPEVINE BOUNDED BY NORTHWEST HIGHWAY, BALL STREET, COTTON BELT RAILROAD, AUSTIN, AND WOOD STREET.WELL, THAT'S THE AREA. THE ORIGINAL TOWNSHIP.
THE TOWNSHIP? YEAH, ITS OWN SECTION 28 A AS A ZONING DISTRICT.
YES. PERMITTED USE OF SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL CHURCHES AND CHURCHES.
WE GOT SOME CONDITIONAL USES IN EXCESS OF.
SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL AND CHURCHES.
OKAY. AND CHURCHES CAN BE IN ANY ZONING.
IS THERE A DATE ON THAT? ALBERT. IT'S JANUARY 2009.
OKAY. I HAVE A ZONING CASE OF 98.
GOOD. LET ME SEE IF I CAN GET.
YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT THERE. UPPER LEFT IN THE MIDDLE.
SO, I HAVE THIS FOR DISTANCE AND ANTI-GLARE.
I HAVE MONOVISION CONTACTS, SO I GET WEIRDED OUT.
I GOT TO SHORTEN THE LONG DISTANCE.
I GOT TO SAVE SEARCH FUNCTION.
NOW TO SEE IF WE CAN SEE THIS THOUGH.
CAN YOU ZOOM IN A LITTLE BIT MORE? YES, MA'AM. THEY CHANGED IT FROM GV TOWNSHIP OR GV HERITAGE TO HGT. OKAY.
SO THAT'S. WHAT'S THAT WAY IN THE DATABASE? IT'S NOT IN ANY OF THE DOCUMENTS THAT WE'VE REFERENCED IN 98, 98.
YEAH. Z-9827 THAT'S WHAT I CHECKED.
BUT THAT WOULD BE PRE CURSING THE 27.
SO DO YOU WANT ME TO LOOK AT OH 290 802.
THAT'S ANOTHER ZONING CASE FOR THAT PROPERTY.
I MEAN, WE HAVE A SEPARATE OVERLAY FOR HISTORIC LANDMARK SUBDISTRICT.
AND THAT ACTS AS AN OVERLAY ON THOSE ORDINANCES.
THAT'S AN ERROR THERE FOR SAYING IT'S CHANGED TO THE ZONING WHEN WE KNOW IT'S AN OVERLAY MAP.
NO, I THINK I WAS WRONG EARLIER BECAUSE I WAS THINKING OF HL, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT I'M USED TO SEEING AT THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION, BUT THAT APPEARS TO BE ITS OWN DISTRICT. MY APOLOGIES FOR ADDING TO THE CONFUSION.
BUT YOU SAID AS A MATTER OF RIGHT, IT'S ONLY RESIDENTIAL OR CHURCHES.
YES, SIR. AND THEN THERE ARE SOME CONDITIONAL USES AVAILABLE.
YES. IT'S JUST LIKE IT USED TO BE RESIDENTIAL FOR FUTURE MANAGERS TRYING TO GET THOSE ACROSS THE STREET OVER THERE AS BEST WE CAN LINE THAT UP.
YEAH. WHAT ARE THOSE ONES BACK TO THE WEST OF THAT PROPERTY? SO THAT ONE RIGHT THERE, SHE HAD A MOUSE ON JUST THE IMMEDIATE WEST OF IT.
THAT'S GOING TO SUPPOSEDLY A LITTLE RECORD SHOP THAT THEY'RE LOOKING TO PUT IN THERE.
I DON'T KNOW HOW FAR THEY GOT ALONG.
AND THE PAINTING, THE PAINTING WITH THE TWIST.
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WITH THE TWIST AT THE PRINT SHOP.AND THAT WAS. AND THAT'S AN OFFICE.
HOW BIG IS THAT LOT? I'M NOT SURE.
NOT EVEN DEVELOPABLE IS A LOT A LITTLE BIT SMALLER.
YES, IT'S THAT LOT. OH, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GIVE ME ANY INFORMATION.
I CAN UNDERSTAND WHY WE WOULD WANT THAT RESIDENTIAL, SINCE IT'S ALREADY PART OF HGT, IS ALREADY PART OF RESIDENTIAL, RIGHT? IT'S RESIDENTIAL OR A CHURCH AND.
THERE IS A PROBLEM WITH THAT. BUT IN THE BUSINESSES, LIKE PAINTING WITH A TWIST AND MORE TOWARDS THE EAST.
TO THE WEST. AGAIN, IT'S THE SAME, SAME ISSUE I HAVE WITH CHANGING SOMETHING FROM THE CBD TO RESIDENTIAL APPRAISAL DISTRICT HAS THAT AS A 7500FT², SO LESS THAN A QUARTER OF AN ACRE.
WHAT'S THE FRONTAGE THERE? CAN YOU SEE WORTH? CAN WE MEASURE THE LOT WIDTH? THE WIDTH OF THE LOT? OH.
JUST UNDER 50FT. IT'S NOT MINIMUM STANDARDS FOR A LOT.
WELL, THAT'S NOT COMPLETELY ACCURATE.
IT MIGHT BE RIGHT ON THE NOSE.
IF YOU GO OUT THERE AND ACTUALLY SURVEY, IT'S PROBABLY 50 POINTS.
LET'S GO. DOES IT HAVE A PLAT? IT'S GOT TO BE IT'S GOT TO BE ALL 20%.
4849. WOULD YOU GUYS WANT TO SIMPLY FOLLOW THAT LINE TO THE NORTH DOWN THROUGH THOSE PROPERTIES.
SO, MOVE THE SMITH STREET BOUNDARY FURTHER WEST.
SO, IF YOU ZOOM OUT A LITTLE BIT.
YES. ON THE ON THE, UM, LIKE THE BOUNDARY WOULD BE THE HEAT.
IT WOULD BE THE 128 EAST TEXAS I THINK IT IS.
SO, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE LINE I DON'T KNOW WHICH ONE.
YEAH. YES. AND JUST FOLLOW THOSE PROPERTY DOWN LINES SOUTH.
WELL, WHAT ABOUT THAT? I DON'T THINK WE WANT TO.
WHAT? ARE WE GOING TO SPLIT THE LOTS UP OR ARE WE GOING TO GO DOWN THE PROPERTY LINES? LIKE I COULD UNDERSTAND GOING JUST STRAIGHT.
YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT THE GOVERNMENTAL USE AND GOING DOWN ALONG THE JUST RIGHT THERE WEST OF HGT.
BUT THEN WE'VE RECEIVED THAT'S NOT THE BEST PLACE FOR IT.
SO, YOU THINK, WHAT'S THE, UH, THE PROPERTY UP THERE THAT FRONTS TEXAS? THAT'S THAT'S RESIDENTIAL.
YES, YES, BUT THEN GOVERNMENT'S UNDER THAT.
YEAH. WELL, I WOULD CERTAINLY LEAVE THAT AS RESIDENTIAL.
SO, TO ME THE QUESTION IS DO YOU INCLUDE THAT SMALL NARROW LOT WITH MOVING THAT BACK TO THE WEST OR DO YOU STOP IT AT THE WESTERN BOUNDARY? WELL, IF WE'RE TRYING TO RETURN THINGS TO RESIDENTIAL, ARE THEIR HOMES ON THE LOTS, REGARDLESS OF THE LOT SIZE TO THE WEST OF THE HGT LOT? HIGH PAYING WITH THE TWIST.
AND THE HOME THERE, AND THAT'S NOT BIG ENOUGH TO BUILD A HOUSE.
IT'S NOT. SO, IT'S NOT ABOUT THOSE TWO RIGHT THERE WHERE THE HAND IS NOW THE CURSOR.
THOSE TWO ARE THOSE ARE TWOS OR THOSE OLDER HOMES, OLDER HOMES AND OLDER HOMES.
THAT ONE IS DO THEY HAVE HISTORICAL VALUE THERE.
THE ONE THAT ONE TO THE CLOSE TO THE PARKING LOT IS NOT LANDMARKED.
YES, IT HAS HISTORICAL. IT IS LANDMARK.
IT IS NOT OKAY, BUT IT HAS HISTORICAL VALUE.
IT'S AN HISTORIC DISTRICT. AND THEY BOTH DO, I THINK 1903.
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THEY'RE BOTH RIGHT ACROSS FROM ESPARZA'S.RIGHT? YEAH, I THINK LEAVE IT.
YEAH. I WANT TO LIVE IN DOWNTOWN GRAPEVINE.
OR THOSE HOMES. THEY'RE OCCUPIED NOW.
DO YOU KNOW JASON B-DUB IS IN BETWEEN THE PRINT SHOP AND THE ONE TO THE LEFT IS NOT.
WHAT ABOUT THE ONES OVER THERE BEHIND THE PARKING LOT? THAT ONE RIGHT THERE THAT THE CURSOR IS ON, THE ONE TO THE LEFT OF IT.
THE ONE THAT LEFT IS OCCUPIED.
NOT OCCUPIED. EITHER OF THEM IS OCCUPIED.
DO YOU KNOW WHEN THE ONE THAT ONE IS OCCUPIED? THAT ONE IS OCCUPIED? FAMILY.
YEAH. THEY HAVE. THEY CAN CREATE THEIR OWN PARKING.
THEY GOT ENOUGH LAND. THEY CAN MAKE THEIR OWN PARKING.
THAT'S CORRECT. YEAH. AND YOU'VE GOT AN OFFICE ON MAIN STREET.
THAT COULD BE A NON-ISSUE AGAIN.
RIGHT? YEAH. JUST MAKE THAT THE BOUNDARY THAT MAKE THAT THE BOUNDARY OFF OF SMITH.
BETSY IS AT 205 AND 211 EASTWARDS.
WE'VE GOT THE SAME OWNER ON TWO LOTS.
IF YOU COMBINE THEM, YOU CAN COME BACK AND REPLAT THEM INTO TWO RESIDENTIAL LOTS.
RIGHT, RIGHT. BUT IT'S NOT THE LOT.
THIS COULD BE ONE LARGE LOT THAT CAN BE PLATTED IN THE TWO FOR RESIDENTIAL OR ONE BIG.
[INAUDIBLE]. YOU CAN ALWAYS COME BACK FOR THAT.
YEAH. YEAH, WE'D LET THEM, I'M SURE.
YEAH, YEAH. I MEAN, JUST LIKE TONIGHT.
EVERYBODY ALL RIGHT? I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION.
SO ABOVE THE GRAPEVINE PARKING LOT.
THAT'S RIGHT THERE. WHERE'S THE BOUNDARY LINE? THAT LOT, THAT ONE LOT IS STILL GOING TO BE WANTED RESIDENTIAL.
SO, BETWEEN 200 AND 212 EAST TEXAS.
RIGHT. SO, MAKE THIS DROP DOWN TO RL.
RIGHT. AND THEN THAT'LL BE GOVERNMENT UNDER 212 EAST TEXAS.
YEAH, THAT WOULD GO OUT OF THE HISTORIC OR OUT OF THE CBD.
OKAY. OKAY. SO, MOVING SOUTH OF WORTH.
I'M NOT SURE THAT'S NOT GOOD LIKE IT IS.
AND. THIS LOT RIGHT HERE IS CBD.
I WOULD SAY WE LEAVE IT MASTER PLAN OR FUTURE LAND USE FOR RESIDENTIAL.
IT'S NOT GOING TO CHANGE THEIR USE OF IT AND THE ABILITY TO USE IT FOR THE PARK.
YEAH. WHAT ADDRESS IS THAT? 5124 EAST FOURTH. YES, MA'AM.
BUT SHOW THAT THAT ONE THAT'S PURPLE IN THE CBD.
RESIDENTIAL. AND IS THAT PARCEL LANDLOCKED? YES. YEAH. RIGHT.
BUT STEPHEN WOULD HAVE TO ACQUIRE IT.
STEPHEN BROWN, IS THAT A HOUSE RIGHT ABOVE IT? IT'S A DUPLEX, A RESIDENTIAL DUPLEX.
YEAH, THAT. AND SO RIGHT NOW, AS FAR AS OWNS THAT PROPERTY, THAT'S THE PARKING, RIGHT? THIS WHOLE ENTIRE AREA HERE IS.
BUT IS IT A SEPARATE LEGAL LOT? I KNOW IT, YEAH, IT'S A SEPARATE LOT, BUT IT'S LANDLOCKED.
IT'S ONE BIG LOT. THAT IS ONE PLAT.
OKAY. THE YELLOW LINE REPRESENTS THE PARCEL BOUNDARY.
OKAY. AND THIS PURPLE LINE THAT COMES THROUGH IT.
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OKAY. WE'RE GOING TO TAKE DAD'S BACKYARD AND TURN IT INTO A PARKING LOT.MY DAD GREW UP IN THE HOUSE RIGHT OFF THE STREET FOR A FEW YEARS.
RIGHT. THAT'S WHERE STEVE'S OFFICE IS OUT THERE NOW.
WHICH ONE? STEPHEN BROWN RIGHT THERE.
OH, SO THAT'S IT'S AN OFFICE RIGHT NOW.
HE PROBABLY LIVES ON THE OTHER ONES A DUPLEX.
SO DO WE. SO, A QUESTION IS, DO WE DO THE CBD WHERE THE STEVE BROWN IS, AND WHICH INCLUDE THAT LOT BELOW? NO, WE DON'T WANT TO EXPAND THE CBD.
BECAUSE ACROSS THE STREET WILL STILL BE CBD.
SO, WE'RE GOING TO TURN IT PURPLE THING.
SOME COMMERCIAL BAND FOR BOTH OF THOSE.
AGAIN, CONCERNED ABOUT AFFECTING SOMEONE'S COMMERCIAL PROPERTY.
DO YOU GUYS WANT TO DO? MOVE SOUTH.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT LEAVING THE CBD AS IT'S MARKED THERE.
TO THE EAST OF THAT WOULD BE FUTURE LAND USE WOULD BE RESIDENTIAL.
YES, WE HAVE BUT IT ALSO REMEMBER LOOK AT ENCROACHES BACK INTO OTHER RESIDENTIAL AREAS RIGHT.
THAT'S THE REAL REASON YOU DO THAT.
IT'S NOT BECAUSE IT'S WRONG PERPETUALLY.
IT'S JUST BECAUSE IT WOULD ENCROACH BACK INTO THE OTHER RESIDENTIAL.
BUILDINGS IN THE VILLAGE AND ALMOST ADJACENT TO.
WELL, THAT'S WHERE HE ACQUIRED THAT PROPERTY WAS FROM THE BACK END OF THE BACK OF THAT LOT.
RIGHT. AND IT'LL STILL BE USED JUST LIKE IT'S BEEN USED NOW FOR DECADES.
PROBABLY. YEAH. AS HE CHANGES HIS RECIPES.
IT'LL BE USED THE WHOLE TIME AS HE STARTS WATERING DOWN HIS MARGARITAS.
HE'S GOT A WINNING, WINNING BUSINESS THERE.
DO YOU WANT ME TO SWITCH IT? THE SHADES TO THE FUTURE LAND USE? NO. OKAY, SO THE PURPLE LINE.
I WANT TO MAKE THE PURPLE LINE RED SO YOU CAN SEE IT BETTER.
RESIDENTIAL AND THEN RL OVER HERE.
SO THOSE ARE CURRENTLY IN THE FUTURE.
OFFICE. LOW INTENSITY COMMERCIAL.
AND THESE ARE WHICH BUILDINGS THE POTTERIES LOOKS LIKE.
THE POTTERIES REPRESENT ART, THE IPAD, AND I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THIS.
THAT MIGHT BE RESIDENTIAL INSTRUCTIONAL BUILDING.
OKAY. IS THERE A DANCE PLACE OR SOMETHING? THAT'S WHERE THERE'S A SCHOOL OF SOME SORT THERE OR SOMETHING.
OKAY, SO THE STRUCTURES THEMSELVES ARE HOMES, AREN'T THEY? THEY'RE HOMES, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE SINGLE-FAMILY HISTORICAL HOMES IS WHAT THEY ARE.
ALLISON'S HOUSE WAS. AND THEN THAT WAS WHERE HIS CLINIC WAS.
YEAH, ALL THOSE ARE MY SOURCES.
SO, THIS DAUGHTER'S HOUSE NEXT DOOR WAS DOWN ON THE NEXT STREET, I THINK, ISN'T IT? YEAH, THAT'S WEST COLLEGE.
UH, SO CURRENTLY THEY'RE ZONED COMMERCIAL, SO THEY'RE NOT IN THE CBD.
THESE TWO PROPERTIES ARE ZONED CBD.
AND THE FUTURE LAND USE IS LOW INTENSITY COMMERCIAL.
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AND SO, IF WE CHANGE IT FROM LOW INTENSITY, THAT MEANS WE WENT TO CBD.THAT WOULD BE LESS PARKING, RIGHT? HE JUST ADDS, MAKES IT QUESTIONABLE WHAT IT IS.
WELL, NO, I'M JUST ASKING ABOUT GOING FROM LOW INTENSITY COMMERCIAL TO CBD.
THERE'S MORE PARKING WITH MORE PARKING REQUIREMENTS, WITH LOW INTENSITY COMMERCIAL.
RIGHT? CORRECT. AND SO, UM, I DON'T KNOW WHY.
I DON'T KNOW WHY WE WOULD CHANGE THAT TO CBD.
WE SHOULD GO TO R75 BECAUSE OF THE NATURE OF THOSE HISTORICAL HOUSES.
SO CAN YOU GO CAN YOU SCOOT UP A LITTLE BIT AND SEE WHAT WE'VE GOT ABOVE.
SO, THIS, OF COURSE, IS PARKING LOTS.
SO, THIS IS ALL OUR RL, RL AND THEN SOMEWHERE IN THERE.
THIS RED LINE TO THE EAST IS RL, TO THE WEST IS CBD, WHO IT GIVES US.
IT GIVES US A CLEAR PULL IT DOWN JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE SO WE CAN SEE NORTH.
YEAH. THANK YOU FOR THE GEOGRAPHIC DIRECTION.
THANK YOU. WELL, IT'S GOING TO BE ACROSS THE STREET FROM CBD.
YOUR MOTHER'S ABILITY TO DO WHAT THEY WANT WITH THE PROPERTY.
DO EITHER ONE OF THOSE HOUSES HAVE ANY KIND OF HISTORICAL LIFE? ABSOLUTELY. ARE THEY DESIGNATED? ARE THEY DESIGNATED YET? DR. ALLISON LIVED IN THAT HOUSE ON NEXT TO THE PARKING LOT THERE.
AND THE OTHER HOUSE IS WHERE HIS CLINIC WAS.
ARE THEY IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT? SO, THEY HAVE TO HAVE WITCHCRAFT STILL UNDER THAT OR THEY HAVE THAT OVERLAY, RIGHT? I DON'T KNOW. OKAY.
DOES ANYBODY KNOW? I DON'T BELIEVE I HAVE.
AND WHAT ABOUT THE TOWNSHIP? THEY'RE INSIDE THE TOWNSHIP. DO YOU HAVE IT IN THERE WITH IT? BECAUSE THE TOWNSHIP IS A LARGER BOUNDARY OF THE ORIGINAL TOWN.
SO, THESE AREN'T IT? NO, NO. OKAY.
SO, SOMEONE COULD COME IN AND LEVEL THE BUILDINGS.
WELL, IF IT'S WITHIN THE HISTORIC TOWNSHIP, THEY'LL NEED TO GET A CFA.
GO THROUGH HISTORICAL TOWNSHIP.
CORRECT. IT'S STILL PROTECTED.
AND THEN, WHAT IS THAT DOWN THERE? I KNOW THAT THAT'S THE ACQUISITION.
THAT'S THE FUNERAL HOME. OKAY.
YEAH. MY DAD TELLS ME TO MAKE IT RESIDENTIAL.
SO THAT WHOLE AREA SHOWN AS LC TO RESIDENTIAL OR YOU'RE SAYING BRING THAT LINE DOWN FROM THE NORTH? NO, I THINK THAT WHOLE CORNER FROM SMITH, FROM SMITH TO SOUTH PROPERTIES TO BE RESIDENTIAL.
AND THEN WE HAVE A PROFESSIONAL SOUND PART.
YEAH. THIS ALL IN HERE IS LOW INTENSITY COMMERCIAL.
OH, WELL, THEN ALL THAT NEEDS TO BE.
WE'RE JUST GOING TO HAVE TWO RESIDENTIAL, RIGHT.
YEAH. YOU MIGHT NEED TO READ OFF THE ADDRESSES.
WE GOT 204 EAST FRANKLIN, 212 EAST FRANKLIN, 121 EAST COLLEGE.
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THAT'S WHERE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WHERE THE WRIGHT FAMILY IS.ARE THOSE RESIDENTIALS CURRENTLY? YEAH. SO, LEMOYNE IS RESIDENTIAL, COMMERCIAL, RESIDENTIAL, RESIDENTIAL.
AND THAT'S THE PROFESSIONAL OFFICE.
YEAH. SO, IS THAT RED? IS THAT A RED BRICK HOUSE? YEAH. IS IT? PROBABLY. [INAUDIBLE].
PRETTY GOOD WITH THIS? YES. ALL RIGHT. LET'S GO SOUTH.
MIC]. WE HAD THE LOW INTENSITY FROM OUR DIP DOWN INTO HERE.
AND THEN YOU GET BACK RESIDENTIAL TO THOSE.
SOUTH SIDE OF THE STORAGE UNITS ON COLLEGE.
HE'S TALKING ABOUT THE COLLEGE STREET.
214 COLLEGE IS NEXT TO, YOU KNOW, OH, RENATA'S.
AND THEN WHAT'S FURTHER TO THE WEST FROM WHERE YOU'RE AT? THAT. OH, NO, THERE'S THIS SMALL BUILDING TO THE WEST.
YEAH. WELL, I MAY STAIRSTEP THE 206 THE ONE VERSUS [INAUDIBLE] OFFICE THAT ONE.
THAT HAS. NO, I DON'T THINK THAT'S A HISTORIC BUILDING AT ALL.
IT'S A BUSINESS. SO, ALL THOSE ARE BUSINESS.
AND THEN THE CN IS WHAT'S THAT STAND FOR? COMMERCIAL NEIGHBORHOOD, COMMERCIAL ZONING.
COMMERCIAL. WHAT IS IT NOW? IT'S NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL ZONING, LLC.
BUT WHAT IS THERE NOW? IT'S THE HAIR SALON.
OKAY. AND SO, I THINK THOSE ARE BUSINESSES, AND THEY SHOULD STAY.
THAT. THE FUTURE LAND USE IS LC.
WHICH ALLOWS FOR MORE PARKING.
THAT'S THE DORIS HOUSE THAT THAT ONE OUGHT TO BE.
I JUST THINK ALL THOSE OUGHT TO BE RESIDENTIAL ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE OTHER RESIDENTIAL AREAS.
IT MAKES A LOT MORE SENSE, AT LEAST UP TO 214.
YEAH. 26 EAST COLLEGE 214 EAST COLLEGE CB TO RL OR CENTRAL BUSINESS TO LOW INTENSITY RESIDENTIAL AND IN 224 EAST COLLEGE LOW INTENSITY COMMERCIAL TO RESIDENTIAL.
THEY'RE GOING WITH THE EXCEPTION OF 206.
RIGHT. YEAH, I WOULD, I WOULD STOP.
I WOULDN'T DO 206. I WOULD STOP AT 214.
WHY, IF YOUR ARGUMENT'S BECAUSE IT'S NOT A HISTORIC HOME.
LIKE THERE'S NO HOME THERE RIGHT NOW.
YEAH. BUT ACROSS THE STREET'S RESIDENTIAL IF THE ARGUMENTS RESIDENTIAL.
SO THEN BECAUSE THESE ARE ALL BUSINESSES AND ACROSS THE STREET A RESIDENTIAL CURRENTLY.
AND THEN. YEAH, THE POA, WHICH IS THE BUSINESS.
WELL, I THINK FOR LARRY'S, WE JUST WANT TO CAPTURE SOME OF THE HISTORICAL HOMES FOR THE FUTURE WHERE SOMEBODY WANTS TO PURCHASE THAT AND TURN IT INTO A HOUSE AND LIVE IN IT VERSUS KEEP IT AS A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY, WHEREAS THAT ONE THAT BUTTS UP AGAINST THE BACK OF A WAREHOUSE LIKELY IS NOT GOING TO GET TURNED INTO A RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY NEARLY AS QUICKLY AS THE ONE TO THE EAST OF IT.
YEAH, I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT JUST ANYBODY COULD DO THAT IF THEY WANTED TO.
SO, YOU'RE SAYING GO ALL THE WAY TO ESSEX? TO ESSEX? I WOULD NOT INCLUDE RESIDENTIAL.
I'M MORE FOR THE LANDOWNER CONTINUING TO KEEP THE PROPERTY AS IT IS.
I LIKE RESIDENTIAL ACROSS FROM RESIDENTIAL.
SO, FOR ALL THREE OF THEM, RESIDENTIAL.
UH, THAT'S THAT OFF? THAT'S NOT A WAREHOUSE.
ISN'T THAT A SERIES OF OFFICES? THAT'S OFFICES.
YEAH, THAT. IS THAT THE WINN-DIXIE?
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THAT WAS THE OLD WINN-DIXIE.WOW. OH, REALLY? YES. THAT'S ALL CBD THERE.
AND THEN THAT LITTLE AREA RIGHT THERE SHOULDN'T.
SO THAT RED LINE THAT GOES AROUND, THAT'S JUST THE HISTORIC AREA OR THE DESIGNATION.
LET'S MAKE SURE WE'RE ALL TOGETHER HERE ON THIS ONE UP HERE.
WHAT ARE WE GOING TO? WHAT ABOUT THOSE LOTS AND THOSE THREE LOTS.
OKAY, SO ALL THREE OF THOSE LOTS WOULD BE OUT OF THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT AND RESIDENTIAL.
OKAY. HAS THERE BEEN ANY TALK OVER THE YEARS, ESPECIALLY WITH THE RAILROAD DISTRICT, ABOUT REDEVELOPING THE CMU, THE WAREHOUSES? WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY APPLICATIONS COME FORWARD.
YEAH. STORAGE IS USUALLY A MOBILE HOME.
IT MAKES SENSE FOR THAT TO BE RESIDENTIAL.
FUTURE LAND USE. YEAH, IT PROBABLY DOES.
IF I CAN TEAR THE WAREHOUSES DOWN AND PUT A NICE ZONING, THEIRS KIND OF STICKS OUT LIKE A SORE.
YEAH, IT CERTAINLY DOESN'T NEED TO BE INDUSTRIAL DOWNTOWN.
IT COULD USE SOMETHING THAT'S RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE RAILROAD.
RIGHT. WE'VE GOT HOUSES ALL DOWN THERE, THOUGH.
IT'S NOT LIKE THAT. I GUESS IT WAS RESIDENTIAL.
I THINK IT OUGHT TO BE RESIDENTIAL DOWN THERE.
AS FAR AS THE FUTURE LAND USE.
WHAT WOULD WE DECIDE ON OF THREE LOTS.
RESIDENTIAL. OKAY, SO WE'RE JUST COVERING RESIDENTIAL ALL THE WAY DOWN TO HUDGINS.
IF WE'RE MOVING IN THAT DIRECTION, WHY NOT? WOULD THAT MAKE SENSE? I CERTAINLY DON'T THINK WE OUGHT TO LEAVE THE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL THERE.
RIGHT. WHAT IS THAT? DICKENSON. IT'S SOME SORT OF BUSINESS.
IT'S NOT VIRGINIA TIRES THERE.
CAN'T WAIT. SO? SO NEXT TO BETWEEN DICKENSON AND JJ'S.
WHAT IS THAT LITTLE PURPLE SPOT? IS THAT JUST A PARKING LOT? NO, THAT'S A COMMERCIAL BARBECUE PLACE.
BUT IS THAT PART OF THE CBD KIND OF JUST UNUSED LAND? YEAH. IS THERE A PROPERTY? NO, IT'S ERIC DICKINSON'S PROPERTY, BUT IT'S NOT IN THE CBD.
WHERE'S THE PROPERTY LINES FOR THAT? THE YELLOW LINE IS PROPERTY.
THIS PRO-PEACE. HE'S GOT TWO DIFFERENT ZONINGS ON HIS PROPERTY.
I DON'T REALLY MIND THINKING OF THAT AS COMMERCIAL MIXED USE, THAT LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.
WE DON'T HAVE THAT ZONING CATEGORY ANYMORE.
THEY'D HAVE TO BE NLC, LOW INTENSITY COMMERCIAL.
YEAH. I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT BEING COMMERCIAL EITHER IN THAT AREA.
AND THEN. WELL, BUT IF WE'RE GOING TO PROPOSE RESIDENTIAL FOR THOSE THAT, IN SEEING THE TWO PROPERTIES TO THE WEST, WE OUGHT TO BE BACKING IT UP TO RESIDENTIAL, TO THE COMMERCIAL.
NOW THAT I FEEL DIFFERENTLY ABOUT THAT ATTRACT ON THE OTHER SIDE OVER HERE, WHERE THAT LINE GOES DOWN AND WEST, IF YOU JUST WENT STRAIGHT DOWN FROM THAT, THE PROPERTIES ON WHARF STREET AND THEN LEAVE THE REST OF THAT COMMERCIAL.
SO NOT BUT NOT LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.
LIKE RESIDENTIAL BECAUSE IT ALL BACKS UP TO RESIDENTIAL.
RESIDENTIAL. I'M TALKING ABOUT WEST WITH THE RESIDENTIAL AND THEN CBD.
THEN BRING THE CBD ALL THE WAY DOWN THERE IF YOU WANTED TO.
YEAH. SO, 113 EAST HUDGENS WOULD BE THE CBD.
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JUST SEEMS LIKE 131.I KNOW, I DON'T KNOW. YES, MA'AM.
[INAUDIBLE] BUSINESSES AND THEN 131 EAST HUDGENS WOULD BE.
DO YOU WANT TO MAKE THAT [INAUDIBLE] RATHER THAN, SAY, OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? YOU HAVE TO HAVE SOME PARKING DOWN THE DOWN THE STREET, SQUARING IT OFF THE CBD, SQUARING IT OFF AT THE CBD.
YOU KNOW, INSTEAD OF SQUARING IT OFF, WOULD YOU WANT TO MAKE THAT CASTLE? THAT WOULD BE [INAUDIBLE] INSTEAD OF MAKING IT CBD? YEAH, BECAUSE OF THE PARKING ISSUE.
THAT'S THE ONLY REASON I WOULD MAKE SENSE.
JUST TO SQUARE IT OFF FOR PARKING NOW, IT WOULD HAVE THE CBD ISSUE.
THAT'S FINE, TOO. YEAH, WELL IT'S COMMERCIAL.
IT NEEDS TO BE COMMERCIAL UP AGAINST THOSE OTHER PROPERTIES, RIGHT? YEAH. IF YOU GO TO THE LINE STRAIGHT DOWN, WHERE THE WAREHOUSES ARE THERE.
BRING THAT DOWN THERE AND EVERYTHING BACK TO THE RIGHT TO BE RESIDENTIAL ON THE FUTURE LAND USE.
AND THEN THAT SINGLE PROPERTY THAT'S LEFT LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.
YEAH. THAT ONE. MAYBE MAKE THAT TO BE LOW INTENSITY FOR THE COMMERCIAL.
THAT WAY THEY HAVE TO PROVIDE SOME.
THAT WAY THEY'LL HAVE TO PROVIDE THEIR OWN PARKING.
AND YOU COULD DO THE I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THAT OTHER LITTLE TRACK.
WHICH IS BETWEEN THAT AND NEIGHBORHOOD.
OKAY, SO WHAT ABOUT THE LITTLE THE LITTLE PART THAT'S IN THE CBD THERE OR IT'S PURPLE.
WELL, IT'S PART OF THAT SAME 113 SAME.
SO JUST MAKE THAT WHOLE THING LOW INTENSITY COMMERCIAL.
AND LIKE THE IDEA, THE COMMERCIAL.
I KNOW, IT JUST SEEMS LIKE YOU COULD DO SOMETHING COOL WITH THAT.
YOU KNOW THE RAILROAD DISTRICT.
BUT WHAT ABOUT 351 EAST HUDGENS? DOES THAT GO TO RESIDENTIAL? I THINK SO, YEAH.
IF EVERYTHING ELSE IS, [INAUDIBLE] SOON.
YEAH, AGAIN, I STILL THINK ALL THAT.
YOU KNOW THAT LOT AND THE ONE TO THE LEFT? THESE TWO? YES.
BIT LONG, SO THE SMALLER ONES JUST OVER AN ACRE AND THEN THE OTHER ONES JUST UNDER TWO.
THREE ACRES. BUT THEY WOULD BOTH INDEPENDENTLY QUALIFY UNDER THE BELOW COMMERCIAL SUBDIVISION.
I THINK THAT YOUR OPTIONS THERE.
YOU NEED TO LOOK AT THOSE AS THE WAREHOUSE OR THE STORAGE HOUSE AND THE SEC TO THE TO THE EAST AS LOW INTENSITY COMMERCIAL OR RESIDENTIAL.
YEAH, THE WHOLE AREA WOULD BE COMMERCIAL.
I THINK THAT'S JUST REALLY EXCESS RIGHT OF WAY BECAUSE THAT LOT'S BEEN PLATTED AND DEVELOPED.
THAT MONSTER GARAGE WITH THE UNIT WAS BUILT THAT JUST NEEDS TO BE CHANGED TO WHATEVER TO RL.
THIS LITTLE WEIRD PIECE WAS WHAT ADDRESS IS THAT? IT IS.
ONE 6365 EAST HUDGENS JASON SOUTHERN SLICE NEEDS TO BE LOOK LIKE YEAH PIZZA SPINE PIZZA PIECE.
WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THAT? I WANT TO SAY COMMERCIAL OR RESIDENTIAL, I THINK, OR INTENSITY COMMERCIAL WOULD BE NICE.
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I LIKE LOW INTENSITY COMMERCIAL.YEAH, I DEFINITELY THINK COMMERCIAL WILL BE BETTER FOR SURE, TOO.
WELL THEN LET'S DO THE WHOLE THING THERE BECAUSE THAT LOT IS JUST UNDER TWO ACRES.
SO, IT WOULD QUALIFY INDEPENDENTLY IN THAT SCENE BECAUSE IT'S LESS THAN TWO ACRES.
BASED ON THE NEW CATEGORIES WE TALKED ABOUT.
SO, BOTH OF THOSE WOULD WORK OUT FOR THAT LOW INTENSITY COMMERCIAL ZONING.
OKAY, IF THAT'S YOUR PLEASURE TO DO THAT, SINCE IT'S ACROSS FROM THE RAIL AREA.
I LIKE THAT WE HAVE THREE PARCELS.
YEAH. CMU I'M PRETTY SURE IT'S.
THAT ONE, THAT WAS TV. EXCUSE ME.
AND THEN LOW INTENSITY COMMERCIAL.
THAT ONE THERE. WE SAID TO MIKE INTENSITY COMMERCIAL ALREADY.
SO, IT'S JUST THE ONES BACK TO THE EAST HERE THE LARGE TRACT AND THE CC TRACK.
THAT WAS YOUR PLEASURE? YES. YEAH, I LIKE THAT COMMERCIAL LOAN.
EVERYTHING ELSE WE GOT BACK DOWN HERE.
IT DOESN'T SKIP OVER GRAPEVINE, I MEAN, BETSY DOESN'T KNOW.
YOU MEAN LIKE THE AREA, IF YOU WILL.
UH, YOU MEAN THE ASSESSMENT AREA OR THE ACTUAL FUTURE LAND USE.
THE ACTUAL FUTURE LAND USE? GOTCHA. WE DIDN'T ADDRESS THERE'S A COUPLE.
SELF-INDULGENCE. THERE'S A LITTLE BIT.
I THINK WE'VE GOTTEN ALL OF THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT, FUTURE LAND, CBD.
YEAH, THAT WAS IN THE BOUNDARY LINES.
YES, MA'AM. AND BUT IT'S CMU, RIGHT? AS FAR AS MATH.
YEAH. IN THE PURPLE IS THE FUTURE USE.
I MEAN, THAT WHOLE FAMOUS CMU.
YEAH. WHICH DOESN'T EXIST, WHICH IS THIS THIS IS ZONING CBD.
YEAH. AND I'M GOING TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S NOT PART.
SO, YOU GOT IT ALL. THAT BLUE HIGHLIGHTED LINE IS THE WHOLE CBD.
THAT'S ALL WE INTENDED TO FINISH TONIGHT WAS THE CBD.
SO NOW THE NEXT QUESTION IS WHERE DO YOU WANT TO GO NEXT.
NO. WHAT QUADRANT DO YOU HAVE THAT DIVIDED INTO QUADRANTS BEFORE OR SOMETHING? NORTH. WEST. YEAH.
WE WANT TO KIND OF MOVE. CAN YOU ZOOM IN A LITTLE BIT PLEASE.
ZOOM IN. OKAY. TO THE CENTRAL CITY? YES. I DON'T KNOW WHY WE COULDN'T JUST KEEP GOING.
YEAH, I WAS GOING TO GO SOUTH OR NORTH SOUTH LINE AND GO WEST SOUTHWEST AND TACKLE DALLAS ROAD.
SOUTHWEST. BUT WHAT THAT GETS US STILL IN THE PART OF THE TRANSIT DISTRICT.
RIGHT. SO, HE SAID, NO DRINK UNTIL WE GET THE TRAIN, TILL WE GET THE SANDWICH.
GOT IT, GOT IT, GOT IT. LET'S GO NORTH.
IS THERE AN EASY ONE? YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
YOU MAY NOT MAKE THE LET'S MAKE THE NEW YEAR'S BREAK.
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SORRY. YEAH, WELL, WE COULD DO.WE CAN DO THE CENTRAL, NORTHEAST AND NORTHWEST, WHICH GETS US IN THE CORE TOWN, WHICH WE TALKED ABOUT TRYING TO GET THOSE DONE ALREADY, WHICH SHOULDN'T BE TOO MUCH TO DO.
OTHER THAN SOME OF THESE AREAS WHERE WE'VE HAD SOME TRANSITIONS.
SO, WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO PREPARE MAPS FOR THOSE TWO AREAS? LET'S LOOK AT THOSE TWO AREAS IN X.
AND I'D SAY LET'S LOOK AT NORTHEAST FIRST.
PARTS OF THE TWO IN THAT NORTH CENTRAL NORTHEAST SECTION AS WELL.
IT DEFINITELY ENCOMPASSED THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT'S DOWN HERE IN DALLAS.
IT WAS MAINLY TO ASSESSMENT AREAS.
WE MIGHT NEED TO USE THE RAIL LINE AS THE BOUNDARY ON THE SOUTH.
YOU'RE DOING GOOD. OKAY, SO SEE THAT GREEN AREA? THAT'S THE TRANSITION ZONE.
LET'S DO A LITTLE BIT OF PORTIONS OF IT.
MAKE THE RAILROAD TRACK THE BOUNDARY ON THE SOUTH.
LET'S LOOK EVERYTHING NORTH OF THERE UP TO NORTHWEST HIGHWAY IN THE CENTRAL NORTHEAST.
SO, WE'LL REVISE THE ASSESSMENT AREA MAP.
BUT WE CAN JUST HAVE A TOD ASSESSMENT AREA.
YEAH, I THINK YOU WANT TO DO THAT.
BUT WE'VE GOT TO DO THAT LATER BECAUSE WE'VE GOT TO ADDRESS.
SO, I'LL JUST KIND OF EXPLODE THAT OUT.
YEAH. WE JUST TAKE THAT OUT OF THE NORTHWEST CENTRAL AND NORTHEAST CENTRAL.
ABSOLUTELY. I LOOK AT THOSE TWO.
I MEAN, I LOVE QUESTIONS ABOUT DATA.
OKAY, GUYS. INTERESTING TO KNOW THAT YOU WANT TO ADD, YOU KNOW, LIKE.
YEAH. JUST KIND OF VANILLA SPIN UP THE TRANSIT DISTRICT IN THERE.
AND FURTHER, YOU WANT TO LOOK AT ZONING AND FUTURE LAND USE.
SO, EVERYTHING'S HIGHWAY COMMERCIAL DOWN THROUGH THERE, ALONG THE EAST WALL? RIGHT. SO, IT'S PRETTY CLEAN.
OTHER THAN THAT, TO THE GOVERNMENTAL.
SO NOW LET'S LOOK AT THE SAME PLACE.
BUT LET'S LOOK AT THE ZONING, ACTUAL ZONING, GOVERNMENTAL GET HOPPED UP THERE.
IT USED TO BE A SCHOOL OWNED BY THE SCHOOL DISTRICT.
THANK YOU. I GOT A CALL OUT SOME OF THIS STUFF BECAUSE I GOT WAY TOO MUCH STUFF.
HERE'S THE ZONING. THIS IS THE ZONING.
SO, I WOULD SAY THERE'S VERY LITTLE COMMERCIAL ALONG THE NORTH PART OF WALL STREET.
YEAH. LET'S ATTACK THAT ONE NEXT.
AS FAR AS, LIKE THE HARD COPY MAPS, DO YOU GUYS LIKE HAVING ZONING SEPARATE FROM FUTURE LAND USE, OR DO YOU WANT THEM TOGETHER? SEPARATE. SEPARATE.
ANYBODY HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT WE'VE DONE TONIGHT OR WHAT WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT NEXT? OKAY. WE'RE GOING TO ADJOURN THE WORKSHOP.
GETTING USED TO BRINGING THEM.
[REGULAR MEETING CALL TO ORDER]
LET'S GO AHEAD AND CALL THE BRIEFING TO ORDER.SO, THERE ARE, WE HAVE FOUR JOINT PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION THIS EVENING.
[2. Conduct a briefing session to discuss all items scheduled on tonight’s agenda. No action will be taken. Each item will be considered during the Regular Session, which immediately follows the Joint Public Hearings. ]
THE FIRST ONE IS FOR THE EXISTING 7-ELEVEN AT 3581 MILL BOULEVARD, PRESENTLY ZONED CC COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL.[01:10:06]
THEY'RE REQUESTING TO AMEND THEIR FLOOR PLAN ASSOCIATED WITH THE SITE PLAN AND MASTER SITE DEVELOPMENT PLAN.FOR A CONVENIENCE STORE WITH GASOLINE SALES FOR THE PURPOSES OF REMODELING.
INTERIOR OF THAT EXISTING 7-ELEVEN TO INCORPORATE LAREDO TACO COMPANY.
SO, THIS SHOWS YOU THE LOT ONE, A ONE IN COMPARISON TO THE OVERALL MASTER SITE PLAN AND THE INTERIOR CHANGES. THE EXISTING 7-ELEVEN CONVENIENCE STORE IS APPROXIMATELY 3000FT², AND THEY WOULD BE REMODELING 217FT² WITH FOUR INDOOR SEATS WITHIN THE STORE.
THEY HAVE A TOTAL REQUIRED PARKING IS 26.
BASICALLY, THEY'RE NOT REALLY A RESTAURANT.
IS THAT RIGHT? TAKE OUT RESTAURANT.
DIDN'T THEY SAY A FEW FOR INDOOR SEATS OR SEATS? WHERE ARE THE FOUR SEATS? THEY'RE AT THE ENTRANCE RIGHT HERE.
OH, OKAY. SO, THEY'RE GOING INTO THE WINE SELLING BUSINESS THEN? WELL, THEY'VE HAD OTHER BUSINESSES.
WELL. JUST OUT OF CURIOSITY TO SHOW MY IGNORANCE.
WHAT COULD THEY DO WITHIN THE SPACE WITHOUT COMING TO US? SO, YOU SEE, LIKE THEY COULD PROBABLY CHANGE THE ORIENTATION OF THEIR SHELVING, THINGS LIKE THAT.
THIS WAS JUST HAPPENSTANCE, BUT THIS IS 711 EAST WALL STREET.
THE RELATION TO THE CONVENIENCE STORE.
IF APPROVED, IT WOULD EXPAND THE EXISTING R-7.5 DISTRICT TO ITS IMMEDIATE EAST AND THEN BE VERY SIMILAR TO THE ZERO-LOT LINE ZONING.
HOMES THAT ARE DEVELOPED TO ITS IMMEDIATE WEST.
QUESTIONS? THERE'S A PLAT ASSOCIATED WITH IT. WELL, IT'S ON THE PUBLIC HEARING.
IT DOESN'T NEED A PUBLIC HEARING.
IT'S NEVER BEEN PLATTED BEFORE.
SO, IT'S JUST LOOKING TO BUILD A NEW SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL HOME ON THE LOT.
IT MEETS ALL THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE ZONING.
THIS NEXT REQUEST IS A TEXT AMENDMENT TO SECTION 60 SIGNED STANDARDS OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE.
AND THIS IS THE FORMER PAYTON WRIGHT AUTO DEALERSHIP.
THE DEVELOPER OF THIS NOW FIVE LOT RESTAURANT DEVELOPMENT IS SEEKING TO AMEND THE ZONING ORDINANCE AND ORDER TO ALLOW FOR SHARED SIGNAGE BETWEEN LOTS 3R-2 AND 3R-1.
SO, THEY COME TO YOU AND SAY WHAT WE NEED.
WE OBVIOUSLY NEED MORE SIGNS, MORE SIGNAGE.
AND THEN DOES THE CITY SAY YOU HAVE TO AMEND THIS ORDINANCE? IT'S SORT OF SURPRISING TO ME TO AMEND IT ORDINANCE.
REMEMBER WHEN THEY FIRST CAME AND GOT THIS WHOLE TRACK?
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THEY WERE WE LIMITED THE NUMBER.RIGHT. EXACTLY I REMEMBER THAT.
SO, THE ONLY WAY THEY'RE GOING TO GET TO HAVE SIGNAGE IS TO SHARE.
YEAH. AND SINCE THEY'RE NOT ON THE SAME LOT, IT'S DIFFERENT BECAUSE YOU CAN'T HAVE AN OFFSITE SIGN.
YOU HAVE TO AMEND THE ORDINANCE.
THE ORDINANCE. WE CAN'T JUST SAY JUST THIS ONCE.
YOU CAN HAVE IT BECAUSE IT'D BE VIOLATING THE OTHER ORDINANCE ABOUT HAVING AN OFFSITE SIGN.
SO, THEY ORIGINALLY WENT AFTER FOUR SIGNS.
THERE WAS THREE LOTS ORIGINALLY.
YES. FOR THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT DON'T HAVE TO COME BACK TO US WHEN WE PASS THIS ORDINANCE.
I MEAN, IT'LL START LIKE ESTABLISH A PRECEDENT AND WILL THE PRECEDENTS ALREADY THERE FOR THE MALL AND OTHER COMMERCIAL CORRIDORS. SO, THIS IS SIMPLY ADDING THESE TWO LOTS IN.
SO SPECIFIC TO THIS IS SPECIFIC ADDITION.
THEY STILL HAD TO FOLLOW THE CURRENT ORDINANCES WHICH DOESN'T ALLOW THEM TO HAVE AN OFFSITE.
GOT IT. ARE THE OTHER EXCEPTIONS GRAPEVINE THOSE THAT ARE OFF SITE? ARE THOSE THE ISSUE OFF PREMISES, JUST LIKE THE PROPERTY NEXT DOOR? WHAT DO YOU MEAN? THE PROPERTY NEXT DOOR? WELL, JUST WHERE IT'S IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT.
SO, WITH THE MALL, IT'S MORE AN AREA OF COMMON DEVELOPMENT WITH MULTIPLE LOTS.
SOME OF THEM ARE BISECTED BY PUBLIC RIGHTS OF WAY.
SO, IT'S MAINLY JUST TREATING THAT WHOLE DEVELOPMENT AREA AS ONE PREMISE FOR SIGNAGE PURPOSES.
I HAVEN'T DONE ANY LIKE WAY DOWN THE BLOCK IN A DIFFERENT.
I THINK THERE ARE SIGNS THAT AREN'T BECAUSE THEY'RE MULTI-TENANT SIGNS.
YEAH, THEY CAN BE SOMEWHERE BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF THEM ARE DIRECTIONAL TYPE THINGS TO THAT.
SO, THEY'LL KNOW THAT WHERE THEY HAVE TO GO TO GET TO THOSE SIGNS.
SO, IT'S PRETTY OPEN WIDE OPEN THERE.
THEY'RE LIMITED TO THE NUMBER OF SIGNS AND SO FORTH.
THAT'S THE 40 AND THEN 20 FOOT IN HEIGHT FOR THE SIGNED CABINET.
CAN THEY GO 40 AND 20? IT'S GOT TO STOP AT 40 AND SIGNS BELOW THE 40.
PAGE TWO OF THE PRESENTATION, SUBSECTION 1622 B NOT TO EXCEED 24. MAXIMUM 36.
24. FOR POLE SIGNS AND MULTI-TENANT POLL SIGNS EXCEEDING 20FT IN HEIGHT.
THAT'S FOR THE CABINET AND THE EFFECTIVE AREA OF THE SIGN.
DIMENSIONS FOR THE TOP OF THE CABINET WILL BE 40FT.
COOL. AND THEN THE NEXT JOINT PUBLIC HEARING ITEM IS THE AMENDMENT TO THE COMPREHENSIVE MASTER PLAN.
THESE ARE THE CHANGES TO THE TABLE AND SUBSECTION OF SECTION FOR LAND USE.
FOR KEEPING NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL DISTRICT WHOLLY WITHIN THE LOW INTENSITY COMMERCIAL AND LEAVING THE TWO ACRES OR LESS.
CAVEAT BEING THAT CORRECT? CORRECT. IT'S NOT ALLOWED IN CC.
CORRECT. SO, THESE ARE THE TABLE CHANGES THAT WERE DISCUSSED.
THIS COLOR FOR RESIDENTIAL, THIS COLOR FOR COMMERCIAL.
THOSE HAVE NEVER BEEN ADHERED TO IN PRACTICE.
SO, WE'RE ACTUALLY ASKING TO WRITE IN THE COLORS THAT ARE USED ON THE FUTURE.
IT REALLY HAS NO MATERIAL CHANGE IN WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO, BUT IT DOES MEMORIALIZE WHAT HAS BEEN DONE IN PRACTICE ON THE ONLINE MAP. OKAY.
WHAT'S THE? SO, LIKE THE REST? I MEAN, THE RESIDENTIAL THAT'S OVER TOP OF THE RETAIL THAT'S ON DALLAS AND MAIN.
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[INAUDIBLE]. RIGHT.SO, WHAT IS IT, WHAT CATEGORY WILL IT BE IN.
BUT HOW DOES A DEVELOPMENT EVER GET MADE AGAIN? IT HAS MIXED.
WELL, THEY CAN ZONE PIECES OF IT, BUT THERE'S NOTHING TO PROHIBIT THEM FROM ASKING FOR THAT AS A CONDITIONAL USE UNDER A COMMERCIAL CBD OR YES, COMMERCIAL.
OKAY. GOTCHA. THAT'S ALL I WAS CURIOUS ABOUT.
LIKE MAKE SURE THERE WAS STILL A HOW THEY COVERED.
THAT'S ANOTHER REASON WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE RAIL DISTRICT AREA TO KIND OF SEE, MAKE SURE WE GOT ALL THE TOOLS IN THERE THAT WE NEED FOR THE KIND OF DEVELOPMENT WE WANT THERE TO.
WHAT HAPPENS IF WE APPROVE THIS TONIGHT? THE STAFF GOING TO GO IN AND TAKE THE CURRENT FUTURE LAND USE MAP AND CHANGE IT.
NO. OKAY. WE'LL HAVE TO BRING THAT BACK TO YOU AND YOU'LL HAVE THIS DISCUSSION.
YES. WELL, I WAS HOPING THAT WASN'T GOING TO BE SOMETHING.
THIS. I KNOW BETSY WAS ASKING ABOUT THIS AT THE DECEMBER 13TH WORKSHOP.
IT THESE CHANGES DO NOT ACTUALLY CHANGE THE MAP.
THAT'S A SEPARATE EXERCISE IN SUBSEQUENT PROCESS.
SO, THE CHANGING THE TEXT OF THE COMPREHENSIVE.
AND THEN ONCE WE APPROVE THIS, WE'LL HAVE TO APPROVE, LIKE I SAID, THE MAP.
IT ALSO GOES THROUGH EACH ZONING CATEGORY AND MAKE SURE THAT WORDING IS APPROPRIATE.
FOR INSTANCE, LIKE THE GRAPEVINE FRONTAGE SPECIFICALLY STATES LOW INTENSITY COMMERCIAL.
I'M SORRY. THAT'S ALL FOR THE SESSION.
ALL RIGHT, WE'LL ADJOURN THE THREE.
AND FROM THE EXECUTIVE SESSION THAT BEGAN ABOUT 7:00.
MR. RUMBELOW, ANY ACTION OF THE COUNCIL AS A RESULT OF THE EXECUTIVE SESSION? NO, YOUR HONOR. ALL RIGHT.
THAT CONCLUDES THE 7:00 MEETING AT 7:30.
MR. CHAIRMAN, ARE YOU READY? YES, SIR. ALL RIGHT, COMMISSIONER HUTTON, ARE YOU READY? ALL RIGHT. WE'LL CALL THE 730 MEETING TO ORDER AND ASK YOU TO RISE FOR THE INVOCATION AND PLEDGE.
DEAR LORD, WE THANK YOU FOR THE MANY BLESSINGS YOU'VE BESTOWED ON OUR CITY.
YOU'RE WELCOME TO OUR MEETING TONIGHT.
A THIRD MEETING FOR THE SECOND MEETING OF THE MONTH.
THE THIRD TUESDAY OF THE MONTH.
WE'LL ASK THE STAFF TO INTRODUCE THE REQUEST THAT'S BEING MADE.
AND AFTER THE TESTIMONY IS TAKEN, WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
SHE HAS A FORM FOR YOU TO FILL OUT.
SO, WE HAVE A RECORD OF YOUR PARTICIPATION.
AND WE'LL CONSIDER THOSE LATER THIS EVENING.
AND AFTER THAT WE'LL BE, PICK UP WITH CITIZEN COMMENTS AND THE CITY'S AGENDA.
SO, WE WILL OPEN PUBLIC HEARING ON CONDITIONAL USE.
[4. Conditional Use Permit CU23-33 (7-Eleven) – City Council and Planning and Zoning Commission to conduct a public hearing relative to an application submitted by Jennifer Derenski requesting a conditional use permit to amend the previously approved site plan CU2019-02 (Ordinance No. 2019-006) for a master site development plan for gasoline sales and off premise consumption of alcoholic beverages (beer and wine only) in conjunction with a convenience store. This request is specifically to revise the floor plan to allow for a Laredo Taco Company restaurant within the existing 7-Eleven convenience store and gas station. The subject property is located at 3580 North Grapevine Mills Boulevard and is currently zoned “CC”, Community Commercial District. ]
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CU 23-33.GOOD EVENING, HONORABLE MAYOR.
MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL, MR. CHAIRMAN, AND MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.
THIS IS A REQUEST TO AMEND THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED SITE PLAN OF CONDITIONAL USE 19 ZERO TWO FOR MASTER SITE DEVELOPMENT PLAN WITH GASOLINE SALES AND OFF PREMISE CONSUMPTION OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE CONVENIENCE STORE WITH GASOLINE SALES.
THIS REQUEST IS SPECIFICALLY TO AMEND THE FLOOR PLAN OF THE EXISTING 7-ELEVEN CONVENIENCE STORE TO REMODEL IT AND ALLOW FOR LAREDO TACO COMPANY RESTAURANT WITHIN THE EXISTING BUILDING ENVELOPE.
WITH THIS REQUEST, THE APPLICANT INTENDS TO RELOCATE WINE STORAGE TO ALLOW THE FLOOR PLAN TO REMODEL TO ALLOW FOR A 217 SQUARE FOOT LAREDO TACO RESTAURANT WITHIN THE EXISTING 3000 SQUARE FOOT 7-ELEVEN CONVENIENCE STORE.
THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE, MR. MICHAEL MCMUNN, IS HERE THIS EVENING TO PRESENT TO YOU AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT THE COUNCIL AND COMMISSION MAY HAVE.
I'M WITH SOS CONSTRUCTION SERVICES.
I LIVE AT 125 GROVE AVENUE, PITTSBURGH, PA 15229.
SO I TRAVELED A LITTLE WAY TO MEET EVERYONE TONIGHT.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME, THOUGH.
UM, AS MENTIONED, WE ARE LOOKING TO INSTALL A LAREDO TACO COMPANY INTO THE EXISTING FOOTPRINT.
FIRST SLIDE I HAVE OBVIOUSLY IS THE STOREFRONT ITSELF.
WE DO HAVE A SIGNAGE PACKAGE IN FOR REVIEW RIGHT NOW.
CURRENTLY, THIS IS JUST A RENDERING.
IT MAY MODIFY SLIGHTLY DEPENDING ON WHAT THE REVIEW AND APPROVAL PROCESS GOES LIKE.
I HAVE, UM, TWO, TWO PICTURES.
ACTUALLY, THE ONE ON THE LEFT IS AN ACTUAL CLOSE UP OF THE LAREDO TACO COMPANY.
AND THE PICTURE ON THE RIGHT KIND OF GIVES YOU AN OVERALL LAYOUT OF THE FLOOR PLAN ITSELF, WITH THE LAREDO TACO COMPANY IN IT, AS WELL AS THE FOOD AND BEVERAGE AREAS THAT WE TYPICALLY SERVICE.
IF ANYONE HAS ANY QUESTIONS, I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM AT THE BEST OF MY ABILITY.
IS IS THE FOOD ACTUALLY PREPARED ON SITE, OR IS IT JUST LIKE CREATED SOMEWHERE ELSE AND WARMED UP THERE? DO YOU KNOW? I DON'T KNOW THAT, BUT I'M GOING TO ASK LUCAS PATTON.
HE'S A 7-ELEVEN REP TO KIND OF STEP UP IF YOU COME ON UP HERE.
I BELIEVE IT IS MADE FRESH, BUT I WILL LET YOU MAKE THE TORTILLAS FRESH.
WE DO MAKE THE TORTILLAS FRESH.
YEP. WE GET MATZO BALLS THAT WE PRESS FRESH, FOR FRESH TORTILLAS.
HOW MANY EMPLOYEES WILL THIS? WHEN WE OPEN UP, WE'LL OPEN UP WITH BETWEEN 12 AND 15 EMPLOYEES JUST FOR THE LAREDO TACO SIDE.
AN ADDITIONAL 8 TO 12 FOR THE RETAIL SIDE.
OKAY. WHAT ELSE? NO QUESTIONS. NO OTHER QUESTION.
ALL RIGHT. QUESTIONS FROM THE COUNCIL.
DO WE HAVE ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK? NO, YOUR HONOR. ANY CORRESPONDENCE? NO, SIR. THERE'S NOT. MR. CHAIRMAN, WE NEED A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? THE COMMISSION VOTED TO CLOSE THE MOTION FROM THE COUNCIL.
PUBLIC HEARING IS OPEN ON ZONING CHANGE APPLICATIONS.
[5. Zoning Change Application Z23-09 (711 East Wall Street) and Final Plat of Lot 1, Block 1, Martha’s Vineyard – City Council and Planning and Zoning Commission to conduct a public hearing relative to an application submitted by Neal Cooper requesting to rezone 0.230 acre from a “HC”, Highway Commercial District to a “R7.5”, Single-Family District for the purpose of developing a single-family residential dwelling. The applicant is also requesting to plat one residential lot. ]
823-09, WHICH IS 711 EAST WALL STREET, AND THE FINAL PLAT OF LOT ONE, BLOCK ONE OF MARTHA'S VINEYARD. YES, SIR.THIS REQUEST IS TO REZONE A LITTLE LESS THAN A QUARTER OF AN ACRE FROM THE HIGHWAY COMMERCIAL DISTRICT TO AN R-7.5 SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT, WITH THE PURPOSE OF CONSTRUCTING A NEW SINGLE-FAMILY DWELLING.
HISTORICALLY, THIS PROPERTY WAS ZONED C2 COMMUNITY BUSINESS DISTRICT PRIOR TO THE CITY'S 1984 CITYWIDE REZONING, HOWEVER, IT HAD ALREADY DEVELOPED AS A SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENCE WITH ACCESSORY STRUCTURE.
THAT RESIDENCE AND ACCESSORY STRUCTURE WERE VOLUNTARILY DEMOLISHED IN 2022.
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THIS CONCLUDES STAFF'S PRESENTATION.THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE, MR. NEIL COOPER IS HERE THIS EVENING TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE.
GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS NEIL COOPER.
I LIVE AT 404 EAST WALL STREET.
I'M REPRESENTING THE KUMAR FAMILY.
THEY OWN THE PROPERTY. THEY ALSO LIVE NEXT DOOR TO THE PROPERTY.
TO BE ABLE TO GET THAT BAD PROPERTY OUT AND TURN IT OVER.
QUESTIONS. ANY QUESTIONS? ANY QUESTIONS? NO QUESTIONS.
ALL RIGHT. QUESTIONS FROM THE COUNCIL.
ALL RIGHT. DO WE HAVE ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK? NO, YOUR HONOR. ANY CORRESPONDENCE? YES, SIR. THERE'S ONE LETTER OF SUPPORT IN FRONT OF YOU.
MR. CHAIRMAN, WE NEED A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
THE COMMISSION CLOSED A MOTION FROM THE COUNCIL TO CLOSE.
SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? ALL OPPOSED. THE PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED.
[6. AM23-06 Multi-Tenant Pole Signs – City Council and Planning and Zoning Commission to conduct a public hearing relative to amendments and changes to the Comprehensive Zoning Ordinance, No. 82-73, same being Appendix D of the Code of Ordinances, as follows: Section 60, Sign Standards relative to On-Premise Signs and Pole Sign Conditional Uses. ]
ITEM 23-6 MULTITENANT POST SIGNS.AND CITY COUNCIL AND PLANNING ZONING COMMISSION TO CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING RELATIVE TO AMENDMENTS AND CHANGES TO THE COMPREHENSIVE ZONING ORDINANCE NUMBER 82-73, SAME BAND, APPENDIX D OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES, INCLUDING SECTION 60 SIGN STANDARDS.
YES, SIR. THE DEVELOPER OF THE PLANNED COMMERCIAL CENTER LOCATED AT THE FORMER PAYTON-WRIGHT AUTOMOTIVE DEALERSHIP CAME BEFORE THE COUNCIL AND COMMISSION AT YOUR MEETING ON JUNE 20TH, 2023.
AT THAT TIME, THE DEVELOPER AND THEIR REPRESENTATIVE DISCUSSED A DESIRE FOR ADDITIONAL POLE OR PYLON SIGNS, AS THEY HAD SUBDIVIDED THE PROPERTY INTO MORE LOTS THAN THE THREE ORIGINALLY THAT HAD BEEN PROPOSED WHEN IT FIRST CAME BEFORE YOU.
SO, IN ORDER TO ACCOMMODATE AN ADDITIONAL POLE SIGN, THEY ARE REQUESTING TO AMEND, IT'S SECTION 60 SIGN STANDARDS OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE IN ORDER TO ALLOW FOR A SHARED POLE SIGN BETWEEN TWO LOTS.
LOTS 3R-2 AND 3R-1, WHICH IS SHOWN ON THE SCREENS BEFORE YOU.
THE DEVELOPER, MR. BRETT EVANS, IS HERE THIS EVENING AND IS AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
WE ALSO HAVE A CONCEPT OF WHAT THE SHARED POLE SIGN MAY BE.
UM, OVERALL, THE AMENDMENT HAS NOT CHANGED SUBSTANTIALLY AT ALL FROM THE LAST MEETING WE HAD WHERE WE REQUESTED TO CALL A PUBLIC HEARING FOR THIS ITEM IN OCTOBER OF 2023.
ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO? MR. CHAIRMAN. WELL, WHAT WERE YOU GOING TO SHOW THAT SLIDE OF? OH, I'M SORRY. THAT'S ON YOUR LIST.
SO, WE WERE APPROVED FOR SIGNED WITH JUST FIREBIRDS ON IT.
BUT WE HAVE A FIFTH USER, WHICH WE'RE NEGOTIATING A LEASE WITH PORTILLO'S.
AND, YOU KNOW, THEY REQUIRE A PYLON SIGN AS WELL.
IT'S BEEN CLEAR THAT FIVE SIGNS WILL NOT BE ACCEPTED.
AND SO WE'RE TRYING TO GET, UH, BOTH TENANTS REPRESENTED ON ONE SIDE.
CAN YOU EXPLAIN EXACTLY WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO WHERE THE SIGN'S GOING TO GO BETWEEN THE, IT'S GOING TO BE ON THE FIREBIRDS PROPERTY, RIGHT WHERE YOU SEE THE GREEN.
UH, MEET THE RED OR ORANGE AT THE FRONTAGE ROAD.
AND THE FIREBIRDS PROPERTY IS THE GREEN OR.
YEAH, IT'S THE GREEN. IT'S THE PROPERTY IN R-THE BACK.
AND YOU CAN SEE IT'S OUTLINED IN GREEN AND IT'S GOING TO BE RIGHT ON THE FRONTAGE ROAD THERE.
OKAY. AND THEN CAN YOU GO BACK TO THAT OTHER SLIDE.
WHAT'S THE OTHER RESTAURANT THAT'S GOING IN WHERE PORTILLO'S.
THAT RESTAURANT IS ON A DIFFERENT LOT.
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YES. OKAY.WHERE'S THAT? IT'S ON THE BLANK LOT WITH THE.
TO THE EAST OF SON OF A BUTCHER, IN BETWEEN VELVET TACO AND SON OF A BUTCHER.
OKAY, SO IT'S ON THE DIFFERENT LOT.
ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THAT'S RIGHT.
IF YOU GO BACK TO THE SIGN HEIGHT THERE, AM I READING THAT CORRECT? IS THAT ALL WITHIN ALLOWANCES THERE? ERICA, AS FAR AS THE HEIGHT, YES.
THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT IS SHOWN IS 40FT.
OKAY. THIS LOOKS LIKE 45 OR 8 OR SOMETHING.
I COULDN'T TELL WHAT IT SAID. OKAY.
ALL RIGHT. QUESTIONS FROM THE COUNCIL.
IS THERE AN OPTION? CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE SLIDE THERE ON THE RIGHT.
IT HAS BOTH RESTAURANTS ON ONE SIDE.
AND THEN YOU'VE GOT TWO DIFFERENT SIGNS.
AND ON THE LEFT. IS THAT WHAT YOU PLAN TO DO.
ARE THEY EQUAL SIGNS TWO PANELS ONE POLE OKAY.
BUT IT'LL BE THE TWO SEPARATE PANELS.
IS THE THINKING THAT THOSE WILL GET HUNG AT THE SAME TIME? OR DO YOU SEE A FIREBIRDS GOING UP AND THEN THE SECOND ONE COMING UP SOME OTHER TIME? I THINK THAT THE SIGN WILL BE BUILT WITH THE FIREBIRDS SHOWN, AND THEN THE OTHER PANEL WILL PROBABLY BE BLANK UNLESS THE LEASE WITH PORTILLO'S IS COMPLETE, HARD AND COMPLETE.
WHEN DO YOU THINK THESE RESTAURANTS ARE GOING TO BE OPEN, ESPECIALLY FIREBIRDS.
UH, FIREBIRDS. SCHEDULED OPENING IS FEBRUARY 29TH.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NO, SIR. APPARENTLY NOT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
DO WE HAVE ANYONE REGISTERED TO SPEAK? NO, YOUR HONOR. HAVE ANY CORRESPONDENCE? NO, YOUR HONOR. MR. CHAIRMAN, MOTION TO CLOSE THIS PUBLIC HEARING.
THE COMMISSION CLOSED A MOTION FROM THE COUNCIL, SO MOVED SECOND.
THE PUBLIC HEARING IS OPEN ON MP 23-1.
[7. MP23-01 Comprehensive Master Plan – City Council and Planning and Zoning Commission to conduct a public hearing relative to amendments and changes to the Comprehensive Master Plan (1974-1994, updated 1987) of the City of Grapevine Ordinance No. 87-11, as follows: Subsection E., Future Land Use, of Section IV., Land Use to revise zoning districts consistent in corresponding future land use categories. ]
COMPREHENSIVE MASTER PLAN.CITY COUNCIL AND PLANNING ZONING COMMISSION TO CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING RELATIVE TO AMENDMENTS AND CHANGES TO THE COMPREHENSIVE MASTER PLAN 1974 TO 1994, UPDATED 1987 OF THE CITY OF GRAPEVINE.
ORDINANCE NUMBER 87-11 AND CONCLUDING SUBSECTION A FUTURE LAND USE OF SECTION FOR LAND USE TO REVISE ZONING DISTRICTS CONSISTENT AND CORRESPONDING FUTURE LAND USE CATEGORIES.
YES. THIS IS A REQUEST TO AMEND SUBSECTION E, FUTURE LAND USE OF SECTION FOUR.
THIS TABLE WAS ADOPTED ORIGINALLY IN 1993, WHICH ADOPTED THE WILLIAM D TATE STATE HIGHWAY 121 CORRIDOR STUDY AS AN AMENDMENT TO THE COMPREHENSIVE MASTER PLAN. THE TABLE WAS A TEXT AMENDMENT TO EXPLAIN HOW ZONING AND LAND USE ARE REFLECTED IN THE GRAPHIC FORM OF A MAP.
THIS TABLE IS ALSO HOW STAFF DETERMINES IF A PROPOSED ZONE CHANGE REQUEST IS CONSIDERED, WITH APPROPRIATE WITHIN THE PROPERTY'S DESIGNATION, BASED ON DENSITY AND USE. THE LAST TIME THIS TABLE WAS UPDATED WAS IN 2017, WHEN THE COMMISSION AND COUNCIL ADOPTED THE COMMUNITY MIXED USE DESIGNATION AND THEN DESIGNATED 733 ACRES THROUGHOUT THE CITY IN FIVE AREAS.
MOST RECENTLY, IT WAS AT THE JOINT WORKSHOP OF THE COMMISSION AND COUNCIL ON NOVEMBER 27TH.
PLEASE NOTE THAT AT YOUR PLACE AT THE DAIS, YOU WILL FIND SOME CORRECTED INFORMATION RELATIVE TO THE ORDINANCE AND THE AGENDA MEMO THAT SHOWS THE NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICT FULLY AND ONLY CONSIDERED CONSISTENT UNDER THE LOW INTENSITY COMMERCIAL DISTRICT AND REMOVED AND NO LONGER SPLIT BETWEEN LOW INTENSITY COMMERCIAL AND THE COMMERCIAL FUTURE LAND USE CATEGORY.
SO THAT'S THE ONLY CHANGE THAT HAS BEEN PROPOSED.
ADDITIONALLY, WHEN STAFF WAS REVIEWING THE PARAGRAPHS PRECEDING THE TABLE, THE SECOND PARAGRAPH OUTLINED WHAT COLORS SHOULD BE UTILIZED ON THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP FOR EACH OF THOSE LAND USE CATEGORIES.
THAT WAS NEVER DONE IN PRACTICE, SO WE ARE ASKING TO AMEND THOSE LISTED COLORS FOR EACH FUTURE LAND USE CATEGORY IN A TABULAR FORMAT, SO IT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE PRACTICE AND THE ONLINE FUTURE LAND USE MAP.
WITH THAT, I'LL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT THE COUNCIL OR COMMISSION MAY HAVE.
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CHAIRMAN. NO QUESTIONS, SIR.ALL RIGHT. QUESTIONS FROM THE COUNCIL.
ERIC, I HAVE ONE QUESTION GRAPEVINE VINTAGE, AND I JUST CAN'T REMEMBER.
MOVED FROM LOW INTENSITY TO COMMERCIAL.
THAT'S CORRECT. BUT WE HAVE GRAPEVINE VINTAGE NEAR SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL.
CORRECT. OR HOW MANY AREAS ARE GRAPEVINE VINTAGE? I BELIEVE WE HAVE FOUR.
THE INDIVIDUAL PROPERTIES WOULD INCLUDE, I BELIEVE, NASH FARMS, WHICH IS A CITY PROPERTY.
THERE'RE SEVERAL VINEYARDS, WINE TASTING ROOMS, DELANEY VINEYARDS IS BROUGHT TO MIND.
AND THEN THE CROSS TIMBERS AND CROSS TIMBERS.
YES. I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THAT ONE.
THAT'S NOT A. GRAPEVINE VINTAGE.
I WAS JUST CONCERNED WITH THE CHANGE IN DENSITY BEING CLOSE TO SINGLE FAMILY.
I DON'T SEE WHY WE CAN'T LEAVE IT UNDER LOW INTENSITY COMMERCIAL.
WE MIGHT LOOK AT HAVING A CATEGORY, WHETHER IT'S LAND USE PLAN OR WHETHER IT'S IN ZONING, WHERE WE HAVE WINE TASTING ROOMS, BECAUSE THE WINE TASTING ROOMS, AND I'M SURE SOME CITIES HAVE THIS ORDINANCE, UM, ON MAIN STREET, IT'S TOTALLY DIFFERENT.
DOESN'T EVEN REALLY FIT WITH GRAPEVINE VINTAGE, BUT IT'S THE ONLY CATEGORY THAT THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO BE IN BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT SELLING REGULAR ALCOHOL, AND THEY HAVE TO HAVE SOME SPECIAL KIND OF ZONING IN ORDER TO HAVE WINE.
BUT I DO AGREE WITH PAUL IN THAT I THINK THAT GRAPEVINE VINTAGE SHOULD REMAIN IN LOW INTENSITY.
THAT'S MY PROBLEM I HAVE WITH THAT.
I KNOW WE'VE HAD TO DEAL WITH THAT BEFORE.
I KNOW WITH THE ONES THAT HAVE TURNED INTO ALCOHOL, THAT WOULD BE THE REST OF DOING THAT.
AND I DON'T SEE THE NECESSITY OF IT MYSELF.
BUT THIS DOESN'T CHANGE THAT, BILL.
I MEAN, IF YOU'RE NOT OKAY WITH THAT, I'M FINE WITH THAT.
WE CAN KEEP IT UNDER GRAPEVINE VINTAGE.
THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE ANYTHING, JUST A TASTING ROOM.
WELL, WE HAVE WE HAVE SEVERAL OF THEM ON MAIN STREET.
THEY HAVE MORE THAN JUST A TASTING ROOM.
THEY HAVE RESTAURANTS AND FOOD AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
NONE OF THEM CAN SURVIVE JUST FOR TASTING.
THEY CAN'T SELL BEER AND THEY CAN'T SELL ALCOHOL.
SO THAT'S A LITTLE I THINK THAT'S A WORTHY, WORTHWHILE DISCUSSION FOR US TO HAVE.
THAT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE'RE REALLY ENGAGING IN TONIGHT.
SO WHEN WE WERE USING THE VINTAGE DISTRICT, IT'S KIND OF A BUFFER TO SINGLE FAMILY.
THE PROTOTYPE WAS MORE JUST A TASTING ROOM AT THAT TIME.
THAT'S WHY I THINK WE'RE LOOKING AT IT.
BUT YEAH, I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND.
WELL, THE BIGGER THE ISSUE IS.
AND I'M NOT EVEN GOING TO TALK ABOUT NASH FARM BECAUSE THAT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT SUBJECT.
SO, ALL I'M SAYING IS PUTTING THOSE UNDER A LAND USE AS HIGHER INTENSITY.
I'M NOT SURE AS THE DIRECTION WE SHOULD GO.
THEY CAN STILL DO EVERYTHING YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT UNDER LOW INTENSITY.
YEAH, I THINK I UNDERSTAND THAT, YEAH.
I THINK THERE'S SOME CREDIBILITY TO THERE.
I JUST DIDN'T UNDERSTAND REALLY.
I GUESS WHAT YOU WERE THINKING ABOUT IS THE NEW WINE TASTING.
I THINK THEY DON'T NEED TO BE, BUT THEY'RE STILL IN COMMERCIAL.
YEAH. SO ANYWAY, THAT'S JUST SOMETHING I THINK NEED TO BE A BUFFER ANYMORE BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT.
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WINERIES. OKAY SHOULD BE IN COMMERCIAL OR SHOULD BE IN LIGHT COMMERCIAL.AND MY SENSE IS THAT THE COMMISSION WOULD FEEL THAT LIGHT COMMERCIAL WOULD PROBABLY BE ALL RIGHT.
IS MY MEMORY CORRECT? NO, I THINK THAT'S CORRECT.
YEAH. OKAY. I THINK WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE HERE.
THEY ARE A COMMERCIAL BUSINESS WITHOUT ANY DOUBT THE WAY THEY'RE OPERATING.
YES, YES. THAT'S IT OUGHT TO BE COMMERCIAL WITHOUT ANY QUESTIONING AS OPPOSED TO LIGHT COMMERCIAL.
IS THEIR LIGHT COMMERCIAL? YES. TALKING LIGHT COMMERCIAL.
I THINK WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE.
SO, IS THE COMMISSION GOING TO REVIEW THIS AGAIN IS PART OF YOUR RECOMMENDATION THIS EVENING? WE CERTAINLY CAN. ALL RIGHT.
IF YOU ALL WOULD PERHAPS LOOK AT THAT I THINK THAT MIGHT BE PRUDENT.
THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? MR. CHAIRMAN, YOU ALL HAVE ANYTHING FURTHER? NO, SIR. OKAY.
DO WE HAVE ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK? YES, SIR. ANY CORRESPONDENCE? NO, SIR. ALL RIGHT, MR. CHAIRMAN, I MADE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
AL0L IN FAVOR? COMMISSION CLOSED A MOTION FROM THE COUNCIL.
THANK YOU. ALL IN FAVOR? ALL OPPOSED. THE PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED.
AND THAT COMPLETES THE PLANNING ZONING COMMITTEE.
COMMISSION WILL RECONVENE SHORTLY.
IT'S A PUBLIC MEETING YOU'RE INVITED TO ATTEND.
THE COUNCIL WILL REMAIN IN SESSION HERE.
AND WE'LL BEGIN WITH CITIZEN COMMENTS.
PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD MOTION TO APPROVE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT C 23-33.
[9. Conditional Use Permit CU23-33 (7-Eleven) – Consider the application and make a recommendation to City Council. ]
SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR.[10. Zoning Change Application Z23-09 (711 East Wall Street) – Consider the application and make a recommendation to City Council. ]
Z 23-09 7-ELEVEN EAST WALL.I THINK IT'S PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD, TOO.
YES, EVEN MORE STRAIGHTFORWARD.
I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE ZONING CHANGE APPLICATION Z 23-09.
SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? OPPOSED. PLEASE SAY NO.
[11. Final Plat of Lot 1, Block 1, Martha’s Vineyard – Consider the application and make a recommendation to City Council. ]
I MOVE THAT THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION APPROVED THE STATEMENT OF FINDINGS AND THE FINAL PLAT OF LOT ONE, BLOCK ONE, MARTHA'S VINEYARD.SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT.
[12. AM23-06 Multi-Tenant Pole Signs – Consider the application and make a recommendation to City Council. ]
THIS IS FOR THE MULTI-TENANT WHOLE SIGN.JUST COMPROMISE. I THINK COMPROMISE BECAUSE IT'S SPECIFIC TO THE SEGMENT OF WEST SIDE HIGHWAY 114 FRONTAGE ON PEYTON RIDE EDITION.
I THINK THAT IS A GOOD IDEA TO AMEND THIS ORDINANCE.
AND I MOVE THAT THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION APPROVE COMPREHENSIVE ZONING ORDINANCE NUMBER 82-73, TO AMEND SECTION 60 SIGN STANDARDS RELATIVE TO ON PREMISE SIGNS.
SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? YEAH, I WAS GOING TO SAY THAT THEY HAVE TO DO WHATEVER TO GET PORTILLO'S IN THERE.
[13. MP23-01 Comprehensive Master Plan – Consider the application and make a recommendation to City Council.]
IT'S NOT THAT GREAT.COMPREHENSIVE MASTER PLAN MP 23-01.
AND YOU HEARD THE COMMENTS IN REGARD TO THE FINISHED DISTRICT.
WELL, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE INTENSITY AND THE COMMERCIAL DISCUSSION AND GO BACK WITH YOU WHILE WE DID IT WAS BECAUSE OF ISSUES WE HAD WITH THEM IN RESIDENTIAL AREAS. BUT SINCE WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON A SPEAKER ORDINANCE THAT TAKES CARE OF SOME OF THAT ISSUE, AS A MATTER OF FACT, IT TAKES CARE OF THE MAIN ISSUE.
SO, IF WE PURSUE THAT DIRECTION, I DON'T KNOW THAT IT REALLY MATTERS THAT IT'S NOT.
OH, SO THAT'S WHAT I WAS GOING TO ASK.
WELL, THE LOW INTENSITY VERSUS THE COMMERCIAL, I MEAN, IS THE LOW INTENSITY, MORE RESTRICTIVE.
BUT I'M TRYING TO FIND WHAT THE DIFFERENCE IS.
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LIKE NEIGHBORHOOD, COMMERCIAL AND THOSE OTHER AREAS THAT IN THAT LOCALITY, COMMERCIAL.AND THE REASON WE TOOK IT OUT OR TALKED ABOUT TAKING IT OUT FOR MONTHS NOW, ACTUALLY, IS BECAUSE THE BUENA VISTA, WHERE HE HAD THE PROBLEM WITH THE NOISE AND THE SPEAKERS AND THE STUFF LIKE THAT, BUT IF WE END UP WITH THE SPEAKER ORDINANCE AND THEN WE GET THAT RESOLVED, THAT SHOULD TAKE CARE OF ANY ISSUES RELATED TO THAT SITUATION.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SAYING ALSO.
WEDDINGS AND ALL OTHER THINGS LIKE THAT.
IT BECOMES A TRAFFIC ISSUE IF IT'S EMBEDDED IN A NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO, THE KEY TO THAT IS GOING TO BE IS WHEN ZONING COMES UP, YOU DON'T WANT TO EMBED THOSE IN NEIGHBORHOODS, YOU WANT IT TO BE ON THE PERIPHERAL AREA OF THAT IF YOU'RE GOING TO GET CLOSE TO IT.
BUT THAT'S SOMETHING WE'LL HAVE TO DO AS A PNC AND COUNCIL.
CASE BY CASE BASIS, A CASE-BY-CASE BASIS.
WE JUST DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE STILL GOING TO STAY THERE ANYWAY PLOPPED IN NEXT DOOR.
THAT'S WHY REZONING IT BACK TO COMMERCIAL MIGHT BE BETTER BECAUSE IT WILL NEVER GET PLOPPED.
YES, I'M SAYING THEY WILL WANT TO MOVE IT BACK INTO LOW DENSITY POTENTIALLY.
SO, IF WE LEAVE IT IN COMMERCIAL, THOUGH, FUTURE POTENTIAL WINE TASTINGS WOULD BE ABLE TO GO INTO A LOW INTENSITY COMMERCIAL AREA COULD, BUT IT WOULD BE PROBABLY IN CONFLICT WITH THE MASTER PLAN. AM I THINKING ABOUT THAT RIGHT? I THINK LOW INTENSITY CAN BE IN THE LIKE.
SEE, THAT'S WHY WE DON'T WANT TO PUT IT THERE.
SO THAT COULD BE WHAT HE'S LOOKING AT.
YEAH. AND BUT ALSO YOU DON'T YOU DON'T WANT A DELANEY FACILITY IN A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD.
RIGHT, RIGHT. SO THE SIZE OF THE ISSUES, YOU KNOW, MORE THAN ANYTHING.
BUT WE COULD ALWAYS ADDRESS THAT BY THE ZONING ORDINANCE ITSELF IN RESPECT OF THAT.
I DON'T HAVE ANY BIG ISSUE WITH IT EITHER WAY, TO BE HONEST.
IT WASN'T ON THE OUTSIDE AREA EITHER, WHICH MADE IT EVEN WORSE TO BEGIN.
IF YOU LOOK AT WHERE CROSS TIMBERS IS, IT'S NOT REALLY IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
IT'S ACTUALLY ON A MAJOR STREET KIND OF THING.
DELANEY'S CLOSE TO RESIDENTS, BUT IT'S A LONG WAY COMPARED RIGHT NOW.
CHICKEN AND PICKLE IS NEXT DOOR.
IT NEEDS TO BE ZONED GOVERNMENTAL USE.
IT SHOULD BE A VINTAGE ZONING ANYWAY.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING ELSE WE CAN DO.
GRAPEVINE. NEW GRAPEVINE VINTAGE.
BUT THE QUESTION IS, DO YOU WANT TO ALLOW IT TO GO INTO THE LOW INTENSITY COMMERCIAL YOU WANT TO ALLOWABLE IN BOTH OF THEM OR NOT? I THINK THE ORIGINAL THOUGHT WAS TO KEEP IT AWAY FROM THE NEIGHBORHOODS IN THE FUTURE.
SO THAT WAS THE DISCUSSION, RIGHT? AND I THINK WE STICK TO OUR GUNS.
I THINK PAUL'S THINKING IF YOU PUT IT IN LOW INTENSITY, IT WILL HAVE TO BE LOW INTENSITY, RIGHT? WHICH ONCE YOU START HAVING EVENTS THEN YEAH, THAT'S THAT'S THE ISSUE.
IT DEPENDS ON IT'S ALL IT'S THE SIDE THINGS THAT THEY DO THAT CAUSES THE ISSUE.
YOUR CALL. I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT.
YEAH. UNTIL IT COMES NEXT TO YOUR HOUSE, IT'S ALREADY NEXT TO MY HOUSE.
LET'S GET TO CHANGE OVER TO RESIDENTIAL RIGHT NOW.
ESPECIALLY MY HOUSE. I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT ABOUT THE SPEAKER.
THE SPEAKER? WELL, I'M HOPING THAT WOULD BE THE CASE, BUT THAT DOESN'T AFFECT THE TRAFFIC, THOUGH.
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WE COULD STILL SAY THAT'S WHAT I MEAN.SO SURE. ADDING MOTION TO MAKE THAT CHANGE IF YOU WANT TO MAKE A CHANGE.
OR YOU CAN MAKE THE MOTION FOR BOTH.
UH, WELL, I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE.
UH, THE MP 2301, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
THE AMENDMENT OF MOVING THE GRAPEVINE VINTAGE TO THE LOW INTENSITY COMMERCIAL SECOND.
MOTION SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? ALL OPPOSED. UNOPPOSED.
[14. Consider the minutes of the November 21, 2023 Regular Planning and Zoning Commission meeting, the November 27, 2023 Joint City Council and Planning and Zoning Commission Workshop, and the December 6, 2023 Workshop. ]
CONSIDER THE MINUTES OF NOVEMBER 21ST.MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THEM ALL IN HERE.
AND SECOND TO APPROVE THE NOVEMBER 20TH ONE MINUTES.
TWO ABSTENTIONS. FIVE, ZERO AND TWO.
NOW CONSIDER THE NOVEMBER 27TH JOINT MEETING OF THE COUNCIL.
1127 MEETING WITH GENERAL COUNSEL SECOND.
SEVEN ZERO. CONSIDER THE MINUTES FROM THE DECEMBER 6TH WORKSHOP.
I MOVE TO APPROVE THE MINUTES OF DECEMBER 6TH WORKSHOP.
NO WAY. A MOTION SECOND TO ADJOURN.
ALL IN FAVOR? WE'RE ADJOURNED.
HAVE A GOOD CHRISTMAS. THANK YOU.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.