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>> 6:45 GO AHEAD AND CALL THE WORKSHOP TO ORDER.
[CALL TO ORDER]
[1. Receive a report, hold a discussion and provide staff direction regarding the creation of an electric vehicle (EV) charging station definition and use-specific standards, and take any necessary action. This item was discussed at the August 1, 2023 Planning and Zoning Commission Workshop]
REGULARLY SCHEDULED BRIEFING SESSION IS REGARDING EV CHARGING STATION.AS YOU RECALL, WE MET AS A DIVISION WITH STAFF THAT'S ON AUGUST 1ST AND ONE OF OUR TOPICS WAS EV CHARGING STATIONS.
IT HAD BEEN DETERMINED THAT IT WAS A NEW AND UNLISTED USE, IT NEEDED TO BE STUDIED FURTHER.
THE FEEDBACK THAT YOU RECEIVED AT THAT AUGUST 1ST WORKSHOP WAS PROVIDED TO US AND THE CITY ATTORNEY, MATTHEW BOYLE WAS ALSO PRESENT.
WE PROCEEDED WITH THE ORDINANCE FOR SIX-MONTH MORATORIUM THAT WENT FORWARD AND WAS CONSIDERED AN APPROVED THROUGH ORDINANCE 2023, 51 BY CITY COUNCIL ON SEPTEMBER 5TH, 2023.
IT'S A SIX-MONTH MORATORIUM UNLESS IT'S EXTENDED.
IT'S SET TO EXPIRE ON MARCH, SORRY IT SAYS 2023, BUT THAT WILL BE 2024.
THIS MORATORIUM PERIOD GIVES US THE OPPORTUNITY TO WORK THE COMMISSIONING STAFF TO COME UP WITH APPROPRIATE ZONING DISTRICTS, WHERE YOU BELIEVE THAT EV CHARGING STATIONS ARE APPROPRIATE, LOCATIONAL CRITERIA INTO FORMALIZED DEFINITIONS FOR EV CHARGING STATIONS AND THEIR SUPPLY EQUIPMENT.
HERE THIS EVENING, WE WANTED TO PRESENT TO YOU OUR PROPOSED CHANGES FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION AND FEEDBACK.
THOSE HAVE BEEN PROVIDED TO YOU IN YOUR BACKUP MATERIALS IN STRIKETHROUGH UNDERLYING FORMAT.
RIGHT NOW WE'RE PROPOSING A DEFINITION FOR EV CHARGING STATION AND ELECTRIC VEHICLES SUPPLY EQUIPMENT.
YOU CAN READ THAT FOR YOURSELVES, BUT THE SUPPLY EQUIPMENT ALSO INCLUDES THE THREE DIFFERENT LEVELS BASED ON THE VOLT ELECTRICAL SERVICE.
WHAT'S USUALLY LIKE IN A RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY WOULD BE THE LEVEL 1 CHARGER AT 120-VOLT ELECTRICAL SERVICE.
LEVEL 2 IS WHAT YOU WOULD SEE ON MORE COMMERCIAL OR INDUSTRIAL PROPERTIES FOR THE PUBLIC TO USE BETWEEN 100-240 VOLT ELECTRICAL SERVICE AND THERE'S THAT LEVEL 3 OR ALSO KNOWN AS A RAPID CHARGE WHICH PROVIDES VOLTAGE AT A HIGHER RATING OF 3.3 PHASE OR INDUCTIVE CHARGING EQUIPMENT.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS IN RELATION TO THIS PROPOSAL ADDITIONS?
>> I'M CURIOUS, THE FIRST TWO LEVELS DESCRIBE IT IN VOLTAGE, BUT THERE'S NOT ANYTHING ON LEVEL THREE IN REGARD TO VOLTAGE, BECAUSE I THOUGHT THAT THERE WERE SOME OF THESE CHARGING STATIONS THAT WERE 240 VOLTS THAT WERE RAPID CHARGE.
>> MY CALLER SAYS WE CAN'T HEAR YOU.
>> I'M CURIOUS ABOUT, IN OUR DEFINITION, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT VOLTAGE EVERYWHERE, BUT THE LAST ONE.
SO, IS IT GREATER THAN 240, CAN IT BE 250? ANYWAY I'M JUST CURIOUS.
>> WE CAN LOOK INTO THAT A LITTLE BIT FURTHER TO PROVIDE SOME MORE FEEDBACK IF YOU'D PREFER TO HAVE THE VOLTAGE IN THE DEFINITION.
>> IF IT'S LARGER THAN 240, THEN THAT WOULD BE EASY TO SAY THAT THERE.
BUT IF IT COULD BE EITHER ONE, THEN THE QUESTION IS, THE VOLTAGE ALONE IS NOT GOING TO TELL US IT'S A RAPID CHARGE.
>> IT SAYS LEVEL 3 OR RAPID CHARGE, BUT WHAT MAKES IT A RAPID CHARGE?
>> IT ALSO SAYS PROVIDES VOLTAGE OR RATING HIGHER THAN LEVEL 2.
YOU KNOW IT'S GOING TO BE HIGHER THAN A 240.
>> THEN WHY DON'T WE SAY THAT? THAT'S WHAT I GUESS I'M GOING TO.
BECAUSE EVERYTHING'S IN VOLTAGE IN THE FIRST TWO.
IF IT'S GOING TO BE HIGHER THAN 240 VOLTS, LET'S SAY IT'S GREATER THAN 240 VOLTS.
>> MY QUESTION IS, DO WE USE LEVEL 1, 2 OR 3 ANYWHERE ELSE?
>> WE DO NOT. IT'S MORE FOR INFORMATIONAL PURPOSES.
>> ALL THREE LEVELS COULD BE A CONDITIONAL USE.
>> WELL, BECAUSE THIS ONLY PERTAINS TO THE COMMERCIAL OR INDUSTRIAL ZONING DISTRICTS.
THE MORATORIUM ONLY APPLIES TO THOSE DISTRICTS, IT DOESN'T APPLY TO RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY ZONING.
WE WOULDN'T GET INTO PERMITS FOR THE 120 [OVERLAPPING] CORRECT.
>> CAN I ASK WHY ARE WE NOT WORRIED ABOUT PERMITS FOR THE HOMES AS WELL?
>> MAINLY BECAUSE IT'S NOT REALLY HAVING AN EFFECT WHERE PRIVATE BUSINESSES OR OPERATORS OF THESE ARE COMING IN AND PUTTING IN BANKS OF CHARGING STATIONS AND THEIR SUPPLY EQUIPMENT ON SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES.
THAT'S NOT REALLY HAPPENING, BUT YOU DON'T WANT TO [OVERLAPPING] FOR MULTIFAMILY, IT WOULD BE UP TO THEM AND HOPEFULLY THEY WOULD NEED TO COME IN WITH THROUGH THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT PROCESS ALREADY.
>> WHY WOULD THEY ALREADY NEED TO IF THEY ADDED IT?
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>> BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT PERMITTED BY RIGHT [OVERLAPPING] MULTIFAMILY IS NOT PERMITTED BY RIGHT.
>> WELL, BUT IF YOU HAD AN EXISTING MULTIFAMILY.
>> THEY WOULD NEED TO COME BACK THROUGH THIS PROCESS.
>> WHERE DOES IT SAY THAT THEY WOULD BE REQUIRED TO HAVE A CONDITIONAL USE?
>> IT DOESN'T IN THIS DRAFT RIGHT NOW.
>> WELL, THAT'S WHAT I GUESS I'M SAYING TO [OVERLAPPING] BUT WE ARE DOING MORE TO APPLY THE SAFETY CONCERNS TO THE RESIDENTIAL AS WELL.
>> TO THE MULTIFAMILY LIKE IN THEIR PARKING LOTS OR STRUCTURE
>> NOT ONLY TO THE MULTIFAMILY, WHERE THE SHUT OFF IS AND WHERE IT CAN BE REACHED AND ALL THAT STUFF
>> WHAT DOES THE FIRE CHIEF SAY ABOUT THIS EV ON THE RESIDENTIAL.
>> BRIAN PARKER IS HERE FOR THE FIRE MARSHAL.
HE CAN SPEAK TO THE CONCERNS ABOUT RESIDENTIAL VERSUS COMMERCIAL.
>> TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, WE DON'T SEE THAT THE LIKELIHOOD OF THE INCREASED AMOUNT OF DANGER CHARGING THE CAR OVERNIGHT IN YOUR GARAGE IS NEAR AS EFFECTIVE OR IS GOING TO CAUSE ANY ISSUES AS IF IN A COMMERCIAL SETTING MULTI-STOREY.
RIGHT NOW WE HAVE NO WAY TO SHUT THAT OFF OF COURSE IN A HOME WE DO HAVE A WAY TO SHUT THE POWER OFF.
THERE'S QUITE A BIT OF A DIFFERENCE THERE.
I UNDERSTAND IT'S THE SAME, BUT THE SIMILARITIES AND [OVERLAPPING] IT'S NOT THE AMOUNT OF ENERGY BEING USED UP.
IT'S NOT A COMMERCIAL SETTING WHERE IT'S GOING TO AFFECT SOMETHING CLOSE BY.
TYPICALLY IF THIS DID HAPPEN IT WOULD BE IN A GARAGE WHICH BY THE WAY IS A SAFETY [INAUDIBLE] FOR HOMEBUYERS.
>> MY HEARING THAT YOU WANT THESE TO APPLY TO THE MULTIFAMILY DISTRICT AS WELL.
>> I WOULD THINK SO WHERE THEY CAN HAVE MULTIPLE UNITS [OVERLAPPING]
>> NEWER ONES THAT ARE TO THE YUPPIES OUT THERE.
THEY'RE GOING TO WALK THROUGH THAT.
I COULD SEE THEM PUTTING IN BIG BANK SEVERAL MONTHS FOR SURE [OVERLAPPING]
>> THERE OUGHT TO BE SOMETHING IN THERE IN REGARD TO RESIDENTIAL BECAUSE EVEN THE HOMEOWNER WOULD WE WANT TO KNOW THAT THEY HAVE A CHARGING STATION.
THAT'S AN ISSUE OR NOT, BUT YOU'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT PERMITS FOR SINGLE-FAMILY HOME.
>> THEY WOULD CONTINUE TO NEED AN ELECTRICAL PERMIT THROUGH THE BUILDING SERVICES DEPARTMENT.
BUT FROM A PLANNING STANDPOINT, WE WOULD NOT REQUIRE A CONDITIONAL USE IN ORDER TO GET THOSE.
>> HOW WOULD THEY KNOW THEY NEEDED ONE?
>> I JUST BUY A TESLA, DRIVE IT HOME.
BUT THEN I START INSTALLING STUFF THEN A PERMIT FOR THAT.
>> WELL YOU HAVE TO CONVERT THE PLUG.
THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT NEEDS TO GO TO THE BILL ELECTRIC COMPANY.
>> OR GET THE GUY DOWN THE STREET TO DO IT IF HE KNOWS YOU NEED THE PERMIT.
>> I JUST THINK WE OUGHT TO HAVE SOMETHING IN THERE ABOUT IF YOU'RE GOING TO REQUIRE THEM TO HAVE A PERMIT, IT NEEDS TO BE IN THE ORDINANCES SOMEWHERE THAT IF YOU'RE GOING TO INSTALL AN EV CHARGING STATION EVEN IN A RESIDENTIAL.
>> I CAN SPEAK TO THAT THE NATIONAL ELECTRIC CODE REQUIRES A PERMIT EQUAL TO THAT.
>> WELL, I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT IT NEEDS TO BE HERE TOO BECAUSE WHEN PEOPLE LOOK AT THE ZONING ORDINANCES, THEY NEED TO KNOW THAT EVEN IF IT IS A DUPLICATION, IT DOESN'T HURT US TO HAVE THE DUPLICATIONS.
>> BUT THEY WON'T. [OVERLAPPING]
>> YOU ARE YOU THINKING UNDER EACH OF THOSE SINGLE-FAMILY OR RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS, A SMALL SENTENCE OR BLURB THAT STATES THE FACT THAT ANY EV CHARGING REQUIRES [OVERLAPPING].
>> THAT IF YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE A SECTION FOR EV IS YOU COULD PUT IT THERE.
>> WE CAN PUT THAT UNDER THE ASSESSMENT AREA INDUSTRY STANDARDS TOO.
>> DO THE BUILDING SANDWICH OR SOMETHING? JUST INFORMATIONAL.
>> IS THERE ANY THOUGHTS ABOUT LIMITS OF THE NUMBERS IN RESIDENTIAL ZONING CATEGORIES? IN OTHER WORDS, NO LIMIT TO, SO IF YOU'VE GOT AN APARTMENT COMPLEX WITH 200 RESIDENCES, YOU COULD HAVE 200 TV STATIONS, THEORETICALLY?
>> NO, WE HAVEN'T REALLY LOOKED AT THE MULTI-FAMILY COMPONENT OF IT.
WE HAVE BEEN PROVIDED SOME INFORMATION FROM THE COLLEGE IN NORTH CENTRAL TEXAS COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENTS.
GENERALLY SPEAKING, WHEN THEY'RE TALKING TO COMMUNITIES, THEY'RE TRYING TO HELP COMMUNITIES BECOME EV, READY WITH THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND WHAT TO ANTICIPATE FOR NEW DEVELOPMENT IN TO HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE ALREADY IN PLACE SO THAT IT'S EASY TO INSTALL EVERYTHING.
SO THEY'RE NOT REALLY LOOKING AT IT LIKE OUR COMMUNITY WHERE WE'RE MOSTLY DEVELOPED IN, WE'RE IN THAT PART OF THE LIFE CYCLE OF REDEVELOPMENT.
MOST OF THE INFORMATION WE'VE RECEIVED FROM THEM IS THAT IT'S A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF THE OVERALL NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING EACH COMMUNITY'S GOING TO NEED TO DETERMINE FOR THEMSELVES WHETHER THAT'S 1% NEEDS TO BE ED READY,
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OR 5% OR 10%.>> I CAN SEE AN ISSUE WITH A LOT OF ON-TIME FAMILY JUST BECAUSE THEY'VE ALREADY GOT THEIR ASSIGNED NUMBER OR SPOTS AND THE WAY WE'RE READING HERE, ASKED ME OVER AND ABOVE WHAT THEY HAVE.
>> I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO THERE.
>> BUT THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN LOOK AT AND BRING BACK TO YOU AND HAVE A WATCH ABOUT THIS.
>> YOU WILL LIKELY SEE THE REASON.
>> WE KNOW WE NEED TO LOOK AT MULTIFAMILY AND THEN SOME ALLOWANCES FOR THEM.
AS FAR AS THE NON-RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICTS THAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO ALLOW THEM CHARGING STATIONS WITH A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
THE COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL HIGHWAY, COMMERCIAL CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT, LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, BUSINESS PARK AND GOVERNMENT USE.
MOST OF THESE ARE LARGELY BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE SOME ARE ALREADY LOCATED.
DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS IN RELATION TO THOSE DISTRICTS OR ANY DISTRICTS THAT MAY HAVE LEFT OUT OR THAT YOU MAY WANT TO REMOVE? [BACKGROUND] THEN FINALLY, WE HAVE A NEW SUBSECTION OF SECTION 42, SUPPLEMENTARY DISTRICT REGULATIONS OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE, WHERE WE'VE LISTED NINE NEW SPECIFIC REGULATIONS WITHIN THOSE NON-RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICTS.
WE HAVE THAT THEY EAT ANY EV CHARGING STATIONS MUST BE IN ADDITION TO THE REQUIRED PARKING.
THEY CAN'T TAKE UP REQUIRED PARKING.
THEY WOULD NEED TO BE IN ADDITION TO MINIMUM REQUIRED PARKING.
>> THEY DON'T WATCH THEM, DON'T EVEN HAVE THE REQUIRED PARKING.
WOULD THEY HAVE TO HAVE DEVELOP A NEW PLACE FOR THIS?
>> RIGHT NOW, FOR NEW PROJECTS, FOR REDEVELOPMENT PROJECTS IN THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT.
THEY HAVE TO COME TO US WITH A WORKING PLAN TO SHOW US WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO MEET THEIR NEED FOR.
>> I'M JUST SAYING BASED ON THIS STATEMENT THOUGH, IT HAD TO HAVE AN ADDITION.
CHARGING STATION WOULD BE ADDITIONAL TO THE REQUIRED PARKING SPACES.
>> IF IT'S THE PROPERTY OWNER AND THEY WANT TO PUT IN EV CHARGING STATIONS, THEY NEED TO SHOW THAT THEY MEET A MINIMUM FOR THE USES ON THAT SITE BEFORE THEY COULD PUT IN THE EV CHARGING STATIONS.
THAT'S HOW WE WOULD REGULATE IT.
STATING ONE OF THESE SPECIFIC REGULATIONS, NUMBER 2 IS THAT THE POSTED SIGNAGE WOULD NEED TO INDICATE THAT THAT SPACE IS ALSO AVAILABLE FOR GENERAL PUBLIC OR PRIVATE PARKING AND NOT JUST FOR THE CHARGING PURPOSES.
>> WHY IS THAT? THEY HAVE THIS OVER [INAUDIBLE]?
>> I BELIEVE THAT IN SOME INSTANCES, NOT ALL OF THE EXISTING CHARGING STATIONS ARE VERY WELL UTILIZED.
WE HAVEN'T RECEIVED ALL OF THE NUMBERS.
WE HAVE SOME NUMBERS IN OUR FACILITIES DEPARTMENT AS IT RELATES TO CITY PROPERTIES AND PARKING LOTS.
BUT A LOT OF INSTANCES THEY SIT VACANT IF THEY'RE SIGNED FOR EV CHARGING ONLY EVEN JUST EMPTY SPACES.
IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE THAT THAT'S NECESSARY, PLEASE LET US KNOW.
WE CAN SHRINK IT OR MODIFY IT.
>> ARE YOU SAYING THAT THE POLICE ARE DESIGNATED PARKING SPOTS FOR EVS ONLY THAT PEOPLE CAN THEN PARK IN THIS PARKING SPOT? YOU'RE NOT CHARGED FOR CAR.
I GUESS NOT, I UNDERSTAND THAT.
>> YOU CAN PARK THERE DOESN'T MATTER WHETHER YOU'RE CHARGED NOW.
>> IT IS IN ADDITION TO MINIMUM REQUIRED.
THEY'RE INTENDED FOR CHARGING.
BUT PEOPLE ARE NOT GOING TO BE PROHIBITED FROM PARKING THERE AND I CAN CHOOSE TO PARK THERE.
WE'RE ALSO STANDING IN NUMBER 3, ALL SIGNAGE ASSOCIATED WITH THE CHARGING STATION MUST BE APPROVED AS PART OF THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
THAT WOULD COME EVEN BEFORE THE COUNCIL AS A PACKAGE ITEM TO REVIEW AND APPROVE IF THERE WAS ANY ISSUES WITH THIS SIGNAGE ON THE CHARGES ITSELF, THE EQUIPMENT, OR ANY ADDITIONAL SIGNAGE THAT THEY MIGHT HAVE ASSOCIATED WITH IT.
WE'RE ALSO VERY CLEARLY PROHIBITING THE INSTALLATION OF THE TYPES OF CHARGES THAT HAVE THE CHANGEABLE COPY SCREENS OR DEVICES WHERE IT'S LIKE A TV OR COMPUTER SCREEN, WHERE THEY HAVE SCROLLING ADVERTISEMENTS OR COMMERCIALS.
THERE'S ONE INSTALLER OR PROVIDER THAT DOES THAT.
TYPICALLY IT'S CONSIDERED OFF PREMISE SIGNAGE AND IT'S LIKE A BILLBOARD HAS ALREADY PROHIBITED BY OUR PSYCH ORDINANCE, BUT THIS JUST MAKES IT VERY CLEAR.
WE'RE ALSO STATING IN NUMBER 5 THAT CHARGING STATIONS CAN NOT BE IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO RIGHTS-OF-WAY AND MUST BE LOCATED INTERNAL TO A PROPERTY.
>> WHY ARE WE SAYING THEN? [LAUGHTER]
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>> THAT WOULD BE INTERNAL TO THE SITE, SO WHEN YOU'RE DRIVING ALONG, THAT'S NOT THE FIRST THING THAT YOU SEE ALONG THE FRONT EDGE OF A COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT.
>> AT NORTHWESTERN HIGHWAY [OVERLAPPING].
>> I NEED TO SAY PUBLIC RIGHTS APPLIED?
>> WHILE AND IT'S LOCATED AT THE INTERNAL TO PROPERTY LIKE HOW FAR INTERNAL LIKE, JUST [OVERLAPPING]
>> ADJACENT TO, WELL, IT'S GOING TO BE A CONDITIONAL USE, SO WE'RE GOING TO SEE [OVERLAPPING].
>> IF ANY OF THEM ARE INSTALLED WITHIN 50 LINEAR FEET OF AN ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL USE OR DISTRICT SCREENING MUST BE PROVIDED CONSISTENT WITH OUR LOCATION OF REQUIRED SCREENING.
THAT'S OUR SCREENING AND FENCING STANDARD.
IF THEY NEED TO HAVE A FENCE OR A BERM OR A COMBINATION THEREOF.
ALL CHARGING STATIONS MUST BE SET BACK A MINIMUM OF 20 FEET FROM ADJACENT PROPERTY LINES WHEN THERE'S A TYPO HERE, WE WOULD PROMOTE THE WORK THE IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO A RESIDENTIAL USER DISTRICTS HAVE SCREENING AND THEN A MINIMUM 20 FOOT SETBACK IF THERE'S AN ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT.
NUMBER 8, WE HAVE ALL OF THE EV SUPPLY OF EQUIPMENT.
ALL THE ELECTRICAL EQUIPMENT THAT FEEDERS DISTRIBUTION EQUIPMENT SHOULD BE PLACED IN OPERATED FROM UNDERGROUND SOURCES, SO NOT ENROLLEE IN AN AERIAL MANNER, I'M SORRY, I'M TRYING TO SAY THE WORD.
BUT YOU DON'T WANT A WHOLE PROLIFERATION OF BURIAL TRANSFORMERS AND OTHER LINES IN ORDER TO SERVICE THEM BECAUSE IT'S JUST MORE CONVENIENT FOR THE ELECTRIC DELIVERY COMPANY OR THE COMPANY THAT'S INSTALLING AND MAINTAINING THE CHARGING STATION? ALSO THAT THOSE TRANSFORMERS SWITCH GEARS AND OTHER REQUIRED ELECTRICAL COMPONENTS OR HAD MOUNTED.
I ALSO HAVE MR. PAUL LEE HERE FROM PUBLIC WORKS WHO CAN SPEAK TO THAT.
HE HAS SOME EXPERIENCE WITH SOME OF THESE COMPANIES.
AND FIGURING OUT THE LOCATIONAL CRITERIA FOR THAT TYPE OF STRUCTURE. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? THEN NUMBER 9 IS THAT EVERY TIME THAT THEY APPLY FOR THE EV CHARGING STATIONS, BOTH THE CONDITIONAL USE AND THEN THE PERMIT, THEY WOULD NEED TO PROVIDE A UTILITY BOLSTERED LETTER FROM THE LOCAL ELECTRIC DELIVERY COMPANY DETAILING THE ABILITY FOR THAT COMPANY TO SERVE AS THE SITE.
WE NEED TO PROVIDE IT. THEY ACTUALLY DO THAT.
THEN I BELIEVE I MENTIONED IN THE AGENDA MEMO THAT ANY OF THE REQUIREMENTS SUCH AS BUILDING CODE OR FIRE CODE WOULD COVER PROHIBITION AND PARKING STRUCTURES ARE LIMITATIONS WITH THEM PARKING STRUCTURES AND THEN FOR THE REMOTE FILE BOX.
>> I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT INCLUDED HERE, EVEN THOUGH IT'S A DUPLICATION.
JUST SO WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE EV STUFF, BUT EVERYTHING IS THERE.
>> ON THE BREAK, CAN WE GO AHEAD AND HAVE STAYED ON THE COMPONENTS OF THE PAD MOUNTING AND SO FORTH.
I'M NOT REAL CLEAR ON WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.
>> ONE OF THE ENCORE AS THE ABILITY TO DO QUITE A BIT IN A RADICAL WAY WITHOUT US BEING ABLE TO CONTROL.
THE ONLY WAY WE HAVE ANY CONTROLS AS IF IT ISN'T SOMETHING.
WE CANNOT PUT RIGHT-OF-WAY ORDINANCES TO RESTRICT THINGS, WE HAD DISCUSSED AS WELL THAT WE DON'T WANT IS A BUNCH OF PATENT ON THINGS AND JUST JUNK CLUTTERING UP THE FRONT OF THINGS.
IT NEEDS TO BE THOUGHT OUT AS PART OF THE PLAN.
PUTTING IT ON A PAD AND OUT MEANS THAT THEY DON'T HAVE TO PROVIDE AN EASEMENT ON THE SITE FOR THOSE THINGS AND CARRIED OUT AT THE RIGHT-OF-WAY.
>> THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE'D HAVE TO IMPROVE AGAIN BECAUSE ANY OF THE CONDITION, THANK YOU.
>> ONE THING I WOULD LIKE TO MENTION, I WROTE IT TO THE DUPLICATION OF THE BUILDINGS REQUIRE FOR REQUIREMENTS, IS THAT THOSE CODES ARE GOING TO DEVELOP AND CHANGE OVER TIME AS TECHNOLOGY CHANGES, AND THAT WILL REQUIRE US TO GO BACK AND ADJUST THE ORDINANCE AT THAT OBVIOUSLY JUST TALKING TO PEOPLE.
>> YOU PROBABLY SHOULD, BUT IF IT DIDN'T NEED TO BE IN BOTH NOW, IT WOULDN'T NEED TO BE IN BOTH LATER.
>> WELL, COULD IT BE NUMBER SIX AND JUST BE CONSISTENT WITH SECTION SUCH AND SUCH AT CODE SUCH AND SUCH THAT REFERS BACK TO THAT. WHAT DO YOU NEED TO VERBALLY [INAUDIBLE].
>> WELL, I JUST THINK IF THEY LOOK AT EVERYTHING THEY NEED TO KNOW TOO HAVE TO UNDERSTAND AS MUCH SENSE TO ME.
WE HAVE OTHER DUPLICATIONS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, I JUST DON'T SEE THAT HURTS TO HAVE IT HERE.
>> WELL, IF THEY DON'T PASS THESE THINGS, WE SAY NO, AND THAT PAIN REALLY BECOMES IRRELEVANT, DOESN'T IT? BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET TO PUT IT ANYWAY.
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>> ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?
>> WE'VE TAKEN THEM TO BRING THIS BACK AT THE NOVEMBER MEETING, FROM THE REGULATORY THING SESSION IF YOU'D LIKE.
NOVEMBER 21ST, AND SO YOU WON'T BE HERE FOR THANKSGIVING.
[2. Conduct a briefing session to discuss all items scheduled on tonight’s agenda. No action will be taken. Each item will be considered during the Regular Session which immediately follows the Joint Public Hearings. ]
[BACKGROUND]>> WE HAVE THE TWO JOINT PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION THIS EVENING.
THE FIRST ONE IS WASHER STUFF AT 2201 IRA E.
WOODS PRESENT ZONES TO COMMUNITIES TO COMMERCIAL THIS IS EXISTING SELF-SERVICE CAR WASH.
MOST RECENTLY YOU'VE SEEN THIS ABOUT A YEAR AGO WHERE THEY ADDED IN A BLOWER SYSTEM TO BE AN AUTOMATED DRYING SITUATION WITHIN ONE OF THEIR EXISTING DAYS.
TODAY'S PART OF THIS NORTHWEST, THEY ARE ADDING OR REQUESTING TO ADD AN ICE VENDING MACHINE LOCATED AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF THE PROPERTY ADJACENT TO IRA E. WOODS.
YOU CAN SEE HERE OUTLINED IN YELLOW ON THE SITE PLAN.
THE ICE VENDING MACHINE IS 45 SQUARE FEET IN SIZE, BUT INFLOWS ON ALL FOUR SIDES BY A 208 SQUARE FOOT, 10-FOOT TALL MYSTERY ENCLOSURE.
THEN IT WILL HAVE A 13-FOOT TALL SAIL SHADE OVER IT, SO YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO SEE THE SKINNY END OF THE ENCLOSURE THAT IS ENCLOSING THAT PROPOSED ICE VENDING MACHINE.
THEN WE HAVE SOME OTHER ELEVATIONS AFTER THIS SLIDE, BUT IN THIS BACK SOUTH WESTERN CORNER, THEY ARE PROPOSING A 747 SQUARE FOOT SAIL SHADE NEAR THERE DOG WASHING AREA.
THIS IS AN ELEVATION SHOWING THE ENCLOSURE AND THE ICE VENDING MACHINE AT THAT NORTHEAST CORNER.
IT'S A LONG AND SKINNY ENCLOSURE WITH THE SAIL SHADE ABOVE IT.
IT'S BEHIND THE 25 FOOT FRONT BUILDING LINE ALONG IRA E. WOODS, AND IF YOU LOOK HERE, THIS IS THE SIDE THAT WE'D BE FACING IRA E. WOODS.
DOWN HERE IT'S FROM IRA E. WOODS, IT LOOK LIKE BRICK.
THEN THE SAIL SHADE ELEVATION FROM THAT SOUTH WESTERN CORNER ON CONCRETE REBAR CASEMENT TO PROVIDE A SHADE AREA IN THAT PATHWAY.
>> I HAVEN'T SEEN ANYTHING IN MATERIALS THAT TALKS ABOUT THE TRAFFIC CHATTER.
IF ALL YOU WANT IS THIS ICE, CAN REALLY MOVE HIGH, THIS HIGH [INAUDIBLE] THAT'S WHERE IT'S MERCY WE'LL BECOMING IN [INAUDIBLE].
>> NATASHA, CAN YOU SPEAK TO THE TRAFFIC PATTERN.
>> YOU ARE CORRECT. EXACTLY WHAT YOU SAID, THIS LITTLE 1, 2, 3, 4, 5.
THEY WOULD BE COMING IN THE UNIT CIRCLE AND GOING OUT THE SAME WAY.
>> IT'S ALMOST LIKE A STORAGE BUILDING WITH NO ROOF.
DO WE HAVE ANYTHING LIKE THAT IN TOWN?
>> WHAT IS THE MATERIAL ON THAT?
>> IT'S A MATERIAL FOR THE EXTERIOR.
>> IT'S LIKE A HAIL NET THAT WE SEE AS THE CAR LOT.
>> THEN THE REST OF THE MATERIAL ON THE BUILDING?
>> THERE'S NO STRUCTURE ON TOP OF IT.
>> CORRECT, THERE IS JUST THE SHADE STRUCTURE, THAT'S CORRECT.
>> IT'S A LARGE STORAGE AREA JUST FOR ICE MACHINE TRYING TO FIT UP.
>> WELL, I'M TRYING TO WRAP MY HEAD AROUND THE WHOLE SPACE.
>> THE ICE VENDING DEVICE, THE WHOLE POINT WAS TO HAVE IT PERMANENTLY SCREENED WITH THIS MASONRY EXTERIOR, AND SO THAT ENCOMPASSES THE SIZE OF THIS ICE VENDING DEVICE.
IF ANY OF YOU HAVE SEEN TWICE THE ICE TYPE OF VENDING MACHINES, THIS IS SIMILAR, BUT OF COURSE NOT THE SAME.
FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU WANTED TO ENCLOSE ONE OF THOSE TWICE THE ICE MACHINES, IT WOULD BE A PRETTY LARGE ENCLOSURE, AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE.
WE'VE ALSO INCLUDED OR THE APPLICANT HAS INCLUDED THIS SHADE STRUCTURE FOR THE PURPOSES THAT THEY NEED THAT SHADING STRUCTURE.
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>> AS I LOOK AT THIS DIAGRAM, THE BOX ITSELF IS 10 FOOT.
YOU ADD THE SHADE ON TOP OF IT, AND IT'S 13, IS THAT HOW I READ IT?
YOU'RE CORRECT. THIS MACHINE IS VASOLICED OR IS IT.
>> WE WILL GET INTO THE DETAILS, OR THE APPLICANT CAN SPEAK TO THAT.
IT COULD BE CUBED OR IT COULD BE A BLOCK, BUT WE DIDN'T GET INTO THE DETAILS OF THE TYPE OF FENCE.
>> USUALLY THEY HAVE SPIT IT OUT INTO YOUR ASS.
LET ME USE A ONE WEEK BUT SOME OF THE PLACES. [INAUDIBLE]
>> IT'S NOT UNUSUAL FOR A LOT OF SMALL TOWNS, ESPECIALLY OUT WEST TEXAS TO SEE THESE EVERYWHERE.
I'M JUST NOT SURE, I'VE SEEN YOU IN THE AREA CAR WASH.
IT JUST SEEMS CONTRARY TO THE BUSINESS.
>> USUALLY THERE, YOU SEE HIM.
I'VE EVEN SEEN LIKE IN PARKING LOTS OF STORE OR NOT.
>> IT'S A PRETTY AGGRESSIVE HIGHWAY THERE IN AND OUT, ESPECIALLY THOSE LOCATIONS.
I KNOW IT'S FINE, I'M JUST SAYING WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING IN THE ORDINANCE THAT ADDRESSES THAT THING AT ALL.
IT JUST SEEMS LIKE IT'S MORE OF A CONVENIENCE THING, IT JUST DOES THE SAME THE ONLY SEE WITH A CAR WASH OUTLOOK.
>> YOU JUST SAW, I'M UNDERSTANDING.
THIS IS LIKE YOU TAKE A ICE VENDING MACHINE, BUILD A BRIDGE ENCLOSURE AROUND IT WITH NO ROPE AT ALL EXCEPT FOR THE SAME SHAPE, UNDERSTOOD.
>> I ONLY BOUGHT ONE OF THOSE, AND SOMETIMES THEY'RE A LITTLE TRASHY AROUND THEM BECAUSE THEY'RE ALL THE BAGS.
>> WELL, JUST KEEP IN MIND THAT THIS WALL WATCH HERE IS ATTENDED.
>> THAT BECAUSE YOU HAVE DISEASE ARE USUALLY LACKING SOME PARKING LOT BY THEMSELVES.
>> MY ONLY ISSUE IS THE TRASHING AND SOMETIMES IN THE BAG, PUT IT IN THERE THAT DAY.
IF I HAVE SOMEBODY THERE AND THEN THAT WILL HELP THAT ISSUE.
>> BUT IT'S NOT GOING TO HELP THE CONGESTION.
>> PEOPLE WOULD PARK THEIR CARS AND HONESTLY, IT'S 1, 2 OR 3.
THE STOP PROPHESIED, HE PLUCKS ICE CHEST BECAUSE OTHERWISE IT WOULD BE SPINS IT IN,.
>> BUT YOU MIGHT HAVE A BOWL ATTACHED TO IT, OR IT MIGHT BE AN RB.
>> I UNDERSTAND, BUT DO WE [INAUDIBLE].
>> WELL, WE'D ASK THEM TO PROVIDE A PHOTOMETRIC PLAN, AND A PHOTOMETRIC PLAN MEETS THE REQUIREMENT.
ONCE AGAIN, I FALL BACK TO THE TWICE THE ICE MACHINES.
THEY ARE LIT JUST TO THE EXTENT THAT YOUR CUSTOMERS NEED TO BE ABLE TO READ WHAT'S ON THE SIDES.
>> A QUESTION ON THAT, I THINK TO THE BACK, THAT'S JUST GOING TO BE AN OPEN AREA OF PUTTING THE SAIL SHADE OVER.
>> IF YOU HAD VISITED THAT LOCATION, THAT'S JUST THE OPEN-AIR GRAPHS.
THE APPLICANT IS PROVIDING THAT AMENITY FOR CUSTOMERS OF THE CAR WASH OR DOLL WASH OR WHATEVER ELSE GOES ON WITH THE WASHING BUSINESS.
>> THE NEXT JOINT PUBLIC HEARING ITEM IS BOTH A ZONE CHANGE REQUEST.
THEY REQUEST TO REZONE 11.24 ACRES IMMEDIATELY NORTH OF 1,600 NORTHWEST HIGHWAY FROM PROFESSIONAL OFFICE WILL BE OUR SEVEN AND A HALF SINGLE-FAMILY DISTRICT AND R-5.0, LOT- LINE DISTRICT WITH THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT OVERLAID TO DEVELOP 32 SINGLE-FAMILY DETACHED LOTS AND ONE OPEN SPACE/COMMON AREA A LOT.
THE PDO OVERLAY IS TO ALLOW FOR PRIVATE STREETS FOR THE LOT- LINE TO ALSO BE SYNONYMOUS WITH THE CENTER LINE OF THE PRIVATE STREET
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IN FRONT OF THE FRONT YARD SETBACKS TO MAKE MEASURED FROM THE CENTER LINE OF THAT TREE, THUS REDUCING REQUIRED FRONT YARD SETBACKS FOR THOSE TWO DISTRICTS.WE DID RECEIVE A REQUEST FROM THE APPLICANT.
SOME MAKE US WITH EACH CRAIG DEVELOPMENT, LLC, YESTERDAY REQUESTING THAT THE COMMISSION AND COUNCIL TABLE, BOTH THE ZONE CHANGE IN PLANNED DEVELOPMENT OVERLAY TO YOUR JOINT MEETING ON NOVEMBER 21ST, 2023. WE'VE ALSO PROVIDED YOU WITH, WE'VE RECEIVED QUITE A BIT OF PUBLIC NOTIFICATION RESPONSES, BOTH WITHIN THE 200 FOOT NOTIFICATION BOUNDARY.
THE OFFICIAL PROPERTY OWNER NOTIFICATIONS THAT WERE RETURNED.
THERE IS COVER SHEETS AND SUB SHEETS WITHIN THIS PACKET, WE'VE ALSO EVERY OTHER AMOUNT OF CORRESPONDENTS WITHIN THE 200-FOOT, COULD BE AN EMAIL OR PETITION SIGNATURE, AND THEN ALL OTHER CORRESPONDENCE FROM PETITIONS AND LETTERS AND SUPPORT ARE WITHIN THIS PACKET THAT HAS THE GREEN PAPER.
ON TOP OF THAT, YOU'LL ALSO FIND TWO OTHER LETTERS OF OPPOSITION THAT INCREASE THE OVERALL AMOUNT WITHIN THE 200 FOOT NOTIFICATION BOUNDARY FROM 28-30% IN OPPOSITION WITHIN THAT GEOGRAPHIC AREA.
WE JUST WANTED TO MAKE YOU AWARE OF THIS AND PROVIDE THIS TO YOU.
THIS IS ALSO BEEN PROVIDED TO CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS.
>> DO WE KNOW WHY THEY ARE TABLING?
>> WITHIN THEIR LETTER, THEY DID NOT GIVE A REASON.
HOWEVER, I BELIEVE THAT THEY ARE WORKING ON THE PRIVATE STREET AND LOT LINES AND TRYING TO MOVE IN SOME INSTANCES, SPECIFICALLY FOR THE R-7.5 LOTS TO MOVE THOSE FROM LOT LINES OUT OF THE CENTER LINE OF THE STREET SO THEN THE STREET IS NO LONGER PART OF THOSE LOTS.
>> YOU ANTICIPATE A WHOLE NEW PLAN OR SOME CHANGES TO THE PLAN?
>> [INAUDIBLE] ALSO IT HAS TO BE TABLED WITH THEM.
>> I THOUGHT THERE WAS TWO LETTERS.
>> IF WE AGREE TO TABLE THIS OR CONSIDER TABLING, WILL MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC BE ASKED FOR COMMENTS ON THAT? I DON'T REMEMBER THE PUBLIC EVER BEING ASKED TO COMMENT ON TAKEAWAY.
BUT THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME [OVERLAPPING] BACK FOR THE NEXT.
THERE WOULD BE THEIR NOTICE TO COME BACK FOR THE NEXT.
>> BUT THE PUBLIC DOESN'T HAVE [OVERLAPPING] A COMMENT ON A MOTION, JUST ON THE MOTION TO TABLE ITSELF.
>> WILL THE PUBLIC HAVE TO RESUBMIT ALL THIS?
>> NO, THIS WILL CARRY FORWARD.
>> THEY JUST HAVE TO SHOW UP ON THANKSGIVING?
>> [OVERLAPPING] THE PROFESSIONAL BUILDINGS THAT ARE THERE, ARE THEY OWNER-OCCUPIED OR BY POINT, HAVE ANY THE OCCUPANTS OF THE PROFESSIONALS OFFICES PROTESTED?
>> THE HUBBLE DDS ADDITION IS A SEPARATE LOT.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE COVER SHEET, THAT'S JUST REGULAR WHITE OFFICE PAPER.
WE DID RECEIVE A RESPONSE FROM THEM IN OPPOSITION, BUT THE REST OF THE REMAINDER OF THAT LOT, BECAUSE THIS PROPERTY IS ACTUALLY PROPOSED TO BE REPLOTTED TO BREAK IT OFF FROM THE EXISTING PROFESSIONAL MEDICAL OFFICE DEVELOPMENT.
[OVERLAPPING] THIS WAS THE SETTLEMENT OF THE PROPERTY. [OVERLAPPING]
>> I WILL ADJOURN THE BRIEFING.
>> COMING FROM EXECUTIVE SESSION THAT BEGAN ABOUT SEVEN O'CLOCK, ANY ACTION THAT THE COUNCIL HAS RESOLVED WITH EXECUTIVE SESSION?
>> THAT COMPLETES THE EXECUTIVE CHECKS.
>> WE WILL CALL THE 17TH MEETING TO ORDER AND ASK YOU TO RISE FOR THE INVOCATION AND PLEDGE, COMMISSIONER DAVID HALLBERG.
>> LET US PRAY. HEAVENLY FATHER, WE GIVE YOU THANKS FOR THE MANY FREEDOMS AND BLESSINGS THAT WE HAVE IN THIS NATION.
WE ARE ESPECIALLY GRATEFUL TO ENJOY THOSE FREEDOMS IN OUR HOME GRAPEVINE.
TONIGHT WE'RE GATHERED TO DELIBERATE ISSUES
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THAT WILL AFFECT ALL OF THE CITIZENS OF GRAPEVINE.HELP US TO MAKE WISE AND PRUDENT DECISIONS THAT WILL BENEFIT ALL IN OUR COMMUNITY.
FATHER, IN A WORLD IN CONFLICT, WE PRAY THAT COOLER HEADS WILL PREVAIL AND WE CAN FIND SOLUTIONS THAT STOP THE CYCLE OF HATE, VIOLENCE, AND EVIL.
WE ESPECIALLY ASK YOU TO WATCH OVER OUR MEN AND WOMEN IN SERVICE.
WE PRAY FOR THEIR SAFE RETURN FROM THEIR TASK OF KEEPING US SAFE.
IN CHRIST'S NAME, WE PRAY, AMEN.
>> I'D LIKE TO WELCOME YOU TO OUR MEETING TONIGHT.
WE FIRST HAVE A PROCLAMATION EVENT AND AFTER THAT,
[4. Mayor to present a proclamation recognizing October as National Community Planning Month. ]
WE HAVE JOINT MEETINGS BETWEEN THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AND THE COUNCIL.WE HAVE TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS THAT ARE ADVERTISED.
I WILL GET TO THAT IN A MINUTE.
CHANGE IS CONSTANT AND AFFECTS ALL CITIES, TOWNS, SUBURBS, COUNTIES, BURROWS, TOWNSHIPS, RURAL AREAS, AND OTHER PLACES.
COMMUNITY PLANNING AND PLANS CAN HELP MANAGE THIS CHANGE IN WAYS THAT PROVIDES BETTER CHOICES FOR HOW PEOPLE WORK AND LIVE.
COMMUNITY PLANNING PROVIDES AN OPPORTUNITY FOR ALL RESIDENTS TO BE MEANINGFULLY INVOLVED, MAKING CHOICES THAT DETERMINE THE FUTURE OF THEIR COMMUNITY.
FULL BENEFITS OF PLANNING REQUIRES PUBLIC OFFICIALS AND CITIZENS WHO UNDERSTAND AND SUPPORT DEMAND EXCELLENCE IN PLANNING AND PLAN IMPLEMENTATION.
THE MONTH OF OCTOBER IS DESIGNATED AS NATIONAL COMMUNITY PLANNING MONTH THROUGHOUT THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
A CELEBRATION OF NATIONAL COMMUNITY PLANNING MONTH GIVES US THE OPPORTUNITY TO PUBLICLY RECOGNIZE THE PARTICIPATION AND DEDICATION OF THE MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING ZONING COMMISSIONS AND OTHER CITY PLANNERS WHO HAVE CONTRIBUTED THEIR TIME AND EXPERTISE TO THE IMPROVEMENT OF THE CITY OF GRAPEVINE, TEXAS.
THEREFORE, AS YOUR MAYOR, IN VIRTUE OF THE AUTHORITY VESTED IN ME, I PROCLAIM OCTOBER 2023 AS THE NATIONAL COMMUNITY PLANNING MONTH, I RECOGNIZE MANY VALUABLE CONTRIBUTIONS MADE BY PROFESSIONAL COMMUNITY AND REGIONAL PLANNERS OF THE DALLAS-FORT AREA AND THROUGHOUT THE STATE OF TEXAS AND EXTEND OUR HEARTFELT THANKS FOR THE CONTINUED COMMITMENT TO PUBLIC SERVICE BY THESE PROFESSIONALS THAT IT MADE OUR COMMUNITIES SO GREAT.
I BELIEVE CHAIRMAN OLIVER AND VICE CHAIRMAN MONICA HOTELLING ARE GOING TO ACCEPT THE PROCLAMATION.
MR. CHAIRMAN, DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS?
>> NO, SIR. I CERTAINLY APPRECIATE THE RECOGNITION.
SOMETIMES IT MIGHT NOT APPEAR THAT WAY, BUT WE GIVE IT ALL WE GOT AND I APPRECIATE THE RECOGNITION THIS EVENING.
NEXT, WE HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARINGS.
THE SEAT WILL BE THAT WE WILL DECLARE OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
WE WILL ASK THE CITY STAFF TO ANNOUNCE REQUESTS THAT'S BEEN MADE.
WE WILL GIVE THE APPLICANT A REASONABLE OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE THEIR PRESENTATION.
IF ANY GUESTS PRESENT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THE APPLICATION, YOU NEED TO REGISTER WITH MS. TARA BROOKS, OUR CITY'S SECRETARY.
SHE WILL CALL ON YOU IN THE ORDER THAT YOU HAVE REGISTERED.
AFTER THE EVIDENCE IS TAKEN, THE PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE CLOSED.
ULTIMATELY, THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION WILL SEPARATE IN A SEPARATE MEETING AND DISCUSS THE MERITS OF THE APPLICATION, MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE COUNCIL, WE'LL HEAR THOSE LATER TONIGHT.
AFTER WHICH TIME THE COUNCIL WILL ALSO CONSIDER ITS PUBLISHED AGENDA.
WE'LL BEGIN BY OPENING A PUBLIC HEARING ON CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT CU23-28. [INAUDIBLE]
[5. Conditional Use Permit CU23-28 (Wash Your Stuff) – City Council and Planning and Zoning Commission to conduct a public hearing relative to an application submitted by Islam Shahin requesting conditional use permit to amend the previously approved site plan CU21-27 (Ordinance No. 2022-012) to allow for the development of a car wash facility. This request is specifically to add an ice vending machine to the northeast corner of the property adjacent to Ira E. Woods Avenue and for the addition of a shade structure to the existing dog wash area adjacent to the south car wash building elevation. The subject property is located at 2201 Ira E. Woods Avenue and is currently zoned “CC”, Community Commercial District.]
>>> GOOD EVENING, HONORABLE MAYOR, MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL, CHAIRMAN OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.
THIS REQUEST FOR WASH YOUR STUFF IS TO AMEND THEIR PREVIOUSLY APPROVED SITE PLAN OF CONDITIONAL USE 21-27, WHICH WAS TO ALLOW THE DEVELOPMENT OF A SELF-SERVICE CAR WASH FACILITY.
THIS REQUEST BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING IS TO SPECIFICALLY ADD AN ICE VENDING MACHINE TO THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF THE PROPERTY ADJACENT TO THE IRA E.
WOODS FRONTAGE AND FOR THE ADDITION OF A SHADE STRUCTURE TO THE EXISTING DOG WASH AREA ADJACENT TO THE SOUTH BUILDING ELEVATION.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS PRESENTLY ZONE CC OR COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL DISTRICT AND IS AN OPERATING SELF-SERVICE CAR WASH.
THE APPLICANT INTENDS TO ADD A 45 SQUARE-FOOT ICE VENDING MACHINE LOCATED AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF THE SITE.
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IT WILL BE ENCASED BY A 208 SQUARE FOOT ENCLOSURE, WHICH WILL BE 10 FEET TALL AND HAVE MASONRY MATERIALS.ABOVE IT WILL BE A 13-FOOT-TALL SAIL SHADE TO PROTECT IT FROM THE ELEMENTS SUCH AS HAIL, RAIN, AND SNOW.
THE APPLICANT ALSO INTENDS TO ADD AN 11-FOOT TALL 747 SQUARE-FOOT SAIL SHADE ATOP OF THE EXISTING OPEN SPACE TO THE REAR YARD ADJACENT TO THE EXISTING DOG WASH AREA AT THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF THE PROPERTY.
THE SUBJECT SITE HAS SHARED ACCESS LOCATED AT THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF THE SITE, WHICH WILL CONTINUE TO REMAIN AND PROVIDE ACCESS TO IRA E. WOODS AVENUE.
ON THE SITE PLAN BEFORE YOU ON THE SCREEN, YOU'LL SEE THE EXISTING PATH OF TRAVEL FROM IRA E. WOODS AROUND THE CAR WASH FACILITY.
THERE IS A TWO-WAY DIRECTIONAL TRAVEL ADJACENT TO THE PROPOSED ICE VENDING MACHINE AT THAT NORTHEAST CORNER.
NO OTHER CHANGES ARE PROPOSED TO THE SITE PLAN FOR ACCESS, SIGNAGE, OR ANY OTHER FACTORS ON-SITE.
THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE, MR. ISLAM SHAHIN, IS HERE THIS EVENING.
HE'S PREPARED A PRESENTATION AND IS AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS THAT THE COUNCIL AND COMMISSION MAY HAVE.
MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBERS AND PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSIONERS.
FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO HAVE VISITED MY LOCATION, IT'S A WASHER STUFF IN GRAPEVINE.
WE ALSO HAVE ANOTHER LOCATION IN KELLER.
WE ARE A SELF-SERVICE CAR WASH. WE ALSO HAVE TOUCH BAY FACILITY FOR AUTOMATIC WASHING AS WELL.
WE ALSO ARE A DOG WASH OR PET WASH AND A PARK.
THIS IS A PICTURE OF OUR CURRENT FACILITY RIGHT NOW.
YOU CAN SEE EVERYTHING THAT WE HAVE THERE AND NOT SUMMARY SLIDES.
IT WAS TAKEN IN THE WINTER WHEN THE GRASS WAS THAT THAT'S THE LOWER RIGHT-HAND CORNER FOR THE GRASS.
BUT ESSENTIALLY THE PROPOSALS ARE ACCURATE, WHICH WAS DESCRIBED ESSENTIALLY, WE'RE ADDING TWO STRUCTURES, ONE OF THEM IS IN THE NORTHEAST PROPERTY AND THAT IS FOR AN ICE/VENDING MACHINE ENCLOSURE WITH A SAIL SHADE.
ONE THING ABOUT THE SAIL SHADE MAYBE I SHOULD GO BACK AND ADDITIONAL SLIDE DOESN'T REALLY SHOW IT IN THIS PICTURE HERE, BUT THE ENTIRE FACILITY HAS A BUNCH OF SAIL SHADES.
YOU CAN SEE IN THE LOWER CORNER, BLUE-COLORED CANOPY THAT COVERS THE CHANGE MACHINES.
IT BLENDS IN WITH THE FACADE AND THE DECLARATION OF THE ENTIRE PROPERTY.
OUR VACUUM AREAS ARE ALL SAIL SHADES.
OUR DOG, WASHING AREAS ARE ALL SAIL SHADES.
THEN THE VENDING AREA WILL ALSO BE A SAIL SHADE AS WELL.
SAME COLOR, SAME SIMILAR MATERIAL.
THEN THE REAR STRUCTURE, WHICH IS IN THE SOUTH WEST PORTION OF THE PROPERTY, IS ALSO GOING TO BE THE SAME COLOR, BLUE SAIL SHADE AND THAT'S REALLY ONLY TO PROVIDE SHADE WITH THE TEXAS SUN TO OUR DOG PARK CUSTOMERS.
AS THEY'RE RUNNING AROUND WITH THEIR PETS THEY'LL BE A LARGE AREA THAT THEY CAN CONGLOMERATE AND TALK OR SPEND AND COOL OFF IN THE SUMMER.
THERE WERE SOME QUESTIONS IN THE PRIOR MEETING THAT WERE BROUGHT UP AS FAR AS BIDIRECTIONAL FLOW OF TRAFFIC, THE SPACE DOES ACCOMMODATE FOR THAT.
AS A MATTER OF FACT, THAT THE DISTANCE, I DON'T THINK THE POINTER WILL WORK ON THIS SCREEN.
BUT FROM THE EDGE OF THE BUILDING TO THE EDGE OF THE ENCLOSURE STRUCTURE IS ABOUT 29 FEET.
THERE'S A BIG PORTION OF OUR CUSTOMER BASE THAT ACTUALLY PULLED TRAILERS AND HAVE RVS, CAMPERS, AND THEY WASH THEIR VEHICLES IN OUR BASE, ESPECIALLY BAY ONE AND TWO WHICH IS ABOUT 14 FEET IN HEIGHT.
THEY WASH THEM SEVERAL TIMES THEY DO GO AROUND BIDIRECTIONAL FLOW AROUND THE PROPERTY.
WE FEEL LIKE THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE ANY TRAFFIC ISSUES.
WE'RE LUCKY TO HAVE A LARGE SPACE.
THIS IS TO SUMMARIZE WHAT THE ENCLOSURE IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE.
IT'S BASICALLY A BREAK-IN CLOSURE WHICH WAS ONE OF MASONRY AND CLOSER, WHICH IS ONE OF THE REQUIREMENTS THAT THE CITY OF GRAPEVINE REQUIRED.
SOMEONE BROUGHT THE COMMENT UP THAT WELL, THIS GRAPHIC ONLY SHOWS ONE TYPE OF MACHINE,
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THE SIZE OF ONE TYPE OF MACHINE THAT'S AVAILABLE RIGHT NOW.WE'RE BUILDING IT TO ACCOMMODATE IF THE MODELS CHANGE OR IF WE HAVE TO CHANGE THE MACHINE, OR ALSO FOR POTENTIAL FUTURE EXPANSION OF A TYPICALLY WHEN YOU PUT AN ICE MACHINE LIKE THIS IN THE SUMMER TIME, LET'S SAY THERE IS HIGH DEMAND.
WE DON T KNOW IF THE CITY OF GRAPEVINE WILL HAVE HIGH DEMAND, BUT IF IT DOES, WE CAN PUT AN ADJACENT ONE NEXT TO IT.
PLUS WE ALSO NEED SPACE FOR TRASH CANS.
THAT WAS A QUESTION THAT WAS BROUGHT UP AS LIKE WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO WITH THE EXTRA SPACE.
THERE WILL BE TRASH CANS IN THERE TO PREVENT ANY BAGS FROM BLOWING AROUND.
ALSO, WE NEED SPACE TO SERVICE THE MACHINE AND IT'S USUALLY GOING TO BE ON BOTH SIDES SO ACCESS, SO IF THERE'S A WHENEVER IT NEEDS TO BE, THE FILTERS NEEDS TO BE CLEANED OR A PIECE OF EQUIPMENT NEEDS TO BE REPAIRED.
THE SERVICE PERSON HAS TO GO IN AND OTHER RIGHT OR THE LEFT OF THE MACHINES SO WE NEED TO ACCOMMODATE THREE FEET ON BOTH SIDES OF THE PIECE OF EQUIPMENT.
THE ROOF OF IT WAS BROUGHT UP.
IT'S THE SAIL SHADE BY DESIGNED.
BY PURPOSE, IT'S ACTUALLY PROBABLY WOULD HAVE BEEN LESS EXPENSIVE TO DO OUR PANEL, BUT WE BELIEVE THAT IT WILL ACTUALLY LOOK NICER FOR OUR FACILITY IF WE CONTINUE THE THEME OF THE SAIL SHADES SUMMARY, TO KEEP IT AS A SAIL SHADE APPEARANCE.
THIS IS THE SAIL SHADE THAT'S THAT'S GOING TO BE IN THE BACK.
ESSENTIALLY ALSO FOUR POSTS I'M ABLE TO WITHSTAND HIGH WINDS AND BASICALLY THE SOLE PURPOSE OF THAT IS TO PROVIDE SHADE FOR OUR PET WASH CUSTOMERS AND PET PARK CUSTOMERS.
I THINK THAT'S IT FOR MY PRESENTATION.
>> IF YOU WOULD, TELL US A BIT MORE ABOUT THE ICE MACHINE ITSELF, IS IT CUBES, ARE THEY IN BAGS?
>> I'M GOING TO DEFER THAT QUESTION TO MY PARTNER, WILLIE DANIEL.
HE'S A PARTNERING WITH ME ON THIS PROJECT AND HE PROBABLY KNOWS MORE ABOUT ICE MACHINES THAN ANYONE THAT I KNOW SO GO AHEAD WILLIE WANTING TO COME TO THE MIC.
>> HI, MY NAME IS WILLIE DANIEL.
I'M ON SEVERAL OF THESE ICE KIOSK.
THE KIOSK THAT WE HAVE IN MIND FOR THIS LOCATION, COOLER ICE, IM1500 IT DOES BAG THE ICE.
YOU CAN EITHER VIN ONE BAG OR TWO BAGS AND THEN IT COUNSELS THE TRANSACTION AND YOU WOULD MAKE ANOTHER TRANSACTION.
ALSO, THIS MACHINE HAS A REVERSE OSMOSIS WATER FILTRATION IN IT SO YOU CAN ALSO SELL WATER IN EITHER ONE GALLON INCREMENTS OR FIVE-GALLON TO IF YOU HAVE THOSE AS YOU'VE SEEN, THOSE FIVE-GALLON WATER COOLERS THAT YOU SEE IN OFFICE DISPENSERS.
>> I'VE GOT A QUESTION SO YOU BASICALLY YOU SAID THAT THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE A DOOR ON THE ICE MACHINE BUILDING, BUT THERE'S THREE FEET ON EACH SIDE OF THE ICE MACHINE TO GO TO GET INTO THE BACK OF IT. IS THAT WHAT YOU SAID?
>> ON THE SIDES FOR MAINTAINING IT AND ALSO FOR AIRFLOW, IT REQUIRES A SPACE AROUND IT.
TYPICALLY THESE MACHINES ARE ACTUALLY STANDALONE.
TYPICALLY, THIS MACHINE DOES NOT REQUIRE AN ENCLOSURE.
AT MY FIRST QUESTION TO PLANNING AND ZONING WAS, HEY, CAN I PUT UP THIS ICE MACHINE? IT COMES WITH ITS OWN CANOPY.
IT WOULD BE MUCH LESS EXPENSIVE IF THE ANSWER WAS YES, BUT THE ANSWER WAS NO.
THE ANSWER WAS I HAVE TO ENCLOSE IT AND THEN OF COURSE, WHAT ARE THE ENCLOSURE REQUIREMENTS? IT HAS TO BE BRICK MASONRY.
DOES THE MACHINE NEEDED? THE ANSWER IS NO.
BUT FOR THE AESTHETIC APPEARANCE OF THE CITY OF GRAPEVINE, FOR THE REQUIREMENTS.
I THINK IT'S PROBABLY WISE TO DO IT THE RIGHT WAY AND TO PUT THE ENCLOSURE WITH MASONRY THAT'S GOING TO BE MATCHING THE MASONRY OF THE BUILDING.
IT WILL PROBABLY HAVE AN ADDED BENEFIT IS THAT NO ONE IS GOING TO SEE THE BACK OF THE MACHINE, WHICH IS PROBABLY NOT AS GOOD LOOKING AS THE FRONT OF THE MACHINE.
PLUS WOULD BE ABLE TO HOUSE OUR TRASH CANS SO I THINK IT DOES HAVE A LOT OF VERY GOOD BENEFITS.
>> IT'LL HOUSE THE TRASH CANS SO THE REST OF THAT IT'S A BIG BUILDING, SO THE REST OF IT'S OPEN INSIDE AND SO YOU'LL HAVE TRASH CANS IN THERE AND SO FORTH.
>> THE TRASH CANS ARE GOING TO BE IN THERE.
THE THREE FEET SPACE AROUND THE MACHINE IS ALSO GOING TO ENCLOSE THAT SPACE.
I THINK THIS WAS BROUGHT ACTUALLY IN A PRIOR MEETING SOMEONE SAID, WEIRD TO HAVE A CAR WASH THAT ALSO HAS AN ICE MACHINE.
FOR THOSE OF YOU VISITED MY LOCATION,
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OUR BUSINESS APPEALS TO A LOT OF OUTDOOR PEOPLE.DO IT YOURSELF TYPE OF PEOPLE, PEOPLE THAT WANT TO GO CAMPING OR RV TRIPPING OR ON AN RV TRIP OR GO TO THE LAKE, THEY'LL TAKE THEIR BOAT, THEY'LL WASH IT AT MY FACILITY, BUT THOSE PEOPLE ARE ACTUALLY GOING TO ALSO WANT TO SOMETIMES GET SOME ICE AND PUT IT IN AN ICE CHEST OR PACK ICE BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO A PARTY, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A PICNIC.
WE FEEL THAT THEY ALMOST GO HAND IN HAND.
>> TRASH CANS AND YET I SEE ON THE DRAWING THAT THERE IS APPARENTLY A DUMPSTER ON THERE AND AN ENCLOSURE [NOISE] BACK BY THE PROPOSED SALE SHADE.
>> THE DUMPSTER? YES. THERE'S A DUMPSTER.
>> YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TRASH CANS UP BY THE ICE MACHINE OR IN THE BUILDING BY THE ICE MACHINE ALSO?
>> THE TRASH CANS, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THEM INSIDE OF THAT ENCLOSURE SO THAT THEY'RE NOT VISIBLE FROM THE STREET.
>> WE HAVE ENOUGH SPACE TO ACCOMMODATE.
IF WE WANTED TO PUT ANOTHER MACHINE WITH THE REQUIRED SPACE AROUND IT PLUS TRASH CANS, WE WOULD HAVE PLENTY OF SPACE TO DO THAT.
>> YOU HAVE TRASH CANS IN THE BASE WHERE PEOPLE WASH THEIR VEHICLES?
>> YES, WE DO. NOT INSIDE THE BASE.
>> AND ARE THOSE THE TRASH CANS THAT YOU THEN PUT UP IN THE ICE MACHINE BUILDING?
>> THERE WILL BE DIFFERENT TRASH CANS.
IF YOU NOTICE THE ENTIRE LOCATION, WE HAVE THEM NUMBERED.
THERE'S BAY 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8. THERE'S EIGHT BAYS.
BETWEEN EACH BAY THERE'S A TRASH CAN AT THE BACKSIDE OF EACH BAY BETWEEN THE TWO BAYS SO THAT IF A CUSTOMER IS CLEANING THEIR CAR AND THEY HAVE SOME TRASH ON THE CAR, THEY CAN WALK TO THE TRASH CAN AND DISCARD THEIR TRASH.
THE VACUUMS ALSO HAVE, THERE'S 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8 VACUUMS, AND THEY'RE ALSO ON THE BACKSIDE OF THE VACUUMS THERE'S A TRASH CAN FOR EACH FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE VACUUMING THEIR VEHICLES AS WELL.
NOW, THE ENTIRE PROPERTY FOR OUR CLEANING PERSON TO TAKE CARE AND MAINTAIN THE PROPERTY.
HE WILL THEN EMPTY ALL THE TRASH INTO THE DUMPSTER ENCLOSURE, WHICH IS ON THE SOUTHWEST SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
>> THAT IS ALSO ENCLOSED BY MASONRY, BUT THERE'S A FENCE THAT SEPARATES THAT FROM THE DOG PARK.
>> [NOISE] THANK YOU. I UNDERSTAND NOW. THANK YOU.
>> I HAVE A QUESTION THAT I DIDN'T THINK IT WAS KIND OF AN INTERESTING COMBINATION DATA.
I DON'T TRADITIONALLY THINK OF A CAR WASHES HAVING A NICE MACHINE I CAN SEE, BUT I'M NOT A CAMPER, SO THAT MIGHT BE WHY I DIDN'T THINK OF THAT.
[NOISE] I'M CURIOUS, HOW ARE YOU GOING OTHER THAN YOUR CUSTOMERS WHO COME IN AND THEY'RE WASHING THEIR CAR AND THEY SAY, THERE'S AN ICE MACHINE.
ARE YOU GOING TO HAVE SIGNAGE OR HOW ARE YOU GOING TO ADVERTISE FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE JUST DRIVING ALONG THE STREET THERE IN FRONT TO THINK, WELL, I NEED TO GET SOME ICE.
ARE YOU PLANNING ON TRYING TO ADVERTISE THAT IN A DIFFERENT WAY? HOW ARE YOU GOING TO DO THAT?
>> THERE'S MULTIPLE WAYS TO ADVERTISE, BUT YES, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE A SIGN THAT'S GOING TO TELL PEOPLE THAT, HEY, THIS IS AN ICE AND FILTERED WATER MACHINE AND WE'LL MAKE SURE TO FOLLOW THE SIGN PROTOCOLS FOR THE CITY OF GRAPEVINE.
BUT YES, THERE WILL BE ASSIGNED PROBABLY ON THE BRICK MASONRY ON THE OUTSIDE PLUS THE ACTUAL ICE MACHINE ITSELF COMES WHEN WE PURCHASE IT WITH THE GRAPHICS ON TOP OF IT TELLING PEOPLE THAT THIS IS AN ICE AND WATER MACHINE.
>> WELL, THAT'S IF YOU'RE BACK THERE BY THE MACHINE AND YOU SEE THAT?
>> BUT I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING IN HERE ABOUT A PROPOSED SIGN THAT WAS GOING TO AN ADDITIONAL SIGN, THEY WOULD ADVERTISE THAT, IT'S JUST MY QUESTION.
>> WE WOULD PROBABLY GET ASSIGNED PERMIT BEFORE WE DO THAT.
YES, ON THE ENCLOSURE ITSELF, THERE WOULD PROBABLY BE ASSIGNED PLUS I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'RE NOT THERE YET, BUT SOMETIMES YOU SEE THESE CANOPIES AT THE DEALERSHIPS, THOSE SALES SHADES, YOU CAN ACTUALLY EMBROIDER A SIGN ON IT THAT SAYS ICE AND WATER, ICE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
WE PLAN ON GETTING THE MESSAGE OUT.
AND THERE IS OTHER ADVERTISING OF COURSE, WE HAVE A WEBSITE, WE HAVE FACEBOOK PAGE, WE HAVE INSTAGRAM.
THERE'S ALSO PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY SEARCHED FOR THESE ICE MACHINES SO THERE ARE WEBSITES FOR THEM.
>> THAT'S HOW YOU GOT IT. THANK YOU.
>> QUESTIONS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.
DO WE HAVE ANY CORRESPONDENCE?
>> DO WE HAVE ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK?
>> WE NEED A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
>> MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
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>> [INAUDIBLE] PART OF THE COMMISSION IS CLOSED.
>> ALL OPPOSED, THE MOTION CARRIES.
THE PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW CLOSED ON Z23-28.
PUBLIC HEARING HIS OPEN ON ZONING APPLICATIONS ON
[6. Zoning Change Application Z22-03 (Grapevine Springs), Planned Development Overlay PD23-02 and Final Plat for Lots 1-32, 33X, Block 1, Grapevine Springs and Lot 1R, Block 1R, Grapevine Office Park – City Council and Planning and Zoning Commission to conduct a public hearing relative to an application submitted by H Creek Development requesting to rezone 11.248 acres from the “PO”, Professional Office District and “CC”, Community Commercial District to “R-7.5”, Single-Family District and “R-5.0”, Zero-Lot-Line District with a planned development overlay to develop 32 single-family detached lots and one open space/common area lot. The planned development overlay is to allow for private streets in a single-family/zero-lot-line residential development and for the front lot lines to also be the centerline of the private street. Front yard setbacks for each residential lot will be measured from the centerline of the private street on which it fronts. The applicant is also requesting a replat of Lot 1, Block 1, Grapevine Office Park. The subject property is located at 1600 West Northwest Highway.]
Z23-3 AND THE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT OVERLAY PAID PD2302.AND THE FINAL PLAT, ERICA MORONICA.
>> THIS IS A REQUEST SUBMITTED BY H-CREEK DEVELOPMENT, LLC FOR ZONE CHANGE TO REZONE APPROXIMATELY 11.24 ACRES FROM A PROFESSIONAL OFFICE AND COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL DISTRICT TO AN R7 AND A HALF SINGLE-FAMILY DISTRICT AND OUR 5.00 LOT LINE DISTRICT FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF 32 SINGLE-FAMILY DETACHED DWELLINGS AT TWO DIFFERENT DISTRICTS STANDARDS.
AS PART OF THIS REQUEST, THERE IS ALSO AN ASSOCIATED PLANNED DEVELOPMENT OVERLAY WHICH WOULD ALLOW THEM TO DEVELOP PRIVATE STREETS IN A SINGLE-FAMILY ZERO LOT LINE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT INTO DEVIATE FROM FRONT YARD SETBACK REQUIREMENTS IN THE LOCATION OF THE FRONT LOT LINE FOR THOSE SINGLE-FAMILY LOTS AT THE CENTER LINE OF THE PROPOSED PRIVATE STREET.
AT THIS TIME, THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED A REQUEST TO TABLE CONSIDERATION OF THIS RE-ZONE, REQUESTS AND PLANNED DEVELOPMENT OVERLAY, AS WELL AS THE PLAT APPLICATIONS TO YOUR NOVEMBER 21, 2023 JOINT MEETING.
THE APPLICANT IS HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OR TO PROVIDE ANY MORE INFORMATION PERTAINING TO THE TABLING REQUESTS.
THAT IS BEFORE YOU STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE CITY COUNCIL AND PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION CONSIDER THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST TO TABLE THIS EVENING.
>> LET HIM TALK TO US ABOUT THE [INAUDIBLE]
>> I'D LIKE TO HEAR WHY HE WANTS TO DO.
>> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL, CHAIRMAN OLIVER AND P&Z.
MY NAME IS ESAN MACAS, 604 EAST NORTHWEST HIGHWAY, GRAPEVINE, TEXAS.
I AM REQUESTING TO TABLE TONIGHT, WE ARE GOING TO MAKE SOME MODIFICATIONS TO THIS PLAN.
HOPEFULLY BRING IT BACK WITHOUT SOME OF THE ITEMS THAT ERICA AND STAFF HAVE MENTIONED ON THE DEVIATIONS AND SOME OF THE CONDITIONS.
I ALSO WANTED TO SAY, WHILE I HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY THAT I HAVE A STACK OF CARDS, AND IF THERE'S ANY NEIGHBORS HERE TONIGHT, I WOULD LOVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO INTRODUCE MYSELF AND GIVE THEM MY CONTACT INFORMATION SO I CAN SHOW THEM WHAT OUR PLANS ARE COME NOVEMBER.
WITH THAT, I HOPE YOU WOULD BE WILLING TO TABLE THIS CASE. THANK YOU.
>> WE'VE HEARD YOUR REQUEST. THE APPLICANT TABLE TILL NOVEMBER 21ST.
>> I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST UNTIL NOVEMBER 21ST.
>> SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? OPPOSE.
>> THE COMMISSION VOTED TO TABLE UNTIL THE MEETING NEXT MONTH.
ITERATION IS IN ORDER FROM THE COUNCIL.
>> THAT WE TABLE THE REQUEST TO NOVEMBER 21ST?
>> ALL IN FLAVOR. ALL OPPOSED.
THE APPLICATION IS STILL IN PLACE.
DO WE HAVE ANY CORRESPONDENCE?
>> YES, SIR. THERE ARE SEVERAL LETTERS BEFORE YOU, SPECIFICALLY, THERE ARE 17 LETTERS IN OPPOSITION FROM THE SURROUNDING PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN THE 200 FOOT, AND THEN THERE ARE SEVERAL OTHERS FOR OTHER PROPERTY OWNERS.
>> THEY ARE ALREADY FILED AND PART OF THE EVIDENCE FROM THE CASE?
>> SUB MEMBERS [NOISE] WILL HAVE SOME OF THAT EVIDENCE YOU EITHER NEED TO TAKE IT WITH YOU OR TO GIVE LABELED WITH THE CITY SECRETARY, SO YOU'LL HAVE IT AVAILABLE AT THE NEXT MEETING.
ANYBODY HERE THAT'S INTERESTED IN THIS THE CASE, THIS IS THE ONLY OFFICIAL NOTIFICATION THAT YOU'LL BE GIVEN WHEN THE CASE WILL BE CONSIDERED AGAIN.
SO YOU NEED TO MARK YOUR CALENDARS AND TELL FRIENDS AND NEIGHBORS THAT IT'S RESCHEDULED FOR NEXT MONTH.
THOSE THAT HAVE FILED LETTERS OR CORRESPONDENCE WILL BE A PART OF THE EVIDENCE, WILL REMAIN A PART OF THE CASE.
MR. CHAIRMAN, THAT COMPLETES THE PUBLIC HEARINGS BETWEEN THE PLAN ZONING COMMISSION OF THE COUNCIL.
YOU'RE GOING TO RECONVENE TO THE MEETING ROOM IN THE RIGHT, CONSIDER YOUR AGENDA.
ANYONE INTERESTED IN THAT CAN FOLLOW THEM AND [INAUDIBLE] THE REST OF YOU CAN REMAIN HERE AND LISTEN TO THE PROCEEDINGS OF THE COUNCIL.
>> SPEAKING CITIZENS COMMENTS.
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>> I'M SORRY. COME UP SO WE CAN HEAR IT.
>> THE NOTIFICATION THAT WAS SUBMITTED TO TABLE LIST, I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS THAT AND I SUBMITTED A CITIZENS COMMENTARY.
HE'LL CALL YOU IN JUST A MINUTE.
CITIZENS COMMENTS IS NEXT ONCE THEY EXIT THE ROOM. [OVERLAPPING].
>> IS BEING TABLED AND THIS IS SPECIFIC TO THE [OVERLAPPING].
>> YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SPEAK IN A MINUTE.
>> [NOISE] THIS FORCE OF MADE TO ORDER, AND I DON'T THINK WE HAD ANYBODY SIGNED UP TO SPEAK.
OUR AGENDA FIRST IS CONDITIONALLY UC 2328.
[8. Conditional Use Permit CU23-28 (Wash Your Stuff) – Consider the application and make a recommendation to City Council. ]
I STILL THINK HE'S GOING TO HAVE SOME ISSUES WITH US.THE DRIVE TO THE WEST, IS ONE WAY, IT'S GOING IN.
THEY'RE NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH THE CAR WASH IF THEY'RE PULLING A BOAT OR AN RV OR SOMETHING.
>> I THINK THEY ARE GOING ALL THE WAY AROUND.
>> THEY GOING TO GO AROUND. THEY'VE GOING TO GO BACK AND SORT THAT ONE WAY.
>> [OVERLAPPING] [NOISE] IT'S NOT REALLY ONE WAY.
>> THAT'S WHAT IT WORKS EVERYWHERE [NOISE] [OVERLAPPING].
>> IT'S JUST A SUGGESTION ON THE PROPERTY THERE. [LAUGHTER] [NOISE].
>> I'VE BEEN SAYING THAT WAS A CONCERN.
>> [NOISE] IS THAT THE PATH TO TRAVEL FOR THAT AUTOMATIC BAY?
>> JUST FOR THAT ONE BAY, WE NEED THEM.
I ALWAYS GO TO ONE OF THESE THINGS OVER TO USAID AND CARS ARE ALL OVER THE PLACE [LAUGHTER] [NOISE] THE MACHINE THING AS WHAT BRIAN HARPER WANTED ONE OF THESE THINGS SO THAT I ADJUST IT.
>> HE INVESTED. IT'S A PRETTY HEFTY INVESTMENT IN THAT ICE MACHINE.
THAT'S WHY I TOLD BRIAN NO WAY.
>> HE MENTIONED ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF PUTTING UP A SIGN.
>> HE'LL HAVE TO SEE IT COME BACK. SEPARATE ISSUE
>> THAT'S IF IT'S A MONUMENT SIGN OR A POLE SIGN, OF SOME SORT, NOT IF IT'S ON THE SIDE ON THE BUILDING.
>> [NOISE] [OVERLAPPING] WELL, YOU HAVE TO DO IT.
>> WE DON'T HAVE TO COME HERE FOR THAT, FOR PUTTING UP A SIGN ON THE BUILDING.
>> CORRECT. THERE'S A LIMIT TO THE AMOUNT OF SIGN YOU CAN PUT ON THE EXTERIOR.
>> THEN THEY CAN HAVE THOSE LITTLE SIGNS ON THE GROUND, CAR WASH, AND TAP.
>> IT LOOKS LIKE, THE 25 FT IS PRETTY FAR AND IT LOOKS LIKE TWO-WAY.
>>I AM STILL CONFUSED ABOUT WHERE THE TRASH CANS IN THE MAIN CANAL WALK BACK THERE IN THAT LITTLE I DON'T KNOW.
NOW, THE REASON [OVERLAPPING] [NOISE].
>> THE BRICK WALL COMES HERE SO FAR? [NOISE] [LAUGHTER]
>>NO REASON NOT TO WORRY. IT'S JUST THREE WALLS.
>> [NOISE] THE TRASH CAN OR BE NEXT TO IT.
WELL, PROBABLY IT'S A DECORATIVE [INAUDIBLE]. [NOISE]
>>SO WHERE ARE THE THREE WALLS.
WHAT DIRECTION ARE THE BACK OF THE TWO SIDEWALLS?
>>I DIDN'T RISE THAT ISN'T THERE BACK WALLS?
>>THAT'S THE OPEN PART. [NOISE]
>>DRAWING DOESN'T INITIALLY THE BIRD'S EYE VIEW AS WELL.
>>THAT HELPS BECAUSE I COULDN'T UNDERSTAND WHY. I CAN ISOLATE.
>>WHICH IS THE ONE THAT FACES THE CAR WASH IS COMPLETELY OVER ON THE BACK SIDE [NOISE].
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>>I CAN SEE NOW WHY YOU WENT TO TRASHED HIM.
>>IT IS TWO-WAY TRAFFIC. [INAUDIBLE]
>>THAT IS JUST THAT OLD THING.
>YOU HAVE A GIVEN MACHINE IS JUST PRETTY AUTOMATIC LANE.
THAT'S THE ONLY THING. THAT'S ONE WAY.
I SPENT MORE TIME THERE THEN I SHOULD HAVE BECAUSE I LOCKED THE RV IN THAT STALL NUMBER ONE, WHAT TYPE [LAUGHTER] [NOISE] OF MOTION? I'M FINE WITH IT. I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO SEE YOU 23, 28 SECONDS.
>>UNOPPOSED, PRETTY SAY ANOTHER ONE. I GOT THIS.
I DON'T NINE, AND 10, AND 11 WERE PART OF WHAT WE TABLED OUT THERE OUT THERE.
WE DON'T HAVE TO, BUT AT LEAST JUST A WEEK WHEN PUT THEM ALL TOGETHER TO TABLE
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22-03 PG-23-02 AND FINAL PLAT UNTIL NOVEMBER 21.>>I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE TITLE THE 20203302 AND A FALL FLAT ONE THROUGH 32, 33 X BLOCK WALK RIGHT ON SPRINGS AND LAT ONE OUR BLOCK ONE OR AN OFFICE PARK TO THE NOVEMBER 21ST.
>> I OPPOSE. MINUTES FROM SEPTEMBER 19. CORRECTIONS RESISTANCE [INAUDIBLE].
[12. Consider the minutes of the September 19, 2023 Regular Planning and Zoning Commission meeting.]
19, 2023.>>ALL IN FAVOR OR OPPOSED [BACKGROUND] [OVERLAPPING]? [INAUDIBLE]
>>QUICK COMMENT, WE WILL PROBABLY BE HAVING SOME ADDITIONAL MEETINGS AND MAYBE EVEN SOME MORE COMMITTEE MEETINGS.
WE'VE GOT TWO COMMITTEES WORKING NOW.
WE MAY ADD SOME MORE BEFORE LONG BECAUSE I KNOW THAT THE COUNCIL IS GOING TO MOVE PRETTY FAST ON A COUPLE OF THINGS OVER THE NEXT FEW MONTHS.
SO CERTAINLY WILL PROBABLY HAVE SOME MEETINGS THAT WE'LL SPEND REGULAR MEETING EARLIER LIKE WE DID THIS EVENING AND BASED ON WHATEVER WE HAVE TO JUST TO LET YOU KNOW WHAT TO BE AWARE OF THAT BECAUSE [INAUDIBLE] SOME OF THAT.
>>SO WHAT MIGHT SOME OF THE OTHER MEETINGS?
>>WE'VE STILL GOT THE MASTER PLAN, LAND-USEY APP COULD GO ON.
AND THERE'S A COMMITTEE NOW WORKING ON THAT.
BUT THE MAIN THING THEY'RE WORKING ON IS TRYING TO GET THAT CHART THAT SHOWED THE DIFFERENT ZONING ORDINANCES OF WHERE THEY FALL.
SO WHEN YOU GET READY TO PUT LIKE LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL BECAUSE IT DOESN'T YOU DON'T DIVIDE IT BY THE ZONING.
IT'S A GROUP. SO THEY'RE WORKING ON THAT GROUP
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.