7. Receive a report, hold a discussion and provide staff direction regarding servant’s quarters, guest houses, and accessory dwelling units in the “R-20”, Single-Family District, and take any necessary action.

[7. Receive a report, hold a discussion and provide staff direction regarding servant’s quarters, guest houses, and accessory dwelling units in the “R-20”, Single-Family District, and take any necessary action.]

ITEM NUMBER SEVEN FIRST, AND THIS IS A REPORT DISCUSSION REGARDING SERVANT'S QUARTERS, GUEST HOUSES, ACCESSORY DWELLINGS IN THE R 20 AND SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT AND TAKE ANY ACTION IN REGARD TO THAT.

SO DO YOU WANT TO INTRODUCE THIS? I WILL, YES.

SO THIS ITEM HAS TO DO AND I'M GOING TO REFER TO IT AS ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT.

ADU IS KIND OF AN ALL INCLUSIVE TERM FOR WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE.

WE CURRENTLY HAVE SOMETHING CALLED SERVANT'S QUARTERS AND THEN A SEPARATE RELATED USE OF GUEST HOUSE.

HOWEVER, ONLY WITHIN THE R 20 SINGLE FAMILY ZONING DISTRICT DOES IT PERMIT SERVANT'S QUARTERS.

AND WITHIN THAT DEFINITION, IT SIMPLY STATES THAT IT IT'S NOT TO BE LEASED OR RENTED TO ANYONE OTHER THAN SOMEONE IN THE EMPLOYMENT OF THE PROPERTY OWNER.

BUT ACTUALLY WHAT AN ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT OR SERVANT'S QUARTERS IS, IS IT'S AN ACCESSORY HOUSING UNIT THAT IS LOCATED ON THE SAME LOT AS A PRIMARY RESIDENCE.

SO DOES THE CITY PERMIT THEM AS A SERVANT'S QUARTERS? SO IT'S A RESTRICTED USE IN THE R 20 SINGLE FAMILY ZONING DISTRICT.

AND MOST RECENTLY THERE WAS SOME LEGISLATION AT THE STATE LEVEL DURING THE 88TH LEGISLATURE.

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NONE OF IT PASSED, BUT IT WAS FAIRLY SUBSTANTIAL.

AND IF IT HAD PASSED, IT WOULD HAVE AFFECTED EVERY MUNICIPALITY IN THE STATE OF TEXAS.

IT WOULD HAVE ALLOWED, IN SOME INSTANCES, MULTIPLE ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS PER RESIDENTIAL LOT WITH VERY LITTLE OVERSIGHT OR REGULATION BY THAT LOCAL CITY THROUGH THE ZONING PROCESS OR THROUGH THE BUILDING CODE PROCESS.

SO THERE WERE A LOT OF CONCERNS.

IT WAS DEFEATED.

IT DID NOT MOVE FORWARD.

IT IS NOT CURRENT STATE LAW, BUT WITH IT BEING PROPOSED, THERE'S A LOT OF CONCERNS BY APPOINTED AND ELECTED OFFICIALS THROUGHOUT THE STATE TO LOOK AT WHAT WE HAVE ON THE BOOKS AT THIS TIME AND SEE IF ANY OF THAT SHOULD BE FURTHER ADDRESSED AND MODIFIED OR REVIEW IT AND DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT WHAT'S ON THE BOOKS FOR THE CITY OF GRAPEVINE IS SUFFICIENT. BEFORE WE MOVE ON, I NEGLECTED TO REMIND EVERYBODY THAT SHARRON ROGERS IS HERE AS OUR NEW LIAISON FOR THE P AND Z, AND SO CERTAINLY GLAD TO HAVE HER HERE AND HOPE THAT SHE'LL FEEL FREE TO OFFER ANYTHING. IF YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS AND PARTICIPATE WITH US IN THIS EVENT.

I THINK THIS ITEM CAME UP BECAUSE OF A NUMBER OF THINGS WE'VE SEEN RECENTLY, ESPECIALLY I NOTICED A DAY OR TWO BEFORE THIS CAME UP, I GOT AN EMAIL FROM HOME DEPOT FOR $44,100.

THEY WOULD SEND ME ON A TRUCK AND UNLOADED MY BACK YARD.

A HOUSE, IN ESSENCE.

IT WAS YOU HAD TO PUT IT TOGETHER.

BUT IT WAS REALLY EVERYTHING, INCLUDING THE APPLIANCES AND EVERYTHING THAT YOU COULD BUY.

I'M SURE THAT HAD A LOT TO DO WITH WHAT WAS GOING ON IN THE LEGISLATURE ABOUT SOME OF THESE.

OTHER OTHER ADDRESSES ON THE SINGLE FAMILY.

LOTS. AND SO WE LOOK CLOSELY.

I KNOW. AND IT FELT LIKE THIS IS SOMETHING WE NEEDED TO ADDRESS.

AND I KNOW THAT.

MISS ROGERS AND I TALKED AND I KNOW SHE HAD HAS SHARED WITH THE STAFF SOME THINGS ABOUT THESE HOUSES THAT COME IN THAT ARE MODULAR AND JUST FOLD UP.

AND I THINK YOU MAY HAVE SOMETHING.

YEAH, WE HAVE A SLIDE HERE TO SHOW YOU WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

WE'VE REALLY FOUND TWO DIFFERENT TYPES.

AND THERE'S A VIDEO ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THE SCREEN THAT SHOWS KIND OF THESE MODULAR, MANUFACTURED, CONSTRUCTED OFF SITE OR FABRICATED OFF SITE AND BROUGHT IN AND ASSEMBLED ON SITE.

SO WE HAVE THAT GROUND UP OR CONSTRUCTION.

IT'S TIED TO A PERMANENT FOUNDATION.

AND THEN WE HAVE THAT MANUFACTURED MODULAR HOUSING UNIT.

AND MR. OLIVER IS REFERRING TO.

AND. THESE ARE QUITE FLEXIBLE IN THE DESIGN.

THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT OFFERINGS OUT THERE AND COMPANIES.

SOME OF THE NAMES OF THOSE COMPANIES HAVE BEEN PROVIDED WITHIN THE BACKUP MATERIALS PROVIDED TO YOU TODAY.

AND IF YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY, YOU CAN LOOK THEM UP ONLINE AND THEY LEGITIMATELY CAN FOLD OUT, AS SHOWN IN THIS VIDEO, ONTO THE PROPERTY.

READY TO GO. MADE TO ORDER.

AND THEY LOOK LIKE MANUFACTURED UNITS.

THEY DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE THAT SAME FEEL AND LOOK.

DIMENSIONS. KIND OF MATERIALS.

IF YOU WERE TO PURCHASE ONE OF THESE AND HAVE IT DELIVERED AND INSTALLED ON SITE.

SO I THINK PART OF OUR REASON THIS IS HERE TODAY IS TO DISCUSS THIS AND WHAT THIS COULD MEAN FOR US, ESPECIALLY NOW.

WE CURRENTLY ONLY ALLOW THESE.

ACCESSORY BUILDINGS ON OUR 20 ZONING NOW, AND THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE FOR CARETAKERS, I THINK, OR RELATIVES OR SO FORTH AND SO ON LIKE THAT. BUT WE CERTAINLY WANT TO BE SURE WE'RE UP TO DATE WITH THIS COMING ABOUT.

WE DON'T NEED TO SEE 2 OR 3 OF THESE IN A 20 LOT SOMEWHERE.

AND THE FACT THAT THEY REALLY DON'T NECESSARILY BLEND IN WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND WITH THE CONSTRUCTION TYPES AND SO FORTH.

WE THOUGHT THIS IS SOMETHING WE OUGHT TO DISCUSS AND SEE IF THEY NEED TO CONSIDER ANY CHANGES TO OUR ORDINANCE IN REGARD TO THAT.

YOU HAVE ANYTHING AT THIS POINT YOU HAVE ANY CONCERNS ABOUT OR QUESTIONS ABOUT? I GUESS LET'S OPEN THAT FOR QUESTIONS OR CONSIDERATION.

THE ONLY THING I'M THINKING OF IS I JUST BUILT A CABANA FOR A CLIENT OVER IN COLLEYVILLE AND IT HAS BEEN IT'S BASICALLY LIVING QUARTERS.

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THERE'S A BATH AND THERE'S A SHOWER.

THERE'S A CLOSET. THERE'S A BEDROOM AREA AND YOU CAN LIVE IN THAT THING.

BUT THAT'S IN COLLIERVILLE.

OF COURSE, IT'S A HUGE LOT, TOO.

BUT IS THERE LIKE A DEFINITION OF LIKE, WHAT THAT BUILDING STRUCTURE CAN BE? SO WE'RE NOT TALKING LIKE A GARAGE OR MAYBE THERE'S LIKE A LITTLE BIT OF LIVING SPACE ABOVE A GARAGE OR IS THIS SPECIFICALLY MODULAR STYLE HOME? NO, I THINK WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHAT THE ORDINANCE ALLOWS HERE AS FAR AS AN ACCESSORY BUILDING.

DETACHED. RIGHT.

DETACHED. WHEN THE ORDINANCE WAS WRITTEN AND YOU AND I WERE INVOLVED IN THAT, IT WAS TO HAVE A PLACE FOR SOMEONE'S PARENTS TO LIVE AS THEY GOT OLDER, NOT NECESSARILY GUEST QUARTERS PER SE, THAT COULD BE RENTED OUT OR EITHER ON A SHORT TERM, SHORT TERM RENTAL BASIS OR LEASED OUT.

BUT IT WAS TO BE SOMEONE, AS I SAID, THAT'S RELATED TO THE FAMILY.

AND WITH THESE POSSIBILITIES, THIS BOX IN THE TOP RIGHT THERE HAS BEEN A DESIRE BY SOME A COUPLE OF HOMEOWNERS AND A NEIGHBOR AND NOT THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT IN THE CITY, IN SOME NEIGHBORHOODS, TO HAVE ONE OF THOSE HAULED IN AND PLACED IN THE BACKYARD BECAUSE THEY'RE ON A 20 LOT AND IT WOULD BE FOR SOMEONE TO LIVE IN THAT'S NOT A RELATIVE OR TO BE THERE TEMPORARILY.

AND SO WHEN I SAW THE PICTURE OF THESE BOXES, I THOUGHT, GOODNESS, THESE COULD GO UP ANYWHERE IN TOWN.

WE CAN'T CONTROL THE BUILDING MATERIALS.

I DON'T THINK ON SOME NEW CONSTRUCTION FOR SOME OF THESE RECENT LAWS THAT WERE PASSED IN THE.

IS THAT THAT CORRECT? CORRECT. THE EXTERIOR BUILDING FINISHES.

WE'RE ACTUALLY PROHIBITED FROM REQUIRING UNLESS YOU'RE PART OF A LARGER DESIGN DISTRICT OR AREA OF HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE.

AND YOU'VE WRITTEN THAT YOU CAN'T SAY NO MODULAR, YOU CAN SAY NO MODULAR.

BUT AS FAR AS EXTERIOR BUILDING FINISHES, SO YOU CAN'T REALLY SAY A PERCENTAGE OF MASONRY OR ALL BRICK OF THIS COLOR OR SHADE AND STIPULATE THOSE TYPES OF FINISHES.

BUT RIGHT NOW WE DON'T SAY. WHAT WE SAY AS FAR AS MANUFACTURED OR MODULAR HOUSING IS THAT THOSE ARE ONLY PERMITTED WITHIN THOSE DISTRICTS.

AND IF SOMEONE WERE TO COME IN WITH A PERMIT FOR ONE OF THESE, THEY WOULD BE INFORMED AT THAT TIME A BUILDING PERMIT THAT IT'S NOT PERMISSIBLE.

HOWEVER, IT'S NOT CLEAR IF IT'S A PROPERTY OWNER.

JUST LOOKING AT THE ZONING ORDINANCE THAT THERE'S A RESTRICTION ON THAT CONSTRUCTION.

WITH THE NEW LEGISLATION TALKING ABOUT YOU CAN'T SAY IT HAS TO BE A CERTAIN CONSTRUCTION TYPE IN TERMS OF MASONRY OR THINGS LIKE THAT.

IS THERE ANYTHING WOULD PROHIBIT US FROM SAYING SOMETHING IN OUR ORDINANCE THAT IT HAS TO CONFORM TO THE SAME TYPE STRUCTURE AS THE PRIMARY RESIDENCE? KNOW THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE ALLOWABLE AND THAT OTHER COMMUNITIES HAVE DONE.

WE HAVE PROVIDED YOU WITH A LISTING OF OTHER COMMUNITIES AND SOME OF THE RESTRICTIONS OR LIMITATIONS THAT THEY.

ON THEIR ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS.

SO YOU COULD SAY SOMETHING IF YOU DIRECTED STAFF TO DO SO.

TO ADD LANGUAGE WHERE THE ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT OR SERVANTS QUARTERS WOULD NEED TO BE COMPLEMENTARY TO THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE OF SIMILAR CONSTRUCTION MATERIALS.

SIMILAR SAME ROOF PITCH DOOR PLACEMENT.

TYPES OF WINDOWS. NO PLACEMENT.

YOU CAN SAY THINGS SUCH AS CANNOT EXCEED A CERTAIN SIZE BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THE WAY THAT IT'S WRITTEN, SERVANT'S QUARTERS, THAT SECTION IN SECTION 13 OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE IN REFERS YOU TO 42 OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE FOR ALL ACCESSORY STRUCTURES.

AND ACTUALLY THE SIZE LIMITATION IS DEPENDENT UPON THE OVERALL PERCENTAGE OF THE REAR YARD.

SO THOSE COULD BE QUITE LARGE DEPENDING ON THE DIMENSIONS OF THE R 20 LOT.

SO THAT MAY BE SOMETHING ELSE THAT THE COMMISSION WOULD LIKE TO THINK ABOUT.

WE DID PROVIDE WITHIN YOUR AGENDA MEMO POTENTIAL RESTRICTIONS OR LIMITATIONS FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION TO TAKE A STAB AT.

GOOD REGULATE FLOOR FLOOR PLATES FINISHES, COLORS.

I'M NOT SURE IF YOU WANT TO GET INTO COLORS OR JUST SAY.

WELL, I SUPPOSE IF SOMEONE WANTED TO HAVE MOM AND DAD LIVE THERE, THEY COULD MAKE IT HAVE AN ADDITION TO THE HOME TOO.

AND THAT WAY THIS WOULD REMOVE THIS CONCERN ALTOGETHER AS LONG AS IT'S ATTACHED.

IT WOULD JUST BE IT'S ATTACHED AND OF SIMILAR MATERIALS.

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SO THERE'S A THERE'S A WAY TO TO ACCOMMODATE THAT THAT NEED SHOULD IT ARISE.

WELL, THE PART WHERE YOU WROTE IT THAT CANNOT BE SOLD SEPARATELY FROM THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE, I MEAN, WOULDN'T IT HAVE TO BE PLATTED SEPARATELY TO BE SOLD? YOU MEAN UNLESS WE ALLOWED IT TO BE SOLD AS I MEAN I WOULD GET YOU WOULD GET INTERESTING I THINK I THINK WE ACTUALLY I BELIEVE THE CITY OF PLANO HAS THAT STIPULATED IN THEIR BACKYARD COTTAGE ITS REGULATION AND IT WAS JUST TO BE VERY CLEAR THAT THESE ARE MEANT TO STAY TOGETHER.

WELL, I LIKED IT. I LIKE IF WE'RE GOING TO DO AN ACCESSORY.

I LIKE THE IDEA OF MAKING IT CONFORM AT LEAST TO THIS SAME TYPE OF BUILDING MATERIALS LIKE THE ONE IN FLOWER MOUND DOES.

SO AT LEAST IT'S CONFORMING TO THE SAME STYLE OF THE HOUSE AND WE'RE ABLE TO.

I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT.

YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE SOMETIMES YOU HAVE SHEDS THAT ARE IN THE BACK YARDS, BUT THAT'S NOT.

AND THAT'S COMPLETELY IT'S BECAUSE IT DOESN'T HAVE LIVING.

LIVING. RIGHT. IT WOULDN'T FALL UNDER THAT.

RIGHT. SO I'M JUST YOU DON'T WANT TO HAVE A HUGE SHED IN.

IT'S LIKE WITH THIS MODULAR, IT'S THE SAME KIND OF CONCEPT, JUST A PREFABRICATED BUILDING THAT'S JUST STUCK UP.

AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO MAKE IT AT LEAST CONFORM IF WE'RE GOING TO.

ALLOW. EVEN MORE THAN WHAT WE'VE ALREADY DONE WITH THE SERVANTS QUARTERS.

AND DID WE HAVE A MAXIMUM SIZE FOR THE SURPLUS QUARTERS OR ANYTHING? WE DON'T HAVE. WE HAVE NOW, SO IT'S A PERCENTAGE OF THE OVERALL REAR YARD.

SO IT'S ALSO DEPENDENT ON THE HEIGHT.

SO YEAH, SO IF IT'S ONE STOREY OR LESS, IT CAN BE 60% OF THE REAR YARD.

IF IT'S MORE THAN ONE STORY, BUT YOU'RE LIMITED TO ONE AND A HALF STORIES IN THE 20 FOR AN ACCESSORY BUILDING.

40, 40 AND THEN DOUBLE BIG.

YEAH. SO IF YOU HAD TO BE, YOU COULD HAVE.

YOU COULD HAVE A NORMAL HOUSE.

YEAH. ON THE BACK. IT COULD BE VERY LARGE.

YEAH. YOU NEED MORE, MORE THAN THAT FOR SURE.

FOR A LESSER OR GREATER THAN.

THIS IS A MAXIMUM SIZE, NO MATTER WHAT.

OR THERE'S A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF THE HOUSE OR SOMETHING.

IT'S A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE.

BUT THEN WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT OVERALL BUILDING COVERAGE AND IMPERVIOUS SURFACE AREA FOR THAT ZONING DISTRICT.

SO THERE'S KIND OF A LOT OF DIFFERENT CALCULATIONS COMING INTO PLAY THAT ARE GOING TO RESTRICT AND IT CAN BE DEPENDENT UPON THE SIZE OF THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE AS WELL.

SO WE COULD LIMIT THE SIZE OF SQUARE FOOTAGE SIZE, CORRECT? WE COULD CHANGE THE ORDINANCE TO HAVE A MAXIMUM CORRECT SIZE, BUT NO MORE THAN X COVERAGE, NOT X PERCENT COVERAGE.

WELL, THAT'S ALREADY THERE IN.

UNDERLYING REQUIREMENTS.

THE PERCENTAGE COVERAGE, AT LEAST FOR THE LIVING QUARTERS TYPE STRUCTURE ITSELF, WE COULD LIMIT THE SIZE OF THAT ON 20.

WE DON'T HAVE I MEAN, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF LOTS OUT THERE THAT ARE LARGER THAN HALF ACRE FOR SURE, BUT NOT A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER.

BUT I CERTAINLY WOULD HATE TO SEE US ALLOW SOME OF THESE MODULAR TYPE THINGS TO BE ABLE TO COME IN AND SET UP AND AND USE THEM FOR PURPOSES THAT WE REALLY NEVER INTENDED FOR THEM TO BE USED TO.

YOU KNOW, IF YOU NEED THEM, LIKE I SAID, FOR SERVANTS QUARTERS OR FAMILY AND SO FORTH.

THAT'S ONE THING. BUT CERTAINLY WOULDN'T WANT THEM TO BE ABLE TO MAKE IT RENTAL PROPERTY OR PROPERTY THEY CAN CHARGE PEOPLE TO, YOU KNOW, TO LIVE NO MATTER HOW MANY DAYS FOR THAT MATTER.

JUST TO CLARIFY SOMETHING I THINK JASON MENTIONED BEFORE, IF A PROPERTY HAS A DETACHED GARAGE WITH LIVING QUARTERS ABOVE, THAT'S CONSIDERED PART OF THE PRIMARY. RIGHT.

SO THEY SHOULDN'T HAVE A SEPARATE LIVING QUARTERS ABOVE A DETACHED GARAGE IN ANY DISTRICT IN THE 20.

SO IF THEY EXIST ELSEWHERE, THEY'RE NON-CONFORMING AND THEY WOULD STILL BE RESTRICTED PER THE R20 DISTRICT.

BUILDING COVERAGE AND HEIGHT.

SO THEORETICALLY, THEY COULD BUILD A THREE CAR GARAGE IF THEY HAD THE SPACE AND THEN BUILD A SECOND STORY THAT COULD BE LIVING QUARTERS THERE.

THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT, TOO, BECAUSE THEN WE'RE BACK TO THE TWO STORY THAT CAN BE MUCH CLOSER TO THE PROPERTY LINE AND THE NEIGHBORS,

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TOO. SO I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE.

WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT, THAT WE NEED SOME SETBACKS THAT WOULD KIND OF PROTECT THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS FOR THAT IF WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO ALLOW THE STRUCTURES.

AND AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW THAT I SEE AN ISSUE WITH OUR 24 STRUCTURE.

IF IT'S NOT HUGE AND IT'S FOR FAMILY MEMBERS AND SO FORTH TO BE THERE, AND IF IT CONFORMS TO THE ARCHITECTURE AND CONSTRUCTION TYPE OF THE PRIMARY RESIDENCE, I DON'T REALLY SEE THAT.

FOR THAT MATTER, PEOPLE IN R7 FIVE, IF THEY'VE GOT THE SPACE, COULD ADD ON TO THEIR PRIMARY RESIDENCE AND MAKE SOME MORE LIVING QUARTERS TOO FOR THAT MATTER.

BUT AS FAR AS THE SEPARATE STRUCTURE, I CERTAINLY WOULDN'T WANT TO SEE THAT OUTSIDE.

OUTSIDE OUR 20 FOR SURE IS ARE 75 EVEN BIG ENOUGH FOR THIS STRUCTURE? WELL, IT DEPENDS ON THE SIZE OF HOUSE, HOW BIG THAT IS.

THEY COULD ADD ON A COUPLE OF ROOMS OR A ROOM AND A RESTROOM OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT TO PROVIDE SOME ADDITIONAL SPACE.

BUT THEY CAN DO THAT ALREADY.

SO THAT'S NOT SO WE NEED TO MAKE IT CLEAR THAT ONLY OUR 20 AND NOT WELL, IT'S FOR OUR 20 FOR THE SEPARATE RIGHT THAT'S RIGHT.

FOR AN ACCESSORY BUILDING.

RIGHT. AND IT'S ONLY BECAUSE OUR 75 IS NOT EVEN AN OPTION.

THEY CAN STILL HAVE THE SHED LIKE YOU TALKED ABOUT UNDER CERTAIN SIZE.

I THINK IT'S 120FT² OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

SO I KNOW STAFF IS WANTING.

WE NEED TO DISCUSS IF WE WANT TO ADDRESS THIS BASED ON HOW THINGS ARE KIND OF GOING.

WE PROBABLY NEED TO GIVE STAFF SOME DIRECTION OF WHAT WE'D LIKE TO SEE IN THIS ORDINANCE THAT CAN COME AND WORK OUT SOMETHING IN TERMS OF HOW TO DEAL WITH THIS.

SO IF WE'RE GOING TO LIMIT THE SQUARE FEET, HOW WOULD IT BE 700? HARD TO. YEAH.

HOW DO WE. BUT ONCE AGAIN, IF IT GETS BIG, IT CAN BE IT CAN GET BIG ENOUGH.

IT'S LIKE YOU SAY, IT'S ALMOST A SECOND HOUSE RIGHT THERE.

AND THAT'S NOT I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE INTENT.

SO WE NEED TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING.

IF WE'RE GOING TO DO A SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT'S REASONABLE, THAT WOULDN'T LET THEM TAKE UP.

THEY GOT A ONE ACRE LOT AND THEY CAN TAKE UP, WHAT, 60% OF THE EXTRA SPACE.

THAT'S A PRETTY BIG, PRETTY BIG BUILDING BACK THERE.

SO I DON'T THINK THAT WAS THE INTENT TO DO THAT.

THEY CERTAINLY COULDN'T SUBDIVIDE IT UNLESS THEY HAD OTHER ACCESS SOMEWHERE OR YOU'D END UP WITH A FLAG LOT, WHICH WE DON'T ALLOW, RIGHT? SO THAT ELIMINATES THAT.

BUT IF IT'S REALLY JUST SERVANTS QUARTERS TYPE DEAL OR MOTHER IN LAW HOUSE OR THINGS LIKE THAT, THEN IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE HUGE TO BEGIN WITH.

DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY EXPERIENCE WITH THAT AT ALL? FRIEND, FAMILY, ANYTHING? I EVEN KNOW WHAT WOULD BE A ONE BEDROOM APARTMENTS THAT WE ALL MOVED INTO OUT OF COLLEGE, LIKE 750FT².

I WAS THINKING 700 NEW YORK CITY.

WEREN'T THEY ALL THE 700FT²? MY FRIEND THAT LIVES THAT JUST MOVED FROM SOUTH LAKE, SHE HAD A BASICALLY A ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT ABOVE HER GARAGE.

THEY PUT IN THAT FOR HER FAMILY.

AND I MEAN, MY FAMILY FRIENDS HAVE STAYED THERE IN THAT TYPE OF STUFF.

BUT. SO IS IT ONE BEDROOM BATH THAT WAS JUST GOING TO SAY I MEAN, IT HAD A LITTLE KITCHEN IN ONE BEDROOM BATHROOM.

IT HAD. HOW BIG IS A ONE BEDROOM? RIGHT. IF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE IT FOR MOTHER IN LAW, FATHER IN LAW OR WHATEVER, THEY PROBABLY DON'T NEED TO BE CLIMBING UPSTAIRS TO BE A SINGLE LEVEL. SO AND AND IF IT'S A GUEST QUARTERS OR WHATEVER, THEY MAY NOT NEED TO BE CLIMBING UPSTAIRS EITHER.

NO, THAT WOULD BE A CONCERN FOR FOR MY FOLKS SAKE, I DON'T LIKE CLIMBING UPSTAIRS NOW.

RIGHT. THAT'S TRUE.

THE OLD PAIR CAN CLIMB UPSTAIRS.

THAT'S THE PEOPLE I'VE KNOWN WHO HAD GARAGE APARTMENTS UP HERE.

YEAH. THE OTHER THING IS, OUR FRIENDS FROM FAR AWAY COME AND STAY.

I MEAN, THEY MIGHT STAY FOR A MONTH OR SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, IF WE.

IF WE LIMIT IT TO ONE STORY, AT LEAST YOU'RE OUT OF THE ISSUE ABOUT THE NEIGHBORS.

THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING IN TERMS OF SECOND STORY VIEWS INTO BACKYARDS.

OR YOU DON'T WANT A BIG TWO STORY HOUSE IN THE BACK OF SOMEBODY DOESN'T TAKE AWAY THE SECOND STORY ON A GARAGE.

BUT IT CAN ONLY BE A SINGLE STORY THAT KIND OF TAKES THAT OUT OF THE PICTURE UNLESS IT WAS BUILT ORIGINALLY WITH THE STRUCTURE.

YEAH. WELL, DURING THE PERMITTING PROCESS ON THE ORIGINAL CONSTRUCTION, THERE WAS A REAR GARAGE THAT HAD A SECOND STORY ON IT.

THAT MIGHT BE DIFFERENT, BUT AS FAR AS AFTER THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE IS IN PLACE, I DON'T KNOW IF WE'D WANT TO ALLOW THAT SECOND STORY.

AND DO YOU DO YOU ALLOW FULL KITCHEN BECAUSE THERE'S A CUT OFF TO WHERE IT BECOMES A TRUE KITCHEN VERSUS A KITCHEN, A KITCHENETTE, YOU KNOW, WHERE YOU HAVE A SINK AND A

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REFRIGERATOR AND A MICROWAVE.

BUT ONCE YOU TRY TO HAVE AN A STOVE AND DISHWASHER, YOU KNOW, ONCE YOU START HAVING ALL THIS OTHER STUFF AND IT BECOMES MORE OF A SO DO YOU LIMIT THAT TYPE OF STUFF IN IT? YOU KNOW WHAT BECOMES THE KITCHEN? IT SEEMS LIKE YOU GET DOWN TO I THINK YOU ALMOST HAVE TO ALLOW SOME KITCHEN.

DO YOU ALLOW A FULL KITCHEN? BECAUSE I MEAN, BECAUSE THAT'S HOW MANY STOVE? YES, BECAUSE I MEAN, THAT'S HOW THEY WOULD DETERMINE WHETHER IT'S TRULY A FULL KITCHEN, WHETHER IT HAS ALL THAT STUFF.

YEAH. I MEAN I THINK IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO IT, THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE ALLOWED TO DO IN THAT PARTICULAR STRUCTURE.

IF YOU LIMIT THE SIZE OF THE STRUCTURE, YOU KIND OF YOU KIND OF ADDRESS THAT.

YOU KIND OF ADDRESS THAT BACK BEFORE WE SOLD OUR HOUSE BACK OVER OFF CLOSE TO WHERE SHARRON LEAL, YOU KNOW, WE BUILT HAD A POOL AND WE BUILT A HOUSE KIND OF IN THE BACK AND IT HAD ONE BIG OPEN ROOM.

IT'S PROBABLY, I DON'T KNOW, IT MAY HAVE BEEN 20 BY 12 AND IT HAD A LITTLE CLOSET.

IT HAD A KITCHEN, SMALL KITCHEN SINK, AND BUT IT HAD A MICROWAVE REFRIGERATOR AND STUFF AND A RESTROOM WITH A SHOWER AND STUFF IN IT LIKE THAT BACK THERE, WHICH WAS PRETTY NICE.

AND LINDA'S SISTER CAME TO LIVE IN IT FOR A WHILE.

SO OUR FAMILY, OUR FRIENDS, MOTHER IN LAW OR MOTHER STAYED WITH THEM AND THEY ACTUALLY TOOK THEIR WHOLE GARAGE, TURNED IT INTO LIKE A MOTHER IN LAW SUITE AND THEN BUILT A TWO CAR GARAGE IN THE BACK AS AN ACCESSORY BUILDING.

SO THEY THEY THAT WAS PROBABLY MORE FLEXIBLE FOR THEM TO DO BECAUSE NOW THEY'VE GOT THEIR WHOLE KITCHENS IN THE HOUSE AND SHE CAN COME AND USE THE KITCHEN.

SHE HAS LIKE HER OWN LITTLE COFFEE STATION BATHROOM AND CLOSET AND BEDROOM AND PRIVATE SPACE.

SO THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY SOLVE THIS.

BUT I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO SEE SOME OF THAT HAPPEN.

THEY SAID THEY WERE SITTING ON A THIRD OF AN ACRE SO THEY COULD HAVE DONE THIS.

THAT'S A THAT'S A REMODEL OF THE HOME.

SO IT DOESN'T DOESN'T REALLY ADDRESS THIS.

AND THEY COULD LEAD THEM INTO THAT IF THEY COME TO THEM AND IT DOESN'T WORK.

YEAH, THAT'S TRUE.

YEAH. I THINK IF WE LIMIT THE SIZE THEN.

YOU KNOW, YOU WANT TO TAKE UP YOUR PRECIOUS SQUARE FEET WITH A FULL SIZE STOVE VERSUS A MICROWAVE OR I SEE TWO BURNER.

YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. I DON'T.

I DON'T. WELL, I THINK ONE STORY IS APPROPRIATE.

YEAH, I THINK.

SINGLE LEVEL LIMIT ONE PER LOT.

ONE BEDROOM. ONE BEDROOM WAS APPROPRIATE.

YEAH. YEAH. NOW, WHAT KIND OF SIZE DO YOU WANT IT TO BE? I DEFINITELY ONE PER LOT.

NO. SEPARATE UTILITY METER.

BECAUSE THAT'S JUST ASKING TO RENT IT OUT TO SOMEBODY.

ALL THAT SORT OF STUFF, YOU KNOW? AND LIKE YOU SAID, THE THE ONE STORY HEIGHT REQUIREMENT.

AND STILL WANT TO LOOK AT LIMITING THE SQUARE FOOTAGE, RIGHT? YEAH. YEAH. AND THEN THAT IT WOULD BE WE TALKED ABOUT IT WOULD STILL BE IN THE SAME ARCHITECTURE AND TYPE STRUCTURE OF PRIMARY RESIDENCE.

LIKE BEDFORD DOES. 500, ALMOST 1200.

BROWN SAYS 50% OF THE PLANT THAT COULD BE A BIG ONE IF YOU DID IT THAT WAY.

TWO ACRES. I KNOW.

WELL, 50% OF THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE.

IF YOU HAVE A HUGE PRIMARY STRUCTURE, THAT WOULD BE A BIG.

THAT'S A LITTLE MUCH.

I JUST DON'T HAVE A SENSE OF WHAT I'VE HAD.

THAT SEEMS SMALL.

THAT 1200 SEEMS LARGE.

500 IS JUST A LITTLE BIGGER THAN A TWO CAR GARAGE.

OKAY. YEAH, THAT'S PRETTY SMALL FOR A BIGGER STUDIO, RIGHT? I THINK, ADDRESSING THE EXTERIOR ELEVATION AND IT HAS TO MIMIC THE HOME AND THE QUALITY AND THE SAME SAME GENERAL BUILDING MATERIALS, I THINK WOULD GO A LONG WAY TOWARDS SOLVING THE THE CONCERNS.

NATTHEW'S SO IT LOOKS THE SAME AND DOESN'T STICK OUT.

AND IT MIGHT BE THAT IT WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR THE STAFF TO RUN SOME CALCULATIONS ON IF IT'S A 20,000, IF IT'S IF IT'S A 20,000 SQUARE FOOT LOT, AND THEN FIGURE IN THE IMPERVIOUS AREA, THE SETBACKS AND ALL THAT, HOW LARGE COULD A STRUCTURE BE BACK THERE? GIVEN THE SETBACKS, IF IT'S A REASONABLY NORMAL SIZED HOUSE ON A 20 LOT NOW, WHAT'S REASONABLY SIZED, I DON'T KNOW THESE DAYS IN TERMS. BUT THERE ARE SOME LOTS THAT YOU CAN HAVE AT 10 OR 15,000 SQUARE FOOT ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT IN THE BACKYARD BECAUSE THEY'RE BIG ENOUGH TO DO IT.

AND I KNOW THAT'S NOT THAT'S NOT WHAT WE WANT, EVEN IF IT LOOKS LIKE A PRIMARY RESIDENCE.

IF WE'RE LOOKING JUST FOR THAT, THE WEST WING, JUST FOR THAT ONE BEDROOM KITCHEN BATH THING, IT SHOULDN'T MATTER WHETHER THE LOTS A LITTLE LIVING ROOM, THREE ACRES, THREE

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ACRES OR IT'S ONE ACRE.

AS FAR AS WHAT WE SHOULD ALLOW YOU TO ACCOMMODATE PERHAPS SOME NEEDS AND IT WOULD BE TASTEFULLY CONSTRUCTED AND LOOK NICE.

AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT WHAT THE GOAL IS REASONABLY SIZED AND ONE STORY.

OKAY. SO WHAT I'M HEARING IS THAT WE'LL TAKE ALL OF THOSE SUGGESTIONS AND BRING IT BACK TO YOU IN AN AMENDMENT WHICH STRIKE YOUR UNDERLYING FORMAT WITH THAT ANALYSIS ON A NORMALLY SIZED 20 LOT TO GIVE YOU THAT COMPARISON.

AND THAT CAN'T BE RENTED.

YOU CAN'T AND CAN'T BE RENTED.

THERE CAN'T BE ANY KIND OF CHARGE FOR WHOEVER LIVES THERE OR STUDIES.

I WAS GOING TO SAY, UNLESS YOUR BROTHER IN LAW MOVES IN.

THEY WANT TO CHARGE ME, MAYBE DOUBLE, DOUBLE THE COST.

THEY ALSO WON THIS.

AND WE DID SAY THERE WOULDN'T BE A SEPARATE METER FOR ANYTHING ON THE PRIMARY METER CANNOT BE SUBDIVIDED.

SO THE HEIGHT REQUIREMENTS, BECAUSE THAT'S ANOTHER BULLET LINE, THERE'S ALREADY SOMEWHAT OF A HEIGHT REQUIREMENT DEPENDING ON HOW FAR AWAY YOU ARE FROM THE.

BILL LINE, YOU CAN GO UP TO 16FT IF YOU'RE RIGHT ON THE PROPERTY LINE.

IT LOOKS LIKE YOU CAN GO UP ANOTHER FOOT FOR EVERY TWO FOOT YOU'RE AWAY FROM THE PROPERTY LINE.

IS THAT FOR BUILDING LIMITED TO ONE STORY, THERE'S A LIMIT FOR ONE STORY.

FOR A SINGLE LEVEL, YOU'RE GOING TO YOU WILL HAVE SPECIFIC RESTRICTIONS OR LIMITATIONS FOR THE SERVANTS QUARTERS IN OUR 20, THAT'S GOING TO BE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN WHAT YOU'RE SEEING IN U.S.

42. GOTCHA.

IS IT THE DESIRE OF THE COMMISSION FOR US TO RETHINK THE NAME OF SERVANTS QUARTERS TO ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT ACCESSORY UNIT.

SECONDARY UNIT CABANA.

MY SON HAD A GREAT OBJECTION TO THAT.

OKAY, WE'LL WORK ON THAT AS WELL.

WE'LL BRING SOME OPTIONS.

SURE. YEAH.

THOSE ARE MY PERSONAL. YEAH, BUT ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANT US TO DO A MOTION FOR? THAT SOUNDS GOOD.

YEAH. IF YOU COULD DO A MOTION TO NUMBER THREE, I THINK THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.

AND I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT THE STAFF WILL.

TO THE DRAFT AMENDMENTS AND EDITS TO THE EXISTING ZONING ORDINANCE AND BRING BACK TO A FUTURE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION WORKSHOP.

GUARDIAN ISSUE WITH THIS LIST OF ITEMS, WITH THE LIST OF ITEMS DISCUSSED A QUESTION.

IT SAYS WORKSHOP, WHICH MAY BE ANOTHER 3 OR 4 MONTHS AWAY.

DO YOU ALL WANT TO HAVE THE OPTION TO REVIEW IT SOONER THAN THAT? WE WANT TO SEE IT AS SOON AS IT'S AS SOON AS IT'S READY.

NO, THAT'S PERFECT. WE CAN BRING IT BACK AT A BRIEFING SESSION AS AN AGENDA ITEM FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION AT A REGULAR MEETING.

THAT'S WHAT I THINK.

AS SOON AS IT'S READY, WE WANT TO SEE IT.

DO I NEED TO LIST THE CHANGES WE'RE LOOKING? WE HAVE THOSE ALL DRAFTED.

WE'VE TAKEN NOTES. CAN I SECOND THAT? OKAY. THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT. ALL IN FAVOR? OKAY, GREAT.

RIGHT NOW, I'D LIKE TO GO TO ITEM NUMBER EIGHT.

[8. Receive a report, hold a discussion and provide staff direction regarding electric vehicle (EV) charging stations in non-residential zoning districts, and take any necessary action.]

AND THIS IS. REPORT WITH DISCUSSION OF THE ELECTRIC VEHICLE CHARGING STATIONS.

AND JUST A LITTLE BACKGROUND.

I QUESTIONED THIS, I GUESS, BACK ABOUT 2 OR 3 MONTHS AGO WHEN WE HAD THOSE THAT WERE INSTALLED AT THE CORNER OF DUDLEY AND NORTHWEST HIGHWAY. AND MY CONCERN THERE WAS THAT WHEN THOSE SHOWED UP AND THEY DIDN'T APPEAR TO BE IN CONJUNCTION WITH ANY BUSINESS, IN ESSENCE WAS A NEW BUSINESS, YET IT REQUIRED NO P AND Z OR COUNCIL ACTION.

AND TO ME, IT'S A BUSINESS IN A CENTER THAT HAS PARKING REQUIREMENTS FOR THE BUSINESSES THAT ARE THERE.

AND IT APPEARED TO ME THAT THAT DIDN'T MAKE SENSE.

I MEAN, SO WHEN I TALK WITH ERIC ABOUT IT AND I TALKED WITH BRUNO ABOUT IT, THERE WAS CERTAINLY NO DISAGREEMENT.

WE MAY NEED TO LOOK AT THAT BECAUSE THAT'S GOING TO BECOME MORE AND MORE OF AN ISSUE AS WE CONTINUE TO GO ALONG.

AND THEN TO OUR TO MY SURPRISE AT LEAST, AND WE'LL SEE THAT HERE IN A MINUTE, THERE'S QUITE A FEW BECAUSE I REMEMBER WHEN THEY PUT THE ONE IN AT THE OLD PANCAKE HOUSE OVER BY CLASSIC CHEVROLET.

THEY PUT ONE IN INITIALLY.

DIDN'T THINK MUCH ABOUT THAT, BUT I DON'T EVEN THINK IN THE BEGINNING THEY CHARGED FOR IT.

I THINK YOU COULD JUST PULL UP.

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YOU COULD PLUG IN IF YOU HAD A TESLA HOOKUP AT THAT POINT.

BUT WE'VE CERTAINLY PICKED UP SOME MORE.

AND I HAD ONE GENTLEMAN THAT OWNS PROPERTY IN TOWN THAT SAID HE WAS APPROACHED BY A GENTLEMAN THAT WANTED TO COME IN AND TAKE A PORTION OF THE LOT, SUBDIVIDE IT AND JUST PUT A BUNCH OF CHARGING STATIONS IN IT.

AND IT WAS OVER CLOSE TO WHERE THE A LOT OF THE AUTOMOBILE SALES PLACES ARE, WHICH HE THOUGHT HE MIGHT BE ABLE TO PICK UP SOME USE FROM THOSE.

AND I DIDN'T KNOW HOW HOW GOOD THAT WOULD BE FOR US JUST TO HAVE A SINGLE PURPOSE ON A LOT LIKE THAT.

BUT THERE'S REALLY NOTHING IN THE ORDINANCE.

AND AS IT CURRENTLY STANDS, THESE WERE BEING APPROVED THROUGH STAFF EVER SINCE THE ONE AT THE OLD PANCAKE HOUSE.

AND AND I'LL TURN THIS OVER TO ERICA TO START SO WE CAN START THE DISCUSSION.

BUT SHE'S GOT THE MAP AND YOU SAW IT.

I THINK THAT SHOWED WHERE WE HAD STATIONS THAT ALREADY EXIST AND SOME HAVE A NUMBER OF STATIONS OR SOME ONLY HAVE A COUPLE AND SO FORTH. BUT I'LL I'LL QUIT.

BUT I WANT YOU TO KNOW WHAT PROMPTED THIS DISCUSSION NOW.

AND I KNOW THAT.

PROBABLY THE FIRE PEOPLE HAVE SOME INTEREST IN THIS AS WELL IN TERMS OF SAFETY ISSUES AND SO FORTH.

SO WE PROBABLY NEED TO TRY TO CONSIDER HOW WE WANT TO HANDLE THOSE WITHIN THE OUR CITY.

I KNOW SOME CITIES HAVE ORDINANCES, SOME DO NOT, BUT WE JUST WANT TO BE SURE WE'RE ON TOP OF THIS, TO BE SURE WE'RE TRYING TO DO THE CORRECT THING AND MAKE IT HAPPEN IN A SAFE MANNER.

OKAY. IS THERE ANY KIND OF PERMITTING WHEN THEY COME TO IS IT A PERMIT? SO HISTORICALLY, BEGINNING IN 2011, WHEN THE FIRST ONES WERE PUT IN AT THE ORIGINAL PANCAKE HOUSE.

A SIMPLE PERMIT FOR BUILDING INSPECTIONS.

SINCE THEN, IT'S EVOLVED A LITTLE BIT MORE, BUT THEY'VE BEEN DONE AT THE STAFF LEVEL THROUGH AN AMENDMENT TO THE SITE PLAN.

MOST OF.

THERE ARE EVEN SOME.

AND I'M NOT GOING. JUST TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, THERE ARE SOME PROPERTY OWNERS THAT HAVE JUST PUT THEM IN WITHOUT ANY TYPE OF PERMITTING OR.

OKAY. THE SPREADSHEET THAT WAS PROVIDED TO YOU OR A TABLE, WE TRIED TO PUT THE PERMIT NUMBERS ASSOCIATED WITH THE ONES THAT WE HAVE RECORD OF, EITHER THROUGH THE ELECTRICAL PERMIT OR SITE PLAN.

REVIEW OR APPROVAL PROCESS.

AND THEN THIS MAP THAT WAS PROVIDED TO YOU AS AN EXHIBIT TO THE AGENDA MEMO ARE THE THE ONES THAT ARE ON THAT TABLE RIGHT THERE.

WE DID NOT INCLUDE THIS IN THE POWERPOINT PRESENTATION.

BUT IT IS PROVIDED TO YOU IN YOUR BACKUP MATERIALS AND ALSO ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE IN AN AGENDA.

BUT CAN I ASK ONE MORE QUESTION ABOUT THE FERMENT? SURE. SORRY. WHAT ABOUT SO IF THEY DIDN'T PERMIT, ARE THERE ANY CONSEQUENCES OR WHAT? SO THEY JUST DON'T PERMIT AND WE DON'T HAVE ANY AUTHORITY AS THE CITY TO WE WE COULD GO BACK AND WE COULD CITE THEM FOR WORK WITHOUT PERMIT AND HAVE THEM COME IN FOR A PERMIT.

BUT THEN WE ALREADY ARE HERE BECAUSE OF THE LARGER DISCUSSION OF, WELL, SHOULD THEY EVEN BE PERMITTED WHEN I SAY PERMITTED, NOT SHOULD THEY EVEN BE ALLOWABLE THROUGH AN ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESS SUCH AS A SIMPLE ELECTRICAL PERMIT OR SITE PLAN APPROVAL AT THE STAFF LEVEL PROCESS? SO WE'RE LEARNING ABOUT MORE AND MORE MAINLY IN MULTIFAMILY PARKING STRUCTURES, PRIVATE OFFICE DEVELOPMENTS.

A LOT OF TIMES THESE ARE BEING PUT IN AFTER CONSTRUCTION IS BEING COMPLETED.

THEY'VE GOT THEIR CERTIFICATES OF OCCUPANCY.

THE BUILDINGS HAVE BEEN FILED.

SO. I KNOW.

I THINK IT'S ONE THING, TOO, ABOUT THESE.

BEFORE WE GO ON, I WANT TO ASK MR. SMITH THAT YOU WANT THE SAME THING NOW OR ARE YOU GOING TO WAIT? YEAH, SURE. AND SEE.

IT SOUNDS LIKE ABOUT THE RIGHT TIME.

ALL RIGHT. SO BASICALLY, I'M BRIAN SMITH.

I'M THE SENIOR PERMITTING MANAGER FOR CORE ESTATES GROUP FOR ENGINEERING AND CONSTRUCTION.

AND WE DO HAVE SEVERAL CLIENTS WHO ARE NOW KIND OF A LARGER SCALE FUELING FACILITIES, YOU KNOW, BP, 7-ELEVEN. WE DO.

WE HAVE SEVERAL CLIENTS THAT DO THIS.

AND WHAT WE'RE FINDING OUT IS, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY THERE'S THERE'S A FEDERAL PUSH TO GET A LOT OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE IN AND ALL THESE AGENCIES.

AND WE WORK IN ALL DIFFERENT STATES THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY.

AND REALLY, THE ISSUE THAT WE'RE FINDING IS, YOU KNOW, LIKE YOU MENTIONED, THERE REALLY ISN'T A DEFINED USE THAT THESE TYPE OF FACILITIES KIND OF FIT IS, YOU KNOW, KIND OF LIKE TRYING TO PUT IN A ROUND PEG IN A SQUARE HOLE.

SO WE DO HAVE AGENCIES.

I KIND OF PUSH BACK A LITTLE BIT AND SAY, LOOK, YOU KNOW, WE JUST WON'T ALLOW THIS TYPE OF USE.

IT'S NOT DEFINED.

OR WE JUST CAN'T SUPPORT IT.

SO BUT NOW WE'RE STARTING TO SEE A LOT OF THESE AGENCIES SAY, HEY, YOU KNOW, WE REALIZE THIS IS LIKE THE FUTURE, THIS IS WHAT WE NEED.

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SO WE'LL FIGURE OUT A WAY TO DO IT.

AND SO THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE'RE WE'RE SEEING A LOT MORE OF.

NOW, THE ISSUE WHEN IT COMES TO PERMITTING IS SOMETIMES WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH A CFP, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

BUT WE WERE WE WERE HAVING TO DO THAT MORE IF WE WERE TRYING TO PUT IN LIKE A CONVENIENCE STORE, YOU KNOW, ELEMENT TO IT.

BUT WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING NOW IS JUST MORE LIKE A LOUNGE FACILITY WITH RESTROOMS. SO THERE'S NO REAL SALES OTHER THAN VENDING MACHINES.

AND SO THAT KIND OF PUT US BACK INTO THIS REALM WHERE WE DIDN'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH A CFP.

SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S AND WHAT IT IS, IS, YOU KNOW, IT BECOMES A HEALTH AND SAFETY ISSUE FOR JUST PERMITTING AND USUALLY BE OVER STAFF LEVEL TO GET THESE THESE PROJECTS APPROVED. SO THAT'S THAT'S REALLY ALL I WAS WANTING TO.

MENTIONED THAT OTHER CITIES DO SUPPORT THAT.

OKAY. THANK YOU.

AGAIN. IT IS WHAT'S GOING TO COME.

SO I DON'T HAVE ANY ISSUE WITH THIS, BUT I THINK WE WANT TO BE SURE WE CONTROL IT AND THAT THAT FROM A SAFETY PERSPECTIVE AS MUCH AS ANYTHING, BUT ALSO IS HOW IT IMPACTS THE GRID.

I THINK WE'VE GOT TO BE CONCERNED, ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY PUT IN 15, 20 OR 30 OF THESE IN ONE LOCATION AND THEY'RE BEING USED AND WE HAD THESE 110 DEGREE DAYS AND THERE'S NO WIND ON ERCOT IS NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO PRODUCE THE AMOUNT OF ELECTRICITY WE NEED FOR THINGS TO.

SO I THINK WE'VE GOT TO CONSIDER WHAT OUR FAIL SAFE MEASURES BECAUSE THOSE THINGS SHOULD BE SHUT DOWN BEFORE RESIDENCES LOSE POWER.

SO I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT THIS FROM A PRETTY GLOBAL PERSPECTIVE TO SEE.

AND ALSO IT IS A BUSINESS JUST LIKE MR. SMITH SAID, IF THEY'VE GOT A LOUNGE, PEOPLE COME IN AND THEY GOT A BUILDING AND THEY'RE SELLING VENDING MACHINES, BUT THEY'RE OUT THERE PUTTING THEIR CREDIT CARD IN A CHARGE MACHINE, THAT'S A BUSINESS THAT NEEDS TO BE REGULATED JUST LIKE ANY OTHER BUSINESS IN THE CITY, IN MY OPINION, ANYWAY.

SO I THINK IT'S TIME WE TAKE A LOOK AT THIS TO SEE ABOUT NOT SO MUCH CONTROLLING IT, BUT JUST TRYING TO MAINTAIN THE SAFE LEVELS AND ALSO TO PROTECT ALL THE OTHER BUSINESSES AND HOMES WITHIN THE CITY IN TERMS OF ANY POWER ISSUES THAT MAY OCCUR, ESPECIALLY FOR THESE THAT HAVE A LARGE NUMBER OF THOSE IN PLACE.

SO I'M I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY, WE ALSO NEED TO LOOK AT BECAUSE YOU GO SOME PLACES AND THEY HAVE ADVERTISING ON THEM.

SCREEN WITH ADVERTISING.

I CAN SPEAK TO THAT A LITTLE.

I WAS I SAID, I THINK TOM THUMB AND LEWISVILLE, AND THERE WERE SOME THERE.

I MEAN, IT HAS ADVERTISING THERE.

SO, I MEAN, WHAT DO WE ALLOW ABOUT THAT? SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE ARTICULATED TO BUSINESS OWNERS OR THE COMPANIES.

INSTALL THESE IS THAT IF THEY HAVE LIKE A TV SCREEN MONITOR WHERE THEY'RE SELLING AND IT'S CHANGEABLE, COPY THAT.

THAT'S CONSIDERED OFF PREMISE ADVERTISING AND IT'S PROHIBITED.

OKAY. OKAY. AS LONG AS BECAUSE.

OKAY. BUT WE HAVE NOT RESTRICTED IF IT'S A SPECIFIC TESLA TYPE OF UNIT IF THEY HAVE THE NAME.

OH, THAT'S OKAY. I WAS JUST THINKING OF THE SCREENS THAT I'VE SEEN.

SO THEY WERE SOMEWHERE LIKE A CUT OR SOMETHING.

THEY COULD ADVERTISE THE CUT IF IT'S PART OF THAT THEIR SCREEN, BUT NOT THEY COULDN'T ADVERTISE.

INSURANCE COMPANY. INSURANCE COMPANY.

YEAH. AND ONCE YOU OPEN THE DOOR TO THAT, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO REGULATE WHETHER THE ADVERTISING IS RELATED TO THE PRIMARY USE OF THE PROPERTY.

CORRECT. YEAH. YEAH.

THEN YOU'RE JUST ALLOWING LITTLE BILLBOARDS ON EACH OF THE.

CORRECT. AND WE DON'T WANT THAT.

SO I THINK WHAT STAFF IS LOOKING FOR IS DIRECTION ON.

WOULD YOU LIKE US TO DEVELOP A DEFINITION ANY USE AND WHERE YOU WOULD FEEL THAT IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE AND NOT APPROPRIATE? UNDER WHAT LIMITATIONS OF.

IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE, NOT APPROPRIATE.

ALL OF THE ABOVE. AND I KNOW THAT AGAIN, I KNOW THAT THE FIRE FOLKS HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT THAT.

AND I GUESS ESPECIALLY WITHIN ENCLOSED AREAS WHERE THESE MIGHT BE INSTALLED, IT PUTS A DIFFERENT LIGHT ON IT.

IN TERMS OF FIRE SAFETY, I WOULD SUSPECT.

SO. I WOULD CERTAINLY WANT THEM TO HAVE YOUR EAR ABOUT THAT AS WELL.

BUT I GUESS WE'RE KIND OF OUT.

WE'RE HERE, BUT DON'T HAVE MUCH TO SPEAK FROM OTHER THAN TO OFFER OUR CONCERNS AND AND THAT WE PROBABLY NEED COME UP WITH SOME SOME VIABLE

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ORDINANCE TO TO ADDRESS IT AND TO AND THERE NEEDS TO BE A PROCESS THAT GOES THROUGH APPROVAL OF THESE TWO.

AND AND I'M NOT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT MIGHT BE APPROVED AT A STAFF LEVEL COMPARED TO WHAT MAY NEED TO BE APPROVED THROUGH A ZONING TYPE ISSUE AS WELL.

HAVE QUESTION. ONCE THESE WERE INSTALLED, LET'S SAY IT'S AN OFFICE BUILDING THAT PUTS IN TO SO SO CONTRACTOR INSTALLS THEM.

IS THAT OPERATED BY A THIRD PARTY ALL THE TIME, OR IS IT JUST THERE LIKE ANY OTHER FIXTURE IN THE BUILDING AND JUST GOES ON? ELECTRICITY BILL? OR IS THERE ARE THEY ALWAYS OPERATED BY A THIRD PARTY? I DON'T KNOW THE DETAILS BEHIND THAT.

I MEAN, THE CLIENTS WE WORK FOR, IT'S ALWAYS A THIRD PARTY.

SO BASICALLY ONE OF OUR CLIENTS WILL COME IN AND LEASE A PORTION OF A SITE AND THEN THEY'LL TYPICALLY GET THEIR OWN ADDRESS FOR LIKE THE ELECTRICAL METER. SO THE BILLING IS SEPARATED OUT.

SO IT'S LIKE I WAS TALKING ABOUT THE BUSINESS.

IT'S A BUSINESS. SO YOU'VE ESTABLISHED A NEW BUSINESS WITHIN THE BUSINESS, RIGHT? JUST LIKE IF YOU HAD A CAR WASH IN THE OFFICE.

AND SO WHAT ABOUT I DON'T KNOW WHETHER WHAT TAXES ARE INVOLVED WITH THAT OR SALES TAXES ARE INVOLVED WITH THAT.

BUT IF WE DON'T HAVE ANY CONTROL OVER KNOW WHAT HAPPENS OR HAVE AN APPROVAL PROCESS, THERE'S NO WAY TO EVEN TRACK THAT INFORMATION BECAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW WHETHER THE OFFICE BUILDING PURCHASED THOSE AND PUT THEM IN FOR THEIR EMPLOYEES.

THERE'S ACTUALLY NO CHARGE FOR THEM.

OR IF IT'S THE THIRD PARTY OR IF IT'S GOT A THIRD PARTY OR THERE'S, YOU KNOW, A CHARGE FOR THE USE OF THE MACHINES FOR THE CHARGING.

SO ALL THAT HAS TO COME INTO PLAY AND AND HOW WE NEED TO DEAL WITH IT FROM FROM A CITY PERSPECTIVE.

WHAT WOULD THE RAMIFICATIONS BE IN THE MINDS OF OUR OF OUR GOOD FIRE OFFICIALS IF THESE WERE INSTALLED IN A PARKING GARAGE? WHETHER IT BE AN APARTMENT BUILDING, PARKING GARAGE OR THE VAN'S PARKING GARAGE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

YEAH, THAT WAS KIND OF WHAT I'VE BEEN PRODDING ABOUT, SO.

SURE, GERALD YEAH, SURE.

I'LL TAKE A STAB AT IT.

BRIAN'S STUDIED AND LARRY BOTH.

SO ALL WE'VE, WE'VE BEEN RESEARCHING THIS QUITE HEAVILY BECAUSE WE DO ERICA AND MY TEAM AND HER TEAM HAVE BEEN RESEARCHING HOW MANY OF THESE WE ALREADY HAVE.

AND WE WILL WE WILL COME FORWARD AND SAY IF THEY'RE IN A PARKING GARAGE, TO YOUR QUESTION, HEY, THAT'S REALLY NOT A GOOD APPLICATION BECAUSE OF THE WHAT IFS, RIGHT.

THE ONES THAT WE HAVE CURRENTLY, WE DO HAVE SOME IN PARKING GARAGES RIGHT NOW AND THEY'RE USUALLY ON THE LOWER LEVEL.

WE'VE EVEN CONSIDERED IF WE HAVE THEM IN THE FUTURE TO PUT THEM ON THE TOP LEVEL, BECAUSE WHEN THESE THINGS DO START ON FIRE AND YOU HAVE A THERMAL RUNAWAY WITH THE BATTERIES AND THE AUTOMOBILES, THERE'S NOT A GOOD WAY TO PUT THOSE OUT.

OR FRANKLY, IF YOU SEE ONE OF THOSE CARS BURNING ALONG THE FREEWAY, WE'RE GOING TO MAKE SURE NOBODY GETS AROUND IT.

WE'RE GOING TO LET IT BURN. BECAUSE I'VE TALKED TO COLLEAGUES ALL ACROSS AMERICA ABOUT THE NUMBER OF THE HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF GALLONS OF WATER.

I SAID HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS IT TAKES TO PUT THOSE OUT.

AND THE FACT THAT YOU HAVE THEN YOU HAVE THE ALL THE RUNOFF TO DEAL WITH, THAT'S HAZARDOUS.

SO PUTTING THEM IN A PARKING GARAGE, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT PUTTING THEM AT LEAST ON THE UPPER FLOOR WHEN YOU PUT THEM DOWN BELOW AND IT'S ALREADY HAPPENED.

THE HIGHER THE FIRES BURNED SO INTENSELY THAT AND THEY'VE HAD PARKING GARAGES FAIL BECAUSE IT CAUSES CONCRETE SPALL RELEASES THE POST-TENSION CABLES OR WHATEVER AND HAVE COLLAPSES.

SO WE HAVE SOME GREAT CONCERNS.

AND BRIAN AND LARRY, AM I TALKING PRETTY MUCH THE RIGHT AND THAT'S JUST KIND OF THE HIGH LEVEL TALK, BUT WE'RE VERY CONCERNED.

YEAH. I'VE GOT ANOTHER QUESTION ON THE SO THERE'S ONE I THINK IT'S ON WARD STREET RIGHT ACROSS FROM ESPARZA'S, AND IT'S REALLY CLOSE TO THAT BUILDING.

AND IS THERE LIKE, SHOULD THERE BE A DISTANCE? SO YES, WE WHEN THE THING IS BEING BEING RIGHT NEXT TO THE BUILDING IS NOT AS BIG A CONCERN AS WHERE IS THE SHUT OFF? OKAY. WHERE DO WE HAVE TO GO TO KILL THE POWER THAT'S FEEDING THAT CHARGING STATION? AND WE WORKED WITH THE NEW FILLING STATION CAR WASH THERE AT A ROOF WALL ON NORTHWEST HIGHWAY TO WHERE THEY PUT CUTOFFS

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INSIDE THE BUSINESS SO WE CAN GET IN THERE BECAUSE THERE AND THEN WE TALKED TO THE THE INSTALLERS AS THEY WERE INSTALLING IT DULY AND NORTHWEST HIGHWAY, AS MR. OLIVER WAS TALKING ABOUT.

AND THE ENCORE FOLKS SAID, LOOK, IT'S NOT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE PROBLEMS HERE BECAUSE THERE'S THERE'S A CUTOFF ON THE CHARGING STATION.

BUT THE CARS ON FIRE, WE MAY OR MAY NOT BE ABLE TO GET THAT CLOSE.

THERE'S ALSO ANOTHER CUT OFF INSIDE THE CHARGING STATION THAT HE SAID, AND I'M NOT AN ELECTRICIAN, BUT THAT'S 400 OR 500 AMPS AND VOLTS.

I SAID, I'M NOT STICKING MY HAND IN THERE.

AND HE'S AN ONCOR PERSON.

SO WE HAVE A GREAT CONCERN WITH THIS.

WE KNOW THEY'RE COMING.

WE KNOW THAT SOME PEOPLE HAVE THESE BATTERY PACKS IN THEIR GARAGES.

WE'RE SO WE WANT TO DEFINITELY BE A PART OF THIS SOLUTION AND TALK THROUGH SO WE CAN BEST TAKE CARE OF THIS.

ANOTHER QUESTION. YES, MA'AM? IS THERE ANY IS THERE ANY KIND OF YEARLY INSPECTION REQUIRED? LIKE LIKE I KNOW AN OFFICE BUILDING.

THE FIRE DEPARTMENT GOES IN AND CHECKS THE EXTINGUISHERS AND ALL THAT IS THERE.

PERSONALLY, DON'T KNOW. NO, I DON'T BELIEVE WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING RIGHT NOW OTHER THAN THE RETRO, WHICH IS ALL WE HAVE.

WOULD THAT BE SOMETHING WE WOULD WANT TO CONSIDER OR NO? WELL, I THINK YOU CERTAINLY COULD CERTAINLY TALK ABOUT ARE THEY REGULATED ON THE STATE? THE DEPARTMENT'S WEIGHTS AND MEASURES AND EQUIVALENT EVENT.

NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF.

I MEAN, THIS GENTLEMAN SOUNDS LIKE A PRETTY, YOU KNOW, AN EXPERT AND HE MAY HAVE SOME THOUGHTS THERE, BUT NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF.

AND THE WHOLE THING, TOO, WITH REGARDS TO THE THE ELECTRIC CAR FIRES THAT WE'RE GOING TO DEAL WITH AND HOW CLOSE IT IS TO BUILDINGS, ETCETERA.

THEY ONCE IT'S ON FIRE AND THOSE BATTERIES ARE GOING TO RUN AWAY.

THERE'S THOSE CARS CAN CAN SPONTANEOUSLY MOVE UNLESS THERE'S A PLUG THAT ACTUALLY MAKES THEM THINK THAT THEY'RE CHARGING. BUT ALL THOSE MANUFACTURERS ARE DIFFERENT.

SO THIS YOU KNOW, WHEN WE'RE TRYING TO WHEN ALL THIS GREEN ENERGY STARTED COMING, NOBODY SAID, HEY, LET'S TRY TO THINK ABOUT THIS AND MAKE THE SAME CUT OFF, SWITCH THE SAME SO WE COULD BUY A PLUG TO THIS THIS DIFFERENT AUTOMOBILES.

THERE'S A TESLA PLUG.

THERE'S ANOTHER THERE'S SOME OF THOSE MANUFACTURERS THAT ARE WORKING TOGETHER NOW, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF THEM THAT'S ALREADY OUT.

SO THERE NEEDS TO BE A CUT OFF SWITCH FURTHER AWAY FROM THE CHARGING STATION.

WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO ISOLATE THE POWER GOING TO THAT.

THEN WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE FIRE SO WE CAN PUT THAT.

IT'S COMPLICATED, ISN'T IT? OH, IF I COULD INTERJECT FOR JUST A MOMENT.

WE ARE MOVING FORWARD WITH ADOPTING THE 2021 AI CODES.

I'LL BE PRESENTING THEM TO THE BUILDING BOARD OF APPEALS.

THIS COMING? 2014.

AND THEN OF THE COUNCIL ON THE 17TH.

LOOK. SO PART OF THOSE AMENDMENTS TO THAT CODE WILL REQUIRE THAT REMOTE SHUT OFF SWITCH FOR ANY FUTURE STATIONS GOING IN. AND THOSE AMENDMENTS WILL ALSO PROHIBIT FUTURE INSTALLATION WITHIN A PARKING GARAGE.

OKAY, THAT'S GOOD. I GOT A QUESTION ON THAT.

WOULD THAT ALSO INCLUDE RESIDENTS? WILL THERE BE A CUT OFF SWITCH ON RESIDENTS? SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING WOULD BE EXEMPT FROM THOSE REQUIREMENTS.

OKAY. WHERE IS THE CUT OFF SWITCH FOR RESIDENTS? IT WOULD JUST BE THE METER.

OKAY. JUST ON THE EXTERIOR ANYWAY.

ACTUALLY ON WAIT FOR ALL THEM TO GET THEIR HOME.

OKAY. FIREFIGHTERS WORK.

YEAH. AND I CAN'T CONFIRM THAT.

WE DO PROPOSE, LIKE EMERGENCY STOP VALVES OR SWITCHES AND AND WHATNOT.

USUALLY THE UNITS THEMSELVES HAVE DISPENSER UNITS WILL HAVE AN AUTOMATIC.

YOU KNOW, TRIGGER THAT IF SOMETHING HAPPENS TO IT, IT'LL JUST SHUT OFF.

THEN IT CAN SHUT OFF.

THE EQUIPMENT UPSTREAM FROM.

SO THOSE ARE IMPLEMENTED IN THIS.

IN HEARING ABOUT THE CHANGES THAT YOU'RE GOING TO BE BRINGING FORTH.

AND IT PROHIBITS THE INSTALLATION OF THESE IN PARKING GARAGES AND IT REQUIRES A SHUT OFF.

OKAY. WE HAVE MR. CITY ATTORNEY. WE HAVE SOME THAT ARE ALREADY IN PLACE THAT MAY NOT HAVE THAT SHUT OFF.

CAN WE ENACT AN ORDINANCE AS PART OF THIS THAT WILL REQUIRE THEY HAVE A SHUT OFF INSTALLED AND WITHIN A PERIOD OF TIME TO DO IT SO THAT WE'RE COVERED WITH SHUT OFFS THROUGHOUT THE CITY? ANSWERS.

YES. OKAY.

COULD COULD THE STAFF PLEASE INCLUDE THAT IN WHATEVER ORDINANCE YOU COME UP WITH THIS OR.

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MATT, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU WANT TO DO IT, BUT IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE WE WOULD BE WELL SERVED TO DO THAT SO WE CAN GO RETROACTIVE FOR THOSE FOR THOSE THAT DON'T HAVE CUT OFF THAT WE'VE ALREADY THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN INSTALLED, MAYBE EVEN WITHOUT PERMIT, THEN WE NEED TO HAVE A SHUT OFF FOR THOSE AS WELL.

THE STATE LAW IS GOING TO HANDLE THOSE GOING FORWARD, BUT THAT WE'VE ALREADY GOT WE NEED TO HAVE A SHUT OFF FOR THOSE AS WELL.

OKAY. ADOPTION OF THE NEW FIRE CODE GOING ALONG WITH THE BARRY WAS TALKING ABOUT WE CAN RETRO YOU CAN RETRO THOSE.

THANK YOU. OKAY.

THANK YOU. OKAY. DON'T YOU ASK THE BOARD OF APPEALS FOR THAT RETRO.

MOVE ON. DO WE HAVE ANYTHING IN THE PIPELINE OF ANYBODY REQUESTING A PERMIT OR ANYTHING RIGHT NOW? SO WE HAVE HAD A PRE-APPLICATION MEETING WITH MR. SMITH AND HIS STAFF ABOUT A STAND ALONE DEVELOPMENT WITHIN AN EXISTING PLANNED COMMERCIAL CENTER, WHICH WOULD BE A BANK OF, I BELIEVE IT WAS ABOUT 40 CHARGING STATIONS. AND THEN A STRUCTURE THAT'S LIKE A LOUNGE WITH RESTROOM SEATING AND VENDING MACHINES.

BUT THAT'S MUCH DIFFERENT THAN ANYTHING ELSE THAT'S BEEN PERMITTED OR INSTALLED IN THE CITY.

REALLY, WE ALSO NEED SOME DIRECTION AS TO WHETHER YOU WANT TO ALLOW THESE AS A SECONDARY USE TO EXISTING PROPERTIES OR IF YOU ALSO WANT TO ALLOW THEM AS A PRIMARY STANDALONE.

THAT'S WHAT LEADS ME TO MY NEXT QUESTION.

MR. BOYLE, IS THERE ANY WAY WE COULD, ONCE THERE'S A PLACE TO DO THAT, HAVE A MORATORIUM ON THOSE UNTIL WE GET OUR ORDINANCE ESTABLISHED? SHORT ANSWER IS YES.

I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO DO SO WE CAN GET OUR DUCKS IN A ROW.

ANYTHING TO BE INSTALLED LIKE THIS THROUGH THE PERMIT PROCESS UNTIL WE COME UP WITH A AND WE NEED TO DO THAT QUICKLY, COME UP WITH A VIABLE ORDINANCE AND METHODOLOGY FOR APPROVING THOSE.

WE DECIDE WHAT LEVELS IT BECOMES, YOU KNOW, WHEN IT BECOMES A CFP AND YOU KNOW WHERE IT IS.

RIGHT. I AGREE. I THINK THAT'S GOOD.

I JUST I'M HAVING A HARD TIME UNDERSTANDING THE LOUNGE CONCEPT SO THEY COULD PUT A LOUNGE ON THE PARKING LOT AND IT WOULD BE PRIMARY USE, BUT WITHOUT ANY KIND OF PSC, IT WOULD BE LIKE A GAS STATION FOR CHARGING STATION.

WELL, WE DON'T HAVE TO APPROVE, SO BASE.

OKAY. SO BECAUSE IT'S STANDALONE, WE WERE INFORMING THEM THAT, YES, THEY WOULD NEED TO GO THROUGH THAT CONDITIONAL USE PROCESS BECAUSE IT'S A BUILDING, IT'S A DEVELOPMENT, IT'S A PRIMARY USE, BUT IT'S ALSO PART OF A LARGER PLAN COMMERCIAL CENTER WITH MULTIPLE LOTS AS PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT.

AND ANY CHANGE TO THAT PLAN, COMMERCIAL CENTER REQUIRE THEM TO COME BACK THROUGH THAT APPROVAL PROCESS AND SITE PLAN CONSIDERATION PROCESS.

SO WE HAVE THAT PART WHEN THE LOUNGE AND THE BUILDING BASICALLY COVERED ALREADY.

DO WE REALLY JUST BARELY? BECAUSE ONLY BECAUSE THAT'S THEIR INTERPRETATION OF IT, RIGHT.

BUT SEE, I DON'T SEE THAT ANY DIFFERENT THAN DOOLEY AND NORTHWEST HIGHWAY.

IT'S A BUSINESS. A SEPARATE BUSINESS, RIGHT? IT'S IN A STRIP CENTER AREA.

IT'S NOT TIED TO ANY OF THE OTHER BUSINESSES THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE THROUGH A PERMIT.

I THINK IT SHOULD GO THROUGH. WELL, THAT'S WHY I SAY WE'VE GOT TO DECIDE WHICH ONES, THOSE THAT ARE GOING INTO HOMES.

THAT MAY NOT BE AN ISSUE POTENTIALLY, BUT WE NEED TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION ABOUT THOSE AND HOW MANY THEY CAN HAVE AND AT WHAT POINT IT BECOMES A BIG YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE PUTTING TWO IN AT YOUR OFFICE BUILDING OUTSIDE, THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN YOU'RE PUTTING IN TEN AT A SHOPPING CENTER, LIKE YOU SAID, YOU KNOW, FOR WHATEVER, THEY'RE VERY DIFFERENT.

YOU HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT POINT IT BECOMES ONE VERSUS THE CRITICAL.

WE JUST STOP IT UNTIL WE GET SOMETHING.

BUT I THINK WE NEED TO ACT QUICKLY BECAUSE BECAUSE IT IS THE THING THAT'S COMING TRUE.

SO WE JUST NEED TO MAKE SURE WE'RE WHERE WE WANT TO BE WITH THEM TO MAKE SURE THAT HAPPENS IN A SAFE AND ORDERLY WAY.

FOR THIS QUESTION ON THE TYPES.

FIRST, FROM A FIRE STANDPOINT, IS THERE A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN LEVEL ONE, 2 OR 3, OR ARE THEY ALL BAD? OKAY. WELL, I'M NOT I DON'T HAVE WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT, SO I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH ANYTHING YOU'RE AWARE OF AND OR MOST OF THEM NOW BEING INSTALLED. THE FAST CHARGING WAS THE 122.

YOU SEE, I DON'T HAVE I DON'T HAVE THAT KNOWLEDGE THAT OUR PROJECTS ARE TYPICALLY PROPOSING LEVEL TWOS. OKAY.

SO A LEVEL THREE IS FAIRLY RARE.

I THINK THOSE ARE FOR LIKE LARGE TRUCKS.

TRUCKS? YEAH. OKAY.

OKAY. VEHICLES.

OKAY. WHICH IS LARGE.

I'M SORRY. DC FAST CHARGING.

OKAY. AND

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SO ALSO SAID.

SINCE WE COULDN'T DO A MORATORIUM, WE NEED TO DO THAT PRETTY QUICKLY AND MAKE SURE WE DON'T HAVE ANY GOING THROUGH PERMITS.

WELL, WE DON'T HAVE IT AS AN PERMITTED USE IN ANY CATEGORY.

SO THAT CAN STOP THE STAFF PERMITTING RIGHT THERE AND GIVE YOU SOMETHING TO HANG YOUR HAT ON.

IN THE MEANTIME. THAT'S A POLICY.

I'M SORRY. THAT WOULD BE AN UPDATE TO OUR INTERNAL POLICY.

YES. ALL RIGHT. SO WE COULD PROBABLY GET IT ON THE NEXT COUNCIL AGENDA HERE IN TWO WEEKS.

ERICA AND MATT, YOU ALL COULD WORK ON DOING THAT.

MATT SAYS YES, SO.

OKAY. CAN I ASK A QUESTION THEN? I MEAN, IT COULD BE ON THE AGENDA WITHIN A COUPLE OF WEEKS.

I MEAN, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT COULD BE REVIEWED AND ACTUALLY KNOW MORE? WHAT'S THE MORATORIUM NOW, JUST WHILE WE WHILE WE FIGURE OUT WHAT WE'RE DOING? SO IS THERE IS THERE AN IDEA OF TIMING FOR SOMETHING? CREATED. THAT'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE UP TO STAFF, HOW QUICK WE CAN PUT SOMETHING TOGETHER TO CONSIDER.

THAT WOULD BE A QUESTION FOR THEM.

PUTTING ME ON THE SPOT. RIGHT? REALISTICALLY. REALISTICALLY, GO WITH THE SHORT ANSWER.

YOU KNOW, WE WOULD NEED SOME INDICATION IF IT'S IF THE DESIRE IS ONE OR 2 OR 3 AND WE'RE GOING TO SCALE THESE IN.

THE LARGER THE SCALE, THE MORE INVOLVEMENT.

WE COULD COME UP WITH SOMETHING VERY QUICKLY.

IF YOU'RE CONCERNED ABOUT LOCATION OF THEM ON THE PROPERTY.

UM, WE CAN COME UP WITH SOMETHING PRETTY QUICKLY.

YOU PROBABLY HAVE SOMETHING TO YOU BY THE SEPTEMBER JOINT MEETING DATE.

DURING THE BRIEFING SESSION FOR YOUR REVIEW.

WELL, WE WANT TO BE THOROUGH WITH IT.

WE DON'T WANT TO WE DON'T WANT TO JUMP TOO EARLY EITHER, BUT WE WANT TO TRY TO GET IT ACCOMPLISHED AS QUICKLY AS WE DRAG IT OUT.

YEAH. BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE THOSE THAT HAVE AN INTEREST IN IT.

BUT WE WANT TO DO IT IN A WAY THAT WE'RE NOT DISAPPOINTED IN WHAT WE DO AS WELL.

I MEAN, THERE MAY BE QUESTIONS WE DON'T EVEN KNOW TO ASK.

IT'S A HEALTH SAFETY ISSUE.

WE'VE GOT SOME THAT PROBABLY ARE NOT PERMITTED.

WE'VE GOT SOME THAT THAT PROBABLY DON'T EVEN KNOW ABOUT.

IT'S GOING TO HAVE LONG RANGE CONSEQUENCES, GOOD OR BAD.

AND WHILE IT IS COMING, WE'VE GOT TO DO WHAT'S RIGHT FOR GRAPEVINE.

AND I'M SURE OTHER CITIES HAVE GOT SOME DOCUMENTS THAT WE CAN REFER TO THAT WILL STAFF AND DON'T FEEL RUSHED OR DO WHATEVER YOU NEED TO DO TO FEEL COMFORTABLE IN GETTING THIS.

AND IF IT'S NOT SEPTEMBER, IF IT'S OCTOBER OR WHENEVER, YOU ALL ALWAYS DO A GOOD JOB AND PROVIDE QUALITY DOCUMENTS FOR THE STAFF, AND I'M SURE YOU WILL ON THIS TOO, AND THEY'LL GET IT DONE AS SOON AS THEY CAN.

THAT'S THE ANSWER. OKAY.

ANYTHING. ANYBODY ELSE.

GET A COMMENT. SUPPORT FOR SURE.

OKAY. NOW WE'RE GOING TO GO TO ITEM NUMBER SIX, WHICH IS ABOUT THE.

[6. Hold a discussion and form a Planning and Zoning Commission Subcommittee to review and make recommendations for amendments to the Planning and Zoning Commission Bylaws.]

CARLOS LORD, I KNOW YOU'VE GOT A COPY OF THOSE.

I THINK I HANDED ONE OUT MORE THAN A YEAR AGO.

THESE HAVE NOT BEEN REVIEWED SINCE OR HAVE NOT BEEN CHANGED SINCE 1999, WHICH IS PRETTY GOOD TIME AGO. THERE WERE SOME CHANGES.

WE WERE TOLD THAT WERE GOING TO BE MADE.

THAT NEVER HAPPENED.

SO THOSE THINGS LIKE THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED.

SO WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS YOU TAKE YOUR TIME TO LOOK THESE OVER IS I'D LIKE TO APPOINT A COMMITTEE OF MYSELF AND.

BETH AND JASON THAT WILL SIT DOWN AND GO THROUGH THOSE SPECIFICALLY AND COME UP WITH SOMETHING TO BRING BACK FOR YOU TO LOOK AT.

BUT THEN THAT WILL GIVE YOU A CHANCE TO REVIEW THEM.

IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR THINGS THAT WE MAY NOT HAVE ADDRESSED OR WE DID AND YOU DON'T LIKE, WE'LL BE ABLE TO HOPEFULLY GO THROUGH THOSE RATHER QUICKLY AND TRY TO GET SOMETHING TO SUBMIT FOR ANY REVISIONS THAT MIGHT BE NECESSARY.

UNLESS YOU HAVE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS.

NOW, WE. MOVE ON AND WE'LL TRY TO DO THAT SOON.