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>> MEETING TO ORDER [LAUGHTER] AND I WANT TO THANK
[1. Call to Order]
PAUL SLECHTA OUR CITY COUNCIL LIAISON FOR JOINING US AND SAME WITH MATTHEW BOYLE, OUR CITY ATTORNEY, AND MONICA HOTELLING IS OUR P&Z LIAISON AND THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE, AS ALWAYS.COMMISSIONERS, WE'LL GET STARTED HERE AND BEFORE WE GET STARTED, I'LL READ THE FINE PRINT ON CITIZEN COMMENTS AND ANY PERSON WHO IS NOT SCHEDULED ON THE AGENDA MAY ADDRESS THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION UNDER CITIZEN COMMENTS FOR UP TO THREE MINUTES BY COMPLETING A CITIZEN APPEARANCE REQUESTS FORM IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT.
THE COMMISSION IS RESTRICTED IN DISCUSSING OR TAKING ACTION DURING CITIZEN COMMENTS AND IF YOU'RE HERE TO SPEAK UNDER CITIZEN COMMENTS, PLEASE COME FORWARD TO REGISTER NOW WITH OUR SECRETARY.
SHE'LL CALL YOU FORWARD TO SPEAK IN ORDER YOU HAVE REGISTERED.
MISS KAYCE, DO WE HAVE ANY ALREADY REGISTERED?
>> NO, THAT TAKES US DOWN TO OUR WORK SESSION,
[3. Work Session]
ITEM NUMBER 3 ON OUR AGENDA AND THAT'S THE APPROVED CAS AND MR. KLEMPIN RUN THROUGH THOSE FOR US.>> WE ACTUALLY HAVE MORE, BUT THIS IS ALL THAT WAS READY BY THE TIME THIS PACKET WENT OUT.
THERE'S PROBABLY SIX MORE THAN THIS.
FIRST ONE IS CA 23-66 WERE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 411 SOUTH MAIN STREET, AND THIS WAS FOR A SANDWICH CHALKBOARD FOR THE WORD GAZE UNIQUE GOODS.
THE NEXT ONE IS CA 23-68, OR PROPERTY LOCATED AT 306 AUSTIN STREET, AND THIS WAS REVISIONS TO PREVIOUSLY APPROVED GARAGE, ALLOWING A CHANGE TO THE LOCATION OF THE GARAGE DOOR ON THE PROPERTY AND THIS HAD TO DO WITH ZONING SETBACK REQUIREMENTS, SO THAT THAT HAD BEEN CHANGED FROM ITS ORIGINAL HBC APPROVED PLAN.
THE NEXT ONE IS CA 23-70 FOR PROPERTY AT 808 EAST TEXAS STREET AND THIS WAS JUST TO PUT ON A NEW ROOF ON A HOUSE THAT IS LOCATED IN THE D. E BOX HISTORIC DISTRICT, IT'S MARK POWER'S HOUSE.
THEN THE LAST ONE IS CA 23-73 FOR PROPERTY LOCATED AT 121 EAST COLLEGE STREET, AND THIS WAS TO REPLACE TWO WOOD WINDOWS IN A DARE FAST HOUSE.
SOME OF YOU KNOW WHAT THEY ARE.
THAT'S A HOUSE THAT WAS BUILT IN THE 1998, BUT IT HAD ROTTEN WOODEN WINDOWS.
>> DAVID, I DON'T REMEMBER EVER HAVING A GARAGE DOOR CHANGED.
>> WELL, ACTUALLY THEY DID, BECAUSE OF WHEN WE APPROVED IT, THE GARAGE WAS SITTING FURTHER BACK ON THE SITE, BUT BECAUSE OF SOMETHING THAT WAS OVERLOOKED IN THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT, IT ACTUALLY NEEDED TO BE MOVED FORWARD, SO IT'S BEEN MOVED FORWARD.
THEN WHEN IT WAS MOVED FORWARD, WE HAVE A REQUIREMENT IN THE PRESERVATION ORDINANCE THAT THE GARAGE DOORS HAVE TO BE IN THE BACK 50% OF THE LOT, SO THE GARAGE DOORS WOULD NO LONGER BE IN THE BACK 50% OF THE LOT.
THE FRONT-FACING DOORS, SO TO REMEDY THAT, [NOISE] WE DISCUSSED IT WITH THE OWNERS AND THEY WERE WILLING JUST INSTEAD OF HAVING THE DOORS ON THE FRONT, IT'S NOW GOING TO BE ON THE SIDE OUT TOWARD, TO THE SO-CALLED ALLEY.
>> FOR NOW, THE TWO WINDOWS THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN THERE ARE GOING TO BE ON THE FRONT, SO ACTUALLY IT'S A NICE STREET VIEW.
ESPECIALLY SINCE THEY MOVE FORWARD BECAUSE IT WAS GOING TO BE IN THE BACK 50% OF THE LOT.
IT'S SOMETHING THAT WAS OVERLOOKED IN THE PLANNING AND ZONING DEPARTMENT.
>> SO THEY ACCESS THE GARAGE THROUGH THE ALLEY?
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>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON STAFF-APPROVED CAS? TAKES US TO, ITEM 4 ON OUR AGENDA, THE PUBLIC HEARING,
[4.A. Commission to conduct a public hearing relative to an application for a Historic Landmark Overlay #HL23-02 for property located at 317 South Church Street, legally described as Block 1, Lot 1, House of Colors Addition, City of Grapevine and take any necessary action.]
AND A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC MAY ADDRESS THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION REGARDING AN ITEM ON THE AGENDA DURING THE COMMISSION'S CONSIDERATION UPON THE ITEM BEING RECOGNIZED BY THE CHAIRMAN OR BY CONSENT OF THE COMMISSION.UPON BEING RECOGNIZED PLEASE COME FORWARD TO THE PODIUM MICROPHONE, AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS BEFORE SPEAKING, AND AGAIN, IN ACCORDANCE WITH TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT, THE COMMISSION IS RESTRICTED IN DISCUSSING OR TAKING ACTION DURING COMMENTS.
I NOW DECLARE THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN AND WE'LL START WITH HL23-02 317 SOUTH CHURCH STREET.
>> THERE'S ACTUALLY TWO CASES ON YOUR AGENDA TONIGHT THAT PERTAIN TO THIS PROPERTY.
[NOISE] BUT WE HAVE TO HANDLE THEM SEPARATELY BECAUSE ONE IS A HISTORIC LANDMARK APPLICATION AND ONE IS A CA FOR MODIFICATIONS TO THE BUILDINGS THAT ARE THERE ON SITE AND CHANGES AND ALSO A DEMOLITION OF EXISTING HOUSE, SO WE'LL GET TO THAT SEPARATELY.
BUT A CONDITION, IF YOU WANT TO DEMOLISH SOMETHING, IN OUR HISTORIC TOWNSHIP, YOU WILL NEED TO MAKE AN APPLICATION FOR LANDMARK DESIGNATION.
THAT'S WHAT STARTED THIS, BUT THIS PROPERTY DOES HAVE SOME VERY STRONG SIGNIFICANCE TO IT.
THE APPLICATION, FIRST OF ALL, WAS SUBMITTED ON AUGUST 22ND BY THE OWNER AND REPRESENTATIVE RICHARD BEANIE OF THE 317 CHURCH STREET, LLC TO LANDMARK THIS PROPERTY.
THE SITE WAS THE LOCATION OF THE AMBROSE AND SUSAN FOSTER CABIN AND ON THIS PROPERTY, THERE ARE SOME LARGE BROWN-LOOKING SANDSTONES THAT HAVE BEEN VERIFIED BY JOHN NASH, WHO WAS THE SON OF THOMAS AND ELIZABETH NASH.
THEY HADN'T ESTABLISHED THE NASH FARM.
HE CONFIRMED THAT THESE WERE THE OLD STONES THAT WENT WITH THE CABIN THAT WAS FOR THE AMBROSE FOSTER AND SUSAN FOSTER AND THAT'S ONE OF THE EARLIEST SURVEYS IN GRAPEVINE AFTER THE AREA WAS OPENED UP FOR DEVELOPMENT THROUGH THE PEACE TREATY WITH INDIANS.
THIS WAS ONE OF THE INITIAL SURVEYS, SO IT'S REALLY IS A VERY SIGNIFICANT SITE.
IF YOU SEE WHAT I HAVE ON THE SCREEN RIGHT NOW, WHERE IT'S MARKED IN RED, THAT'S THE SITE.
THIS PHOTO IS FROM 1948, AND YOU SEE IN THE MIDDLE OF IT A HOUSE WITH A PURE METAL ROOF.
WELL, THAT ACTUALLY IS THIS HOUSE THAT'S STILL STANDING THERE.
BUT THE HOUSE IN OVER TIME HAS BEEN HEAVILY ALTERED.
THAT HOUSE THERE WAS BUILT IN 1917, SO THIS IS THE 1917 FOSTER JORDAN FERRIS HOUSE.
THE JORDANS ACTUALLY BUILT IT, BUT THIS WOULD BE OUR NAME FOR THE PROPERTY, THE 1917, PASTOR JORDAN FERRIS HOUSE.
[NOISE] THE FOSTER HAS RECEIVED A LAND GRANT AS PART OF THE ORIGINAL SURVEY IN GRAPEVINE DURING THE 1840S.
THIS HOUSE WAS BUILT IN 1917 IN THE FOLK VICTORIAN STYLE WITH A PURE METAL ROOF FOR DW AND MARY SALMONS JORDAN AS THEIR FAMILY HOME, AND THEY OWNED AND OCCUPIED IT FOR MANY YEARS.
IT WAS A 1,305-SQUARE-FOOT, ONE-STORY HOUSE.
IT WAS HEAVILY ALTERED IN THE 1990S TO LOOK LIKE THIS, SO YOU WOULD NEVER KNOW THAT WAS THE SAME HOUSE.
IN YOUR PACKET, I'VE PUT THE SANBORN FIRE INSURANCE MAPS FROM THE '30S AND WHAT HAPPENED WAS, I LEARNED ALL THIS LATER AFTER WE STARTED WORKING WITH THE BEANIES.
AS WE DUG INTO THIS PROPERTY, WE FOUND ALL THIS OUT.
THE SANBORN MAP SHOWS US THAT PORTS THAT RAN ACROSS WERE ENCLOSED, SO THAT'S THERE.
I THOUGHT WHEN WE FIRST STARTED THAT THIS WAS NOT THE SAME HOUSE, BUT IT ACTUALLY IS THE SAME HOUSE.
THAT'S ENCLOSED AND THEN ON THE BACK THERE WAS A BACK PORCH THAT WAS ENCLOSED.
THEN THE HOUSE WAS RECITED AND IT HAS ALL NEW WINDOWS,
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WINDOWS NOT IN THE SAME PLACES.THEN THE PYRAMIDAL ROOF WAS REMOVED OR CHANGED, ALTERED SIGNIFICANTLY AND THIS GABLE ROOF PUT ON.
THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE SOMETHING LOOKING LIKE THIS, AND THEN HERE ARE A FEW CURRENT PHOTOS OF HOW IT LOOKS.
AT THIS POINT, IT'S REALLY THE FOUNDATION IS SITTING UP ON BLOCKS, SO THIS ISN'T A STRUCTURE THAT REALLY LENDS ITSELF TO BEING RESTORED BACK TO HOW IT WAS.
WE'LL GET TO THAT PART IN THE NEXT CASE.
BUT THIS FLAT SIGNING WAS PUT ON THERE IN TRIM.
HERE'S THE OTHER ELEVATIONS OF THE BUILDING.
IN THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY IS A ONE-CAR DETACHED GARAGE THAT DATES FROM THE 1940S.
IT HAS A GABLED ROOF, EXPOSED RAPTOR TAILS, AND EXTERIOR THAT HAS 105 WOOD SIDING.
THIS PROPERTY AND THE STRUCTURES ARE ASSOCIATED WITH NUMEROUS PROMINENT GRAPEVINE FAMILIES.
THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED IN THE ORIGINAL TOWNSHIP IN THE CITY OF GRAPEVINE.
THIS HOUSE AND THE GARAGE ARE CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES TO THE HISTORY OF THE GRAPEVINE HISTORIC TOWNSHIP DISTRICT.
STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THIS HISTORIC LANDMARK OVERLAY TO RECORD THE HISTORY OF THE PROPERTY AND TO ALLOW THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION TO HAVE INPUT IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE HOUSE AND PROPERTY WHICH IS LOCATED IN THE HISTORIC TOWNSHIP BOUNDARY.
THERE'S A SET OF PROPOSED DESIGN GUIDELINES FOR THE PROPERTY ATTACHED WITH YOUR CASE.
THIS SURVEY MAP SHOWS THE CURRENT LOCATION OF THE HOUSE AND THE LITTLE GARAGE STRUCTURE.
>> THE STONES ON THIS MAP, AND IF THEY'RE NOT, CAN POINT THEM OUT TO US.
>> ACTUALLY, BEHIND THE HOUSE, THERE'S LIKE A CRACKER LAY LOOKING LINES DRAWN ON THERE.
THAT'S THE LOCATION WHERE THE STONES ARE, AND THERE'S SCATTERED AROUND BACK THERE.
I WENT OVER THERE WITH SALLY ANDREWS AND WE TOOK THE WRITTEN RECORD WE HAVE ABOUT IT.
WE'RE NOT TOTALLY SURE ON WHICH STONES THAT ARE THERE, BUT THEY ARE STONES FROM THAT.
WE THINK THE STONE THAT LOOKS THE OLDEST IS TOWARD WHERE RIGHT NOW WHERE THE GARAGE IS.
BUT WE COULD EXPLORE THAT WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER ONCE WE GET FURTHER ALONG WITH THIS PROCESS.
>> THEY'D BE WELCOMED TO DO SOMETHING ON THE PROPERTY, BUT WE HOPE THAT THEY'RE KEPT ON THE PROPERTY.
THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING IMPORTANT TO DO.
>> THAT'S PRETTY MUCH SHADE ON THIS.
>> WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO ADD ANYTHING? QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION.
IF YOU HAD TO ESTABLISH A PERIOD OF SIGNIFICANCE FOR THIS PROPERTY, WHAT WOULD THAT BE?
>> I WOULD JUST SAY FROM THAT PERIOD, WE'RE PUTTING A NAME ON THIS AS PASTOR JORDAN FERRIS' HOUSE BECAUSE WHILE THE PASTOR HOUSE ISN'T THERE, THAT STARTED THAT AS A RESIDENTIAL SITE.
[OVERLAPPING] THE FIRST WOULD BE, I BELIEVE, FROM 1860 'S OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
>> THE FOSTERS' LIVED THERE WHEN THE ORIGINAL LAND GRANTS 1840, YOU SAID.
THEN THE HOUSES CONSTRUCTED WITH THE PYRAMID ROOF IN 1917.
>> 1917 BY A DIFFERENT FAMILY BY THE NEXT OWNER, THE JORDANS, WHO BOUGHT IT FROM THE FOSTER'S? YES, SIR.
>> THEN WE LOST THE TRUE SENSE OF THE HOUSE.
>> THE 90S. NOT AN EASY ANSWER.
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>> THE OVERLAY ESSENTIALLY PROTECTS THE PROPERTY AND IT'S RESIDENTIAL CHARACTER, BECAUSE IT'S NOT OBVIOUSLY PROTECTING THE HOUSE?
>> RIGHT. THE DESIGN GUIDELINES ARE IN THERE.
NOW, SO THIS STEP STILL HAS TO BE RATIFIED BY COUNCIL.
BUT YOU CAN READ WHAT WE HAVE IN OUR STANDARD DESIGN GUIDELINES.
YOU'RE BASICALLY PROTECTING THE PROPERTY AND ALLOWING CHANGES TO COME THROUGH THE COMMISSION.
OUR NEXT CASE HAS A CHANGE, AND STAFF WORKED WITH THE OWNER TO DO THINGS WITH THE PROPERTY THAT ARE IN KEEPING WITH THESE GUIDELINES.
THE DESIGN THAT IT MEETS THEIR NEEDS OR HOW THEY WOULD LIKE TO USE THE PROPERTY DOES FOLLOW OUR GUIDELINES.
>> IS THERE ANYTHING OF THE ORIGINAL 1917 HOUSE IT THE CURRENT ONE?
>> IT WOULD JUST BE THE WALLS INSIDE.
I'VE BEEN IN IT ON SEVERAL OCCASIONS OVER THE LAST PROBABLY 15 YEARS.
YOU GO IN THERE, THERE'S ONE LITTLE ARCHWAY [LAUGHTER] THAT'S IN THERE, BUT IT'S HARD TO UNDERSTAND WHAT PART THAT WAS.
IT WAS PROBABLY JUST BETWEEN ROOMS. BUT THE FLOOR PLAN'S TOTALLY DIFFERENT.
>> I THINK IF THEY COULDN'T FIND IT, ITS NOT [OVERLAPPING]
>> IT'S NOT I COULDN'T FIND IT.
>> [LAUGHTER] IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.
>> WE'RE NOT GOING TO FIND IT.
>> BUT IF YOU GO IN THERE AND YOU PEEL OFF ALL THE OVERLAY, WHATEVER, YOU'RE GOING TO FIND PARTS OF WALLS.
YOU'RE NOT GOING TO REALLY FIND A WHOLE WALL.
YOU MIGHT FIND SOME, BUT WE'VE GONE INTO NUMBER OF HOUSES NOW, AND THIS IS ONE THAT'S BEEN SO HEAVILY ALTERED.
THERE ISN'T SOMETHING TO SAY LIKE, HERE'S 2/3 OF THE HOUSE, LET'S JUST PUT IT BACK.
>> IT'S DECIDING WHAT'S CHANGED, THE WINDOWS WERE CHANGED, THE ROOF WAS CHANGED.
[OVERLAPPING] WOULD ANY OF THAT COMPLY WITH TODAY'S STANDARDS?
>> ALL OF THAT WAS DONE BEFORE THE PRESERVATION ORDINANCE WAS ESTABLISHED.
KEY, THE TOWNSHIP BOUNDARY WAS PUT IN IN 1999 AND IN 2000, SO ALL BEFORE IT WAS A TOWNSHIP.
THERE WAS NO REVIEW OF THIS AS THERE WOULD BE NOW.
>> HEARING YOU GUYS QUIET, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
>> THANK YOU MAYOR, JIM. ALL IN FAVOR, RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
>> I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE PROPOSED HISTORIC LANDMARKS SUBDIVISION OVERLAY HL-2302.
ALL IN FAVOR, RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
THANK YOU, DAVID. TAKES US TO ITEM NUMBER B,
[4.B. Commission to conduct a public hearing relative to an application for a Certificate of Appropriateness #CA23-50 for property located at 317 South Church Street, legally described as Block 1, Lot 1, House of Colors Addition, City of Grapevine and take any necessary action.]
WHICH IS THE CA-2350 FOR THE SAME PROPERTY, 317 SOUTH CHURCH STREET..>> THIS CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS WAS SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT, RICHARD BEANIE OF THE 317 CHURCH STREET, LLC FOR DEMOLITION OF THE EXISTING HOUSE, RELOCATION OF THE ORIGINAL ONE CAR DETACHED GARAGE TO FURTHER BACK IN THE SITE SO IT COULD BE USED AS A PART OF THEIR PLAN, AND CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW 3,186 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING THAT REPLICATES THE STREET VIEW OF THE CURRENT HOUSE.
THIS IS QUITE IMPORTANT BECAUSE WHEN YOU DRIVE DOWN THE STREET, YOU'LL SEE THE BUILDING, NOTHING HAS REALLY BEEN CHANGED ON THE SIDES.
THIS IS PART OF OUR PRESERVATION PLAN SUGGESTION.
RETAIN THAT BECAUSE THERE ARE OTHER HOUSES ALONG THAT SIDE OF THE STREET, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE FAR APART, THAT MAINTAINS THAT STREET SETBACK LINE AND RESEMBLES THE BUILDING THAT PEOPLE KNOW FOR MANY YEARS THAT'S BEEN THERE.
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STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THIS WITH THE CONDITION THAT THE HISTORIC OVERLAY HL23-02 FOR THE PROPERTY THAT WE JUST LOOKED AT AND REVIEWED WOULD BE APPROVED.ALSO WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS THAT ALL THE FINAL SELECTION ON THE EXTERIOR MATERIALS, THE WINDOWS, THE DOORS, HARDWARE, LIGHT FIXTURES, PAINT COLORS BE APPROVED UNDER A SEPARATE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.
THAT WOULD BE FOR THE FINAL ONES, THERE ARE SOME YOU'LL SEE IN HERE ALREADY.
THEN THE APPLICANT WINS APPROVAL OF A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT WITH A SITE PLAN APPROVED BY THE CITY COUNCIL, AND THEN A BUILDING PERMIT IS OBTAINED FROM THE BUILDING SERVICES DEPARTMENT.
BASICALLY, WE'RE LOOKING AT, IS THIS PLAN AND USE OF THE PROPERTY APPROPRIATE WITH OUR PRESERVATION STANDARDS? AGAIN, THE HOUSE WAS CONSTRUCTED IN 1917 FOR THE DW IN MARY SALMONS JORDAN FAMILY.
IT'S LOCATED IN THE CITY OF GRAPEVINE, AND THE HOUSE AND THE GARAGE ARE BOTH CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES TO THE HISTORIC TOWNSHIP DISTRICT.
ALL THE OTHER THINGS I HAD ALREADY JUST SAID IN THE PREVIOUS PRESENTATION ABOUT THE EXISTING HOUSE, WE'LL JUST CONTINUE WITH THAT.
THE PLANS FOR THE BUILDING IN THE RELOCATION OF THE ONE CAR GARAGE WERE DEVELOPED BY X SUB-STUDIO JOSH ARCHER, FOLLOWING DESIGN AND GUIDELINES THAT WERE ESTABLISHED FOR THE PROPERTY.
THE OWNERS ARE REQUESTING DEMOLITION OF THE HOUSE AND CONSTRUCTION OF THE NEW BUILDING TO SERVE THE HOUSE OF SHINE AS OFFICE AND EXHIBIT SPACE.
THE EXISTING GARAGE WOULD BE LOCATED TO THE BACK AND SERVE AS A PROGRAM SPACE FOR THE HOUSE OF SHINE.
IT WOULD BE LIKE ANOTHER EXHIBIT SPACE OR SOMETHING THAT THEY WANT TO DO WITH IT BACK THERE, BUT IT WOULD RETAIN THE MEMORY OF THAT BUILDING ON THE SITE.
PRESERVATION STAFF RECOMMEND THE LANDMARK DESIGNATION TO ALLOW THE KEEPING OF THAT GARAGE WITH ITS DETAILS AND ITS DESIGN.
THE NEW BUILDING OF 3,186 SQUARE FEET IS WITHIN THE 3,400 SQUARE FOOT MAXIMUM ALLOWED IN OUR PRESERVATION ORDINANCE.
ALSO, THE LOT SIZE IS 19,265 SQUARE FEET, AND THE BUILDING COVERAGE IS 22%, WHICH IS LESS THAN THE MAXIMUM ALLOWED COVERAGE OF 40%.
I'M GOING TO GO THROUGH THE PLANS HERE A BIT.
HERE'S THE EXISTING SITE SHOWING THE LOCATION OF THE HOUSE AND THE GARAGE.
YOU CAN BARELY SEE THE HOUSE BECAUSE THE TREE COVERS IT UP, BUT THESE ARE LINED UP WITH THE STREET NEW DRAWING THAT YOU SEE AT THE TOP.
THE KEY THING IS YOU CAN SEE THE TINY LITTLE STORAGE UNIT THAT'S OVER THERE IN FABIAN'S PROPERTY NEXT DOOR, THAT LITTLE STRANGE LOOKING THING THAT'S THERE.
BUT THEN YOU HAVE THE BUILDING WHERE YOU SEE THE APPEARANCE OF THE ORIGINAL HOUSE, AND IT IS AS THOUGH IT HAS A SIDE PORCH ADDED TO IT, AND THEN A LARGER REAR ADDITION IN THE BACK.
>> WHEN YOU SAY ORIGINAL HOUSE, WHAT DO YOU MEAN?
>> THE VIEW OF THE HOUSE AS YOU SEE IT TODAY IS RETAINED ON THE SIDE.
>> YOU'RE TEARING DOWN TO GET BACK TO TODAY AND NOT TEARING DOWN AND GET BACK TO 1918?
>> YES. CORRECT. THAT'S NOT GOING ALL THE WAY BACK TO 1917.
>> IS THERE ANY THOUGHT IN REGARD TO THAT?
>> WELL, THE AWARENESS OF THIS BEING THAT HOUSE CAME FAR LATER IN THIS PROCESS.
THIS IS ALREADY VERY FAR DOWN THE ROAD.
BUT AS I MENTIONED, ONE MARK COULD HAVE TAKEN THAT TACT,
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BUT AT THIS POINT, IT'S IMPORTANT TO KEEP WHAT IS THERE TODAY THAT PEOPLE ARE USED TO SEEING FOR THE STREET VIEW IS AN IMPORTANT ASPECT BECAUSE OF THE SETBACKS AND THE APPEARANCE THAT YOU HAVE THERE TODAY.THAT'S WHAT WENT INTO THESE PLANS. I'M ANSWERING YOUR QUESTION.
>> I'M SORRY TO CUT YOU OFF TRACK.
>> I'M SAYING PUZZLE WORKS, [LAUGHTER] BUT I'M ANSWERING YOUR QUESTION.
THEN WE GO FURTHER ALONG HERE.
THIS IS UPDATED PLAN, A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN THE ONE IN YOUR PACKET, IT HAS QUITE A BIT MORE INFORMATION, IT HAS SOME MORE RESOLUTION TO THE SILO, WHICH IS A SHORTER STRUCTURE I UNDERSTAND, I SPOKE WITH JOSH ARCHER EARLIER, THAN WHAT YOU SAW ORIGINALLY IN YOUR PACKET.
BUT YOU CAN SEE THE BASIC SAME IDEA IS PRESENT.
THIS IS A SHEET THAT WE WANT IN OUR PACKET BECAUSE THIS WAS WHAT WILL BE GOING FORWARD TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING AS THIS TRAVELS IN THAT PROCESS, SO IT WILL BE IN THIS PACKET.
THIS IS THE FLOOR PLAN OF THE BUILDING.
NOW YOU HAVE A SIDE ENTRY DOOR MUCH AS YOU DO NOW, EXCEPT IT SHOULD BE LOCATED TOWARD THE FRONT.
SOME OFFICES IN THERE, A WORKSPACE, KITCHEN SPACE THAT SERVES THE LARGE EXHIBIT HALL.
THESE ARE EXHIBITS AND THINGS THAT THEY PRESENT AS A PART OF THEIR EDUCATIONAL PROGRAMMING.
THEN THERE'S COVERED PORCH ACROSS THE BACK.
THEY WILL HAVE A GARDEN THAT SOME OF THAT WILL COME LATER.
THEY HAVE BEAUTIFUL RENDERINGS OF HOW THAT WOULD ALLOW LOOK.
BUT FOR TODAY'S PURPOSE, OUR POINT TODAY IS TALK ABOUT THIS BUILDING AND ALSO THE GARAGE STRUCTURE, THE SHED STRUCTURE.
HERE'S A CLOSE UP ELEVATIONS OF HOW THE BUILDING LOOKS FROM THE STREET.
IT STILL HAS THE TWO WINDOWS, BUT IT ALSO HAS SORT OF A PICTURE-LIKE WINDOW IN THE MIDDLE, HAS SOME OTHER LITTLE DETAILS THAT ARE PERIOD APPROPRIATE TO THIS KIND OF A STRUCTURE.
THEY'RE SEEKING TO MAKE THIS LOOK VERY ATTRACTIVE TO THE STREET WHILE RETAINING THE PRESENCE OF THE STRUCTURE IN THE STREET VIEW.
THEN THESE ARE THE SIDE VIEWS.
THE WHOLE THING LOOKS MANY TIMES NICER THAN WHAT'S THERE TODAY, THEY'RE MUCH MORE DEVELOPED.
THERE'S A DIFFERENT SENSE USING COMBINATION OF THE HORIZONTAL SIDING AND THE VERTICAL SLIDING SHOWING WHERE THE NEW ADDITION IS, LIKE THE HORIZONTAL SLIDING ON THE ORIGINAL PART SECTION OF WHERE THE HOUSE WAS.
I THINK THAT'S A VERY NICE FEATURE.
THEN HERE, THIS IS AN UPDATED DRAWING THAT WE JUST RECEIVED ON FRIDAY SHOWING YOU A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE MATERIALS AND HOW THE BUILDING WOULD LOOK.
THEN ALSO, THIS IS THE ORIGINAL DRAWING THEY HAD TURNED IN, IT'S IN YOUR PACKET.
THEN THIS WAS THE SILO DRAWING IN THE LITTLE AMPHITHEATER AREA.
WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT THESE TWO TODAY, BUT THIS JUST GIVES YOU AN IDEA ABOUT IT.
BECAUSE WHAT WE'RE SEEKING APPROVAL OF IS THE HOUSE AND THE GARAGE.
THEN HERE'S AN UPDATED DRAWING SHOWING THE OLD GARAGE BUILDING AND THE SILO.
YOU CAN SEE IT'S NOT A VERY TALL STRUCTURE LIKE IT WAS BEFORE, IT'S A SHORTENED STRUCTURE.
I THINK THEY HAVE MORE PLANS FOR THAT. LET ME SEE.
>> THAT'S THE ORIGINAL GARAGE, THE RED BARN?
>> WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT THE SILO? YOU WANT US TO IGNORE THE SILO?
>> RIGHT. IT'S IN THERE BECAUSE SOMETHING LIKE THAT IT'S COMING.
BUT FOR NOW, IT'S THE BUILDING IN THE GARAGE.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO EASILY WHEN THIS THING IS A LITTLE FURTHER.
THERE NEEDED TO BE MORE PARTICULAR DRAWINGS ABOUT THOSE STRUCTURES WHICH WE DIDN'T HAVE HERE.
THIS IS THE KEY PART IS TO GET THE BUILDING PART AND WHAT IT'S DOING FOR NOW.
>> JUST THINKING, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE LOT COVERAGE, PLENTY OF ROOM, VERY LOW, BIG LOT, LOT OF GREEN SPACE PLANNED, THE SILO WOULD FIT INTO THE STORAGE OR WHERE WOULD YOU?
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WELL, SINCE THIS IS A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY, IT'S NOT GOING TO HAVE TO FOLLOW ALL OF THE FEATURES OF THE ORDINANCE FOR LIKE A HOUSE BECAUSE IT'S NO LONGER A HOUSE.IN THE ZONING, IT'S CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT.
>> I GUESS I GOT SOME TIME TO THINK ON THAT.
>> YOU CAN PONDER ON THAT. [LAUGHTER] BUT WE'RE NOT GOT IT GOING ON THAT THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE THOSE SMALL STRUCTURES PER ZONING.
>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR DAVID? LET ME BRING THE APPLICANT MAYBE FIRST IF SO DESIRED AS WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO.
WERE YOU DONE, DAVID? I'M SORRY.
[OVERLAPPING] I CUT HER OFF ON PURPOSE, BUT ON ACCIDENT, I THOUGHT WE'D TAKE [LAUGHTER] MORE INFORMATION THEN GIVE EVERYBODY A CHANCE [INAUDIBLE]
>> I'M GOOD, THAT'S THAT'S PRETTY MUCH SO.
STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THIS AS PRESENTED.
>> APPLICANT WOULD, AND WRITE YOUR QUESTION DOWN.
>> GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS.
I'M JOSH ARCHER AND WITH EXCERPT STUDIO, WORKING WITH HOUSE OR SHINE ON THE PROPERTY.
DAVID DID A GREAT JOB, BUT PRETTY MUCH EXPLAINING EVERYTHING ON IT.
GIVE IT JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION ON THE BUILDING SO THE BUILDING SITS NOW, WE'RE PROPOSING IF THIS CAN MOVE IT TO THE NORTH, ABOUT NINE FEET.
KEEPING IT AT SAME LOCATION OFF THE STREET BUT JUST MOVING AT NORTH ABOUT NINE FEET.
THAT'S GOING TO ALLOW US TO GET PARKING LOT THERE THAT ACTUALLY MEETS PUBLIC WORKS STANDARDS RIGHT NOW, THE PARKING LOT THAT'S THERE, IT DOESN'T MEET PUBLIC WORKS STANDARDS, SO WE NEED A LITTLE BIT MORE SPACE TO MAKE THAT WORK.
I'M GOING TO KEEP IT IN THE SAME POSITION FROM THE STREET THOUGH.
THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING FACING THE STREET WOULD BE IN THE SAME SPOT IT IS NOW ESSENTIALLY, THE RED BARN IS ABOUT 50 FEET FURTHER BACK FROM WHERE IT IS NOW.
THE IDEA WAS TO TAKE WHAT WAS THERE NOW SINCE WE'RE REQUESTING DEMOLITION, BUT TRY TO MAKE IT LOOK AS SIMILAR AS POSSIBLE TO WAS THERE NOW AND JUST KEEP THAT SAME GAMBLE FRONT THOSE TWO PROMINENT WINDOWS.
THE ROOF PEAK AND ALL THOSE TYPE THINGS WORK THE SAME FROM THE STREET VIEW.
THAT WAS THE IDEA ON THAT AND THEN AND THEN, OF COURSE, ADDING THE EXHIBIT SPACE, WHICH IS PRETTY MUCH THE MAIN DRIVER BEHIND WHAT HOUSES SHINE NEEDS THE SPACE FOR ADDITIONAL ARTISTS, EXHIBIT SPACE FOR THE AR DISPLAYS THAT THEY HAVE THERE.
I'M SURE YOU GUYS HAVE ALL BEEN OVER TWO HOUSES ON OR KNOW WHAT THEY DO SO.
THE IDEA FOR THE GARDEN THAT WE'RE WORKING WITH THAT WITH PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT SERVICES RIGHT NOW.
IT'S JUST GOING TO BE ART DISPLAYS, AND SPACES THAT CAN BRIDGE THE CURRENT BUILDING OFF A BARTON STREET OVER TO THIS BUILDING.
JUST CAN BE A WALK PATH BETWEEN THE TWO WITH JUST ARTISTS DISPLAYS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
BUT WOULD THAT I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS YOU HAVE ABOUT THE BUILDING.
>> THAT WAS MY QUESTION ABOUT WHERE THE RED BARN WAS GOING TO BE RELOCATED, [OVERLAPPING] SO THAT IS MY QUESTION. THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU, JOSH. I JUST HAD ONE THOUGHT.
IN THIS PYRAMID, ROOF OF THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE MAY NOT HAVE BEEN IN, EVEN IN YOUR VIEW AT THE TIME WHEN YOU'VE BEEN WORKING ON IT.
THIS IS MAYBE FRESH INFORMATION IS THERE ANY WAY TO INCORPORATE SOME OF THOSE FEATURES INTO THIS DESIGN WITHOUT MESSING STUFF UP OR.
>> WELL, I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY HOW THAT ROOF LOOKED.
OUTSIDE OF THAT BIRD'S EYE VIEW FROM 200 FEET UP, I DON'T KNOW HOW IT EXACTLY LOOKS OR HOW IT WAS FRAMED.
>> WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME YOU DESIGNED TO PURE METAL ROOF? [LAUGHTER]
>> TWENTY FIVE YEARS, I'VE BEEN DOING THIS NEVER.
>> NEVER, AND THAT'S MY THINKING IS MAYBE THERE'S A REASON THAT, IT PHASED OUT OF HISTORY, BUT IT'S PRETTY INTERESTING FROM THAT'S WHY I WAS TRYING TO GET A GRASP.
I CAN'T DETERMINE AND MAYBE YOU GUYS HAVE AN OPINION OF WHAT PERIOD OF TIME ARE WE TALKING ABOUT HERE?
>> THAT'S HOW I WAS GOING TO ASK BECAUSE YOU HAD SAID IT'S PERIOD APPROPRIATE, BUT WHICH ONE? BECAUSE WE'VE [INAUDIBLE] WELL, SO DIFFERENT NAME.
>> I WAS TRYING TO HELP GUIDE THIS TO FOLLOW OUR STANDARDS.
THEY ORIGINALLY WERE TALKING WITH US ABOUT JUST YOU CAN CONFIRM THAT WAS TAKE THAT BUILDING, PUT ADDITIONS ON IT.
THAT'S WHERE WE REALLY STARTED, AND SO THAT'S WHERE WE WERE WORKING AND THEN SWITCH OFF FROM THAT STANDPOINT.
WE FOUND, I'VE KEPT MY MICROPHONE, WE FOUND MORE INFORMATION OUT ABOUT IT BEING THAT FAR DOWN IN THE PROCESS.
THE THING TO REMEMBER IS WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH THIS APPROACH.
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THERE'S REALLY, THIS IS A NICE APPROACH, WE FOUND MORE INFORMATION TO, OH MY GOOD, THAT IS THAT OLD BUILDING, BUT WE DIDN'T REALLY PERCEIVE IT THAT WAY.WHAT YOU PERCEIVED IT AS BEING SOMEWHAT OLD BUT NOT NECESSARILY THAT BUILDING OR IT LOOKED WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE AERIAL VIEW, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S FURTHER BACK ON THE SITE, BUT IN REALITY, I'VE GONE BACK AND LOOKED AT IT VERY CLOSELY.
THAT IS ITS PLACE, SO THAT IS THE BUILDING.
BUT THAT WAS NOT WHAT WE WERE PURSUING FOR A GOOD LONG PERIOD OF TIME.
I WOULD SAY ABOUT NINE MONTHS THIS IS WHAT WE'VE BEEN PURSUING.
THIS IS PRESERVING THE STREET VIEW WITH ADDITIONS AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE THAT'S WHAT WE'RE WORKING ON.
TO TAKE IT BACK TO THAT OTHER LOOK, THAT HAS A PORCH IN THE FRONT, YOU'D HAVE TO GIVE UP SPACE.
THIS THING WOULD HAVE TO BE TOTALLY REDESIGNED.
[INAUDIBLE] THAT IF THERE WERE USUALLY IN HISTORIC PRESERVATION, IF YOU HAD A BIG CHUNK OF THAT, INTACT, YOU WOULD DEFINITELY WANT TO DO THAT.
>> I'M NOT ADVOCATING FOR IT, I'M JUST TRYING TO I THINK WE NEED TO BE SPECIFIC ON ON A PERIOD THAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH.
[OVERLAPPING] THAT'S WHAT WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT GOING BACK AND PUT IN A LOG CABIN HERE.
>> EXACTLY, WE'RE WORKING WITH WHAT WE HAD.
WHAT WERE THE APPROACH WAS A LOGICAL ONE.
WE'RE WORKING WITH OUR STANDARDS AND WHAT THEY WERE ASKING YOU TO DO.
THIS IS AN APPROPRIATE ADDITION IN THE BACK, A LARGE ROOM ACROSS THE BACK.
THIS IS AN APPROPRIATE ADDITION, LITTLE PORCH ON THE SIDE.
WELL, I WOULD AND SO FORTH IN SOMEBODY.
>> I'M SEEING A LOT OF HEAD NODS WHEN WE'VE IMPROVED THEY HAVE IMPROVED THESE DESIGNS HAVE IMPROVED THE PROPERTY DRAMATICALLY. AGREE?
>> I HAVE A LOT OF PROBLEMS WITH THE DEMOLITION, AND WE SETS A PRECEDENT IN MY MIND.
WE TRIED TO DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO AVOID DEMOLISHED ANY HISTORIC PROPERTY.
IT WOULD BE NICE IF THEY COULD KEEP SOMETHING.
SHE TALKED ABOUT IT NOT ARCHED DOORWAY, ME INCORPORATED INTO THE BUILDING.
I UNDERSTAND THE FOUNDATION, BUT THEN YOU CAN ALSO SEE WHERE THEY EMBRACE BOTH NATIONS.
BUT MY PROBLEM IS WE'RE JUST GOING TO COMPLETELY DEMOLISH THE BULIDING, AND SOME OF IT PROBABLY GOES BACK TO THE 1970S CONTAINING SEE THAT POSSIBLY BEING A PROBLEM IN THE FUTURE IN THAT WAY YOU LET THEM DEAL WITH MARKET WE KNEW IT WILL.
>> IT WAS THE RATIONALE FOR TEARING IT DOWN AND BUILDING WHAT'S THERE INSTEAD OF JUST ADDING ON.
LIKE WE SEE SO OFTEN IN THIS AREA.
>> I THINK JOSH HAS SOME DEFINITE THOUGHTS ABOUT WHY THIS WAS BEING BROUGHT FORWARD THIS WAY AND THERE'S A NUMBER.
>> WE LOOKED AT THE BUILDING AND THE OWNERS OF THE BUILDING FOR SOME TIME, AND THE BUILDING IS IN REALLY HORRIBLE SHAPES.
WE GET TO THAT POINT WHERE WE'D HAVE TO GO IN AND FRAME A WHOLE NEW BUILDING WITHIN AN EXISTING BUILDING, ROTTED MATERIAL AND TERMITE INFESTED FRAMING.
IT'S JUST THE MEANS DON'T REALLY JUSTIFY THE ENDS FROM A COST STANDPOINT AS WELL AS JUST A COMMON SENSE BUILDING STANDPOINT.
IT WOULD BE REALLY DIFFICULT TO KEEP WHAT'S THERE CURRENTLY, AND MAKE IT WORK.
THERE'S JUST TOO MANY FAILURES INSIDE THE BUILDING, FROM AN ENVELOPE STANDPOINT FROM WATER PENETRATION, STRUCTURAL ASPECTS, YOU NAME IT, CURRENT BUILDING CODES TO JUST EVERYTHING WE'D HAVE TO FRAME INSIDE THAT BUILDING JUST TO BRING IT UP TO CODE.
WE'RE JUST BUILDING A WHOLE NEW BUILDING ANYWAYS.
>> THERE'S NOTHING LEFT VISIBLE IN THE 1970S BUILDING.
>> SO BASICALLY, WE'D BE LOOKING AT TRYING TO REPLICATE A NOT VERY WELL DONE 1990S BUILDING CORRECT?
>> ANSWER, JOSH. I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'RE NOT TRYING TO PRESERVE THE 92 STRUCTURE.
>> THAT'S WAS HARDWARE DESIGN.
>> WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH PLANNING SERVICES ON THE MASSAGING AND CBD ZONING REQUIRES MASONRY.
THEY DON'T ALLOW WOOD SIDING WITH THIS PARTICULAR ZONE AND WE HAD TO WORK WITH OUR TRIPLET AND ERICA DOWN THERE TO FIND THAT, MAKE SURE WE OKAY.
GOING BACK IN WITH A SEAMAN TISSUES TYPE PRODUCT OF SIDING RATHER THAN TRYING TO GO IN WITH A MASONRY PRODUCT THAT THEY WOULD INQUIRE INTO THAT ZONING AND WE'VE GOTTEN THERE OKAY.
WITH THAT AND SO WE'VE BEEN MOVING FORWARD WITH THAT.
>> MAYBE TO MARGARET'S POINT, HOW DO YOU INCORPORATE SOME OF THESE KEY HISTORICAL FEATURES INTO THIS DESIGN AND MAYBE HELP WITH WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH.
>> WE'VE KEPT THE WINDOWS ALMOST IDENTICAL IN SHAPE AND SIZE.
THERE ARE SOME SHUTTERS THAT ARE ON THE BUILDING NOW
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AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE COULD TALK ABOUT WITH OWNER AND SEE IF THEY'VE BEEN MADE.ONE INCORPORATES SOME SHUTTERS ON THE BUILDING AND MAYBE NOT FROM THE 92, BUT FROM WELL, I GUESS THAT'S MY QUESTION.
>> THOSE SHUTTERS ARE TERRIBLE, WE WOULDN'T WANNA KEEP THOSE ON THERE.
I WOULD ASK YOU I MEAN, I WOULD CHALLENGE ANYBODY HERE TO GO WALK AROUND AND TAKE A LOOK AT IT.
IT'S THE SHEDS AND EVEN WORSE CONDITION THAN THAT.
>> IT WILL BE THE BEST MOVE AROUND THE PLANET WOULD HAVE TO BE INVOLVED TO GET THAT MOOD SUCCESSFULLY.
BUT JUST FROM A WINDOWS PLATFORM, THAT'S REALLY ALL WE HAVE TO WORK WITH IS WE'VE GOT THE WINDOWS THERE'S A STANDARD DOOR ON IT, JUST A SQUARE TOP DOOR.
THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF DETAILING AND SOME OF THE SOFFIT DETAILING AND STUFF LIKE THAT THAT CAN BE INCORPORATED TO MIMIC SOME SIMILARITIES.
BUT WE KEPT WITH THE SAME WINDOW SIZE IS THE SAME LOOK.
WE DIDN'T CHANGE ANY OF THAT, THE GABLE FACES THE SAME DIRECTION, IT'S THE SAME PITCH, IT'S THE SAME SPAN.
THE WIDTH THAT FACES THE FRONT OF STREET.
IT'S THE EXACT SAME WIDTH. WE'RE PROPOSING.
WE MEASURE THAT. I THINK IT'S LIKE 35 FEET.
WE'RE PROPOSING 35 FEET SO WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP IT AS CLOSE AS POSSIBLE. WHAT'S THERE NOW? WE REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT THE OLD BUILDING FROM 1917 EVEN LOOK LIKE.
>> THANK YOU, SIR. [OVERLAPPING] AGAIN, WE'RE COMING AT THIS FROM A MORE OF A HISTORICAL PRESERVATION, YOUR DESIGN AND LOOKS GREAT.
>> THIS WAS A TOUGH ONE. THERE IS NOTHING LEFT [OVERLAPPING]
I THINK WE'RE CHARGED WITH JUST A BROADER SENSE OF HISTORY IN REGARD TO WHAT WE HAVE THERE TODAY.
>> SURE. I'VE STATED BEFORE YOU GUYS FOR MANY YEARS AND WE'VE DONE A LOT OF HOUSES WHERE THE EXISTING HOUSE WAS PLAIN AS DAY THERE IT IS.
THAT'S THE HOUSE HAS BEEN THERE FROM DAY 1, AND THOSE HOUSES WERE ASSEMBLED.
THIS ONE'S BEEN COMPLETELY COVERED UP.
WE DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT'S THERE.
MAYBE ALMOST HAVE TO BE DEMO JUST TO BE ABLE TO FIND WHAT'S THERE.
>> I THINK THAT'S YOUR ANSWER, MARGARET.
THAT'S HOW I GOT COMFORTABLE IS THAT WE LOST THIS HOUSE SOMETIME IN THE '80S.
>> YOU LOST THE LOG CABIN, AND THEN WE LOST THE 1900 HOUSE?
>> YEAH, THAT'S UNDERSTANDABLE.
A CHANCE THEY BURNED BECAUSE THAT'S WAS VERY TYPICAL AT THE TIME. [OVERLAPPING].
>> YEAH. THAT MAKES SENSE TO ME.
WHY WOULD THEY HAVE FRAMED THE WHOLE NEW ROOF? SOMETHING HAPPENED TO THE ROOF.
>> YOUR CHALLENGE IS IF THERE'S A WAY TO HELP WITH DAVID PULL IN ONE OF THE OLD STONES OR FIND SOME WAY TO INCORPORATE SOME SLICES OF HISTORY INTO YOUR STRUCTURE.
>> THEY'RE, KEEPING ALL THE STONES ARE GOING TO WORK THAT INTO THE LANDSCAPE PLAN.
COME TO THE P&Z MEETING ON NOVEMBER 21ST, THE PRESENTATION FOR THE LANDSCAPE IS IMPRESSIVE.
ALL THE ROCKS WOULD BE RETAINED AND HOPEFULLY USED ON PROPERTY AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT.
WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO RETAIN AS MUCH OF THAT AS POSSIBLE.
>> EXCUSE ME. CAN I [INAUDIBLE]
>> OH, PLEASE DO [OVERLAPPING] COME FORWARD AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR US [LAUGHTER].
THE ADDRESS IS 317 SOUTH CHURCH, AND SO WHAT I WANTED TO SAY AS IT RELATES TO OUR DESIRE AS AN ORGANIZATION, I'M GOING TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE HOUSE OR SHRINE RIGHT NOW.
OUR DESIRE TO PRESERVE HISTORY, TO LET EVERYBODY KNOW HOW IMPORTANT WE THINK IT IS.
I THINK YOU'LL SEE A LOT OF THAT IN THE GARDEN DESIGN, AND WHAT I MEAN BY THAT IS THERE ARE GOING TO BE EXHIBITS AND STRUCTURES IN THAT DESIGN THAT PAY HOMAGE TO THE FOUNDING FATHERS OF GRAPEVINE.
THERE'S A LOT OF WORK GOING ON BEHIND THE SCENES TO FIGURE OUT WHO WERE THOSE PEOPLE.
WHAT STORIES ARE IMPORTANT TO TELL? WHAT'S THE BEST WAY TO TELL IT? THIS IS WE VIEW IT AS EXHIBIT SLASH MUSEUM SPACE AND WE'RE MAKING IT A PUBLIC, PRIVATE GARDEN ENVIRONMENT, AND SO THE GOAL WAS REALLY HEY, HOW DO WE USE THIS LANDSCAPE, THIS BLANK CANVAS, IF YOU WILL, TO REALLY DO JUSTICE BECAUSE IT IS, WE ARE IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
IT WAS A HISTORIC SITE, AND WHILE THE STRUCTURE IS INVISIBLE FOR ALL INTENTS AND PURPOSES CURRENTLY AND [NOISE] HOPEFULLY IN THE FUTURE, WHAT CAN WE DO TO PRESERVE SOME OF THAT HISTORY? I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT THERE IS WE HAVEN'T FORGOTTEN ABOUT IT.
IT'S AN IMPORTANT PART OF WHAT WE'RE DOING AND THERE'S A LOT OF WORK GOING ON BEHIND THE SCENES AND THAT MAY HAVE.
>> THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS, MR. BEANIE.
>> WE OKAY, CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
>> I MOVE. WE CLOSE A PUBLIC HEARING.
ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE OR RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
MOTION PASSES. OTHER COMMENTS.
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>> I GUESS I JUST HAVE I GUESS, PHILOSOPHICAL, COMMENT THAT THE ORIGINAL, THE 1970S BUILDING IS GONE.
THERE'S NO WAY TO PRESERVE THAT MAY BE IN THE INTERIOR, BUT WE DON'T DEAL WITH INTERIORS.
THE ARCHES OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
I FEEL LIKE SO NOW WHAT WE HAVE IS THIS 1990S THING THAT'S OUT THERE THAT DOES NOT REALLY, TO MY OPINION, CONTRIBUTE TO THE STREETSCAPE AT ALL.
WE'RE TRYING TO FORCE THESE GUYS INTO CREATING SOMETHING THAT RECREATES THIS 1990S THING.
IF THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO RECREATE THE 1990S THING, THEY COULD PROBABLY COME UP WITH SOMETHING BETTER.
THEY WOULD HAVE A BETTER STREETSCAPE THAT WOULD MAYBE MEET THEIR NEEDS BETTER OR SOMETHING.
WHEN TAYLOR ASKED, WELL, WHAT PERIOD ARE WE TRYING TO RECREATE? ARE WE TRYING TO CREATE THE 1990S? I DON'T KNOW IF WE WANT TO DO THAT AS OPPOSED TO GIVE THE RESIDENTS THE OPPORTUNITY TO CREATE SOMETHING FABULOUS.
>> THAT IS A PHILOSOPHICAL QUESTION.
>> WE ASK THE APPLICANT TO CONSIDER THAT OR ADDRESS THAT.
>> WELL, ONE THING WE COULD DO IS LET'S BRING THEM BACK UP FOR JUST A SECOND.
>> TO TERRY'S POINT, I REALLY LIKED THE DRAWINGS AND THE CONCEPT.
>> OH YEAH, THAT'S GREAT AM NOT CRITICIZING THAT.
>> IT'S A REALLY INTERESTING QUESTION, PHILOSOPHICAL AND PRACTICAL.
WHAT WE WERE CHALLENGED WITH THAT DAVID HAS TALKED ABOUT IS, WE DO HAVE THIS THING THAT FOR ALL INTENTS AND PURPOSES, IT LOOKS LIKE A MOBILE HOME THAT SOMEBODY PUT A GABLED ROOF ON AND SOME SIDING.
WE WANT IT TO LOOK RESIDENTIAL.
WE WANT IT TO BE IN KEEPING WITH THE REST OF THE PROPERTIES ON THE STREET.
WHAT IS THE BEST DESIGN THAT WE COULD COME UP WITH GIVEN THOSE CONSTRAINTS? THAT'S WHAT WE'VE SPENT A LOT OF TIME AND ENERGY AND MONEY DEVELOPING AND PRESENTING TO YOU HERE.
NOW, HAD SOMEBODY SAID TO US A YEAR AGO, HEY WHAT YOU COULD TOTAL FREE RANGE, DO WHATEVER YOU WANT, MAKE IT SUPER COOL, MAKE IT RESIDENTIAL, DO WHATEVER.
THAT WOULD'VE BEEN A WHOLE DIFFERENT BALL OF WAX.
BUT I DON T KNOW THAT WHAT WE WOULD HAVE COME UP WITH WOULD HAVE BEEN MATERIALLY DIFFERENT ANYWAY BECAUSE WE WANT IT TO FIT INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
WE ARE GOOD NEIGHBORS, AND SO I CAN'T IMAGINE US DESIGNING SOMETHING FAR A FIELD FROM WHAT WE'VE PRESENTED HERE ALREADY.
>> IT'S A VERY THOUGHTFUL DESIGN.
>> IT'S LIKE TERRY, I DO GET WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ON IF THEY HAD FREE REIGN, WHAT WOULD THEY HAVE COME UP WITH? I THINK JUST BECAUSE WE'VE LOST THE HISTORIC HOME THAT WAS THERE, WE ALWAYS HAVE TO BE MINDFUL OF THE DISTRICT, AND SO THERE CAN NEVER BE COMPLETE FREE REIGN OVER US.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO PUT LIKE A CONTEMPORARY GLASS AND CONCRETE ART SPACE.
I DON'T THINK IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT, BUT I DON'T KNOW.
I'M STRUGGLING WITH THE SAME POINT, MARGARET MADE, AND I DON'T NECESSARILY WANT TO GET HUNG UP ON THE DEMOLITION HERE BECAUSE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING MAKES SENSE ON WHY.
IT'S JUST NOT COST-EFFECTIVE AND EASIER TO START FROM SCRATCH WHEN THE HISTORY OF THE BUILDING IS LOST ANYWAY.
I'M CONCERNED ABOUT SETTING A PRECEDENT, THOUGH ON THE NEXT TIME A HOMEOWNER COMES IN WITH A REALLY CHALLENGING, OLD HOME THAT'S GOT TERMITE DAMAGE AND FALLING APART AND WHERE WE WOULD SAY LIKE, NO, THIS HOUSE HAS HISTORY SO YOU GOT TO WORK WITH WAS THERE OR AT WHAT POINT ARE WE A REPLICA DISTRICT?
>> BE SURE TO REMEMBER THAT WE'RE CHARGED WITH RETAINING STREETSCAPE AND POSITIONING OF STRUCTURES.
THIS IS THE POSITIONING OF A STRUCTURE, SO YOU WOULDN'T WANT TO PUT A TREE-STORY STRUCTURE IN THERE.
THIS IS PRETTY MUCH FOLLOWING THE DIRECTION OF ALL OF OUR GUIDELINES AND ALL FOR THE LAST MORE THAN 20 YEARS WORTH OF DIRECTION, WE GO ONE-BY-ONE CASE-BY-CASE AND THIS IS FOLLOWING ALL OF OUR CASES TO A T THAT WE'RE RETAINING STREETSCAPE THERE AS YOU MAY REMEMBER ON OUR CASES FROM A YEAR OR TWO AGO, WHERE THERE WAS A STRONG DESIRE TO RETAIN RESIDENTIAL APPEARANCE.
THAT'S WHY IF YOU GO BACK AND LOOK IN 2002, IT WAS STILL A HOUSE.
THE ZONING GOT CHANGED AFTER THAT, AND SO IT WAS A HOUSE FOR YEARS AND IT LOOKED LIKE THAT FOR YEARS [OVERLAPPING].
I THINK THAT'S GETTING LOST HERE A LITTLE BIT.
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>> LET ME JUST MAKE SURE YOU'RE HEARING US.
>> I THINK WHAT YOU'VE DONE HERE IS VERY GOOD.
>> I MEAN, THAT YOU'VE IMPROVED THE STREETSCAPE, YOU'VE IMPROVED THIS PROPERTY.
THE COMMISSIONERS STRUGGLING WITH WHAT WAS THERE, AND UNFORTUNATELY, WE DIDN'T INTERVENE IN THE '80S.
WE INTERVENE IN [LAUGHTER] 1992 WHEN THE ORDINANCE WAS PASSED.
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO COME TO GRIPS WITH THIS NUANCE AND MAKE BEST DECISION WE CAN.
>> I REALLY LIKE THE DESIGN. I THINK IT'S BEAUTIFUL.
>> ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?
>> I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT WE HAD VERY STRONG COOPERATION WITH THE APPLICANT AND LISTENING TO WHEN STAFF WAS TRYING TO SHOW WHAT THE REQUIREMENTS ARE GOING TO BE TO GET SOMETHING THAT CAN BE SUCCESSFULLY APPROVED.
THIS IS THE PROCESS WE GO THROUGH.
THE CHANGE WAS AS THEY LOOKED AT IT EVEN MORE CLOSELY, THE CONDITION OF WHAT IT WAS, SINCE THERE'S REALLY NO FABRIC THERE.
THAT'S HOW IT GOT TO A DEMOLITION POINT.
IT DIDN'T START WITH CLEARING THE SITE.
THEY'VE DONE EVERYTHING WE ASK IN THE ORDER THAT WE PRESENTED THEM.
WELL, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
>> I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE CA2350.
>> THANK YOU. I GOT TO A MOTION. A SECOND.
ALL IN FAVOR RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
ALL OPPOSED. THANK YOU, MS. MARGARET.
WELL DONE. COMMISSION, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME ON THAT TAKES US TO ITEM NUMBER C,
[4.C. Commission to conduct a public hearing relative to an application for a Certificate of Appropriateness #CA23-67 for property located at 120 South Main Street, legally described as Block A, Lot A1, Starr Addition, City of Grapevine and take any necessary action.]
AND THAT IS CA 23-67 FOR 120 SOUTH MAIN STREET.[LAUGHTER] THIS CA IS FOR THE PROPERTY AT 120 SOUTH MAIN STREET IS THE GLADE FAMILY LTD IS THE OWNER AND GARY CANTRIL AND HIS SON COLTON, ARE HERE REPRESENTING THIS.
THE CA THE REQUEST IS TO REMOVE THE ORIGINAL 17 CANVAS AWNINGS THAT WERE MOUNTED ON METAL FRAMES THAT HAD BEEN APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION ON THE CANTRIL RETAIL BUILDING AND REPLACE THESE AWNINGS WITH ROLLED GALVANIZED METAL AWNINGS WITHSTANDING SEEMS MOUNTED ON NEW METAL FRAMES AS PART OF THE TAX PLANS AND WITH THE CONDITION THAT DEPARTMENT IS APPROVED BY THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT AND THE FINAL SHOP DRAWINGS FOR THE PROPOSED AWNINGS WOULD BE APPROVED PRIOR TO MAKING THE AWNINGS BY SEPARATE CA WAS IN STAFF APPROVED, SO IT WOULD NOT HAVE TO COME BACK HERE.
THIS HAS A STORY, SO I'M GOING TO READ YOU THE NARRATIVE OF IT.
THE CA23-67 WAS SUBMITTED ON SEPTEMBER 26TH BY THE PROPERTY OWNER, GARY CANTRIL AND THE GLADE FAMILY LTD TO REMOVE THE ORIGINAL 17 CANVAS AWNINGS MOUNTED ON METAL FRAMES FROM THE BUILDING AND REPLACED THEM WITH METAL AWNINGS.
THIS STARTED ON FRIDAY, SEPTEMBER 1ST.
THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION STAFF, WHICH IS ACTUALLY ME, OBSERVE THAT THE 17 ORIGINAL CANVAS AWNINGS THAT WERE MOUNTED ON METAL FRAMES ON THE BUILDING, HERE'S THE ORIGINAL RENDERING THAT WAS STAMPED APPROVE WITH SHOWING CANVAS AWNINGS ON THE BUILDING, HAD BEEN REMOVED.
HERE'S HOW THEY LOOKED RIGHT HERE AND THEN THIS IS WHAT I SAW WHEN I DROVE BY.
ALL THE AWNINGS WERE GONE AND I SAW THESE METAL FRAMES.
THEN ALSO AS I WENT AROUND THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING, I SAW GREEN METAL PANELS, FLAT LOOKING METAL PANELS BEING INSTALLED.
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THERE'S A COUPLE OF PICTURES THAT THE PROCESS OF INSTALLING THEM.UNFORTUNATELY, SO I WENT INTO THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT TO SEE DID THEY HAVE A PERMIT FOR THAT BECAUSE TO MAKE A CHANGE TO GO FROM CANVAS TO METAL, YOU NEED A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS AND THAT WOULD NEED TO COME HERE.
THAT WOULDN'T BE A CHANGE THAT STAFF WOULD APPROVE.
I FIGURED THERE'S LIKELIHOOD THERE'S NOT EVEN A PERMIT FOR THIS.
I WENT IN AND FOUND THEY CHECKED AND THERE'S NOT A PERMIT.
I SAID, I THINK WE NEED TO STOP THE JOB.
ON THAT FRIDAY, THE JOB WAS STOPPED SINCE THERE HAD BEEN NO CA APPLIED FOR OR PERMIT APPLIED FOR.
YOU CAN SEE ON THERE A LITTLE BIT THE METAL, HOW THAT LOOKS.
WE ALSO FOUND OUT THAT ALL OF THOSE PANELS HAVE ALREADY BEEN FABRICATED.
COLTON CANTRIL OF THE GLADE FAMILY TRUST AND GARY CANTRIL CONTACTED US AND HISTORIC PRESERVATION TO INQUIRE ONCE THEY HAD BEEN NOTIFIED OF THE STEPS TO TAKE FOR THE PROJECT TO CONTINUE.
DAVID CLUMPING MET WITH GARY AND COLTON CANTRIL ON WEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER 6TH, THAT THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICE TO GAIN AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHY CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR THE CHANGE IN MATERIAL HAD NOT BEEN SUBMITTED AND A PERMANENT HAD NOT BEEN APPLIED FOR.
THEY SAID THEY DID NOT KNOW THEY NEEDED A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO MAKE THE AWNING CHANGE AND A PERMIT WAS NOT APPLIED FOR THE WORK.
THAT THE PART ABOUT THE PERMIT TO THAT SAYS SOMETHING ABOUT THE AWNING COMPANY.
THE AWNING COMPANY DOING THE JOB THIS BIG 17 AWNINGS, THAT'S A PRETTY BIG JOB WITH NOT GETTING A PERMIT.
ANYWAY, IT'S HARD TO UNDERSTAND.
WE PROVIDED ORIGINAL APPROVED PLANS FOR THE BUILDING AND AWNINGS FOR VIEW WHICH YOU SAW IN THAT PREVIOUS.
WE WENT BACK IN THE FILE AND CAME UP WITH THESE THAT SHOW THE CANVAS SHOWN.
THAT'S HOW IT'S BEEN ALL THESE YEARS SINCE THE BUILDING WAS BUILT.
THESE APPROVED CANVAS AWNINGS WERE INSTALLED WHEN THE BUILDING WAS BUILT AND HAD BEEN IN USE UNTIL THIS YEAR WHEN THEY WERE REMOVED.
DURING THE DISCUSSION IT WAS LEARNED THAT ALSO THE METAL SUPPORT FRAMES HAD BEEN REMOVED FROM THE BUILDING AND WERE REPLACED WITH NEW METAL SUPPORT FRAME.
THESE ARE ACTUALLY THE NEW ONES THAT HAD BEEN FABRICATED TO TAKE THE WEIGHT OF THE METAL AND THAT HAD ALREADY BEEN INSTALLED.
THE CANTRIL SAID THEY DID NOT WANT TO REPLACE CANVAS AWNINGS, BUT WANT METAL TO REPLACE THAT.
THAT WOULD NEED LESS MAINTENANCE AND LAST LONGER.
STAFF PROVIDED SOME EXAMPLES OF HISTORIC PHOTOS OF MAIN STREET BUILDINGS THAT SHOWED METAL AWNINGS MADE OF UNPAINTED GALVANIZED METAL WITH ROAD METAL EDGE.
THIS TYPE OF MATERIAL COULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR THE STORE AT MAIN STREET IN THIS BUILDING.
BUT THE GREEN METAL TYPE LIKE THAT WOULD NOT BE APPROPRIATE AND COULD NOT BE STAFF OR PROOF SO WE CAN'T APPROVE GOING FROM CANVAS TO THAT.
ANYWAY, THAT WAS A LOT OF WE MEETING BACK-AND-FORTH AND TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT BEST TO DO.
THE CANTRILS WENT BACK TO THEIR FABRICATOR AND COME UP WITH AN ALTERNATIVE FOR THOSE GREEN METAL PANELS.
THIS IS ACTUALLY A SAMPLE WHICH I'LL GET THEM TO TALK ABOUT IT IN A MINUTE.
I'M JUST GOING TO GO AHEAD AND FINISHED EVERYTHING I'M TRYING TO SAY AND GET IT ALL OUT HERE.
THIS HAS A ROW AND YOU CAN SEE HOW IT HAS A ROW OF METAL EDGE, BUT THEY'LL HOLD IT UP.
THEY CAME UP WITH THIS AND IT'S SIMILAR TO THE AWNING LACK ON TOLBERT.
I THINK I'VE GOT A PICTURE IN HERE.
HERE'S A LITTLE DIAGRAM THAT THEY'VE COME UP WITH THAT WE CAN SEE THE GOLD PART WOULD BE THE ROW OF METAL PART THAT'D BE ADDED TO THESE EXISTING FRAMES.
SINCE THESE ARE ALL NEW EXISTING FRAMES THAT ARE HEAVY-DUTY ENOUGH TO RECEIVE METAL THEY WOULD MAKE THIS ALTERATION OF THE ROLE OF METAL EDGE, THAT LITTLE PART THAT'S IN LETTING GO AND THEN THIS OTHER PANEL IS THE TIRE.
THIS OTHER LITTLE DIAGRAM OR THIS SPEC SHEET IS SHOWING YOU THE MATERIAL ITSELF.
HERE'S A PHOTO OF THIS THAT THEY SENT ME EARLIER,
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THEY PUT IN THE POWERPOINT AND THEN HERE'S SORT OF A MOCKUP OF HOW IT WOULD LOOK.SOMETHING LIKE THIS IS APPROPRIATE TO THIS BUILDING.
THE BUILDING IS BUILT TO APPEAR TO BE SOMETHING LIKE A 1902-1920S BUILDING.
IN THAT ERA, THIS WOULD BE A METAL OWNING THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE.
THE THOUGHT IS THESE FRAMES CAN BE UTILIZED WITH A ROW METAL TOP TO REPLICATE A AWNING THAT IS PERIOD APPROPRIATE TO MAIN STREET.
THAT'S WHERE WE'RE GOING WITH THIS.
THEN AS WE LOOK AT THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS, IF YOU HAVE A PERIOD APPROPRIATE AWNING, THAT IS DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT CAN BE CONSIDERED SO THERE'S NO REASON WE CAN'T CONSIDER THIS.
I GOT TOGETHER WITH PW MCCALLUM, WHO IS OUR DEPARTMENT HEAD AND ALSO OUR BUILDING OFFICIAL AND WE FEEL THAT AN AWNING DEVELOPED WITH THE ROLE OF MENTAL EDGE COULD BE USED OR COULD BE APPROPRIATE, AND WE WOULD RECOMMEND FOR THAT TO BE DONE.
WE WOULD PREFER CANVAS AWNINGS.
THE APPLICANT IS ASKING FOR METAL AWNINGS.
WE'RE WORKING WITH THEM ON THIS TO SEE WHAT THEY ASKED TO SEE, THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF THE COMMISSION WOULD PROVE THE MENTAL AWNINGS BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT THEY PREFER TO DO.
THEY'VE ALREADY SPENT AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF MONEY ON THE OTHER METAL THAT CANNOT BE USED, SO THAT'S WHY THEY'RE INTO THE METAL.
SOME A FALLBACK POSITION COULD BE THAT CANVAS COULD BE INSTALLED BACK ON TOP OF THESE NEW, MUCH HEAVIER METAL RAMPS, BUT THAT IS NOT WHAT THE OWNER IS ASKING FOR.
I'VE DONE MY BEST TO TRY TO HELP THIS SITUATION TO GET IT RESOLVED BECAUSE I ALREADY KNOW I'VE ALREADY HEARD FROM SOME TENANTS IN THE BUILDING THAT THEY'RE REALLY MISSING AWNINGS BECAUSE THERE'S VERY SEVERE SUN THAT COMES IN THERE.
WE NEED TO COME TO CONCLUSION ABOUT THIS ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.
THIS IS THE MEETING THAT'S SCHEDULED BASED ON WHEN THEY TURN THIS IN THAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO REVIEW THIS.
I WANT TO SAY JUST A COUPLE MORE THINGS.
RENDERING HERE, THIS I'VE SUGGESTED THEY TAKE A LOOK AT THE AWNING THAT THE COMMISSION HAD APPROVED DOWN AT TOLBERT'S.
THAT'S A SIDE VIEW OF IT THAT THEY'VE INCLUDED IN THAT PICTURE RIGHT THERE.
YOU CAN SEE IF THEY WOULD DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT THAT ONE TURNED OUT TO BE A PRETTY SUCCESSFUL ADD TO THAT OLD BUILDING THAT'S THERE ON MAIN STREET.
STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THIS REQUEST THAT THEY ARE MAKING.
SPLIT IT, BUT YOU ALL NEED TO VOTE ON WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THIS? LET ME SAY A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT CANVAS.
ONE OF THE CONCERNS WE HAVE IS WITH THAT PRIOR DESIGN THAT REALLY DID NOT LOOK LIKE A HISTORIC AWNING AT ALL WITH THAT PARTICULAR METAL THIS DOES.
SO THIS WOULD BE REALLY THE SOLUTION TO HANDLE THE FACT THAT THE FRAMES ARE ALREADY THERE.
REALLY THE ONLY OTHER CHOICE WOULD BE GOING BACK TO CANVAS.
BUT THAT OTHER TYPE AT THAT TIME, TALKING ABOUT SETTING PRECEDENT, IF THAT OTHER TYPE WOULD BE APPROVED ON THERE, WE WOULD PROBABLY LOSE ALL CANVAS AWNINGS ON MAIN STREET.
WE HAVE A LOT OF CANVAS AWNINGS AND WE HAVE A MIX.
WE HAVE SOME FLAT AWNINGS, HAS SOME FLATTENED.
THERE'S ALSO SOME FLAT METAL AWNINGS, BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT THEY HAVE HERE THAT WOULD NOT BE APPROPRIATE AT THIS POINT.
WE NEED TO RETAIN A MIX ON IF WE WANT TO KEEP THE BEAUTY OF MAIN STREET THERE, WITH THE VARIETY.
THIS IS A PERIOD APPROPRIATE ALTERNATIVE TO CANVAS.
THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR.
>> THANK YOU, SIR. WILL THE APPLICANT LIKE TO MAKE ANY COMMENTS?
>> THANK YOU, DAVID. MY NAME IS COLT [INAUDIBLE].
P. O BOX 1140 [INAUDIBLE] TEXAS.
I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE. QUESTIONS?
>> WHEN I WAS LOOKING AT THIS I WAS A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT THE STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY OF THE BUILDING ITSELF WHEN YOU'RE GOING TO PUT TOO MUCH HEAVIER FRAME ON THE BUILDING.
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BECAUSE THESE ARE I WAS JUST CONCERNED THAT THE BUILDING ITSELF IS GOING TO BE STRONG ENOUGH TO BARE THE WEIGHT OF THIS METAL POINTS?>> YES, MA'AM I DO BELIEVE SO.
WHAT THEY DID IS THEY REMOVED THE ALUMINUM FRAMES AND FABRICATED THESE AND THEY'VE BEEN ANCHORED.
ADDITIONALLY, WE USE THIS SAME ANCHOR POINTS THAT WERE USED FOR THE ALUMINUM AWNINGS AND THEN THEY ADDED ADDITIONAL POINTS ON THE TOP AND THE SIDES AND THEY'VE DRILLED INTO THE BRICK AND THEY'VE REALLY REINFORCED IT.
ALSO THIS IS, IT'S ACTUALLY NOT AS HEAVY AS IT MIGHT LOOK.
THERE'S ONLY TWO PANELS THAT ARE 16 INCHES WIDE, BUT IT'S ACTUALLY NOT THAT HEAVY AND HANG THAT ON THE STEEL FRAME, THEY HAVE CONVINCED ME THAT THESE WILL HOLD THE WEIGHT AND WON'T GET JOSTLED AROUND IN THE WIND.
THE COMPANY THAT FABRICATED THIS, THERE ARE VERY LARGE COMPANY BASED OUT OF JUST WEST OF FORT WORTH AND ALEDO AND THEY FABRICATE AWNINGS AND ROOFS ALL OVER THE COUNTRY.
>> YOU SAID THE NEW FRAMES FOR STEEL?
I KNOW WE'VE TALKED ABOUT KELLER.
NOT JUST SHOWED YOU GREEN BECAUSE THAT WASN'T REALLY WHAT YOU WANTED, BUT JUST TO SHOW YOU THE CURVES THAT THEY CAN PUT ON IT SO WHEN THE AWNING IS UP, SOMETHING LIKE THAT, AND IT WILL BE OPEN ON THE SIDES, THAT WAS IT, DAVID'S REQUEST.
>> IS THAT ALUMINUM? WHAT'S THE MATERIAL THERE?
>> I'M NOT GOING TO SAY IT IS ALUMINUM.
I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THE CHEMICAL COMPOUND IS, BUT IT'S VERY SIMILAR.
I THINK I'M GETTING A WRITE-UP ON IT IN HERE.
IT'S MANUFACTURED BY BEVERAGE.
>> YES, SURE. I'VE GOT THAT RIGHT HERE ON THIS PAGE.
>> BUT THE DURABILITY OF THE PRODUCT TOO.
I WILL STAND UP TO WHETHER HAILSTORMS ULTRAVIOLET YESTERDAY [INAUDIBLE] [OVERLAPPING]
IT'S PRETTY MUCH INDESTRUCTIBLE.
THE CANVAS, WE'VE ALWAYS HAD A REAL PROBLEM WITH THAT.
IF YOU SAW IT BEFORE WE TOOK THEM DOWN, THEY WERE TORN, LOOKED REALLY BAD.
MY HEAD TENANTS COMPLAINING AND THEY JUST THEY GET WEATHERED.
ONCE THEY ALL GET WEATHERED THE WEATHER TOGETHER, THEY ALL JUST GET TORN APART.
>> HOW LONG HAD THEY BEEN UP BEFORE THEY STARTED EXHIBITING THAT?
>> I THINK TWICE OR THREE TIME
>> NO, I THINK IT WAS FOUR TIMES.
>> BUT EVERY SEVEN YEARS APPROXIMATELY, IS THAT SOUND ABOUT SIX YEARS.
>> WE SHOULD HAVE DONE THESE QUITE A BIT BEFORE, BUT THEY STARTED TO TEAR AND JUST COULDN'T PUT IT OFF ANYMORE.
THIS WILL THIS WILL BE AROUND TO LAST.
THE COLOR THAT WE ARE PROPOSING IS THIS CHAMPAGNE COLOR.
IT LOOKS A LOT LIKE WHAT YOU SEE ON THIS AWNING FROM TOLBERT THAT I'VE OVERLAID ONTO OUR BUILDING.
THIS IS TO SHOW YOU THE COLOR.
THIS IS TO SHOW YOU THE CURVE.
THIS STANDING SEAM, A CRIMP THAT SO IT'S SOLID AND IT DOESN'T ALLOW FOR WATER PENETRATION.
BECAUSE A LOT OF TIMES, IF YOU LOOK AT A LOT OF THE OTHER CURVED AWNINGS ON MAIN STREET, THEY HAVE TO SNIP THIS AND IT CREATES
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OPEN SPOTS IN THE MIDDLE WHERE WATER WOULD GET IN AND DRIP IN AND CORRODE FROM THE INSIDE OUT.THIS IS DESIGNED TO BE CURVED IN THIS WAY TO MAKE IT LAST LONGER.
>> WHAT DO YOU THINK THE ESTIMATED LIFE OF THAT PRODUCT WOULD BE?
>> I'D BE HARD PRESSED TO PUT A NUMBER ON IT.
>> IS THERE A WARRANTY OR SOURCE RECORDED? I DON'T REMEMBER SEEING ONE.
>> I DON'T REMEMBER HEARING ABOUT A WARRANTY FROM THEM, BUT I'M NOT CONCERNED WITH IT.
I THINK IT'S A 50-YEAR PRODUCT, AT LEAST.
>> BY KEEPING THE SIDES OPEN AS DAVID HAD SUGGESTED, YOU'RE ACTUALLY BEING ABLE TO SEE MORE OF THE BUILDING THAN YOU ARE WITH THE CURRENT AWNING.
IT JUST OPENS THAT UP QUITE A BIT MORE.
>> THE AWNINGS THAT WERE UP WERE CLOSED ON THE SIDES.
FORGIVE US, WE DID NOT REALIZE IT NEEDED TO COME THROUGH THIS PROCESS.
I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T KNOW THAT.
THERE INITIAL PLAN WAS TO BASICALLY TAKE THE METAL, REMOVE THE CANVAS THAT WAS GREEN AND PUT UP GREEN METAL AND MAKE IT LOOK PRETTY MUCH THE EXACT SAME.
THAT'S WHY WE THOUGHT, GREEN AWNING FOR A GREEN AWNING.
[LAUGHTER] WE DIDN'T REALIZE THAT WE STEPPED IN THE BUCKET THERE.
THIS WAY, WE'RE GETTING SOME GUIDANCE FROM DAVID AND WE FEEL LIKE THIS IS GOING TO BE AN ASSET TO MAIN STREET AND IT'LL LAST AND LOOK GOOD.
>> APPRECIATE THAT. THE RECOMMENDATION IS FOR GALVANIZED.
I NOTICED YOUR COLOR YOU MENTIONED IS CHAMPAGNE OR ARE YOU OKAY WITH GALVANIZED?
>> CHAMPAGNE OVER GALVANIZED? TO MAKE SURE WE NAIL THIS ONE TIME, THIS CODED GALBA LOAM WILL BE.
>> BRING THE CHAMPAGNE UP AS WELL IF YOU DON'T MIND.
>> ABSOLUTELY YOU CAN [INAUDIBLE] SUGGEST.
>> COLTON, WHY DON'T YOU TELL US WHY YOU PREFER THAT COLOR OVER THE GALVANIZED? BECAUSE WHAT WILL HAPPEN, THEY WILL WEATHER AND THAT CHAMPAGNE COLOR, THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR.
BUT WOULD YOU TELL US WHY YOU LIKED THAT ONE OVER THE OTHER ONE ISN'T EXACTLY?
>> I THINK THAT OVER TIME, IT'S NOT GOING TO LOOK EXACTLY PERFECT LIKE THAT.
FIVE YEARS FROM NOW, 20 YEARS FROM NOW, BUT I THINK IT WILL WEATHER A LITTLE BIT AND I THINK IT'LL ADD OF A NATURAL COLOR TO IT.
IT CONTRASTS WITH THE COLORS OF THE BRICK THAT WE HAVE.
NOW, THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT I CAME UP WITH.
MY WIFE AND MY MOM WERE LOOKING AT IT AND THEY THOUGHT THAT.
>> IT'S ALWAYS GOOD. [LAUGHTER]
>> DO YOU THINK THAT THOSE TWO WOULD PREFER CANVAS?
>> NO. WE JUST DON'T LIKE THE CANVAS.
>> THE CHAMPAIGNE IS WHAT IT'S CLOSE TO WHAT THAT TOLBERT IS NOW. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING?
>> I THINK IT LOOKS A LOT LIKE WHAT YOU SEE IN THIS PICTURE THAT I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE LOOKING THE SAME ONE I'M LOOKING AT.
>> IT'S UNFORTUNATE YOU'VE GOTTEN THIS FAR DOWN THE ROAD AND THEN REALIZING THAT YOU NEEDED TO COME TO THIS COMMITTEE FOR APPROVAL.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER THIS, BUT I WAS JUST CURIOUS, IS THERE A BETTER WAY TO COMMUNICATE WITH PROPERTY OWNERS LIKE YOURSELVES TO REMIND YOU THAT IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THIS, YOU NEED TO COME TO THE COMMITTEE OR COME TO THE COMMISSION OR COME TO THE CITY.
I LIVE AT 3400 GLADE ROAD IN COLLEYVILLE.
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WE BUILT A BUILDING IN 96 AND WITH CANVAS AWNINGS, BUT WE'VE REPLACED THEM.IT'S ABOUT $35,000 TO REPLACE THE CANVAS AWNINGS.
THIS IS IN THE RANGE, IF NOT, THAT YOU CARE ABOUT MONEY.
THESE ARE IN THE RANGE OF 55,000.
IT'S A STEP-UP, AND IN MY HUMBLE THINKING.
I THOUGHT WE WERE JUST REPAIRING THE AWNINGS AND PUTTING IN GREEN AWNINGS WHERE WE MET GREEN METAL AWNINGS THAT WOULD LAST LONGER.
INSTEAD OF CANVAS GREEN AWNINGS WHICH LASTS 8-10 YEARS.
IT'S A MONEY THING PLUS I THOUGHT IT WOULD LAST.
IT WAS MY FAULT THAT I DIDN'T HAVE THE WISDOM TO THINK OF GOING FOR THE COMMISSION.
I JUST LOOKED AT IT AS A REPAIR AND I HAD NO INTENTION OF TRYING TO CIRCUMVENT THIS.
WE'RE IN THE REAL ESTATE BUSINESS, WHEN YOU MAKE REPAIRS, YOU JUST GO OUT AND MAKE THEM AND YOU DO WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO AND THEY FINISHED WORK COMPLAINING ABOUT THE AWNINGS AND THEY'RE FLAPPING IN THE WIND, THEY LOOK BAD.
SO I MADE A COMMAND DECISION WITHOUT COLTON [LAUGHTER].
I'M RETIRED COLTON IS CHARGE NOW AND I MADE THE DECISION AND I MADE A BAD DECISION TO NOT COME TO DAVID.
PUT THE BLAME WHERE IT IS [OVERLAPPING] THAT WE GOT HERE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT?
>> I JUST HAVE A QUESTION FOR DAVID.
DOES THE CHAMPAGNE COLOR MEET OUR HISTORIC DISTRICT REQUIREMENTS.
IF WE'RE GOING BACK TO WHAT WOULD HAVE BEEN APPROPRIATE FOR THE 1920S ISH BUILDING THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN GALVANIZED.
>> RIGHT. THIS IS SOMETHING CALLED GALVALUME AND I DO KNOW FROM EXPERIENCE.
LET ME JUST TELL YOU A LITTLE BACKGROUND.
THE FIRST CHOICE THAT WE WOULD SAY WOULD BE THIS GALVALUME.
THIS IS A PRODUCT THAT WAS PUT ON THE NASH FARM ROOF IN 2005 WHEN THAT WAS BUILT AND IT LOOKS SO SHINY AND BRIGHT FOR QUITE A WHILE.
BY NOW IT DOESN'T LOOK THAT WAY ANYMORE.
SO IN TIME, IT WEATHERS OUT AND NOW IT REALLY LOOKS PRETTY MUCH LIKE A CORRUGATED METAL ROOF UP THERE.
WITH LIKE A REGULAR GALVANIZED, I SEE WHY THEY MIGHT WANT TO USE THIS ONE.
IN THE BEGINNING, THIS WOULD PROBABLY LOOK A LITTLE SOFTER LIKE PRE WEATHERED OR SOMETHING.
I'M NOT SURE HOW THESE REALLY WEATHER, BUT ONE COULD PROBABLY GO WITH EITHER ONE BECAUSE IT'S LIGHT ENOUGH THAT IT WOULD BE COMPLETE.
SEE THAT ORANGE BRICK, THAT BRICK IS ORANGEY.
IN THE BEGINNING, THIS WOULD REALLY STAND OUT, BUT THIS WOULD BE A LITTLE SOFTER LOOKING.
THEN THEY WEATHER, THEY DISCOLOR [OVERLAPPING] THEY PATINA.
WE WANT IT TO HAVE A PATINA AND ACTUALLY, I WAS SHOWING HIM WHEN WE WERE AT OUR OFFICE OUT THE WINDOW ACROSS THE STREET WHERE WIND FUSION IS.
THOSE ABSOLUTELY LOOK LIKE ME CLEANING OR SOMETHING THAT LOOKED PRETTY BAD NOW.
I'M NOT SURE WHAT THAT IS, BUT THEY WILL GET WEATHERED.
THE IDEA IS, IT SHOULD RESEMBLE GALVANIZED BECAUSE YOU REALLY WANT THAT LOOK AND FEEL.
I'M NOT TOTALLY SOLD ON THE CHAMPAGNE IDEA.
BUT IT MIGHT SOFTEN AND PRE WHETHER THE LOOK FOR THAT BUILDING.
BECAUSE ON HIS BUILDING HE HAS 17 AWNINGS.
THERE ARE SEVERAL BIG ONES, LIKE SEVEN OR EIGHT BIG ONES IN THE FRONT AND THEN SEVERAL LITTLE ONES ALL ACROSS THE BACK.
BUT IT'S A LOT OF AWNING MATERIAL.
HOW WOULD IT REALLY LOOK? IF IT'S TOO SHINY AND NEW AND HAVE TO STAY THAT WAY FOR A WHILE, IT MIGHT BE BETTER TO GO WITH A SOFTER.
LOOK, I'M JUST TRYING TO THINK ABOUT IT FROM EVERY ANGLE POSSIBLE.
>> COULD THEY PUT SOME TREATMENT ON THERE WHEN THEY'RE INSTALLING TO ACCELERATE THE AUTHORIZATION?
>> THAT'S THE CODING ITSELF, IT WILL WEATHER.
>> WE ORDER UP A ROLL OF THAT BY THE TIME AND IT'S FINISHED.
>> [OVERLAPPING] AND WE SAY WE NEED THREE ROLLS OF CHAMPAGNE, AND THAT'S FOR THE WHOLE YEAR.
>> IF I'M HEARING YOU RIGHT, YOU'RE LEANING MORE TOWARDS CHAMPAGNE.
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>> WELL, IN MY CONCERN TOO, JUST THE EAST AND THE WEST FACING WITH THE GALVALUME, JUST WITH THE SUN.
THE CHAMPAGNE WILL JUST ABSORB A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE LIGHT AND THAT'LL JUST HELP, OF COURSE, WITH THE PATINA, NATURAL PATINA WITH THE METAL OVER TIME. IT'LL JUST [OVERLAPPING]
>> IT'LL LOOK REALLY NICE NEXT TO THE RED.
>> THANK YOU, DAVID. THANK YOU COLE.
[LAUGHTER] ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? LET'S ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. THANK YOU, MARGARET.
>> THANK YOU. ALL IN FAVOR RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
OTHER DISCUSSION, COMMENTS? HEARING NONE, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
>> I MOVE, WE APPROVE WITH CONDITIONS CA 2367.
>>THANK YOU. LET ME INTERRUPT YOU FOR ONE SECOND TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF FLEXIBILITY.
DO YOU HAVE A COMMENT ON THE COLOR BECAUSE THIS IS APPROVING?
>> THAT'S A GOOD POINT. CAN WE PUT IN THE ADDITIONAL? [OVERLAPPING].
>> THE ORIGINAL THING SAYS THE GALVANIZED COVERS, SO YOU COULD MAKE IT BE THE OTHER ONE.
>> I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE WITH CONDITIONS CA 2367 WITH THE ADDITION OF OR THE CHAMPAGNE COVER COLOR FOR THE AWNINGS.
>> THANK YOU. THANK YOU, JENA.
GOT A MOTION AND A SECOND, AND I HEARD A THIRD.
ALL IN FAVOR, RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
FOR ALL THESE YEARS YOUR BUILDING STILL LOOKS FANTASTIC.
TAKES US [OVERLAPPING] IT TAKES US DOWN TO OUR MINUTES.
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ITEM NUMBER 5, AND ADD THOSE A LITTLE BIT AND ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE.> SECOND, ALL IN FAVOR RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
NOT KNOW ANY OF ANY OTHER ITEMS BEFORE THIS COMMISSION WILL ADJOURN THE MEETING NOW.
REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR COMMISSIONERS. THANK YOU.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.