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[00:00:02]

ALRIGHT. 5:30.

[CALL TO ORDER]

WE'LL CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER FOR THE WORKSHOP.

[1. Receive a report, hold a discussion and provide staff direction with proposed amendments to the Comprehensive Master Plan (1974-1994, updated 1987) of the City of Grapevine Ordinance (Ordinance No. 87-11), and take any necessary action.]

SO, IN YOUR PACKET MATERIALS WE PROVIDED YOU JUST A QUICK TABLE SUMMARY OF SOME OF THE CHANGES THAT WERE DISCUSSED, BECAUSE WE WANTED TO GET INPUT ON THAT AND MAKE SURE THAT WE HAD ALL THE PROPERTIES THAT WERE DISCUSSED EITHER CHANGING OR REMAINING THE SAME.

BETSY ALSO PROVIDED A TABLE ON THIS 11 BY 17.

FOR. THE WEST SIDE OF SOUTH MAIN STREET, SHOWING WHAT THE TABLE IS PROPOSING TO CHANGE FROM TODAY VERSUS WHAT'S PROPOSED.

AND THEN FINALLY WE ALSO PROVIDED AN UPDATED ASSESSMENT AREA MAP ON THE 8.5 X 11.

AND THAT'S. SHOWING THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT.

FIND OUT WHICH IS THE PRIORITY TODAY.

SO THOSE ARE ALL OF THE MATERIALS.

WE ALSO DID TODAY.

I'M SORRY. WITH THE TIMELINESS OF IT, THAT WE SENT OUT A PDF TO ALL OF YOU AS AN EMAIL ATTACHMENT.

THERE IS A LIVE LINK TO THE MAP VIEWER THAT BETSY CREATED SO THAT IF YOU'RE ON YOUR OWN TIME LOOKING, YOU'RE ABLE TO PULL UP VARIOUS AREAS THE FUTURE LAND USE, PLUS THE ZONING PARCEL DATA, OWNERSHIP DATA ON YOUR OWN TIME.

IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE REACH OUT AND WE'LL BE ABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS WHEN YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT THAT, IF YOU CHOOSE TO USE IT.

SOME WOULD PICK UP OR IF YOU HAD ANY CHANGES.

YEAH. ANYONE HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ABOUT THE WEST SIDE? THINGS WE DID LAST TIME WE CROSSED MAIN STREET? AFTER IT WAS A CLEAR PICTURE WHEN WE DISCUSSED A COUPLE OF TIMES THAT IF WE CHANGE THE FUTURE LAND USE, THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH POTENTIAL RESALE OF THAT PROPERTY WITH RESPECT TO THEIR CURRENT ZONING, IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THEIR CURRENT ZONING. IT COULD CERTAINLY HAVE AN IMPACT ON THE RESALE VALUE OF THE PROPERTY.

IF SOMEONE LOOKS AT THE MAP AND SEES THAT THAT'S WHAT WE'RE EARMARKING, THAT PROPERTY ON THE BODY DOES SOMETHING DIFFERENT, AND THEY'RE NOT PLANNING ON USING THE SAME TYPE OF BUSINESS THAT'S ALREADY THERE, THEY COULD HAVE AN IMPACT, CERTAINLY, BUT IF THEY'RE GOING TO USE IT FOR THE SAME TYPE OF BUSINESS, IT ONLY IMPACTS THE ZONING WILL CHANGE THE SAME AS LONG AS THEY'RE NOT CHANGING ANYTHING UP, THEN.

YEAH. AGAIN, I WANT TO SAY THAT THAT'S MY CONCERN IS ABOUT THE CURRENT OWNER OF THE PROPERTY AND THEIR ABILITY TO MARKET AND DO WHAT THEY WANT TO WITH THEIR PROPERTY. SO, THAT'S A CONCERN.

THAT'S A CONCERN. YES.

AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT PRIOR TO ME.

STILL, IF IT'S HIGHWAY COMMERCIAL AND THEY WANT TO DEVELOP THIS OFFICE AND WE HAVE IT AS RESIDENTIAL, THEN THAT THAT COULD BE IT COULD BE AN ISSUE. THEY CAN STILL REQUEST ANYTHING, BUT IT DOESN'T MEAN IT WOULD BE APPROVED.

AND YOU WOULD HOPE THAT WE WOULD TRY TO STICK WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP.

OTHERWISE, IT DOESN'T MAKE MUCH SENSE TO HAVE IT.

BUT YEAH, THERE ARE SOME THINGS, AND I AND I KNOW THAT ONCE WE GET TO A PUBLIC HEARING, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME QUESTIONS AND THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME, POSSIBLY SOME GIVE AND TAKE ON SOME OF THESE AREAS, ESPECIALLY THOSE THAT GET CLOSER AND CLOSER TO MAIN STREET.

AND THAT'S MY CONCERN IS, YOU KNOW, WELL, I THINK THIS CHART IS GREAT WITH THE PROPOSED AND CURRENT.

AND AGAIN, I THINK THE THINGS WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT ARE WHAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT CHANGING FROM SOME OF THE CBD TO THE RESIDENTIAL AND SPECIFICALLY, YOU KNOW, SPECIFICALLY RIGHT THERE AT LIPSCOMB RIGHT THERE.

YOU KNOW, BART, IT JUST SEEMS LIKE WE'RE JUST MOVING MAIN STREET MORE TOWARD THE WHOLE CBD IS MORE TOWARD MAIN STREET AND MAKING THE OTHER RESIDENTIAL.

SO, WE'RE AND, YOU KNOW, IT SEEMS TO ME THE CBD WAS FINE THE WAY IT IS.

AND WE'RE MAKING IT SMALLER AND RESIDENTIAL MORE THAN LESS.

DOES THAT MAKE SENSE TO Y'ALL? THAT'S WHAT HOW I, HOW I'M LOOKING AT IT.

YEAH, I MEAN THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT.

AND IF THAT'S THE INTENT ALSO REALLY TIGHTENED IT UP TOO, BECAUSE WE HAD THINGS THAT WENT LIKE THAT THAT REALLY DIDN'T MAKE SENSE.

SO, IT'S A GOOD THING WHAT WE'RE DOING.

YEAH. IN ESSENCE, HAVING BUSINESS, THE BACKS OF BUSINESSES TO RESIDENTIAL, NOT THE FRONTS OF BUSINESS TO POTENTIAL POSSIBLY IN THE FUTURE.

AND THAT MAY NEVER THAT MAY CHANGE.

THAT MAY BE 20 30 YEARS BEFORE THOSE PROPERTIES TURN OVER.

THAT'S WHAT I MEAN. YEAH.

WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT REZONING ANYTHING OTHER THAN HOPEFULLY SOME GOVERNMENTAL USE THINGS, BUT OTHERWISE THAT'S NOT ON THE TABLE AT ALL.

SO, WE HAVE A CASE TONIGHT TO THAT POINT, IN FACT, THAT THAT RESIDENTIAL SITTING ON COMMERCIAL PROPERTY, THEY'RE WANTING TO UPDATE THAT CHANGE THAT OVER.

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AND IT DOES NOT MATCH UP ON THE FUTURE OF THE LAND USE CURRENTLY.

NO, I FEEL CERTAIN WE'LL HAVE SOME MORE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THOSE.

SOME OF THOSE AREAS, PARTICULARLY THAT WAS THE CALLS I RECEIVED.

BUT I GOT A COUPLE OF CALLS TODAY AND THEY WERE RELATED TO ONES.

WE'VE TALKED ABOUT CHANGING TO RESIDENTIAL.

THAT'S NOW IN THE CBD, BUT.

I'M NOT SURE THEY'RE GOING TO.

I'M NOT SURE HOW HARD THEY ARE FOR IT, BECAUSE THEY KNOW THAT IT'S NOT GOING TO CHANGE THE ZONING.

AND IF RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY KEEPS GOING UP IN VALUE, IT MAY BE WORTH MORE AS RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY THAN IT IS AS COMMERCIAL PROPERTY.

AND ARE WE CONCERNED ABOUT LOSING THE TAX BASE ON THE COMMERCIAL? THING WE'RE LOOKING AT.

THEY STILL PAY PROPERTY TAXES ON THE COMMERCIAL.

YEAH, IT'S STILL GOING TO BE ON THE VALUE.

AND IF THEY GO IN THERE AND TAKEN AN OLD HOUSE THAT'S NOW AN OFFICE AND THEY GUT IT AND REDO IT AND ADD 3000FT² TO IT, IT'S GOING TO BE PAYING A LOT MORE TAXES THAN.

BUT ANYWAY, I THINK THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME GIVE AND TAKE THERE WITH THAT, PROBABLY AT LEAST THERE'S GOING TO BE CERTAINLY DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THAT ONCE IT GOES TO A PUBLIC HEARING. FOR SURE. IF IT GETS THAT FAR.

OKAY. AND I GUESS ONE OF THE POINTS THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH ALL OF THIS IS THE LACK OF PARKING IN SOME OF THIS.

SO, WHEN WE START, YOU KNOW, BEING SERIOUS ABOUT WHAT THE RULE ACTUALLY SAYS, YOU ONLY GET DON'T HAVE TO PROVIDE PARKING AT THE FRONT MAIN STREET, THEN PEOPLE SHOULD START TO THINK, WELL, I DON'T ACTUALLY HAVE PARKING FOR WHAT I WANT TO DO WITH THIS.

AND I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT.

AND I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS WE'VE GOT TO TALK ABOUT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE OTHER CHANGES, WE MAY NEED TO MAKE THESE, IS THAT CONCEPT OF WHAT'S IN THE CBD.

IT SAYS THEY HAVE TO PRESENT THE PARKING PLAN.

IT DOESN'T REALLY GIVE THEM ANY DIRECTION ABOUT THINGS.

AND THAT MAY NEED TO BE SOMETHING ELSE THAT WE TALKED ABOUT IN TERMS OF [INAUDIBLE] DON'T ON MAIN STREET AND SO FORTH.

OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE BEFORE WE.

ALL RIGHT.

LET'S LOOK AT THE WEST SIDE.

I'LL START UP TOP.

PLEASE. OKAY.

YOU GOT ME. WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THAT NORTH OF WALL STREET, BUT SO WE NEED TO START LOOKING AT THE SOUTHERN PART OF WALL STREET THAT'S ON CBD BELOW WALL STREET.

ALL TEXAS.

JENKINS. PORTIONS OF THE FIRST BAPTIST PARKING IS IN THE CBD.

AND IT'S.

BUT IT'S ZONED RESIDENTIAL, RIGHT? ZONE. IT MAY NOT BE.

YES, IT'S ALREADY ZONED RESIDENTIAL.

THAT'S THE ZONING.

AND MAKE IT CONFUSING.

WE CAN OVERLAY THE FUTURE LAND USE, WHICH IS IN PURPLE.

SO, THE QUESTION IS, IS THERE ANYTHING YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT IN REGARD TO WHAT'S THE CBD ARE TAKEN OUT OF THE CBD OR LEAVE IT THERE? DOWN TO TEXAS STREET.

HOMESTEAD TO HOMESTEAD PROPERTY.

I DON'T KNOW WHO THE FIRST BAPTIST, FIRST BAPTIST OWNS ALL OF THAT.

YES, SIR. ALL THE PROPERTY THERE.

OKAY. AND THAT OUTPOST THAT THEY'RE USING AT THE CORNER AS WELL.

THEY STILL OWN THAT AS WELL.

YES. OKAY.

OKAY, SO WHAT'S YOUR QUESTION? WELL, DO YOU WANT IT'S IN THE CBD.

THAT PART OF IT IS THERE.

THAT SECTION, THIS WESTERN PART RIGHT HERE WHERE MY MOUSE IS GOING NOW IN THE CBD.

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DO YOU LEAVE IT IN THE CBD, OR DO YOU GO WITH ITS ZONING? AND PROPOSED TO CHANGE THAT TO RESIDENTIAL AND FUTURE LAND USE.

I'M OKAY WITH THE CBD, BUT WE'LL BE PROPOSING GIVING UP SOME PARKING SPACE IN THE FUTURE.

DECIDE TO SELL THAT OFF. YEAH, THAT'S THE CHURCHES.

THAT'S THEIR DECISION.

SO, THE PARKING LOT IS ACTUALLY ALL.

IT'S JUST FUTURE. THIS WESTERN PART.

YEAH. FUTURE LAND IS CBD.

IT'S ZONED R-7.5.

YEAH. THE WHOLE ENTIRE PROPERTY IS ZONED RESIDENTIAL.

GOTCHA. YEAH, IT ENDS THERE.

SO, THIS QUESTION OF MOVING FORWARD, ARE WE GOING TO FOLLOW KIND OF THE SAME GUIDELINES WE DID ON THE ON THE WEST SIDE? HOW FAR OUT FROM MAIN STREET ARE WE GOING TO GO? WELL, I THINK WE NEED TO KIND OF SEE WHERE THOSE PROPERTY LINES ARE, TOO.

BUT THIS ONE'S ALREADY ESTABLISHED HERE BECAUSE WHAT USED TO BE THAT USED TO BE THE OLD BURROWS WAS AND EVERYTHING.

SO THAT WAS OUR OTHER PROPERTIES.

BUT SO, I MEAN, THAT'S THE REAL ISSUE.

DO YOU WANT TO GO WITH THE ZONING, OR DO YOU WANT TO LEAVE THAT IN THE CBD? I MEAN, I THINK IT'S A, YOU KNOW, TO HER POINT ON THE OTHER SIDE WITH THE OTHER SIDE, WE'RE KIND OF ENCROACHING AT HIM.

TO ME, LEAVING THAT CBD IS PROBABLY A SMART CHOICE, LEAVING BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THE CHANCES THAT EVEN REALLY BEING ADJUSTED ANYTIME IN THE NEAR FUTURE IS PROBABLY PRETTY SLIM. AND WE'RE NOT DOWN TO THE WE HAVEN'T GONE FAR ENOUGH EAST TO BE ACROSS FROM ANY OF THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES, RIGHT? EITHER CORRECT THE BACKSIDE OF THE CHURCH OVER THERE BECAUSE WE HAD A HOUSE.

I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE CBD, NEITHER DID ANYBODY ELSE.

AND ACTUALLY, AS YOU MOVE SOUTH, THE CBD KICKS WAY OUT.

THAT'S WHERE I GOT FROM. THIS IS WHERE, YOU KNOW THE PURPLE LINE REPRESENTS THE BOUNDARY OF CBD.

THIS IS ALL CBD FUTURE LAND USE.

AND ON THE OTHER SIDE IT'S ROSE RESIDENTIAL LOW.

I WILL SAY THAT'S NOT GOING TO.

IT REALLY PROVIDES SOME OTHER PARKING AND OTHER THINGS TOO.

THE ONLY ISSUE WE'LL HAVE THERE IS IF SOMEBODY COMES IN AND WANTS TO BUY THAT PIECE, IS IF THEY WANT TO DEVELOP IN CBD.

IF WE DON'T DO SOMETHING ABOUT PARKING ISSUES, IT COULD CAUSE AN ISSUE.

BUT AGAIN, THAT'S BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY ZONED RESIDENTIAL.

THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GET A NEW ZONING REQUEST IN TO DO THAT.

SO, IT KIND OF PUTS THEM ON NOTICE FOR THAT.

BUT I DON'T HAVE ANY.

SAMMY GAITHER.

ANYBODY HAVE PROBLEMS WITH? SO, WE'RE DOWN TO TEXAS STREET.

SPRING, TEXAS AND WORTH ON THE SOUTH CBD KICKS OUT ALL THE WAY TO SMITH STREET FOR FUTURE LAND USE. THAT.

WE HAVE.

THESE TWO PROPERTIES AND THIS PROPERTY THAT'S OWNED BY THE CITY FOR PARKING.

COME ON, DOG LEGS HERE.

DO THEY CONNECT PHYSICALLY OR.

NO. LIKE I KIND OF THINK LIKE DID THEY GET DID THEY GET AN EASEMENT ACROSS? THERE'S AN EASEMENT, SURELY BECAUSE DURING FESTIVAL IT CONNECTS.

IT CONNECTS BECAUSE SERVICE TRUCKS COME IN HERE FOR FESTIVAL.

SO, THIS ALL THIS CONNECTS.

YEAH. THIS PIECE.

BUT THIS DOES NOT BECAUSE YOU CAN SEE THERE'S A CURB LINE.

AND THIS IS OWNED BY CVB, WHICH IS, THIS IS JUST THE CITY IN GENERAL RIGHT HERE.

DOES THAT NEED TO BE CHANGED? THOSE THREE NEED TO BE CHANGED TO GOVERNMENTAL USE.

YEAH. SO, THEY PROPOSE THAT.

SO, ERICA 216 EAST TEXAS.

216 EAST TEXAS.

325 JENKINS.

AND 115 EAST WORTH OUR CITY OWNED GOING FROM CBD FUTURE LAND USE TO GU.

[00:15:05]

WE WOULD JUST CONNECT THAT WITH THE CURRENT GOVERNMENT USE.

TO THE PROPERTIES TO THE RIGHT OF THOSE TWO OF THOSE OFFICES, TO THE RIGHT CBD OF THOSE OFFICES.

YEAH, IT'S BILL SHIRLEY.

IS THAT THESE ARE LIKE, THIS IS PAINTING WITH A TWIST.

THIS IS THE OLD WINERY THAT CLOSED DOWN INSTEAD.

THANK YOU.

GET DOWN HERE ON THE RIGHT.

THE GREEN. THAT'S THE HOMESTEAD WINERY.

YES. THAT WAS WHERE JANIE USED TO RUN HER HERITAGE.

OKAY. I THOUGHT IT WAS THIS ONE.

NO, HE OWNS THAT ONE TOO.

OKAY. AND HE OWNS THE OTHER.

OH, OKAY. GOTCHA.

SO YEAH. THE TWIST.

I THINK THIS HOUSE IS EMPTY.

NOW THERE'S A BUSINESS. THERE'S A BUSINESS IN THERE NOW.

IT'S THE ONE TO THE RIGHT THAT'S EMPTY.

THAT'S EMPTY.

THERE'S AN ATTORNEY.

AND THE OTHER ONE. RIGHT? YES.

IT WAS. AND IT'S ACROSS THE STREET FROM US HERE.

YEAH. AS FAR AS IT IS HERE, REALLY LIKE WHERE RESIDENTIAL IS CURRENTLY.

WOULD MAKE SENSE TO, LIKE, UPDATE THAT AND KEEP IT RESIDENTIAL.

BASICALLY POTENTIALLY.

I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW BECAUSE IT WAS ALL FACE OUT TOWARDS RESIDENTIAL AND THEY ALREADY ARE RESIDENTIAL.

I'M ASSUMING WE'RE GOING TO KEEP THEM THAT WAY.

THE RESIDENTIAL. CORRECT.

THE ONES THAT ARE ALREADY ZONED RESIDENTIAL OUT OF THE CBD.

RIGHT. UPDATE THAT, TOO.

AND JUST TO BACK UP A LITTLE BIT, THIS PROPERTY RIGHT HERE, THE GAZEBO THAT IS FUTURE LAND USE CDD RIGHT.

THAT'S ONE WAY ZONE.

ONE ZONE. SO, IF YOU WANT TO CHANGE THAT AS WELL, SINCE IT'S OVER.

YES, WE WANT TO REZONE 325 SOUTH MAIN.

YES MA'AM. CHANGE THE FUTURE LAND USE GOVERNMENT.

AND SO, THE HEAT, THAT'S JUST THE ZONING IT'S IN.

YES, YES. CORRECT.

AND THEN THE FUTURE LAND USE IS CBD, CBD, CBD.

SO, THE SO CBD MAYBE FOR SURE.

LIKE YOU SAID JASON THE RESIDENTIAL THAT'S TO THE EAST.

THOSE SHOULD BE RESIDENTIAL, RIGHT? I AGREE. I MEAN, IT'S ALREADY RESIDENTIAL EVEN THOUGH IT'S IN THE CBD DISTRICT, RIGHT? YEAH. I DON'T THINK YOU NEED A LOT OF PUSHBACKS ON THAT.

YEAH. AND THEN I THINK I DON'T KNOW, ISN'T IT.

BUT WOULDN'T THAT BE UNDER THE VINTAGE WHERE WE TALKED ABOUT THE WINERIES? NO. GRAPEVINE VINTAGE DISTRICT.

THAT'S ACTUALLY GV IS A DIFFERENT DISTRICT THAN GT.

WHAT'S HGT STAR HERITAGE? I JUST HISTORIC GRAPEVINE TOWNSHIP.

IT'S NOT REALLY A ZONING.

IT'S NOT. IT'S JUST AN OVERLAY.

THAT'S AN OVERLAY. GOT IT.

OKAY. SO, WHAT'S IT? SO, WHAT IS THE ZONING? IT'S IN THE DATABASE. IT'S HT.

I CAN BRING IN THE PLANNING PIECES AND SEE IF THERE'S ANYTHING.

BUT WE DON'T HAVE A ZONING CATEGORY.

HG, DO WE? I CAN'T FIND IT.

IS THAT THE ONE OFF OF COLLEGE STREET TO THE WEST COLLEGE? BETSY, IS THAT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT? YOU SEE WHERE OTHER HGT'S EXIST? YEAH, THERE'S A BUNCH OF ZONING PLANNING CASES HERE SO WE CAN RESEARCH THAT TO SAVE TIME.

I THINK THE REAL QUESTION IS, IS HGTV A ZONING OR IS IT A ZONING CATEGORY? I THINK IT'S JUST AN OVERLAY.

IT IS. JUST AN OVERLAY.

IT'S NOT THE ZONING. IT'S NOT THE BASE ZONING OF THAT PROPERTY.

IT'S JUST AN OVERLAY ON THAT PROPERTY.

ERICA, YOU WANT TO KNOW WHERE OTHER HGT IS? GRAPEVINE TOWNSHIP? DISTRICT? YEAH, IT'S A DISTRICT.

YEAH, IT'S AN OVERLAY.

IT'S NOT ZONING, BUT I THINK IT'S ZONED RESIDENTIAL.

[INAUDIBLE] AND WE'RE TALKING.

AND THAT'S THE WINERY, RIGHT? THAT'S NO LONGER IN BUSINESS.

I'M SURPRISED IT DIDN'T HAVE THE VINTAGE ZONING.

211 EAST FOURTH STREET.

LANDLORD IS WHAT? I'M GUESSING IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN EASIER JUST TO GET THE OVERLAY ON IT VERSUS THE DISTRICT.

WE'RE GOING TO PULL UP THE ORDINANCE TO SEE THE WORDING.

THAT WAS DONE BY AT LEAST 30 YEARS AGO.

WHEN THEY FIRST STARTED THAT WINERY IN THERE.

DO YOU WANT ME TO ZOOM TO THE OTHER PROPERTY THAT'S ATTACHED OR JUST LEAVE IT FOR RIGHT NOW? JUST LEAVE IT. JUST GO.

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SO, IF HGT IS AN OVERLAY, WHAT IS IT? THAT'S BECAUSE IT'S NOT A GIS SAYS IT'S A DISTRICT TO US IS ESTABLISHED TO ACCOMMODATE LIMITED COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL USES IN THE HISTORICALLY SIGNIFICANT ORIGINAL TOWN GRAPEVINE BOUNDED BY NORTHWEST HIGHWAY, BALL STREET, COTTON BELT RAILROAD, AUSTIN, AND WOOD STREET.

WELL, THAT'S THE AREA. THE ORIGINAL TOWNSHIP.

THE TOWNSHIP? YEAH, ITS OWN SECTION 28 A AS A ZONING DISTRICT.

AND THE ZONING ORDINANCE.

YES. PERMITTED USE OF SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL CHURCHES AND CHURCHES.

WE GOT SOME CONDITIONAL USES IN EXCESS OF.

SAY THAT AGAIN AT THIS POINT.

PERMITTED USES.

SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL AND CHURCHES.

OKAY. AND CHURCHES CAN BE IN ANY ZONING.

NATASHA OR EVEN LASERFICHE.

THEY WON'T LET ME IN. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S JUST BECAUSE OF THE LIKE SO MUCH GOING ON IN HERE, IT JUST SPINNING BECAUSE THERE IS.

IS THERE A DATE ON THAT? ALBERT. IT'S JANUARY 2009.

OKAY. I HAVE A ZONING CASE OF 98.

GOOD. LET ME SEE IF I CAN GET.

YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT THERE. UPPER LEFT IN THE MIDDLE.

RIGHT THERE.

THANK YOU, MAN.

SO, I HAVE THIS FOR DISTANCE AND ANTI-GLARE.

I HAVE MONOVISION CONTACTS, SO I GET WEIRDED OUT.

I GOT TO SHORTEN THE LONG DISTANCE.

SOMETIMES IT'S VERY HARD TO.

DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.

THAT'S IT.

PERFECT. THREE DOWN.

I GOT TO SAVE SEARCH FUNCTION.

OKAY. BUT 27.

NOW TO SEE IF WE CAN SEE THIS THOUGH.

CAN YOU ZOOM IN A LITTLE BIT MORE? YES, MA'AM. THEY CHANGED IT FROM GV TOWNSHIP OR GV HERITAGE TO HGT. OKAY.

YEAH, THEY CHANGED.

SO THAT'S. WHAT'S THAT WAY IN THE DATABASE? IT'S NOT IN ANY OF THE DOCUMENTS THAT WE'VE REFERENCED IN 98, 98.

AND THAT IS OKAY, I THINK.

YEAH. Z-9827 THAT'S WHAT I CHECKED.

THERE'S A Z-9802.

BUT THAT WOULD BE PRE CURSING THE 27.

SO DO YOU WANT ME TO LOOK AT OH 290 802.

THAT'S ANOTHER ZONING CASE FOR THAT PROPERTY.

I MEAN, WE HAVE A SEPARATE OVERLAY FOR HISTORIC LANDMARK SUBDISTRICT.

AND THAT ACTS AS AN OVERLAY ON THOSE ORDINANCES.

STATE THAT IT'S AN OVERLAY, BUT THIS IS TO GRAPEVINE THAT'S AN ERROR IN WHAT WE WANT OUT THERE, BECAUSE.

THAT'S AN ERROR THERE FOR SAYING IT'S CHANGED TO THE ZONING WHEN WE KNOW IT'S AN OVERLAY MAP.

NO, I THINK I WAS WRONG EARLIER BECAUSE I WAS THINKING OF HL, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT I'M USED TO SEEING AT THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION, BUT THAT APPEARS TO BE ITS OWN DISTRICT. MY APOLOGIES FOR ADDING TO THE CONFUSION.

IT'S A ZONING CATEGORY.

BUT YOU SAID AS A MATTER OF RIGHT, IT'S ONLY RESIDENTIAL OR CHURCHES.

YES, SIR. AND THEN THERE ARE SOME CONDITIONAL USES AVAILABLE.

YES. IT'S JUST LIKE IT USED TO BE RESIDENTIAL FOR FUTURE MANAGERS TRYING TO GET THOSE ACROSS THE STREET OVER THERE AS BEST WE CAN LINE THAT UP.

SUGGESTED TO HER RIGHT THERE.

YEAH. WHAT ARE THOSE ONES BACK TO THE WEST OF THAT PROPERTY? SO THAT ONE RIGHT THERE, SHE HAD A MOUSE ON JUST THE IMMEDIATE WEST OF IT.

THAT'S GOING TO SUPPOSEDLY A LITTLE RECORD SHOP THAT THEY'RE LOOKING TO PUT IN THERE.

I DON'T KNOW HOW FAR THEY GOT ALONG.

I KNOW THEY REMODELED. I THINK THE WARE BROTHERS WERE IN THERE PAINTING IT, BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW FAR IT'S GOTTEN OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS.

AND THE PAINTING, THE PAINTING WITH THE TWIST.

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WITH THE TWIST AT THE PRINT SHOP.

YEAH. GRAPEVINE FOR IT.

AND THAT WAS. AND THAT'S AN OFFICE.

THERE ARE SOME PARKING LOTS.

HOW BIG IS THAT LOT? I'M NOT SURE.

LET ME GRAB THAT.

NOT EVEN DEVELOPABLE IS A LOT A LITTLE BIT SMALLER.

THIS ONE. YES, IT IS.

OH, I'M JUST TELLING HER.

YES, IT'S THAT LOT. OH, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GIVE ME ANY INFORMATION.

WELL ON THE HGT.

I CAN UNDERSTAND WHY WE WOULD WANT THAT RESIDENTIAL, SINCE IT'S ALREADY PART OF HGT, IS ALREADY PART OF RESIDENTIAL, RIGHT? IT'S RESIDENTIAL OR A CHURCH AND.

THERE IS A PROBLEM WITH THAT. BUT IN THE BUSINESSES, LIKE PAINTING WITH A TWIST AND MORE TOWARDS THE EAST.

TO THE WEST. AGAIN, IT'S THE SAME, SAME ISSUE I HAVE WITH CHANGING SOMETHING FROM THE CBD TO RESIDENTIAL APPRAISAL DISTRICT HAS THAT AS A 7500FT², SO LESS THAN A QUARTER OF AN ACRE.

ONE OWNED BY.

WHAT'S THE FRONTAGE THERE? CAN YOU SEE WORTH? CAN WE MEASURE THE LOT WIDTH? THE WIDTH OF THE LOT? OH.

JUST UNDER 50FT. IT'S NOT MINIMUM STANDARDS FOR A LOT.

WELL, THAT'S NOT COMPLETELY ACCURATE.

IT MIGHT BE RIGHT ON THE NOSE.

IF YOU GO OUT THERE AND ACTUALLY SURVEY, IT'S PROBABLY 50 POINTS.

LET'S GO. DOES IT HAVE A PLAT? IT'S GOT TO BE IT'S GOT TO BE ALL 20%.

I MEASURED 48.

4849. WOULD YOU GUYS WANT TO SIMPLY FOLLOW THAT LINE TO THE NORTH DOWN THROUGH THOSE PROPERTIES.

SO, MOVE THE SMITH STREET BOUNDARY FURTHER WEST.

SO, IF YOU ZOOM OUT A LITTLE BIT.

SO, TO THE NORTH OF TEXAS, JUST CONTINUE IT DOWN TO MEET IT AT WORTH STREET TO FOLLOW THE PROPERTY LINES.

YES. ON THE ON THE, UM, LIKE THE BOUNDARY WOULD BE THE HEAT.

THE HGT ONE.

IT WOULD BE THE 128 EAST TEXAS I THINK IT IS.

SO, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE LINE I DON'T KNOW WHICH ONE.

YEAH. YES. AND JUST FOLLOW THOSE PROPERTY DOWN LINES SOUTH.

THAT ONE RIGHT THERE.

SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

BECAUSE THIS IS THE HGT. THIS WOULD BE CHANGING TO GOVERNMENT OR PROPOSED TO BE CHANGED TO GOVERNMENT HERE THE PARKING LOT.

SO MAYBE START HERE.

WELL, WHAT ABOUT THAT? I DON'T THINK WE WANT TO.

WHAT? ARE WE GOING TO SPLIT THE LOTS UP OR ARE WE GOING TO GO DOWN THE PROPERTY LINES? LIKE I COULD UNDERSTAND GOING JUST STRAIGHT.

YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT THE GOVERNMENTAL USE AND GOING DOWN ALONG THE JUST RIGHT THERE WEST OF HGT.

BUT THEN WE'VE RECEIVED THAT'S NOT THE BEST PLACE FOR IT.

SO, YOU THINK, WHAT'S THE, UH, THE PROPERTY UP THERE THAT FRONTS TEXAS? THAT'S THAT'S RESIDENTIAL.

THAT'S ZONED RESIDENTIAL.

YES, YES, BUT THEN GOVERNMENT'S UNDER THAT.

YEAH. WELL, I WOULD CERTAINLY LEAVE THAT AS RESIDENTIAL.

YEAH. THAT ONE. AND IF WE'RE GOING TO DO, WE'RE GOING TO RECOMMEND GOVERNMENTAL USE OF THAT PARKING LOT.

SO, TO ME THE QUESTION IS DO YOU INCLUDE THAT SMALL NARROW LOT WITH MOVING THAT BACK TO THE WEST OR DO YOU STOP IT AT THE WESTERN BOUNDARY? WELL, IF WE'RE TRYING TO RETURN THINGS TO RESIDENTIAL, ARE THEIR HOMES ON THE LOTS, REGARDLESS OF THE LOT SIZE TO THE WEST OF THE HGT LOT? HIGH PAYING WITH THE TWIST.

BUT THOSE WERE METAL WHEELS.

THAT'S A METAL BUILDING.

AND THE HOME THERE, AND THAT'S NOT BIG ENOUGH TO BUILD A HOUSE.

IT'S NOT. SO, IT'S NOT ABOUT THOSE TWO RIGHT THERE WHERE THE HAND IS NOW THE CURSOR.

THOSE TWO ARE THOSE ARE TWOS OR THOSE OLDER HOMES, OLDER HOMES AND OLDER HOMES.

THAT ONE IS DO THEY HAVE HISTORICAL VALUE THERE.

THE ONE THAT ONE TO THE CLOSE TO THE PARKING LOT IS NOT LANDMARKED.

YES, IT HAS HISTORICAL. IT IS LANDMARK.

IT IS NOT OKAY, BUT IT HAS HISTORICAL VALUE.

IT'S AN HISTORIC DISTRICT. AND THEY BOTH DO, I THINK 1903.

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THEY'RE BOTH RIGHT ACROSS FROM ESPARZA'S.

RIGHT? YEAH, I THINK LEAVE IT.

WE GET A CBD.

I THINK ONLY BECAUSE THE METAL BUILDING, YOU'LL NEVER I MEAN, UNLESS SOMEBODY SCRAPES IT, IT'LL ALWAYS BE COMMERCIAL.

YEAH. I WANT TO LIVE IN DOWNTOWN GRAPEVINE.

YEAH. START AGAIN.

OR THOSE HOMES. THEY'RE OCCUPIED NOW.

DO YOU KNOW JASON B-DUB IS IN BETWEEN THE PRINT SHOP AND THE ONE TO THE LEFT IS NOT.

IT'S NOT OCCUPIED. THAT ONE THEY'RE GETTING READY TO OCCUPY AND THE ONE TO THE RIGHT IS NOT OCCUPIED CURRENTLY.

WHAT ABOUT THE ONES OVER THERE BEHIND THE PARKING LOT? THAT ONE RIGHT THERE THAT THE CURSOR IS ON, THE ONE TO THE LEFT OF IT.

IT'S NOT OCCUPIED. OKAY.

THE ONE THAT LEFT IS OCCUPIED.

NOT OCCUPIED. EITHER OF THEM IS OCCUPIED.

DO YOU KNOW WHEN THE ONE THAT ONE IS OCCUPIED? THAT ONE IS OCCUPIED? FAMILY.

NO, NO, IT'S A BUSINESS.

THAT'S ALL COMMERCIAL TODAY.

CHALLENGE WITH LEAVING IT.

CBD IS THE PARKING ISSUE.

YEAH. THEY HAVE. THEY CAN CREATE THEIR OWN PARKING.

THEY GOT ENOUGH LAND. THEY CAN MAKE THEIR OWN PARKING.

THAT'S CORRECT. YEAH. AND YOU'VE GOT AN OFFICE ON MAIN STREET.

THAT COULD BE A NON-ISSUE AGAIN.

SINCE THAT LOT NEVER GOING TO MEET THE BASIC CRITERIA FOR THE R7, I JUST SAY WE'D GO TO THE RIGHT THERE.

RIGHT? YEAH. JUST MAKE THAT THE BOUNDARY THAT MAKE THAT THE BOUNDARY OFF OF SMITH.

BETSY IS AT 205 AND 211 EASTWARDS.

YES, MA'AM.

WE'VE GOT THE SAME OWNER ON TWO LOTS.

IF YOU COMBINE THEM, YOU CAN COME BACK AND REPLAT THEM INTO TWO RESIDENTIAL LOTS.

RIGHT, RIGHT. BUT IT'S NOT THE LOT.

LINE TO LINE TO THE LEFT.

THIS COULD BE ONE LARGE LOT THAT CAN BE PLATTED IN THE TWO FOR RESIDENTIAL OR ONE BIG.

[INAUDIBLE]. YOU CAN ALWAYS COME BACK FOR THAT.

YEAH. YEAH, WE'D LET THEM, I'M SURE.

YEAH, YEAH. I MEAN, JUST LIKE TONIGHT.

ABSOLUTELY. GOOD.

EVERYBODY ALL RIGHT? I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION.

SO ABOVE THE GRAPEVINE PARKING LOT.

THAT'S RIGHT THERE. WHERE'S THE BOUNDARY LINE? THAT LOT, THAT ONE LOT IS STILL GOING TO BE WANTED RESIDENTIAL.

YEAH, JUST THAT ONE.

JUST THE WEST. JUST THAT ONE.

SO, BETWEEN 200 AND 212 EAST TEXAS.

RIGHT. SO, MAKE THIS DROP DOWN TO RL.

RIGHT. AND THEN THAT'LL BE GOVERNMENT UNDER 212 EAST TEXAS.

YEAH, THAT WOULD GO OUT OF THE HISTORIC OR OUT OF THE CBD.

OKAY. I THINK WE HAVE IT.

OKAY. OKAY. SO, MOVING SOUTH OF WORTH.

I'M NOT SURE THAT'S NOT GOOD LIKE IT IS.

THAT'S AS FAR AS US.

AND. THIS LOT RIGHT HERE IS CBD.

IT SHOULD BE OR. NO, IT SHOULD BE CBD BECAUSE YOU CAN SEE THE PURPLE LINE OR IT'S AS FAR AS THIS PARKING LOT.

WELL, BUT IT'S OUT OF CBD.

IT'S NOT IN THE CBD NOW.

THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING YES.

I WOULD SAY WE LEAVE IT MASTER PLAN OR FUTURE LAND USE FOR RESIDENTIAL.

IT'S NOT GOING TO CHANGE THEIR USE OF IT AND THE ABILITY TO USE IT FOR THE PARK.

YEAH. WHAT ADDRESS IS THAT? 5124 EAST FOURTH. YES, MA'AM.

YES, IT IS. OKAY.

TALKING ABOUT BUT OTHER.

BUT SHOW THAT THAT ONE THAT'S PURPLE IN THE CBD.

BACK TO RESIDENTIAL.

RESIDENTIAL. AND IS THAT PARCEL LANDLOCKED? YES. YEAH. RIGHT.

IT'S NOT A SEPARATE SITE.

RIGHT. SO, THE WHOLE PARCEL.

BUT STEPHEN WOULD HAVE TO ACQUIRE IT.

STEPHEN BROWN, IS THAT A HOUSE RIGHT ABOVE IT? IT'S A DUPLEX, A RESIDENTIAL DUPLEX.

YEAH, THAT. AND SO RIGHT NOW, AS FAR AS OWNS THAT PROPERTY, THAT'S THE PARKING, RIGHT? THIS WHOLE ENTIRE AREA HERE IS.

BUT IS IT A SEPARATE LEGAL LOT? I KNOW IT, YEAH, IT'S A SEPARATE LOT, BUT IT'S LANDLOCKED.

IT'S ONE. NO, IT'S ONE.

IT'S ONE BIG LOT. THAT IS ONE PLAT.

OKAY. THE YELLOW LINE REPRESENTS THE PARCEL BOUNDARY.

OKAY. AND THIS PURPLE LINE THAT COMES THROUGH IT.

THAT'S THE CBD. THIS IS CBD.

THIS SIDE IS RL OKAY.

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OKAY. WE'RE GOING TO TAKE DAD'S BACKYARD AND TURN IT INTO A PARKING LOT.

I THINK PART OF IT.

MY DAD GREW UP IN THE HOUSE RIGHT OFF THE STREET FOR A FEW YEARS.

RIGHT. THAT'S WHERE STEVE'S OFFICE IS OUT THERE NOW.

WHICH ONE? STEPHEN BROWN RIGHT THERE.

OH, SO THAT'S IT'S AN OFFICE RIGHT NOW.

SO, IT WORKS OUT OF IT.

HE PROBABLY LIVES ON THE OTHER ONES A DUPLEX.

SO DO WE. SO, A QUESTION IS, DO WE DO THE CBD WHERE THE STEVE BROWN IS, AND WHICH INCLUDE THAT LOT BELOW? NO, WE DON'T WANT TO EXPAND THE CBD.

WE WANT TO EXPAND THE CBD.

BECAUSE ACROSS THE STREET WILL STILL BE CBD.

SO, WE'RE GOING TO TURN IT PURPLE THING.

THAT ONE. YEAH.

YES. IT'S.

SOME COMMERCIAL BAND FOR BOTH OF THOSE.

AGAIN, CONCERNED ABOUT AFFECTING SOMEONE'S COMMERCIAL PROPERTY.

DO YOU GUYS WANT TO DO? MOVE SOUTH.

YOU'RE STILL LOOKING AT THIS.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS.

I KNOW NOBODY'S SAYING.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT LEAVING THE CBD AS IT'S MARKED THERE.

RIGHT? AND THEN.

TO THE EAST OF THAT WOULD BE FUTURE LAND USE WOULD BE RESIDENTIAL.

OKAY. AND HAVE WE DONE THAT IN OTHER INSTANCES, SOMEONE'S ENTIRE TRACT PART OF IT'S A DIFFERENT FUTURE LAND USE.

YEAH. YEAH.

YES, WE HAVE BUT IT ALSO REMEMBER LOOK AT ENCROACHES BACK INTO OTHER RESIDENTIAL AREAS RIGHT.

THAT'S THE REAL REASON YOU DO THAT.

IT'S NOT BECAUSE IT'S WRONG PERPETUALLY.

IT'S JUST BECAUSE IT WOULD ENCROACH BACK INTO THE OTHER RESIDENTIAL.

BUILDINGS IN THE VILLAGE AND ALMOST ADJACENT TO.

WELL, THAT'S WHERE HE ACQUIRED THAT PROPERTY WAS FROM THE BACK END OF THE BACK OF THAT LOT.

RIGHT. AND IT'LL STILL BE USED JUST LIKE IT'S BEEN USED NOW FOR DECADES.

PROBABLY. YEAH. AS HE CHANGES HIS RECIPES.

IT'LL BE USED THE WHOLE TIME AS HE STARTS WATERING DOWN HIS MARGARITAS.

HE'S GOT A WINNING, WINNING BUSINESS THERE.

GOOD. OKAY.

SOUTH. ALL RIGHT.

OKAY. IT'S KIND OF HARD.

DO YOU WANT ME TO SWITCH IT? THE SHADES TO THE FUTURE LAND USE? NO. OKAY, SO THE PURPLE LINE.

I WANT TO MAKE THE PURPLE LINE RED SO YOU CAN SEE IT BETTER.

RED LINE IS FUTURE LAND USE.

SO, WE'VE GOT CBD OVER HERE.

LOW DENSITY COMMERCIAL HERE.

RESIDENTIAL AND THEN RL OVER HERE.

SO THOSE ARE CURRENTLY IN THE FUTURE.

LAND USE IS RESIDENTIAL.

LOW COMMERCIAL.

OFFICE. LOW INTENSITY COMMERCIAL.

AND THESE ARE WHICH BUILDINGS THE POTTERIES LOOKS LIKE.

THE POTTERIES REPRESENT ART, THE IPAD, AND I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THIS.

THAT MIGHT BE RESIDENTIAL INSTRUCTIONAL BUILDING.

OKAY. IS THERE A DANCE PLACE OR SOMETHING? THAT'S WHERE THERE'S A SCHOOL OF SOME SORT THERE OR SOMETHING.

OKAY, SO THE STRUCTURES THEMSELVES ARE HOMES, AREN'T THEY? THEY'RE HOMES, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE SINGLE-FAMILY HISTORICAL HOMES IS WHAT THEY ARE.

THAT'S WHERE GRAPEVINE DR.

ALLISON'S HOUSE WAS. AND THEN THAT WAS WHERE HIS CLINIC WAS.

AND THE OTHER HOUSE. YEAH.

GRAPEVINE PERFORMING ARTS.

YEAH, ALL THOSE ARE MY SOURCES.

SO, THIS DAUGHTER'S HOUSE NEXT DOOR WAS DOWN ON THE NEXT STREET, I THINK, ISN'T IT? YEAH, THAT'S WEST COLLEGE.

UH, SO CURRENTLY THEY'RE ZONED COMMERCIAL, SO THEY'RE NOT IN THE CBD.

THESE TWO PROPERTIES ARE ZONED CBD.

NO, THEY ARE.

OKAY. SO, THEY'RE ZONED CBD.

AND THE FUTURE LAND USE IS LOW INTENSITY COMMERCIAL.

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AND SO, IF WE CHANGE IT FROM LOW INTENSITY, THAT MEANS WE WENT TO CBD.

THAT WOULD BE LESS PARKING, RIGHT? HE JUST ADDS, MAKES IT QUESTIONABLE WHAT IT IS.

THERE'S LESS PARAMETERS.

WELL, NO, I'M JUST ASKING ABOUT GOING FROM LOW INTENSITY COMMERCIAL TO CBD.

THERE'S MORE PARKING WITH MORE PARKING REQUIREMENTS, WITH LOW INTENSITY COMMERCIAL.

RIGHT? CORRECT. AND SO, UM, I DON'T KNOW WHY.

I DON'T KNOW WHY WE WOULD CHANGE THAT TO CBD.

WE SHOULD GO TO R75 BECAUSE OF THE NATURE OF THOSE HISTORICAL HOUSES.

I JUST HATE TO SEE THEM COME IN THEIR RESIDENTIAL, TEAR THOSE HOUSES DOWN AND DO SOMETHING COMMERCIAL.

RL YEAH THAT'S RL.

SO CAN YOU GO CAN YOU SCOOT UP A LITTLE BIT AND SEE WHAT WE'VE GOT ABOVE.

SO, THIS, OF COURSE, IS PARKING LOTS.

SO, THIS IS ALL OUR RL, RL AND THEN SOMEWHERE IN THERE.

THIS RED LINE TO THE EAST IS RL, TO THE WEST IS CBD, WHO IT GIVES US.

IT GIVES US A CLEAR PULL IT DOWN JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE SO WE CAN SEE NORTH.

YEAH. THANK YOU FOR THE GEOGRAPHIC DIRECTION.

THANK YOU. WELL, IT'S GOING TO BE ACROSS THE STREET FROM CBD.

I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH LEAVING IT LIKE COMMERCIAL JUST BECAUSE, AGAIN, AFFECTING PROPERTY VALUES.

YOUR MOTHER'S ABILITY TO DO WHAT THEY WANT WITH THE PROPERTY.

DO EITHER ONE OF THOSE HOUSES HAVE ANY KIND OF HISTORICAL LIFE? ABSOLUTELY. ARE THEY DESIGNATED? ARE THEY DESIGNATED YET? DR. ALLISON LIVED IN THAT HOUSE ON NEXT TO THE PARKING LOT THERE.

AND THEN THE PORCELAIN.

AND THE OTHER HOUSE IS WHERE HIS CLINIC WAS.

ARE THEY IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT? SO, THEY HAVE TO HAVE WITCHCRAFT STILL UNDER THAT OR THEY HAVE THAT OVERLAY, RIGHT? I DON'T KNOW. OKAY.

DOES ANYBODY KNOW? I DON'T BELIEVE I HAVE.

HERE'S THE HISTORIC EDITIONS.

LET ME. THAT'S JUST A BOX.

AND WHAT ABOUT THE TOWNSHIP? THEY'RE INSIDE THE TOWNSHIP. DO YOU HAVE IT IN THERE WITH IT? BECAUSE THE TOWNSHIP IS A LARGER BOUNDARY OF THE ORIGINAL TOWN.

GOTCHA. THROUGH THESE SOUNDS.

WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR IS THE HISTORIC LANDMARK SUBDISTRICT DESIGNATIONS, THE INDIVIDUAL ONES FOR PROPERTY THAT SELLS.

SO, THESE AREN'T IT? NO, NO. OKAY.

SO, SOMEONE COULD COME IN AND LEVEL THE BUILDINGS.

WELL, IF IT'S WITHIN THE HISTORIC TOWNSHIP, THEY'LL NEED TO GET A CFA.

GO THROUGH HISTORICAL TOWNSHIP.

CORRECT. IT'S STILL PROTECTED.

AND THEN, WHAT IS THAT DOWN THERE? I KNOW THAT THAT'S THE ACQUISITION.

THAT'S THE FUNERAL HOME. OKAY.

YEAH. MY DAD TELLS ME TO MAKE IT RESIDENTIAL.

IT'S MY GUY'S FUNERAL HOME.

NO. LOOK.

THERE'S, THERE'S 2 POUNDS.

THREE THAT THAT MAKES IT A LOT CLEANER LINE THROUGH THERE, TOO, WITH THE PROPERTIES ON THE SOUTH OF IT.

ALL RIGHT. YEAH. LET'S GO.

SO THAT WHOLE AREA SHOWN AS LC TO RESIDENTIAL OR YOU'RE SAYING BRING THAT LINE DOWN FROM THE NORTH? NO, I THINK THAT WHOLE CORNER FROM SMITH, FROM SMITH TO SOUTH PROPERTIES TO BE RESIDENTIAL.

AND THEN WE HAVE A PROFESSIONAL SOUND PART.

YEAH. THIS ALL IN HERE IS LOW INTENSITY COMMERCIAL.

ALL RIGHT.

OH, WELL, THEN ALL THAT NEEDS TO BE.

WE'RE JUST GOING TO HAVE TWO RESIDENTIAL, RIGHT.

THAT WHOLE BOX THERE.

YEAH. YOU MIGHT NEED TO READ OFF THE ADDRESSES.

YES, PLEASE.

WE GOT 204 EAST FRANKLIN, 212 EAST FRANKLIN, 121 EAST COLLEGE.

205 EAST COLLEGE.

213 EAST COLLEGE.

510 SMITH.

AND THEN 223 EAST COLLEGE.

OKAY, SO.

SO ARE THOSE HOMES.

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THAT'S WHERE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WHERE THE WRIGHT FAMILY IS.

ARE THOSE RESIDENTIALS CURRENTLY? YEAH. SO, LEMOYNE IS RESIDENTIAL, COMMERCIAL, RESIDENTIAL, RESIDENTIAL.

AND THEN WRIGHT OWNS THE CORNER LOT THAT SMITH THAT HE RENTS IT OUT TO WARHAMMER FOR THEIR HEADQUARTERS.

AND THAT'S THE PROFESSIONAL OFFICE.

YEAH. SO, IS THAT RED? IS THAT A RED BRICK HOUSE? YEAH. IS IT? PROBABLY. [INAUDIBLE].

TITLE COMPANY.

PRETTY GOOD WITH THIS? YES. ALL RIGHT. LET'S GO SOUTH.

OKAY.

OKAY.

MIC]. WE HAD THE LOW INTENSITY FROM OUR DIP DOWN INTO HERE.

AND THEN YOU GET BACK RESIDENTIAL TO THOSE.

SOUTH SIDE OF THE STORAGE UNITS ON COLLEGE.

NO, NO, NO. SHE'S TALKING.

HE'S TALKING ABOUT THE COLLEGE STREET.

214 COLLEGE IS NEXT TO, YOU KNOW, OH, RENATA'S.

THOSE ARE THE SALON.

AND THEN THAT'S AMERIPRISE, WHERE SHE'S GOT THE POINTER RIGHT NOW, AND THEN RENATA IS THE ONE TO THE RIGHT.

AND THEN WHAT'S FURTHER TO THE WEST FROM WHERE YOU'RE AT? THAT. OH, NO, THERE'S THIS SMALL BUILDING TO THE WEST.

YEAH. I MEAN, WHAT'S.

YEAH. WELL, I MAY STAIRSTEP THE 206 THE ONE VERSUS [INAUDIBLE] OFFICE THAT ONE.

THAT HAS. NO, I DON'T THINK THAT'S A HISTORIC BUILDING AT ALL.

BUT IT'S A BUSINESS.

IT'S A BUSINESS. SO, ALL THOSE ARE BUSINESS.

YEAH, THAT'S A BUSINESS.

AND THEN THE CN IS WHAT'S THAT STAND FOR? COMMERCIAL NEIGHBORHOOD, COMMERCIAL ZONING.

COMMERCIAL. WHAT IS IT NOW? IT'S NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL ZONING, LLC.

BUT WHAT IS THERE NOW? IT'S THE HAIR SALON.

OKAY. AND SO, I THINK THOSE ARE BUSINESSES, AND THEY SHOULD STAY.

THAT. THE FUTURE LAND USE IS LC.

FOR THIS PROPERTY HERE.

WHICH ALLOWS FOR MORE PARKING.

YEAH, BUT. BUT THOSE.

THAT'S THE DORIS HOUSE THAT THAT ONE OUGHT TO BE.

I JUST THINK ALL THOSE OUGHT TO BE RESIDENTIAL ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE OTHER RESIDENTIAL AREAS.

IT MAKES A LOT MORE SENSE, AT LEAST UP TO 214.

YEAH. 26 EAST COLLEGE 214 EAST COLLEGE CB TO RL OR CENTRAL BUSINESS TO LOW INTENSITY RESIDENTIAL AND IN 224 EAST COLLEGE LOW INTENSITY COMMERCIAL TO RESIDENTIAL.

THAT'S WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST.

THEY'RE GOING WITH THE EXCEPTION OF 206.

RIGHT. YEAH, I WOULD, I WOULD STOP.

I WOULDN'T DO 206. I WOULD STOP AT 214.

WHY, IF YOUR ARGUMENT'S BECAUSE IT'S NOT A HISTORIC HOME.

LIKE THERE'S NO HOME THERE RIGHT NOW.

YEAH. BUT ACROSS THE STREET'S RESIDENTIAL IF THE ARGUMENTS RESIDENTIAL.

SO THEN BECAUSE THESE ARE ALL BUSINESSES AND ACROSS THE STREET A RESIDENTIAL CURRENTLY.

THE EXCEPTION OF ONE.

I MEAN, COME ON.

AND THEN. YEAH, THE POA, WHICH IS THE BUSINESS.

WELL, I THINK FOR LARRY'S, WE JUST WANT TO CAPTURE SOME OF THE HISTORICAL HOMES FOR THE FUTURE WHERE SOMEBODY WANTS TO PURCHASE THAT AND TURN IT INTO A HOUSE AND LIVE IN IT VERSUS KEEP IT AS A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY, WHEREAS THAT ONE THAT BUTTS UP AGAINST THE BACK OF A WAREHOUSE LIKELY IS NOT GOING TO GET TURNED INTO A RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY NEARLY AS QUICKLY AS THE ONE TO THE EAST OF IT.

OH, WELL, I UNDERSTAND.

YEAH, I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT JUST ANYBODY COULD DO THAT IF THEY WANTED TO.

NOW, YOU KNOW.

SO, YOU'RE SAYING GO ALL THE WAY TO ESSEX? TO ESSEX? I WOULD NOT INCLUDE RESIDENTIAL.

I'M MORE FOR THE LANDOWNER CONTINUING TO KEEP THE PROPERTY AS IT IS.

THAT'S MY CONCERN.

I LIKE RESIDENTIAL ACROSS FROM RESIDENTIAL.

THAT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE.

ACROSS THE STREET.

SO, FOR ALL THREE OF THEM, RESIDENTIAL.

IT MAKES SENSE TO ME.

UH, THAT'S THAT OFF? THAT'S NOT A WAREHOUSE.

ISN'T THAT A SERIES OF OFFICES? THAT'S OFFICES.

YEAH, THAT. IS THAT THE WINN-DIXIE?

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THAT WAS THE OLD WINN-DIXIE.

WOW. OH, REALLY? YES. THAT'S ALL CBD THERE.

YEAH, IT MAKES SENSE.

AND THEN THAT LITTLE AREA RIGHT THERE SHOULDN'T.

SO THAT RED LINE THAT GOES AROUND, THAT'S JUST THE HISTORIC AREA OR THE DESIGNATION.

LET'S MAKE SURE WE'RE ALL TOGETHER HERE ON THIS ONE UP HERE.

WHAT ARE WE GOING TO? WHAT ABOUT THOSE LOTS AND THOSE THREE LOTS.

I'M GOOD ANYWAY.

I'D CALL RESIDENTIAL.

THAT'S OKAY. FOR RESIDENTIAL.

RESIDENTIAL? THAT'S FINE.

OKAY, SO ALL THREE OF THOSE LOTS WOULD BE OUT OF THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT AND RESIDENTIAL.

OKAY. HAS THERE BEEN ANY TALK OVER THE YEARS, ESPECIALLY WITH THE RAILROAD DISTRICT, ABOUT REDEVELOPING THE CMU, THE WAREHOUSES? WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY APPLICATIONS COME FORWARD.

NOBODY TALKS ABOUT IT.

YEAH. STORAGE IS USUALLY A MOBILE HOME.

PARKS ARE VERY LUCRATIVE.

SO, GOOD LUCK.

IT MAKES SENSE FOR THAT TO BE RESIDENTIAL.

FUTURE LAND USE. YEAH, IT PROBABLY DOES.

I THINK IT DOES.

IF I CAN TEAR THE WAREHOUSES DOWN AND PUT A NICE ZONING, THEIRS KIND OF STICKS OUT LIKE A SORE.

YEAH, IT CERTAINLY DOESN'T NEED TO BE INDUSTRIAL DOWNTOWN.

KIND OF. YEAH. THAT'S RIGHT.

IT COULD USE SOMETHING THAT'S RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE RAILROAD.

RIGHT. WE'VE GOT HOUSES ALL DOWN THERE, THOUGH.

IT'S NOT LIKE THAT. I GUESS IT WAS RESIDENTIAL.

I THINK IT OUGHT TO BE RESIDENTIAL DOWN THERE.

AS FAR AS THE FUTURE LAND USE.

WHAT WOULD WE DECIDE ON OF THREE LOTS.

RESIDENTIAL. OKAY, SO WE'RE JUST COVERING RESIDENTIAL ALL THE WAY DOWN TO HUDGINS.

IF WE'RE MOVING IN THAT DIRECTION, WHY NOT? WOULD THAT MAKE SENSE? I CERTAINLY DON'T THINK WE OUGHT TO LEAVE THE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL THERE.

RIGHT. WHAT IS THAT? DICKENSON. IT'S SOME SORT OF BUSINESS.

I DON'T KNOW THE BUSINESS.

AUTOMOTIVE EQUIPMENT.

IT'S NOT VIRGINIA TIRES THERE.

OH, SO THEY ADVERTISE.

CAN'T WAIT. SO? SO NEXT TO BETWEEN DICKENSON AND JJ'S.

WHAT IS THAT LITTLE PURPLE SPOT? IS THAT JUST A PARKING LOT? NO, THAT'S A COMMERCIAL BARBECUE PLACE.

KEEP GOING WEST. YEAH.

NO, THAT'S A PARKING LOT.

CENTRAL PARK. OKAY, SO.

BUT IS THAT PART OF THE CBD KIND OF JUST UNUSED LAND? YEAH. IS THERE A PROPERTY? NO, IT'S ERIC DICKINSON'S PROPERTY, BUT IT'S NOT IN THE CBD.

THAT'S CORRECT.

THAT'S NOT CORRECT.

SO THEN IF WE'RE GOING TO GO RESIDENTIAL TO HUDGINS, THAT WOULD BE PART OF THE RESIDENTIAL PART OF THAT RESIDENTIAL AREA.

WHERE'S THE PROPERTY LINES FOR THAT? THE YELLOW LINE IS PROPERTY.

THE YELLOW LINE IS PROPERTY.

THIS PRO-PEACE. HE'S GOT TWO DIFFERENT ZONINGS ON HIS PROPERTY.

I DON'T REALLY MIND THINKING OF THAT AS COMMERCIAL MIXED USE, THAT LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.

WE DON'T HAVE THAT ZONING CATEGORY ANYMORE.

OR YOU COULD DO COMMERCIAL.

THEY'D HAVE TO BE NLC, LOW INTENSITY COMMERCIAL.

YEAH. I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT BEING COMMERCIAL EITHER IN THAT AREA.

IT IS.

AND THEN. WELL, BUT IF WE'RE GOING TO PROPOSE RESIDENTIAL FOR THOSE THAT, IN SEEING THE TWO PROPERTIES TO THE WEST, WE OUGHT TO BE BACKING IT UP TO RESIDENTIAL, TO THE COMMERCIAL.

I AGREE WITH THAT. YES.

NOW THAT I FEEL DIFFERENTLY ABOUT THAT ATTRACT ON THE OTHER SIDE OVER HERE, WHERE THAT LINE GOES DOWN AND WEST, IF YOU JUST WENT STRAIGHT DOWN FROM THAT, THE PROPERTIES ON WHARF STREET AND THEN LEAVE THE REST OF THAT COMMERCIAL.

SO NOT BUT NOT LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.

YEAH. IF YOU JUST WENT STRAIGHT THERE, AT LEAST YOU WOULD LINE UP WITH THE OTHER PROPERTIES WITH THAT.

SO, YOU WOULD DO THAT.

LIKE RESIDENTIAL BECAUSE IT ALL BACKS UP TO RESIDENTIAL.

RESIDENTIAL. I'M TALKING ABOUT WEST WITH THE RESIDENTIAL AND THEN CBD.

THIS ONE. YEAH.

THEN BRING THE CBD ALL THE WAY DOWN THERE IF YOU WANTED TO.

YEAH. SO, 113 EAST HUDGENS WOULD BE THE CBD.

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JUST SEEMS LIKE 131.

IT'S COMING RIGHT NOW.

I KNOW, I DON'T KNOW. YES, MA'AM.

INTENSITY COMMERCIAL.

[INAUDIBLE] BUSINESSES AND THEN 131 EAST HUDGENS WOULD BE.

I AGREE WITH YOU CMU TO RL.

YEAH. WE MAKE IT CBD.

DUE TO THE PARKING.

DO YOU WANT TO MAKE THAT [INAUDIBLE] RATHER THAN, SAY, OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? YOU HAVE TO HAVE SOME PARKING DOWN THE DOWN THE STREET, SQUARING IT OFF THE CBD, SQUARING IT OFF AT THE CBD.

YOU KNOW, INSTEAD OF SQUARING IT OFF, WOULD YOU WANT TO MAKE THAT CASTLE? THAT WOULD BE [INAUDIBLE] INSTEAD OF MAKING IT CBD? YEAH, BECAUSE OF THE PARKING ISSUE.

THAT'S THE ONLY REASON I WOULD MAKE SENSE.

JUST TO SQUARE IT OFF FOR PARKING NOW, IT WOULD HAVE THE CBD ISSUE.

THAT'S FINE, TOO. YEAH, WELL IT'S COMMERCIAL.

IT NEEDS TO BE COMMERCIAL UP AGAINST THOSE OTHER PROPERTIES, RIGHT? YEAH. IF YOU GO TO THE LINE STRAIGHT DOWN, WHERE THE WAREHOUSES ARE THERE.

BRING THAT DOWN THERE AND EVERYTHING BACK TO THE RIGHT TO BE RESIDENTIAL ON THE FUTURE LAND USE.

AND THEN THAT SINGLE PROPERTY THAT'S LEFT LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.

YEAH. THAT ONE. MAYBE MAKE THAT TO BE LOW INTENSITY FOR THE COMMERCIAL.

THAT WAY THEY HAVE TO PROVIDE SOME.

THAT WAY THEY'LL HAVE TO PROVIDE THEIR OWN PARKING.

AND YOU COULD DO THE I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THAT OTHER LITTLE TRACK.

THAT'S UP TO YOU.

SO, LIGHT COMMERCIAL IS.

WHICH IS BETWEEN THAT AND NEIGHBORHOOD.

COMMERCIAL? YEAH.

YEAH. SO.

OKAY, SO WHAT ABOUT THE LITTLE THE LITTLE PART THAT'S IN THE CBD THERE OR IT'S PURPLE.

IT'S NOT REALLY IN.

WELL, IT'S PART OF THAT SAME 113 SAME.

SO JUST MAKE THAT WHOLE THING LOW INTENSITY COMMERCIAL.

YEAH. RIGHT. BUT 131 EAST HUDGINS YOU WANT, UM, RESIDENTIAL, LOW INTENSITY, LOW DENSITY AND ALL THE WAY BACK.

AND LIKE THE IDEA, THE COMMERCIAL.

I KNOW, IT JUST SEEMS LIKE YOU COULD DO SOMETHING COOL WITH THAT.

YOU KNOW THE RAILROAD DISTRICT.

BUT WHAT ABOUT 351 EAST HUDGENS? DOES THAT GO TO RESIDENTIAL? I THINK SO, YEAH.

IF EVERYTHING ELSE IS, [INAUDIBLE] SOON.

YEAH, AGAIN, I STILL THINK ALL THAT.

I DON'T LIKE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE LOW INTENSITY COMMERCIAL AROUND THAT AREA.

I THINK ATTRACT OR THOSE.

THESE TWO BLOCKS RIGHT HERE.

YOU KNOW THAT LOT AND THE ONE TO THE LEFT? THESE TWO? YES.

YEAH. OKAY. THANK YOU.

BIT LONG, SO THE SMALLER ONES JUST OVER AN ACRE AND THEN THE OTHER ONES JUST UNDER TWO.

THREE. SO JUST UNDER TWO.

JUST OVER ONE ACRE.

THREE ACRES. BUT THEY WOULD BOTH INDEPENDENTLY QUALIFY UNDER THE BELOW COMMERCIAL SUBDIVISION.

I THINK THAT YOUR OPTIONS THERE.

YOU NEED TO LOOK AT THOSE AS THE WAREHOUSE OR THE STORAGE HOUSE AND THE SEC TO THE TO THE EAST AS LOW INTENSITY COMMERCIAL OR RESIDENTIAL.

YEAH, THE WHOLE AREA WOULD BE COMMERCIAL.

AND THEN EVEN THAT, THAT CO IS COMMERCIAL NOW AS THERE'S A LITTLE KIND OF A WEIRD, BIZARRE THING GOING ON THERE.

I THINK THAT'S JUST REALLY EXCESS RIGHT OF WAY BECAUSE THAT LOT'S BEEN PLATTED AND DEVELOPED.

THAT MONSTER GARAGE WITH THE UNIT WAS BUILT THAT JUST NEEDS TO BE CHANGED TO WHATEVER TO RL.

THIS LITTLE WEIRD PIECE WAS WHAT ADDRESS IS THAT? IT IS.

ONE 6365 EAST HUDGENS JASON SOUTHERN SLICE NEEDS TO BE LOOK LIKE YEAH PIZZA SPINE PIZZA PIECE.

WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THAT? I WANT TO SAY COMMERCIAL OR RESIDENTIAL, I THINK, OR INTENSITY COMMERCIAL WOULD BE NICE.

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I LIKE LOW INTENSITY COMMERCIAL.

YEAH, I DEFINITELY THINK COMMERCIAL WILL BE BETTER FOR SURE, TOO.

WELL THEN LET'S DO THE WHOLE THING THERE BECAUSE THAT LOT IS JUST UNDER TWO ACRES.

SO, IT WOULD QUALIFY INDEPENDENTLY IN THAT SCENE BECAUSE IT'S LESS THAN TWO ACRES.

BASED ON THE NEW CATEGORIES WE TALKED ABOUT.

AND THE OTHER ONE IS, TOO.

SO, BOTH OF THOSE WOULD WORK OUT FOR THAT LOW INTENSITY COMMERCIAL ZONING.

OKAY, IF THAT'S YOUR PLEASURE TO DO THAT, SINCE IT'S ACROSS FROM THE RAIL AREA.

I LIKE THAT WE HAVE THREE PARCELS.

YEAH. CMU I'M PRETTY SURE IT'S.

NO. IT'S JUST.

JUST TWO. I THINK THAT ONE.

THAT ONE, THAT WAS TV. EXCUSE ME.

AND THEN LOW INTENSITY COMMERCIAL.

AND THEN THE SECOND ONE.

ACTUALLY, THAT'S NOT CBD.

THAT ONE THERE. WE SAID TO MIKE INTENSITY COMMERCIAL ALREADY.

SO, IT'S JUST THE ONES BACK TO THE EAST HERE THE LARGE TRACT AND THE CC TRACK.

THAT WAS YOUR PLEASURE? YES. YEAH, I LIKE THAT COMMERCIAL LOAN.

WE GOT THAT. OKAY.

EVERYTHING ELSE WE GOT BACK DOWN HERE.

IT'S IN THE CBD.

IT DOESN'T SKIP OVER GRAPEVINE, I MEAN, BETSY DOESN'T KNOW.

IT GOES TO I THINK WE HAD IT.

YOU MEAN LIKE THE AREA, IF YOU WILL.

UH, YOU MEAN THE ASSESSMENT AREA OR THE ACTUAL FUTURE LAND USE.

THE ACTUAL FUTURE LAND USE? GOTCHA. WE DIDN'T ADDRESS THERE'S A COUPLE.

LET'S SEE HERE.

SELF-INDULGENCE. THERE'S A LITTLE BIT.

THAT'S CBD.

SO, THAT'S ACTUALLY.

NO. THIS.

NOPE. THIS IS.

NOPE. CMU? YEP. CMU.

I THINK WE'VE GOTTEN ALL OF THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT, FUTURE LAND, CBD.

YEAH, THAT WAS IN THE BOUNDARY LINES.

I'M GOING TO MAKE SURE.

WAS THAT CBD.

UM, THAT'S THIS IS ZONING.

OKAY. THAT'S THE ZONING.

YES, MA'AM. AND BUT IT'S CMU, RIGHT? AS FAR AS MATH.

YEAH. IN THE PURPLE IS THE FUTURE USE.

I MEAN, THAT WHOLE FAMOUS CMU.

YEAH. WHICH DOESN'T EXIST, WHICH IS THIS THIS IS ZONING CBD.

YEAH. AND I'M GOING TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S NOT PART.

JUST MAKE SURE WE GOT IT ALL.

SO, SOME OF THE MILLS IS.

SOME OF ITS LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.

SO, YOU GOT IT ALL. THAT BLUE HIGHLIGHTED LINE IS THE WHOLE CBD.

YEAH. FOR FUTURE LAND USE.

THAT'S ALL WE INTENDED TO FINISH TONIGHT WAS THE CBD.

YES OKAY.

SO NOW THE NEXT QUESTION IS WHERE DO YOU WANT TO GO NEXT.

NO. WHAT QUADRANT DO YOU HAVE THAT DIVIDED INTO QUADRANTS BEFORE OR SOMETHING? NORTH. WEST. YEAH.

SO, WE GOT.

WE WANT TO KIND OF MOVE. CAN YOU ZOOM IN A LITTLE BIT PLEASE.

ZOOM IN. OKAY. TO THE CENTRAL CITY? YES. I DON'T KNOW WHY WE COULDN'T JUST KEEP GOING.

YEAH, I WAS GOING TO GO SOUTH OR NORTH SOUTH LINE AND GO WEST SOUTHWEST AND TACKLE DALLAS ROAD.

YEAH. AND THE MILLS AREA.

AND SO, THE ONLY THING I WOULD SAY ABOUT THAT IS WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THE NEED TO RELOOK AT THE TRANSIT DISTRICT ZONING THING.

AND SO, UNTIL WE GET THAT KIND OF FIGURED OUT WHAT TO DO WITH THAT, I'M NOT SURE THAT'S A GOOD PLACE TO GO YET.

SOUTHWEST AND CENTRAL.

SOUTHWEST. BUT WHAT THAT GETS US STILL IN THE PART OF THE TRANSIT DISTRICT.

RIGHT. SO, HE SAID, NO DRINK UNTIL WE GET THE TRAIN, TILL WE GET THE SANDWICH.

OKAY. OKAY.

GOT IT, GOT IT, GOT IT. LET'S GO NORTH.

IS THERE AN EASY ONE? YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.

YOU MAY NOT MAKE THE LET'S MAKE THE NEW YEAR'S BREAK.

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SORRY. YEAH, WELL, WE COULD DO.

WE CAN DO THE CENTRAL, NORTHEAST AND NORTHWEST, WHICH GETS US IN THE CORE TOWN, WHICH WE TALKED ABOUT TRYING TO GET THOSE DONE ALREADY, WHICH SHOULDN'T BE TOO MUCH TO DO.

OTHER THAN SOME OF THESE AREAS WHERE WE'VE HAD SOME TRANSITIONS.

SO, WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO PREPARE MAPS FOR THOSE TWO AREAS? LET'S LOOK AT THOSE TWO AREAS IN X.

AND I'D SAY LET'S LOOK AT NORTHEAST FIRST.

NORTHWEST HIGHWAY TO DALLAS.

PARTS OF THE TWO IN THAT NORTH CENTRAL NORTHEAST SECTION AS WELL.

IT DEFINITELY ENCOMPASSED THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT'S DOWN HERE IN DALLAS.

IT GOES TO DALLAS THERE.

LET'S SEE.

TERMS OF THIS LAB.

IT WAS MAINLY TO ASSESSMENT AREAS.

WE MIGHT NEED TO USE THE RAIL LINE AS THE BOUNDARY ON THE SOUTH.

FOR NOW, WE TURN ON.

TO TALK TO SONY.

OOPS. WRONG WAY.

YOU'RE DOING GOOD. OKAY, SO SEE THAT GREEN AREA? THAT'S THE TRANSITION ZONE.

LET'S DO A LITTLE BIT OF PORTIONS OF IT.

BUT LOOK AT EVERYTHING.

MAKE THE RAILROAD TRACK THE BOUNDARY ON THE SOUTH.

LET'S LOOK EVERYTHING NORTH OF THERE UP TO NORTHWEST HIGHWAY IN THE CENTRAL NORTHEAST.

SO, WE'LL REVISE THE ASSESSMENT AREA MAP.

LET'S TAKE OUT THE.

BUT WE CAN JUST HAVE A TOD ASSESSMENT AREA.

YEAH, I THINK YOU WANT TO DO THAT.

BUT WE'VE GOT TO DO THAT LATER BECAUSE WE'VE GOT TO ADDRESS.

SO, I'LL JUST KIND OF EXPLODE THAT OUT.

AND THEN WE'LL HAVE THE TRANS DISTRICT BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T COVERED THE TRANSIT DISTRICT AREA IN THE CBD.

NO. YES, ABSOLUTELY.

YEAH. WE JUST TAKE THAT OUT OF THE NORTHWEST CENTRAL AND NORTHEAST CENTRAL.

ABSOLUTELY. I LOOK AT THOSE TWO.

YEAH, OKAY.

GREAT. GOOD.

AND IT REALLY HELPS.

OH, YEAH.

GOOD. VERY MUCH.

I MEAN, I LOVE QUESTIONS ABOUT DATA.

IT'S ONLY A LINK.

OKAY, GUYS. INTERESTING TO KNOW THAT YOU WANT TO ADD, YOU KNOW, LIKE.

YEAH. JUST KIND OF VANILLA SPIN UP THE TRANSIT DISTRICT IN THERE.

YEAH. SINCE WE GOT ALL THE TIME LET'S LOOK AT THE NORTHEAST CENTRAL UP AROUND NORTHWEST HIGHWAY AND KIND OF SCAN WITH THAT.

ZONING IS SO WE CAN.

AND FURTHER, YOU WANT TO LOOK AT ZONING AND FUTURE LAND USE.

FUTURE LAND USE MAP PROBABLY.

OKAY.

OKAY. THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT.

SO, EVERYTHING'S HIGHWAY COMMERCIAL DOWN THROUGH THERE, ALONG THE EAST WALL? RIGHT. SO, IT'S PRETTY CLEAN.

OTHER THAN THAT, TO THE GOVERNMENTAL.

SO NOW LET'S LOOK AT THE SAME PLACE.

BUT LET'S LOOK AT THE ZONING, ACTUAL ZONING, GOVERNMENTAL GET HOPPED UP THERE.

IT USED TO BE A SCHOOL OWNED BY THE SCHOOL DISTRICT.

THANK YOU. I GOT A CALL OUT SOME OF THIS STUFF BECAUSE I GOT WAY TOO MUCH STUFF.

YOU'RE LIKE.

YOU'RE WELCOME.

HERE'S THE ZONING. THIS IS THE ZONING.

SO, I WOULD SAY THERE'S VERY LITTLE COMMERCIAL ALONG THE NORTH PART OF WALL STREET.

AND THAT'S 12.

THAT'S RIGHT. THAT'S RIGHT.

YEAH. UM, YEAH.

THE ASSESSMENT AREA.

RIGHT. OKAY.

YEAH. LET'S ATTACK THAT ONE NEXT.

OKAY. CENTRAL NORTHEAST.

AS FAR AS, LIKE THE HARD COPY MAPS, DO YOU GUYS LIKE HAVING ZONING SEPARATE FROM FUTURE LAND USE, OR DO YOU WANT THEM TOGETHER? SEPARATE. SEPARATE.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

ANYBODY HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT WE'VE DONE TONIGHT OR WHAT WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT NEXT? OKAY. WE'RE GOING TO ADJOURN THE WORKSHOP.

THANK YOU.

GETTING USED TO BRINGING THEM.

ALL RIGHT, IT'S 7:00.

[REGULAR MEETING CALL TO ORDER]

LET'S GO AHEAD AND CALL THE BRIEFING TO ORDER.

SO, THERE ARE, WE HAVE FOUR JOINT PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION THIS EVENING.

[2. Conduct a briefing session to discuss all items scheduled on tonight’s agenda. No action will be taken. Each item will be considered during the Regular Session, which immediately follows the Joint Public Hearings. ]

THE FIRST ONE IS FOR THE EXISTING 7-ELEVEN AT 3581 MILL BOULEVARD, PRESENTLY ZONED CC COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL.

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THEY'RE REQUESTING TO AMEND THEIR FLOOR PLAN ASSOCIATED WITH THE SITE PLAN AND MASTER SITE DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

FOR A CONVENIENCE STORE WITH GASOLINE SALES FOR THE PURPOSES OF REMODELING.

INTERIOR OF THAT EXISTING 7-ELEVEN TO INCORPORATE LAREDO TACO COMPANY.

SO, THIS SHOWS YOU THE LOT ONE, A ONE IN COMPARISON TO THE OVERALL MASTER SITE PLAN AND THE INTERIOR CHANGES. THE EXISTING 7-ELEVEN CONVENIENCE STORE IS APPROXIMATELY 3000FT², AND THEY WOULD BE REMODELING 217FT² WITH FOUR INDOOR SEATS WITHIN THE STORE.

THEY HAVE A TOTAL REQUIRED PARKING IS 26.

WE HAVE 36 PARKING SPACES.

BASICALLY, THEY'RE NOT REALLY A RESTAURANT.

IS THAT RIGHT? TAKE OUT RESTAURANT.

DIDN'T THEY SAY A FEW FOR INDOOR SEATS OR SEATS? WHERE ARE THE FOUR SEATS? THEY'RE AT THE ENTRANCE RIGHT HERE.

OH, OKAY. SO, THEY'RE GOING INTO THE WINE SELLING BUSINESS THEN? WELL, THEY'VE HAD OTHER BUSINESSES.

YEAH, JUST BEER AND WINE.

CHANGING THE FLOOR PLAN.

WELL. JUST OUT OF CURIOSITY TO SHOW MY IGNORANCE.

WHAT COULD THEY DO WITHIN THE SPACE WITHOUT COMING TO US? SO, YOU SEE, LIKE THEY COULD PROBABLY CHANGE THE ORIENTATION OF THEIR SHELVING, THINGS LIKE THAT.

IT'S A CONDITIONAL USE. SO, ANYTHING WE APPROVE SPECIFIC IN THE CONDITIONAL USE REQUEST USE THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK THROUGH THE CHANGE TO THAT.

BUT THEY COULD LIKELY MODEL THE INTERIOR WITHOUT COMING TO US AS LONG AS THEY DIDN'T CHANGE WHERE CERTAIN THINGS ARE AND STUFF LIKE THAT.

OKAY. ANYBODY ELSE.

THIS WAS JUST HAPPENSTANCE, BUT THIS IS 711 EAST WALL STREET.

THE RELATION TO THE CONVENIENCE STORE.

THIS IS A PROPOSED REZONING FOR A LITTLE LESS THAN A QUARTER OF AN ACRE FROM A HIGHWAY COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICT TO AN R SEVEN AND A HALF SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT.

AND THE PROPERTY OWNER IS PROPOSING TO REZONE IT FOR THE PURPOSE OF DEVELOPING A NEW SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED HOME.

THIS PROPERTY DID HAVE A SINGLE-FAMILY HOME AND AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE THAT WAS ON THE PROPERTY BUT WAS DEMOLISHED IN 2022.

IF APPROVED, IT WOULD EXPAND THE EXISTING R-7.5 DISTRICT TO ITS IMMEDIATE EAST AND THEN BE VERY SIMILAR TO THE ZERO-LOT LINE ZONING.

HOMES THAT ARE DEVELOPED TO ITS IMMEDIATE WEST.

QUESTIONS? THERE'S A PLAT ASSOCIATED WITH IT. WELL, IT'S ON THE PUBLIC HEARING.

IT DOESN'T NEED A PUBLIC HEARING.

IT'S NEVER BEEN PLATTED BEFORE.

IT'S A FINAL PLAT.

SO, IT'S JUST LOOKING TO BUILD A NEW SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL HOME ON THE LOT.

IT MEETS ALL THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE ZONING.

SO REGARDLESS OF HOW YOU VOTE FOR THE ZONING CHANGE THIS EVENING, THE PLAN CAN BE APPROVED OR SHOULD BE APPROVED.

OKAY. CONDITIONS.

THIS NEXT REQUEST IS A TEXT AMENDMENT TO SECTION 60 SIGNED STANDARDS OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE.

AND THIS IS THE FORMER PAYTON WRIGHT AUTO DEALERSHIP.

THE DEVELOPER OF THIS NOW FIVE LOT RESTAURANT DEVELOPMENT IS SEEKING TO AMEND THE ZONING ORDINANCE AND ORDER TO ALLOW FOR SHARED SIGNAGE BETWEEN LOTS 3R-2 AND 3R-1.

THIS IS FIREBIRDS WOOD FIRE GRILL, WHICH HAD PREVIOUSLY BEEN APPROVED AND IT WOULD BE A SHARED POLE SIGN ON THIS LOT RIGHT HERE.

LOT THREE R1.

WE BELIEVE THAT THIS WILL BE A FUTURE DRIVE THRU RESTAURANT WITH A SHARED POLE SIGN WITH TWO SIGN FACES.

SO, THEY COME TO YOU AND SAY WHAT WE NEED.

WE OBVIOUSLY NEED MORE SIGNS, MORE SIGNAGE.

AND THEN DOES THE CITY SAY YOU HAVE TO AMEND THIS ORDINANCE? IT'S SORT OF SURPRISING TO ME TO AMEND IT ORDINANCE.

REMEMBER WHEN THEY FIRST CAME AND GOT THIS WHOLE TRACK?

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THEY WERE WE LIMITED THE NUMBER.

RIGHT. EXACTLY I REMEMBER THAT.

SO, THE ONLY WAY THEY'RE GOING TO GET TO HAVE SIGNAGE IS TO SHARE.

YEAH. AND SINCE THEY'RE NOT ON THE SAME LOT, IT'S DIFFERENT BECAUSE YOU CAN'T HAVE AN OFFSITE SIGN.

YOU HAVE TO AMEND THE ORDINANCE.

THE ORDINANCE. WE CAN'T JUST SAY JUST THIS ONCE.

YOU CAN HAVE IT BECAUSE IT'D BE VIOLATING THE OTHER ORDINANCE ABOUT HAVING AN OFFSITE SIGN.

SO, THEY ORIGINALLY WENT AFTER FOUR SIGNS.

THERE WAS THREE LOTS ORIGINALLY.

AND THEN THEY'VE COME BACK, AND THEY'VE SUBDIVIDED TO FIVE LOTS, AND THEY'VE BEEN APPROVED FOR FOUR WHOLE SIGNS.

YEAH. EXTRA LECTURE.

YES. FOR THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT DON'T HAVE TO COME BACK TO US WHEN WE PASS THIS ORDINANCE.

LIMITED TO JUST THIS AREA.

I MEAN, IT'LL START LIKE ESTABLISH A PRECEDENT AND WILL THE PRECEDENTS ALREADY THERE FOR THE MALL AND OTHER COMMERCIAL CORRIDORS. SO, THIS IS SIMPLY ADDING THESE TWO LOTS IN.

SO SPECIFIC TO THIS IS SPECIFIC ADDITION.

SO, THESE TWO LOTS.

SO, WHATEVER MIGHT HAPPEN LIKE SOMEWHERE ELSE IN THE CITY, IT WOULD HAVE ITS OWN ORDINANCE ASSOCIATED WITH IT.

THEY STILL HAD TO FOLLOW THE CURRENT ORDINANCES WHICH DOESN'T ALLOW THEM TO HAVE AN OFFSITE.

GOT IT. ARE THE OTHER EXCEPTIONS GRAPEVINE THOSE THAT ARE OFF SITE? ARE THOSE THE ISSUE OFF PREMISES, JUST LIKE THE PROPERTY NEXT DOOR? WHAT DO YOU MEAN? THE PROPERTY NEXT DOOR? WELL, JUST WHERE IT'S IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT.

IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT. RIGHT.

SO, WITH THE MALL, IT'S MORE AN AREA OF COMMON DEVELOPMENT WITH MULTIPLE LOTS.

SOME OF THEM ARE BISECTED BY PUBLIC RIGHTS OF WAY.

SO, IT'S MAINLY JUST TREATING THAT WHOLE DEVELOPMENT AREA AS ONE PREMISE FOR SIGNAGE PURPOSES.

I HAVEN'T DONE ANY LIKE WAY DOWN THE BLOCK IN A DIFFERENT.

I THINK THERE ARE SIGNS THAT AREN'T BECAUSE THEY'RE MULTI-TENANT SIGNS.

YEAH, THEY CAN BE SOMEWHERE BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF THEM ARE DIRECTIONAL TYPE THINGS TO THAT.

SO, THEY'LL KNOW THAT WHERE THEY HAVE TO GO TO GET TO THOSE SIGNS.

SO, IT'S PRETTY OPEN WIDE OPEN THERE.

THEY'RE LIMITED TO THE NUMBER OF SIGNS AND SO FORTH.

BUT THEY CAN KIND OF DO.

THIS MAY SOUND LIKE A DUMB QUESTION, BUT IT SAYS THE POLE CAN GO TO 40FT, BUT THEN THE SIGN CAN GO ANOTHER 24.

I BELIEVE IT IS. 20FT HIGH.

THAT'S THE 40 AND THEN 20 FOOT IN HEIGHT FOR THE SIGNED CABINET.

CAN THEY GO 40 AND 20? IT'S GOT TO STOP AT 40 AND SIGNS BELOW THE 40.

JUST CUZ STOP AT 4041.

PAGE TWO OF THE PRESENTATION, SUBSECTION 1622 B NOT TO EXCEED 24. MAXIMUM 36.

24. FOR POLE SIGNS AND MULTI-TENANT POLL SIGNS EXCEEDING 20FT IN HEIGHT.

A SIGN CABINET DIMENSIONAL REQUIREMENT SHALL NOT EXCEED 24FT IN WIDTH OR HEIGHT, A MAXIMUM OF 36IN IN DEPTH, AND A MAXIMUM GROSS SURFACE AREA.

THAT'S FOR THE CABINET AND THE EFFECTIVE AREA OF THE SIGN.

DIMENSIONS FOR THE TOP OF THE CABINET WILL BE 40FT.

OKAY. YES.

COOL. AND THEN THE NEXT JOINT PUBLIC HEARING ITEM IS THE AMENDMENT TO THE COMPREHENSIVE MASTER PLAN.

THESE ARE THE CHANGES TO THE TABLE AND SUBSECTION OF SECTION FOR LAND USE.

I DO HAVE CORRECTIONS FOR YOU THAT WE HAD AT YOUR PLACE AT OUR JOINT MEETING WITH THE COUNCIL ON THE 27TH.

I DID MISS.

FOR KEEPING NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL DISTRICT WHOLLY WITHIN THE LOW INTENSITY COMMERCIAL AND LEAVING THE TWO ACRES OR LESS.

CAVEAT BEING THAT CORRECT? CORRECT. IT'S NOT ALLOWED IN CC.

CORRECT. SO, THESE ARE THE TABLE CHANGES THAT WERE DISCUSSED.

ONE THING WE DID ADD IS THERE'S A SECOND PARAGRAPH IN SUBSECTION E THAT LISTED ALL THE COLORS ON THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP.

THIS COLOR FOR RESIDENTIAL, THIS COLOR FOR COMMERCIAL.

THOSE HAVE NEVER BEEN ADHERED TO IN PRACTICE.

SO, WE'RE ACTUALLY ASKING TO WRITE IN THE COLORS THAT ARE USED ON THE FUTURE.

IT REALLY HAS NO MATERIAL CHANGE IN WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO, BUT IT DOES MEMORIALIZE WHAT HAS BEEN DONE IN PRACTICE ON THE ONLINE MAP. OKAY.

WHAT'S THE? SO, LIKE THE REST? I MEAN, THE RESIDENTIAL THAT'S OVER TOP OF THE RETAIL THAT'S ON DALLAS AND MAIN.

[01:20:08]

[INAUDIBLE]. RIGHT.

SO, WHAT IS IT, WHAT CATEGORY WILL IT BE IN.

JUST. JUST COMMERCIAL.

BUT HOW DOES A DEVELOPMENT EVER GET MADE AGAIN? IT HAS MIXED.

WELL, THEY CAN ZONE PIECES OF IT, BUT THERE'S NOTHING TO PROHIBIT THEM FROM ASKING FOR THAT AS A CONDITIONAL USE UNDER A COMMERCIAL CBD OR YES, COMMERCIAL.

OKAY. GOTCHA. THAT'S ALL I WAS CURIOUS ABOUT.

LIKE MAKE SURE THERE WAS STILL A HOW THEY COVERED.

THAT'S ANOTHER REASON WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE RAIL DISTRICT AREA TO KIND OF SEE, MAKE SURE WE GOT ALL THE TOOLS IN THERE THAT WE NEED FOR THE KIND OF DEVELOPMENT WE WANT THERE TO.

WELL, I HAVE A QUESTION.

WHAT HAPPENS IF WE APPROVE THIS TONIGHT? THE STAFF GOING TO GO IN AND TAKE THE CURRENT FUTURE LAND USE MAP AND CHANGE IT.

NO. OKAY. WE'LL HAVE TO BRING THAT BACK TO YOU AND YOU'LL HAVE THIS DISCUSSION.

YES. OKAY.

YES. WELL, I WAS HOPING THAT WASN'T GOING TO BE SOMETHING.

THIS. I KNOW BETSY WAS ASKING ABOUT THIS AT THE DECEMBER 13TH WORKSHOP.

IT THESE CHANGES DO NOT ACTUALLY CHANGE THE MAP.

THAT'S A SEPARATE EXERCISE IN SUBSEQUENT PROCESS.

SO, THE CHANGING THE TEXT OF THE COMPREHENSIVE.

OKAY. ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY.

SO, THIS IS BASICALLY JUST THE DEFINITIONS OF WHEN YOU SAY THE TEXT, THESE ARE THE CATEGORIES THAT WILL USE TO PUT UP THERE.

AND THEN ONCE WE APPROVE THIS, WE'LL HAVE TO APPROVE, LIKE I SAID, THE MAP.

IT ALSO GOES THROUGH EACH ZONING CATEGORY AND MAKE SURE THAT WORDING IS APPROPRIATE.

FOR INSTANCE, LIKE THE GRAPEVINE FRONTAGE SPECIFICALLY STATES LOW INTENSITY COMMERCIAL.

SO OKAY.

NOTHING ELSE.

THAT'S ALL.

I'M SORRY. THAT'S ALL FOR THE SESSION.

OKAY. IT'S.

ALL RIGHT, WE'LL ADJOURN THE THREE.

AND FROM THE EXECUTIVE SESSION THAT BEGAN ABOUT 7:00.

MR. RUMBELOW, ANY ACTION OF THE COUNCIL AS A RESULT OF THE EXECUTIVE SESSION? NO, YOUR HONOR. ALL RIGHT.

THAT CONCLUDES THE 7:00 MEETING AT 7:30.

MR. CHAIRMAN, ARE YOU READY? YES, SIR. ALL RIGHT, COMMISSIONER HUTTON, ARE YOU READY? ALL RIGHT. WE'LL CALL THE 730 MEETING TO ORDER AND ASK YOU TO RISE FOR THE INVOCATION AND PLEDGE.

COMMISSIONER TRACY HUTTON.

DEAR LORD, WE THANK YOU FOR THE MANY BLESSINGS YOU'VE BESTOWED ON OUR CITY.

WE PRAY FOR PROTECTION FOR OUR FIRST RESPONDERS, OUR CITY, STATE AND COUNTRY, ESPECIALLY DURING THIS HOLIDAY SEASON.

WE PRAY THAT YOU WILL BE WITH US TONIGHT AS WE DELIBERATE, GIVE US WISDOM AND UNDERSTANDING IN OUR DECISIONS SO THAT WE CAN BENEFIT OUR COMMUNITY.

WE PRAY THAT YOUR LOVE SHINES DURING THIS TIME AND THAT WE REFLECT YOU IN OUR ACTIONS, ATTITUDES, AND BEHAVIORS.

IN YOUR NAME, AMEN.

AMEN. AMEN. THE PLEDGE.

YOU'RE WELCOME TO OUR MEETING TONIGHT.

A THIRD MEETING FOR THE SECOND MEETING OF THE MONTH.

THE THIRD TUESDAY OF THE MONTH.

THEY HAVE JOINT PUBLIC HEARINGS BETWEEN THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AND THE COUNCIL, WHICH IS THE CASE TONIGHT.

WE HAVE ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR PUBLIC HEARINGS, AND THE PROCEDURE WILL BE WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING ON EACH CASE.

WE'LL ASK THE STAFF TO INTRODUCE THE REQUEST THAT'S BEING MADE.

AND AFTER THE TESTIMONY IS TAKEN, WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

IF YOU WISH TO SPEAK IN REGARD TO ANY OF THE PUBLIC HEARINGS, YOU NEED TO REGISTER WITH MISS BROOKS, THE CITY SECRETARY.

SHE HAS A FORM FOR YOU TO FILL OUT.

SO, WE HAVE A RECORD OF YOUR PARTICIPATION.

AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARINGS ARE FINISHED, THE PLANNING ZONING COMMISSION MOVES TO THE RIGHT, THE MEETING ROOM AND DISCUSS THE ISSUES AND MAKES RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE COUNCIL.

AND WE'LL CONSIDER THOSE LATER THIS EVENING.

AND AFTER THAT WE'LL BE, PICK UP WITH CITIZEN COMMENTS AND THE CITY'S AGENDA.

SO, WE WILL OPEN PUBLIC HEARING ON CONDITIONAL USE.

[4. Conditional Use Permit CU23-33 (7-Eleven) – City Council and Planning and Zoning Commission to conduct a public hearing relative to an application submitted by Jennifer Derenski requesting a conditional use permit to amend the previously approved site plan CU2019-02 (Ordinance No. 2019-006) for a master site development plan for gasoline sales and off premise consumption of alcoholic beverages (beer and wine only) in conjunction with a convenience store. This request is specifically to revise the floor plan to allow for a Laredo Taco Company restaurant within the existing 7-Eleven convenience store and gas station. The subject property is located at 3580 North Grapevine Mills Boulevard and is currently zoned “CC”, Community Commercial District. ]

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CU 23-33.

GOOD EVENING, HONORABLE MAYOR.

MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL, MR. CHAIRMAN, AND MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.

THIS IS A REQUEST TO AMEND THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED SITE PLAN OF CONDITIONAL USE 19 ZERO TWO FOR MASTER SITE DEVELOPMENT PLAN WITH GASOLINE SALES AND OFF PREMISE CONSUMPTION OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE CONVENIENCE STORE WITH GASOLINE SALES.

THIS REQUEST IS SPECIFICALLY TO AMEND THE FLOOR PLAN OF THE EXISTING 7-ELEVEN CONVENIENCE STORE TO REMODEL IT AND ALLOW FOR LAREDO TACO COMPANY RESTAURANT WITHIN THE EXISTING BUILDING ENVELOPE.

THE PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY ZONED CC COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL DISTRICT AND DEVELOPED AS A CONVENIENCE STORE, WHICH WAS APPROVED IN FEBRUARY OF 2019.

WITH THIS REQUEST, THE APPLICANT INTENDS TO RELOCATE WINE STORAGE TO ALLOW THE FLOOR PLAN TO REMODEL TO ALLOW FOR A 217 SQUARE FOOT LAREDO TACO RESTAURANT WITHIN THE EXISTING 3000 SQUARE FOOT 7-ELEVEN CONVENIENCE STORE.

TOTAL PARKING FOR THE REQUIRED CONVENIENCE STORE WITH RESTAURANT IS 26 PARKING SPACES AND 36 PARKING SPACES ARE PROVIDED.

THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE, MR. MICHAEL MCMUNN, IS HERE THIS EVENING TO PRESENT TO YOU AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT THE COUNCIL AND COMMISSION MAY HAVE.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE.

MY NAME IS MICHAEL MCMUNN.

I'M WITH SOS CONSTRUCTION SERVICES.

I LIVE AT 125 GROVE AVENUE, PITTSBURGH, PA 15229.

SO I TRAVELED A LITTLE WAY TO MEET EVERYONE TONIGHT.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME, THOUGH.

UM, AS MENTIONED, WE ARE LOOKING TO INSTALL A LAREDO TACO COMPANY INTO THE EXISTING FOOTPRINT.

FIRST SLIDE I HAVE OBVIOUSLY IS THE STOREFRONT ITSELF.

THE SECOND SLIDE I'M GOING TO SHOW YOU IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO DO IS ADD A SMALL LAREDO TACO COMPANY SIGNAGE TO THE EXTERIOR OF THE BUILDING.

WE DO HAVE A SIGNAGE PACKAGE IN FOR REVIEW RIGHT NOW.

CURRENTLY, THIS IS JUST A RENDERING.

IT MAY MODIFY SLIGHTLY DEPENDING ON WHAT THE REVIEW AND APPROVAL PROCESS GOES LIKE.

UH, THE NEXT THE NEXT SLIDE.

I HAVE, UM, TWO, TWO PICTURES.

ACTUALLY, THE ONE ON THE LEFT IS AN ACTUAL CLOSE UP OF THE LAREDO TACO COMPANY.

UM, KIND OF GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT IT WILL LOOK LIKE, HOW THE FOOD SERVICE LINE WILL BE, AND THINGS ALONG THOSE LINES.

AND THE PICTURE ON THE RIGHT KIND OF GIVES YOU AN OVERALL LAYOUT OF THE FLOOR PLAN ITSELF, WITH THE LAREDO TACO COMPANY IN IT, AS WELL AS THE FOOD AND BEVERAGE AREAS THAT WE TYPICALLY SERVICE.

IF ANYONE HAS ANY QUESTIONS, I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM AT THE BEST OF MY ABILITY.

IS IS THE FOOD ACTUALLY PREPARED ON SITE, OR IS IT JUST LIKE CREATED SOMEWHERE ELSE AND WARMED UP THERE? DO YOU KNOW? I DON'T KNOW THAT, BUT I'M GOING TO ASK LUCAS PATTON.

HE'S A 7-ELEVEN REP TO KIND OF STEP UP IF YOU COME ON UP HERE.

YEP. AND KIND OF SPEAK TO IT.

I BELIEVE IT IS MADE FRESH, BUT I WILL LET YOU MAKE THE TORTILLAS FRESH.

WE DO MAKE THE TORTILLAS FRESH.

YEP. WE GET MATZO BALLS THAT WE PRESS FRESH, FOR FRESH TORTILLAS.

ALL THE INGREDIENTS ARE DELIVERED FRESH, AND THEN WE COOK THEM, PREPARE THEM ON A FLAT TOP, GRILL ON THE BACK LINE.

HOW MANY EMPLOYEES WILL THIS? WHEN WE OPEN UP, WE'LL OPEN UP WITH BETWEEN 12 AND 15 EMPLOYEES JUST FOR THE LAREDO TACO SIDE.

AN ADDITIONAL 8 TO 12 FOR THE RETAIL SIDE.

OKAY. WHAT ELSE? NO QUESTIONS. NO OTHER QUESTION.

ALL RIGHT. QUESTIONS FROM THE COUNCIL.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

DO WE HAVE ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK? NO, YOUR HONOR. ANY CORRESPONDENCE? NO, SIR. THERE'S NOT. MR. CHAIRMAN, WE NEED A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

MOTION TO CLOSE.

SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? THE COMMISSION VOTED TO CLOSE THE MOTION FROM THE COUNCIL.

CLOSE. SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR? ALL OPPOSED.

THE PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED.

PUBLIC HEARING IS OPEN ON ZONING CHANGE APPLICATIONS.

[5. Zoning Change Application Z23-09 (711 East Wall Street) and Final Plat of Lot 1, Block 1, Martha’s Vineyard – City Council and Planning and Zoning Commission to conduct a public hearing relative to an application submitted by Neal Cooper requesting to rezone 0.230 acre from a “HC”, Highway Commercial District to a “R7.5”, Single-Family District for the purpose of developing a single-family residential dwelling. The applicant is also requesting to plat one residential lot. ]

823-09, WHICH IS 711 EAST WALL STREET, AND THE FINAL PLAT OF LOT ONE, BLOCK ONE OF MARTHA'S VINEYARD. YES, SIR.

THIS REQUEST IS TO REZONE A LITTLE LESS THAN A QUARTER OF AN ACRE FROM THE HIGHWAY COMMERCIAL DISTRICT TO AN R-7.5 SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT, WITH THE PURPOSE OF CONSTRUCTING A NEW SINGLE-FAMILY DWELLING.

THE APPLICANT INTENDS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW 3700 SQUARE FOOT SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED RESIDENCE ON THE PROPERTY.

HISTORICALLY, THIS PROPERTY WAS ZONED C2 COMMUNITY BUSINESS DISTRICT PRIOR TO THE CITY'S 1984 CITYWIDE REZONING, HOWEVER, IT HAD ALREADY DEVELOPED AS A SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENCE WITH ACCESSORY STRUCTURE.

THAT RESIDENCE AND ACCESSORY STRUCTURE WERE VOLUNTARILY DEMOLISHED IN 2022.

[01:30:03]

THIS CONCLUDES STAFF'S PRESENTATION.

THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE, MR. NEIL COOPER IS HERE THIS EVENING TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE.

GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS NEIL COOPER.

I LIVE AT 404 EAST WALL STREET.

I'M REPRESENTING THE KUMAR FAMILY.

THEY OWN THE PROPERTY. THEY ALSO LIVE NEXT DOOR TO THE PROPERTY.

THE GOAL OF THIS WAS AGAIN TO GET CONTINUITY ACROSS THE NORTH SIDE OF WALL STREET AND BRING IT BACK TO RESIDENTIAL.

THIS WAS A HIGHWAY. COMMERCIAL PROPERTY WAS KIND OF A THORN IN EVERYTHING, AND THIS HAS BEEN A REALLY GREAT BREAKTHROUGH.

TO BE ABLE TO GET THAT BAD PROPERTY OUT AND TURN IT OVER.

WE'RE GOING TO BE PUTTING A PRAIRIE STYLE HOME IN HERE, WHICH IS GOING TO BE REALLY CONSISTENT WITH THE AREA, AND IT'S GOING TO BE A REAL NICE ADDITION TO THE AREA.

SO, HOPE YOU VOTE FOR IT.

QUESTIONS. ANY QUESTIONS? ANY QUESTIONS? NO QUESTIONS.

ALL RIGHT. QUESTIONS FROM THE COUNCIL.

APPARENTLY, NONE.

ALL RIGHT. DO WE HAVE ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK? NO, YOUR HONOR. ANY CORRESPONDENCE? YES, SIR. THERE'S ONE LETTER OF SUPPORT IN FRONT OF YOU.

MR. CHAIRMAN, WE NEED A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

MOTION TO CLOSE. SECOND.

THE COMMISSION CLOSED A MOTION FROM THE COUNCIL TO CLOSE.

SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? ALL OPPOSED. THE PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED.

PUBLIC HEARING IS OPEN.

[6. AM23-06 Multi-Tenant Pole Signs – City Council and Planning and Zoning Commission to conduct a public hearing relative to amendments and changes to the Comprehensive Zoning Ordinance, No. 82-73, same being Appendix D of the Code of Ordinances, as follows: Section 60, Sign Standards relative to On-Premise Signs and Pole Sign Conditional Uses. ]

ITEM 23-6 MULTITENANT POST SIGNS.

AND CITY COUNCIL AND PLANNING ZONING COMMISSION TO CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING RELATIVE TO AMENDMENTS AND CHANGES TO THE COMPREHENSIVE ZONING ORDINANCE NUMBER 82-73, SAME BAND, APPENDIX D OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES, INCLUDING SECTION 60 SIGN STANDARDS.

ERICA. MORONIC.

YES, SIR. THE DEVELOPER OF THE PLANNED COMMERCIAL CENTER LOCATED AT THE FORMER PAYTON-WRIGHT AUTOMOTIVE DEALERSHIP CAME BEFORE THE COUNCIL AND COMMISSION AT YOUR MEETING ON JUNE 20TH, 2023.

AND AT THAT TIME, THEY HAD ASKED FOR CHANGES TO THE PROPOSED ROCK AND BREWS RESTAURANT THAT IS ON LOT 1R-4.

AT THAT TIME, THE DEVELOPER AND THEIR REPRESENTATIVE DISCUSSED A DESIRE FOR ADDITIONAL POLE OR PYLON SIGNS, AS THEY HAD SUBDIVIDED THE PROPERTY INTO MORE LOTS THAN THE THREE ORIGINALLY THAT HAD BEEN PROPOSED WHEN IT FIRST CAME BEFORE YOU.

AS A COMMISSION AND COUNCIL, THEY HAVE CURRENTLY RE-PLATTED THE PROPERTY INTO FIVE INDIVIDUAL LOTS, AND THEY'VE BEEN APPROVED FOR A TOTAL OF FOUR PYLON SIGNS.

SO, IN ORDER TO ACCOMMODATE AN ADDITIONAL POLE SIGN, THEY ARE REQUESTING TO AMEND, IT'S SECTION 60 SIGN STANDARDS OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE IN ORDER TO ALLOW FOR A SHARED POLE SIGN BETWEEN TWO LOTS.

LOTS 3R-2 AND 3R-1, WHICH IS SHOWN ON THE SCREENS BEFORE YOU.

THE DEVELOPER, MR. BRETT EVANS, IS HERE THIS EVENING AND IS AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.

WE ALSO HAVE A CONCEPT OF WHAT THE SHARED POLE SIGN MAY BE.

UM, OVERALL, THE AMENDMENT HAS NOT CHANGED SUBSTANTIALLY AT ALL FROM THE LAST MEETING WE HAD WHERE WE REQUESTED TO CALL A PUBLIC HEARING FOR THIS ITEM IN OCTOBER OF 2023.

THANK YOU. OKAY.

HI. THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.

ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO? MR. CHAIRMAN. WELL, WHAT WERE YOU GOING TO SHOW THAT SLIDE OF? OH, I'M SORRY. THAT'S ON YOUR LIST.

SO, WE WERE APPROVED FOR SIGNED WITH JUST FIREBIRDS ON IT.

BUT WE HAVE A FIFTH USER, WHICH WE'RE NEGOTIATING A LEASE WITH PORTILLO'S.

AND, YOU KNOW, THEY REQUIRE A PYLON SIGN AS WELL.

IT'S BEEN CLEAR THAT FIVE SIGNS WILL NOT BE ACCEPTED.

AND SO WE'RE TRYING TO GET, UH, BOTH TENANTS REPRESENTED ON ONE SIDE.

CAN YOU EXPLAIN EXACTLY WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO WHERE THE SIGN'S GOING TO GO BETWEEN THE, IT'S GOING TO BE ON THE FIREBIRDS PROPERTY, RIGHT WHERE YOU SEE THE GREEN.

UH, MEET THE RED OR ORANGE AT THE FRONTAGE ROAD.

AND THE FIREBIRDS PROPERTY IS THE GREEN OR.

YEAH, IT'S THE GREEN. IT'S THE PROPERTY IN R-THE BACK.

AND YOU CAN SEE IT'S OUTLINED IN GREEN AND IT'S GOING TO BE RIGHT ON THE FRONTAGE ROAD THERE.

OKAY. AND THEN CAN YOU GO BACK TO THAT OTHER SLIDE.

WHAT'S THE OTHER RESTAURANT THAT'S GOING IN WHERE PORTILLO'S.

AND WHERE IS THAT.

THAT RESTAURANT IS ON A DIFFERENT LOT.

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YES. OKAY.

WHERE'S THAT? IT'S ON THE BLANK LOT WITH THE.

IT'S JUST DIRT AT THE MOMENT.

TO THE EAST OF SON OF A BUTCHER, IN BETWEEN VELVET TACO AND SON OF A BUTCHER.

OKAY, SO IT'S ON THE DIFFERENT LOT.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THAT'S RIGHT.

IF YOU GO BACK TO THE SIGN HEIGHT THERE, AM I READING THAT CORRECT? IS THAT ALL WITHIN ALLOWANCES THERE? ERICA, AS FAR AS THE HEIGHT, YES.

THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT IS SHOWN IS 40FT.

OKAY. THIS LOOKS LIKE 45 OR 8 OR SOMETHING.

I COULDN'T TELL WHAT IT SAID. OKAY.

THANK YOU. OTHER QUESTIONS.

NO OTHER QUESTIONS.

ALL RIGHT. QUESTIONS FROM THE COUNCIL.

IS THERE AN OPTION? CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE SLIDE THERE ON THE RIGHT.

IT HAS BOTH RESTAURANTS ON ONE SIDE.

AND THEN YOU'VE GOT TWO DIFFERENT SIGNS.

AND ON THE LEFT. IS THAT WHAT YOU PLAN TO DO.

THE TWO DIFFERENT SIGNS.

ARE THEY EQUAL SIGNS TWO PANELS ONE POLE OKAY.

BUT IT'LL BE THE TWO SEPARATE PANELS.

CORRECT? OKAY.

IS THE THINKING THAT THOSE WILL GET HUNG AT THE SAME TIME? OR DO YOU SEE A FIREBIRDS GOING UP AND THEN THE SECOND ONE COMING UP SOME OTHER TIME? I THINK THAT THE SIGN WILL BE BUILT WITH THE FIREBIRDS SHOWN, AND THEN THE OTHER PANEL WILL PROBABLY BE BLANK UNLESS THE LEASE WITH PORTILLO'S IS COMPLETE, HARD AND COMPLETE.

YEP. THANK YOU.

WHEN DO YOU THINK THESE RESTAURANTS ARE GOING TO BE OPEN, ESPECIALLY FIREBIRDS.

UH, FIREBIRDS. SCHEDULED OPENING IS FEBRUARY 29TH.

OKAY. THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NO, SIR. APPARENTLY NOT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU, THANK YOU.

DO WE HAVE ANYONE REGISTERED TO SPEAK? NO, YOUR HONOR. HAVE ANY CORRESPONDENCE? NO, YOUR HONOR. MR. CHAIRMAN, MOTION TO CLOSE THIS PUBLIC HEARING.

MOVE TO CLOSE SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR? NONE OPPOSED.

THE COMMISSION CLOSED A MOTION FROM THE COUNCIL, SO MOVED SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR? ALL OPPOSED.

MOTION CARRIES.

THE PUBLIC HEARING IS OPEN ON MP 23-1.

[7. MP23-01 Comprehensive Master Plan – City Council and Planning and Zoning Commission to conduct a public hearing relative to amendments and changes to the Comprehensive Master Plan (1974-1994, updated 1987) of the City of Grapevine Ordinance No. 87-11, as follows: Subsection E., Future Land Use, of Section IV., Land Use to revise zoning districts consistent in corresponding future land use categories. ]

COMPREHENSIVE MASTER PLAN.

CITY COUNCIL AND PLANNING ZONING COMMISSION TO CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING RELATIVE TO AMENDMENTS AND CHANGES TO THE COMPREHENSIVE MASTER PLAN 1974 TO 1994, UPDATED 1987 OF THE CITY OF GRAPEVINE.

ORDINANCE NUMBER 87-11 AND CONCLUDING SUBSECTION A FUTURE LAND USE OF SECTION FOR LAND USE TO REVISE ZONING DISTRICTS CONSISTENT AND CORRESPONDING FUTURE LAND USE CATEGORIES.

YES. THIS IS A REQUEST TO AMEND SUBSECTION E, FUTURE LAND USE OF SECTION FOUR.

LAND USE OF THE COMPREHENSIVE MASTER PLAN TO UPDATE THE TABLE THAT IS EXISTING WITHIN THE SUBSECTION OF THE COMPREHENSIVE MASTER PLAN.

THIS TABLE WAS ADOPTED ORIGINALLY IN 1993, WHICH ADOPTED THE WILLIAM D TATE STATE HIGHWAY 121 CORRIDOR STUDY AS AN AMENDMENT TO THE COMPREHENSIVE MASTER PLAN. THE TABLE WAS A TEXT AMENDMENT TO EXPLAIN HOW ZONING AND LAND USE ARE REFLECTED IN THE GRAPHIC FORM OF A MAP.

THIS TABLE IS ALSO HOW STAFF DETERMINES IF A PROPOSED ZONE CHANGE REQUEST IS CONSIDERED, WITH APPROPRIATE WITHIN THE PROPERTY'S DESIGNATION, BASED ON DENSITY AND USE. THE LAST TIME THIS TABLE WAS UPDATED WAS IN 2017, WHEN THE COMMISSION AND COUNCIL ADOPTED THE COMMUNITY MIXED USE DESIGNATION AND THEN DESIGNATED 733 ACRES THROUGHOUT THE CITY IN FIVE AREAS.

THIS HAS BEEN WORKSHOPPED MULTIPLE TIMES AND BROUGHT BEFORE A SUBCOMMITTEE OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.

MOST RECENTLY, IT WAS AT THE JOINT WORKSHOP OF THE COMMISSION AND COUNCIL ON NOVEMBER 27TH.

PLEASE NOTE THAT AT YOUR PLACE AT THE DAIS, YOU WILL FIND SOME CORRECTED INFORMATION RELATIVE TO THE ORDINANCE AND THE AGENDA MEMO THAT SHOWS THE NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICT FULLY AND ONLY CONSIDERED CONSISTENT UNDER THE LOW INTENSITY COMMERCIAL DISTRICT AND REMOVED AND NO LONGER SPLIT BETWEEN LOW INTENSITY COMMERCIAL AND THE COMMERCIAL FUTURE LAND USE CATEGORY.

SO THAT'S THE ONLY CHANGE THAT HAS BEEN PROPOSED.

ADDITIONALLY, WHEN STAFF WAS REVIEWING THE PARAGRAPHS PRECEDING THE TABLE, THE SECOND PARAGRAPH OUTLINED WHAT COLORS SHOULD BE UTILIZED ON THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP FOR EACH OF THOSE LAND USE CATEGORIES.

THAT WAS NEVER DONE IN PRACTICE, SO WE ARE ASKING TO AMEND THOSE LISTED COLORS FOR EACH FUTURE LAND USE CATEGORY IN A TABULAR FORMAT, SO IT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE PRACTICE AND THE ONLINE FUTURE LAND USE MAP.

WITH THAT, I'LL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT THE COUNCIL OR COMMISSION MAY HAVE.

QUESTION. MR.

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CHAIRMAN. NO QUESTIONS, SIR.

ALL RIGHT. QUESTIONS FROM THE COUNCIL.

ERIC, I HAVE ONE QUESTION GRAPEVINE VINTAGE, AND I JUST CAN'T REMEMBER.

WE MOVED IT FROM.

MOVED FROM LOW INTENSITY TO COMMERCIAL.

THAT'S CORRECT. BUT WE HAVE GRAPEVINE VINTAGE NEAR SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL.

CORRECT. OR HOW MANY AREAS ARE GRAPEVINE VINTAGE? I BELIEVE WE HAVE FOUR.

THE INDIVIDUAL PROPERTIES WOULD INCLUDE, I BELIEVE, NASH FARMS, WHICH IS A CITY PROPERTY.

THERE'RE SEVERAL VINEYARDS, WINE TASTING ROOMS, DELANEY VINEYARDS IS BROUGHT TO MIND.

AND THEN THE CROSS TIMBERS AND CROSS TIMBERS.

YES. I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THAT ONE.

THAT'S NOT A. GRAPEVINE VINTAGE.

NO, NO, IT'S NOT OKAY.

I WAS JUST CONCERNED WITH THE CHANGE IN DENSITY BEING CLOSE TO SINGLE FAMILY.

I AGREE WITH PAUL.

I DON'T SEE WHY WE CAN'T LEAVE IT UNDER LOW INTENSITY COMMERCIAL.

I DO THINK TO THE EFFORTS OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, ONE THING WE MIGHT WANT TO TAKE A LOOK AT.

WE MIGHT LOOK AT HAVING A CATEGORY, WHETHER IT'S LAND USE PLAN OR WHETHER IT'S IN ZONING, WHERE WE HAVE WINE TASTING ROOMS, BECAUSE THE WINE TASTING ROOMS, AND I'M SURE SOME CITIES HAVE THIS ORDINANCE, UM, ON MAIN STREET, IT'S TOTALLY DIFFERENT.

DOESN'T EVEN REALLY FIT WITH GRAPEVINE VINTAGE, BUT IT'S THE ONLY CATEGORY THAT THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO BE IN BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT SELLING REGULAR ALCOHOL, AND THEY HAVE TO HAVE SOME SPECIAL KIND OF ZONING IN ORDER TO HAVE WINE.

SO, I THINK IT WOULD BE WORTHWHILE AT SOME POINT FOR THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION TO LOOK AT MAYBE ADDING A WINE TASTING.

UM. ZONING CATEGORY.

BUT I DO AGREE WITH PAUL IN THAT I THINK THAT GRAPEVINE VINTAGE SHOULD REMAIN IN LOW INTENSITY.

THAT'S MY PROBLEM I HAVE WITH THAT.

SOMEBODY COME IN AND WANT A TASTING ROOM, AND THEN YOU APPROVE THE ZONING, AND THEN THEY COME BACK, AND THEY WANT AND DO OTHER THINGS THAT ARE ONE.

I KNOW WE'VE HAD TO DEAL WITH THAT BEFORE.

I KNOW WITH THE ONES THAT HAVE TURNED INTO ALCOHOL, THAT WOULD BE THE REST OF DOING THAT.

AND I DON'T SEE THE NECESSITY OF IT MYSELF.

BUT THIS DOESN'T CHANGE THAT, BILL.

THIS DOESN'T CHANGE THAT.

I MEAN, IF YOU'RE NOT OKAY WITH THAT, I'M FINE WITH THAT.

WE CAN KEEP IT UNDER GRAPEVINE VINTAGE.

BUT I DON'T THINK IT SHOULD BE HIGH INTENSITY BECAUSE WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT WE GAIN BY JUST DOING A TASTING ROOM.

THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE ANYTHING, JUST A TASTING ROOM.

THEY CAN'T MAKE IT.

WELL, WE HAVE WE HAVE SEVERAL OF THEM ON MAIN STREET.

THEY HAVE MORE THAN JUST A TASTING ROOM.

IT'S A MISNOMER.

THEY'RE NOT A TASTING ROOM.

THEY HAVE RESTAURANTS AND FOOD AND EVERYTHING ELSE.

NONE OF THEM CAN SURVIVE JUST FOR TASTING.

WELL, THE WINE TASTING CATEGORY, IN TERMS OF WHAT THEY GET AT THE STATE OF TEXAS, THEY HAVE SOME FOOD AND THEY'RE PREDOMINANTLY WINE.

THEY CAN'T SELL BEER AND THEY CAN'T SELL ALCOHOL.

SO THAT'S A LITTLE I THINK THAT'S A WORTHY, WORTHWHILE DISCUSSION FOR US TO HAVE.

THAT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE'RE REALLY ENGAGING IN TONIGHT.

SO WHEN WE WERE USING THE VINTAGE DISTRICT, IT'S KIND OF A BUFFER TO SINGLE FAMILY.

THE PROTOTYPE WAS MORE JUST A TASTING ROOM AT THAT TIME.

AND THEY'VE THESE TASTING ROOMS HAVE EXPANDED MUCH BECOME MUCH MORE I AGREE INTENSE SINCE THEN, SINCE COVID REALLY.

THAT'S WHY I THINK WE'RE LOOKING AT IT.

BUT YEAH, I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND.

WELL, THE BIGGER THE ISSUE IS.

UNDER THE GRAPEVINE VINTAGE ZONING CATEGORY, THE ONLY ALLOWABLE USE IS A WINERY AS A PERMITTED USE, THE GRAPEVINE VINTAGE.

ORIGINALLY, WHEN WE APPROVED THOSE ZONINGS, WE DID IT ON DELANEY, WE DID IT ON LA BUENA VIDA AND WE DID IT AT CROSS TIMBERS.

AND I'M NOT EVEN GOING TO TALK ABOUT NASH FARM BECAUSE THAT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT SUBJECT.

SO, THOSE BIGGER WINERIES THAT HAVE THE LAND AROUND THEM ARE ALL NEAR RESIDENTIAL, WITH THE EXCEPTION MAYBE OF DELANEY'S.

SO, ALL I'M SAYING IS PUTTING THOSE UNDER A LAND USE AS HIGHER INTENSITY.

I'M NOT SURE AS THE DIRECTION WE SHOULD GO.

THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING.

THEY CAN STILL DO EVERYTHING YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT UNDER LOW INTENSITY.

THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING.

AND I THINK PAUL'S RIGHT.

YEAH, I THINK I UNDERSTAND THAT, YEAH.

I THINK THERE'S SOME CREDIBILITY TO THERE.

I JUST DIDN'T UNDERSTAND REALLY.

I GUESS WHAT YOU WERE THINKING ABOUT IS THE NEW WINE TASTING.

I WAS JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT ANOTHER WAY THAT THEY COULD GET APPROVED, BECAUSE WHEN WE ORIGINALLY DID THE GV, IT WAS FOR THE BIGGER PIECES OF LAND.

BUT IF WE WANT TO LEAVE IT AS GRAPEVINE VINTAGE SO THAT THE WINE TASTING ROOMS AND I AGREE WITH YOU, AFTER COVID THEY HAVE A LOT MORE FOOD.

WELL, THE TASTING ROOMS ARE A BUSINESS, JUST LIKE A RESTAURANT, AND THEY NEED TO BE IN A COMMERCIAL ZONING.

I THINK THEY DON'T NEED TO BE, BUT THEY'RE STILL IN COMMERCIAL.

THEY'RE STILL IN COMMERCIAL.

YEAH. SO ANYWAY, THAT'S JUST SOMETHING I THINK NEED TO BE A BUFFER ANYMORE BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT.

MR. CHAIRMAN, MY RECOLLECTION IS THAT THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION HAD CONSIDERABLE DISCUSSION ABOUT WHETHER WINERIES,

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WINERIES. OKAY SHOULD BE IN COMMERCIAL OR SHOULD BE IN LIGHT COMMERCIAL.

AND MY SENSE IS THAT THE COMMISSION WOULD FEEL THAT LIGHT COMMERCIAL WOULD PROBABLY BE ALL RIGHT.

IT DIDN'T HAVE TO BE SOLELY BY GOSH, IN COMMERCIAL PERIOD, THAT THERE WAS SOME CONSIDERATION FOR THE LIGHTER COMMERCIAL DISTRICT AS WELL.

IS MY MEMORY CORRECT? NO, I THINK THAT'S CORRECT.

YEAH. OKAY. I THINK WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE HERE.

ALL RIGHT.

THEY ARE A COMMERCIAL BUSINESS WITHOUT ANY DOUBT THE WAY THEY'RE OPERATING.

YES, YES. THAT'S IT OUGHT TO BE COMMERCIAL WITHOUT ANY QUESTIONING AS OPPOSED TO LIGHT COMMERCIAL.

IS THEIR LIGHT COMMERCIAL? YES. TALKING LIGHT COMMERCIAL.

I THINK WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE.

SO, IS THE COMMISSION GOING TO REVIEW THIS AGAIN IS PART OF YOUR RECOMMENDATION THIS EVENING? WE CERTAINLY CAN. ALL RIGHT.

IF YOU ALL WOULD PERHAPS LOOK AT THAT I THINK THAT MIGHT BE PRUDENT.

THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? MR. CHAIRMAN, YOU ALL HAVE ANYTHING FURTHER? NO, SIR. OKAY.

DO WE HAVE ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK? YES, SIR. ANY CORRESPONDENCE? NO, SIR. ALL RIGHT, MR. CHAIRMAN, I MADE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

MOVE TO CLOSE. SECOND.

AL0L IN FAVOR? COMMISSION CLOSED A MOTION FROM THE COUNCIL.

MOVE TO CLOSE. SECOND.

THANK YOU. ALL IN FAVOR? ALL OPPOSED. THE PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED.

AND THAT COMPLETES THE PLANNING ZONING COMMITTEE.

COMMISSION WILL RECONVENE SHORTLY.

MEETING ROOM TO OUR RIGHT.

IT'S A PUBLIC MEETING YOU'RE INVITED TO ATTEND.

THE COUNCIL WILL REMAIN IN SESSION HERE.

AND WE'LL BEGIN WITH CITIZEN COMMENTS.

[INAUDIBLE].

THIS IS THE 7-ELEVEN.

PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD MOTION TO APPROVE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT C 23-33.

[9. Conditional Use Permit CU23-33 (7-Eleven) – Consider the application and make a recommendation to City Council. ]

SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR.

OPPOSED. SOUNDS GREAT.

BUT CONSIDER ZONING CHANGE.

[10. Zoning Change Application Z23-09 (711 East Wall Street) – Consider the application and make a recommendation to City Council. ]

Z 23-09 7-ELEVEN EAST WALL.

I THINK IT'S PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD, TOO.

YES, EVEN MORE STRAIGHTFORWARD.

YEAH. AND I LIKE THE FACT THAT IT'S BESIDE THE RESIDENTIAL AND IT'S, I GET THAT WALL STREET RESIDENTIAL.

I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE ZONING CHANGE APPLICATION Z 23-09.

SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? OPPOSED. PLEASE SAY NO.

CONSIDER THE FINAL PLAT.

[11. Final Plat of Lot 1, Block 1, Martha’s Vineyard – Consider the application and make a recommendation to City Council. ]

I MOVE THAT THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION APPROVED THE STATEMENT OF FINDINGS AND THE FINAL PLAT OF LOT ONE, BLOCK ONE, MARTHA'S VINEYARD.

SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT.

CONSIDER AM 23-06.

[12. AM23-06 Multi-Tenant Pole Signs – Consider the application and make a recommendation to City Council. ]

THIS IS FOR THE MULTI-TENANT WHOLE SIGN.

JUST COMPROMISE. I THINK COMPROMISE BECAUSE IT'S SPECIFIC TO THE SEGMENT OF WEST SIDE HIGHWAY 114 FRONTAGE ON PEYTON RIDE EDITION.

I THINK THAT IS A GOOD IDEA TO AMEND THIS ORDINANCE.

AND I'M HAPPY TO.

AND I MOVE THAT THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION APPROVE COMPREHENSIVE ZONING ORDINANCE NUMBER 82-73, TO AMEND SECTION 60 SIGN STANDARDS RELATIVE TO ON PREMISE SIGNS.

WHOLE SIGN. CONDITIONAL USES.

SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? YEAH, I WAS GOING TO SAY THAT THEY HAVE TO DO WHATEVER TO GET PORTILLO'S IN THERE.

YEAH, RIGHT.

[13. MP23-01 Comprehensive Master Plan – Consider the application and make a recommendation to City Council.]

IT'S NOT THAT GREAT.

COMPREHENSIVE MASTER PLAN MP 23-01.

AND YOU HEARD THE COMMENTS IN REGARD TO THE FINISHED DISTRICT.

SO, LARRY, WHY DID HE.

WELL, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE INTENSITY AND THE COMMERCIAL DISCUSSION AND GO BACK WITH YOU WHILE WE DID IT WAS BECAUSE OF ISSUES WE HAD WITH THEM IN RESIDENTIAL AREAS. BUT SINCE WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON A SPEAKER ORDINANCE THAT TAKES CARE OF SOME OF THAT ISSUE, AS A MATTER OF FACT, IT TAKES CARE OF THE MAIN ISSUE.

THAT WAS THE PROBLEM OF BEING IN A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD OR BUFFERING FOR A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD.

SO, IF WE PURSUE THAT DIRECTION, I DON'T KNOW THAT IT REALLY MATTERS THAT IT'S NOT.

CAN'T SPEAK A MOTION.

OH, SO THAT'S WHAT I WAS GOING TO ASK.

WELL, THE LOW INTENSITY VERSUS THE COMMERCIAL, I MEAN, IS THE LOW INTENSITY, MORE RESTRICTIVE.

BUT I'M JUST SAYING.

BUT I'M TRYING TO FIND WHAT THE DIFFERENCE IS.

WELL, IT CAN BE A BUFFER IN A NEIGHBORHOOD AREA, OR IT CAN ABUT RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT AND BECOME A BUFFER

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LIKE NEIGHBORHOOD, COMMERCIAL AND THOSE OTHER AREAS THAT IN THAT LOCALITY, COMMERCIAL.

AND THE REASON WE TOOK IT OUT OR TALKED ABOUT TAKING IT OUT FOR MONTHS NOW, ACTUALLY, IS BECAUSE THE BUENA VISTA, WHERE HE HAD THE PROBLEM WITH THE NOISE AND THE SPEAKERS AND THE STUFF LIKE THAT, BUT IF WE END UP WITH THE SPEAKER ORDINANCE AND THEN WE GET THAT RESOLVED, THAT SHOULD TAKE CARE OF ANY ISSUES RELATED TO THAT SITUATION.

I THINK YOU AND COUNCILMAN SCHLECHTER THINKING OF THE SAME THING, AND SHE DID THE WAYS I THINK HE'S TRYING TO KEEP IT OUT OF.

RESIDENTIAL AREAS.

AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SAYING ALSO.

RIGHT. AND BUT THE OTHER THE OTHER ISSUE BESIDES BEING THE NOISE IS TRAFFIC IF IT BECOMES A VENUE FOR OTHER ACTIVITIES.

WEDDINGS AND ALL OTHER THINGS LIKE THAT.

IT BECOMES A TRAFFIC ISSUE IF IT'S EMBEDDED IN A NEIGHBORHOOD.

SO, THE KEY TO THAT IS GOING TO BE IS WHEN ZONING COMES UP, YOU DON'T WANT TO EMBED THOSE IN NEIGHBORHOODS, YOU WANT IT TO BE ON THE PERIPHERAL AREA OF THAT IF YOU'RE GOING TO GET CLOSE TO IT.

BUT THAT'S SOMETHING WE'LL HAVE TO DO AS A PNC AND COUNCIL.

CASE BY CASE BASIS, A CASE-BY-CASE BASIS.

SO, THE ONES THAT ARE ALREADY IN PLACE, THAT ARE ALREADY IN THE NEXT NEIGHBORHOODS, THOSE ARE STILL GOING TO STAY THERE AND OPERATE THERE.

WE JUST DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE STILL GOING TO STAY THERE ANYWAY PLOPPED IN NEXT DOOR.

THAT'S WHY REZONING IT BACK TO COMMERCIAL MIGHT BE BETTER BECAUSE IT WILL NEVER GET PLOPPED.

YES, I'M SAYING THEY WILL WANT TO MOVE IT BACK INTO LOW DENSITY POTENTIALLY.

SO, IF WE LEAVE IT IN COMMERCIAL, THOUGH, FUTURE POTENTIAL WINE TASTINGS WOULD BE ABLE TO GO INTO A LOW INTENSITY COMMERCIAL AREA COULD, BUT IT WOULD BE PROBABLY IN CONFLICT WITH THE MASTER PLAN. AM I THINKING ABOUT THAT RIGHT? I THINK LOW INTENSITY CAN BE IN THE LIKE.

SEE, THAT'S WHY WE DON'T WANT TO PUT IT THERE.

PAUL, WHAT PAUL WAS SAYING MOVING TO LOW INTENSITY ONLY BECAUSE THERE ARE ALREADY SOME IN THOSE LOCATIONS ALREADY, BUT NOT WITH PUT FUTURE ONES NEXT TO IT.

WELL, IF YOU READ THE DEFINITION OF THE VINTAGE DISTRICT, IT SPECIFICALLY SAYS LOW INTENSITY COMMERCIAL AREAS FOR THAT SPECIFIC ZONING.

SO THAT COULD BE WHAT HE'S LOOKING AT.

YEAH. AND BUT ALSO YOU DON'T YOU DON'T WANT A DELANEY FACILITY IN A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD.

RIGHT, RIGHT. SO THE SIZE OF THE ISSUES, YOU KNOW, MORE THAN ANYTHING.

BUT WE COULD ALWAYS ADDRESS THAT BY THE ZONING ORDINANCE ITSELF IN RESPECT OF THAT.

BUT I'M NOT.

I DON'T HAVE ANY BIG ISSUE WITH IT EITHER WAY, TO BE HONEST.

UH, OTHER THAN WE DON'T WANT TO ALLOW IT TO BECOME SOMETHING LIKE WE HAD THERE WHERE WE HAD THE NOISE AND TRAFFIC BOTH, AND IT WAS EMBEDDED IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

IT WASN'T ON THE OUTSIDE AREA EITHER, WHICH MADE IT EVEN WORSE TO BEGIN.

IF YOU LOOK AT WHERE CROSS TIMBERS IS, IT'S NOT REALLY IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

IT'S ACTUALLY ON A MAJOR STREET KIND OF THING.

IT DOES BACK UP THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT I DON'T THINK THEY'VE EVER HAD ANY REAL COMPLAINTS THERE FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE.

DELANEY'S CLOSE TO RESIDENTS, BUT IT'S A LONG WAY COMPARED RIGHT NOW.

CHICKEN AND PICKLE IS NEXT DOOR.

SO I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S ANY AND WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THE FACT THAT NASH FARM IS ZONED VINTAGE.

IT NEEDS TO BE ZONED GOVERNMENTAL USE.

IT SHOULD BE A VINTAGE ZONING ANYWAY.

SO THAT'S SOMETHING ELSE WE CAN DO.

SO ANYTHING NEW, THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME TO US TO CHANGE THE ZONING TO GRAPEVINE IF THEY WANTED A NEW ZONING.

GRAPEVINE. NEW GRAPEVINE VINTAGE.

YEAH. YEAH.

BUT THE QUESTION IS, DO YOU WANT TO ALLOW IT TO GO INTO THE LOW INTENSITY COMMERCIAL YOU WANT TO ALLOWABLE IN BOTH OF THEM OR NOT? I THINK THE ORIGINAL THOUGHT WAS TO KEEP IT AWAY FROM THE NEIGHBORHOODS IN THE FUTURE.

SO THAT WAS THE DISCUSSION, RIGHT? AND I THINK WE STICK TO OUR GUNS.

I THINK PAUL'S THINKING IF YOU PUT IT IN LOW INTENSITY, IT WILL HAVE TO BE LOW INTENSITY, RIGHT? WHICH ONCE YOU START HAVING EVENTS THEN YEAH, THAT'S THAT'S THE ISSUE.

IT DEPENDS ON IT'S ALL IT'S THE SIDE THINGS THAT THEY DO THAT CAUSES THE ISSUE.

YOUR CALL. I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT.

IT'S UP TO ME.

YEAH. UNTIL IT COMES NEXT TO YOUR HOUSE, IT'S ALREADY NEXT TO MY HOUSE.

LET'S GET TO CHANGE OVER TO RESIDENTIAL RIGHT NOW.

ESPECIALLY MY HOUSE. I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT ABOUT THE SPEAKER.

THE SPEAKER? WELL, I'M HOPING THAT WOULD BE THE CASE, BUT THAT DOESN'T AFFECT THE TRAFFIC, THOUGH.

WELL, WE CAN STILL CHANGE EVEN IF IT GETS SET UP AS LOW INTENSITY AND THEY TRY TO PUT ONE EXTRA NEIGHBORHOOD.

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WE COULD STILL SAY THAT'S WHAT I MEAN.

WE'VE GOT YEAH, WE'VE GOT DEPENDING ON WHAT YOU'RE TRYING THEY'RE GOING TO MAKE THEIR JUDGMENT ON THE SITE, PLAN EVERYTHING.

SO SURE. ADDING MOTION TO MAKE THAT CHANGE IF YOU WANT TO MAKE A CHANGE.

WE APPROVED THE WHOLE THING.

OR YOU CAN MAKE THE MOTION FOR BOTH.

UH, WELL, I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE.

UH, THE MP 2301, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

THE AMENDMENT OF MOVING THE GRAPEVINE VINTAGE TO THE LOW INTENSITY COMMERCIAL SECOND.

MOTION SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? ALL OPPOSED. UNOPPOSED.

SUPPORTED. SEVEN ZERO.

[14. Consider the minutes of the November 21, 2023 Regular Planning and Zoning Commission meeting, the November 27, 2023 Joint City Council and Planning and Zoning Commission Workshop, and the December 6, 2023 Workshop. ]

CONSIDER THE MINUTES OF NOVEMBER 21ST.

I ABSTAIN. THANK YOU.

ANYBODY? YOU MISS THE FUN.

SORRY. I GUESS.

MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THEM ALL IN HERE.

SECOND. MOTION.

AND SECOND TO APPROVE THE NOVEMBER 20TH ONE MINUTES.

ALL IN FAVOR? ABSTAIN.

TWO ABSTENTIONS. FIVE, ZERO AND TWO.

NOW CONSIDER THE NOVEMBER 27TH JOINT MEETING OF THE COUNCIL.

MOVE TO APPROVE MINUTES FROM.

1127 MEETING WITH GENERAL COUNSEL SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR? OPPOSED.

SEVEN ZERO. CONSIDER THE MINUTES FROM THE DECEMBER 6TH WORKSHOP.

I MOVE TO APPROVE THE MINUTES OF DECEMBER 6TH WORKSHOP.

SECOND. I WOULD SECOND.

NO WAY. A MOTION SECOND TO ADJOURN.

ALL IN FAVOR? WE'RE ADJOURNED.

HAVE A GOOD CHRISTMAS. THANK YOU.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.