[4A. Commission to conduct a public hearing relative to an application for a Certificate of Appropriateness #CA22-65 for the property located at 701 South Main Street, legally described as Block 27, Lot 1 thru 9 and Alley of E, City of Grapevine and take any necessary action.]

TAKES US TO ITEM NUMBER FOUR ON OUR AGENDA, WHICH IS OUR PUBLIC HEARING.

AND A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC MAY ADDRESS THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION REGARDING AN ITEM ON THE AGENDA DURING THE COMMISSION'S CONSIDERATION OF THE ITEM BEING RECOGNIZED BY THE CHAIRMAN OR BY CONSENT OF THE COMMISSION.

UPON BEING RECOGNIZED, PLEASE COME FORWARD TO THE PODIUM AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS BEFORE SPEAKING AND AGAIN IN ACCORDANCE WITH TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT.

THE COMMISSION IS RESTRICTED IN DISCUSSING OR TAKING ACTION DURING CITIZEN COMMENTS.

I'LL NOW DECLARE THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN AND WE'LL START WITH CA 22-65.

OKAY. THIS IS SUBMITTED BY THE CITY GRAPEVINE CONVENTION AND VISITORS BUREAU.

CHRIS LAUGENOUR, WHO'S WITH THIS GROUP AND IT'S FOR CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW DISPLAY PAVILION TO BE LOCATED IN THE FRONT AREA OF THE FOUNDERS BUILDING AT 701 SOUTH MAIN STREET.

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WHAT THIS WOULD BE, IT WOULD BE FOR THE DISPLAY OF WE HAVE HISTORIC VEHICLES IN THE CITY, A COLLECTION OF THINGS.

THIS IS THE SITE.

IT'S A VACANT AREA.

A LOT OF PEOPLE STAND AROUND IN THERE LOOKING AT THE THE SHOOTOUT THAT GOES ON ON TOP OF THE CVB TOWER.

SO WE KIND OF CALL IT THE VIEWING PLAZA, BUT IT WAS ALREADY THERE.

IT'S JUST IT'S VACANT SPACE IN FRONT OF THE FOUNDERS BUILDING.

FOUNDERS BUILDING WAS ESTABLISHED AND WORKED UP TO GO ALONG WITH THE RESTORED DEPOT BACK IN THE 1990S AND IT WAS IT SERVED THE FOUNDERS BUILDING SERVED MANY DIFFERENT PURPOSES THROUGH THE YEARS.

IT WAS LIKE A VISITOR INFORMATION CENTER.

IT'S BEEN THE FESTIVAL STORE FOR FESTIVALS, IT'S BEEN FOR LIKE CHRISTMAS CAPITAL OF TEXAS.

IT'S WHERE THEY HAVE THE STORE FOR, FOR ALL THE THINGS FOR THE VISITORS TO PURCHASE.

SO THIS IS THE VACANT AREA RIGHT OUT IN FRONT.

SO WE HAVE PLANS HERE FOR THE STRUCTURE SO IT WOULD BE BUILT.

WELL, THE PLANS HAVE BEEN PREPARED BY EXCERPT STUDIO ARCHITECTS AND IT FOLLOWS DESIGN GUIDELINES FOR THE COTTON BELT RAILROAD HISTORIC DISTRICT, WHICH IT'S IN THE BUILDING WOULD HIRE OR SORRY, WOULD HOUSE, PARTICULARLY SOME ITEMS LIKE THE 1920S ERA FIRE TRUCK, OUR MRS GRAPEVINE GRAPE CRUSHER TRUCK, AND THERE'S AN OLD POLICE CAR AND OTHER THINGS.

SO AS YOU LOOK AT THE FRONT HERE, YOU'LL SEE ALONG MAIN STREET HAS PLATE GLASS WINDOWS, LIKE AN OLD WOODEN STYLE STOREFRONT WITH GLASS.

IT HAS A OVERHANGING FLAT AWNING TO MODULATE THE SUN THAT'S COMING INTO THE BUILDING ON THE INSIDE OF THE BUILDING.

IT'D BE JUST ONE BIG IT'S ONE BIG SQUARE LIKE SPACE JUST ALL OPEN.

AND THEN IT HAS A LITTLE LEG THAT GOES UP ON ONE SIDE TO HAVE A LITTLE MORE ADDITIONAL SPACE.

IT'S BUILT AROUND THE TREE.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE SITE PLAN RIGHT THERE, YOU CAN SEE THE EXISTING TREE.

PEOPLE ARE FOND OF THAT TREE.

IT'S NOT INTRUDED UPON BY THIS DESIGN.

THE SIDE WALLS, THE NORTH WALL AND THE SOUTH WALL ARE THEY'RE EITHER GOING TO BE ROLL UP DOORS, BUT WE WOULD PREFER TO HAVE THIS SORT OF FOLDING TYPE DOOR THAT YOU SEE IN A LOT OF HIGH END RESTAURANTS AND ENTERTAINMENT ZONES WHERE IT FOLDS IN ABOUT THREE PIECES AND IT MAKES LIKE AN AWNING WHEN IT'S FOLDED UP, WHEN IT'S OPEN.

SO A LOT OF TIMES THIS BUILDING WOULD JUST BE CLOSED AND GLASS ENCLOSED.

SO YOU COULD SEE THE VEHICLES FROM OUTSIDE.

BUT LIKE DURING FESTIVALS, THESE WALLS CAN OPEN.

AND THE PUBLIC, WHEN WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE AROUND, CAN FLOW THROUGH IT.

IT'S NOT REALLY INTENDED TO HAVE LIKE A FLOOR IN IT.

IT WOULD BE JUST THE PAVING.

SO IT'S JUST IT'S JUST LIKE GROUND.

IT'S LIKE AN OUTDOOR PAVILION THAT THAT YOU CAN CLOSE THE WALLS IN ON IT.

SO IT'S IT'S NOT TRYING TO BE A BUILDING.

SO THAT'S I MEAN, A SEPARATE BUILDING.

IT'S A SEPARATE BUILDING NOT TRYING TO BE PART OF THE ORIGINAL BUILDING.

SO THAT'S WHY IT'S SET OUT SEPARATE FROM THE FOUNDERS BUILDING BY DESIGN AND THEN THE FOUNDER.

BUILDING WITH ITS WRAP AROUND WALKWAY JUST REMAINS OVER THERE.

WE CAN BUILD CLOSELY TO THE OTHER BUILDING BECAUSE THIS IS THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT ZONING, WHICH THERE'S YOU CAN BUILD RIGHT UP TO THE PROPERTY LINE AND RIGHT UP TO OTHER BUILDINGS.

IT WILL HAVE A FIREWALL ON THAT ONE SIDE.

THE FIRE TO REDUCE FIRE SPREAD.

THE SIDE TOWARD THE FOUNDERS BUILDING.

SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE BOTTOM WHERE IT SAYS WEST ELEVATION, YOU LOOK AT IT, IT LOOKS PRETTY MUCH THE SAME AS THE BUILDING LOOKS.

NOW, THE ROOF LINE IS JUST ABOUT TWO FEET LOWER THAN THE FOUNDERS BUILDING ROOF.

SO IT'S REALLY PRETTY SIMPLE.

IT'S MEANT TO BE JUST UTILITARIAN, JUST AS THE FOUNDERS BUILDING.

IS THAT SORT OF BUILDING? LET ME SEE WHAT ELSE I HAVE HERE.

THE SIDING WOULD BE BOARD AND BATTEN WOOD SIDING STAINED TO MATCH THE FOUNDERS, BUILDING THE TRIM AROUND THE WINDOWS AND THE STOREFRONT WOULD BE THE SORT OF A DARK SALMON COLOR, LIKE THE TRIM ON THE DOORS ON THAT BUILDING.

EVERYTHING WOULD BE THE SAME TO MATCH.

SO IT'S VERY LOW KEY BACKGROUND BUILDING.

IT'S NOT TRYING TO BE A FOREGROUND BUILDING, IT'S NOT TRYING TO BE FANCY.

IT'S TRYING TO BE VERY UTILITARIAN KIND OF BARN LIKE.

OKAY. THANK YOU, DAVID AND THE APPLICANT LIKE TO SAY ANYTHING IN ADDITION.

HELLO, CHRIS. WELL, HI, CHRIS LAUGENOUR, MANAGING DIRECTOR OF OPERATIONS.

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IT'S NICE TO FINALLY COME UP HERE AND MEET YOU GUYS AND TALK TO YOU GUYS.

WE ARE OBVIOUSLY VERY EXCITED ABOUT THIS PROJECT.

IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'VE BEEN WANTING TO DO FOR A WHILE.

IT'S BEEN ONE OF MY PROJECTS.

I WAS FIRST GIVEN TO ME WHEN I GOT HERE TO GET THIS THING GOING, SO WE'RE EXCITED TO DO IT.

DAVID DID A GREAT JOB OF OF OVER REVIEWING IT, BUT BASICALLY, LIKE DAVID SAID, IT'S A JUST A BUILDING WHERE WE CAN HIGHLIGHT SOME OF OUR OLDER VEHICLES TO THE PUBLIC AS THEY'RE WALKING THROUGH THE THE THROUGH THE DEPOT AREA AND WALKING TOWARDS THE DOWNTOWN.

GIVE THEM A GOOD OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO KIND OF SHOW OFF SOME OF OUR HISTORIC VEHICLES, WHETHER THEY'RE HEADING DOWNTOWN AND DUAL USE.

SO WHEN WE DO HAVE A FESTIVAL AND WE DO NEED TO TAKE THE VEHICLES OUT, WE CAN USE IT FOR FOR THINGS THAT ARE NEEDED DURING FESTIVAL TIME AS WELL.

SO WE'RE REAL EXCITED ABOUT THIS PROJECT.

THANK YOU. GREAT. THANK YOU.

APPRECIATE YOUR WORK.

COMMISSION QUESTIONS.

YEAH. SEAN, I HAVE ONE.

HOW MANY VEHICLES ARE GOING TO BE STORED IN THE OR? IT'S NOT REALLY STORED IN IT.

THEY'RE DISPLAYED IN THERE.

YEAH, PROBABLY THREE.

IT COULD PROBABLY HOLD MORE THAN THAT.

BUT WAS IT NOT POSSIBLE TO HAVE PUT THE VEHICLES IN THE FOUNDERS BUILDING? BECAUSE I MEAN..

THIS WOULD BE LEFT THERE KIND OF YEAR ROUND EXCEPT WHEN WE DO OTHER THINGS WITH IT.

OKAY. BUT WE USE THE FOUNDERS BUILDING EVERY DAY FOR VARIOUS ACTIVITIES.

OKAY. THIS TO ME IS A CYNICALLY UNPLEASING THAT YOU'RE I MEAN, THE FACADE OF THE FOUNDERS BUILDING THE PORCH IS REALLY NICE.

AND THIS LOOKS LIKE SOMEBODY JUST DUG UP BLOCK IN FRONT OF IT.

I MEAN, YOU'RE GOING TO BLOCK OFF.

I'M SORRY. SORRY.

YOU'RE GOING TO BLOCK OFF THE WHOLE FRONT OF THE FOUNDERS BUILDING.

ALTHOUGH, TO ME, THAT LITTLE SPACE BETWEEN THE TWO AFTER DARK IS NOT THAT SAFE.

IT TO ME, IT'S JUST I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO ENHANCE OUR DOWNTOWN AT ALL.

I THINK IT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE.

WELL, THEY JUST THOUGHT THEY'D THROW A BARN LIKE STRUCTURE HERE SO THEY CAN PUT THOSE VEHICLES IN THERE AND NOT I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU COULD JUST COMBINE IT WITH THE FRONT OF THE FOUNDERS BUILDING, YOU KNOW, MOVE IT BACK A LITTLE BIT, SO IT'S KIND OF MERGED INTO THE FOUNDERS BUILDING.

BUT TO ME, IT JUST, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST LIKE, WELL, LET'S JUST STICK A BIG BOX HERE.

AND I DON'T THINK IT'S TO ME IT'S NOT GOING TO ENHANCE OUR DOWNTOWN AT ALL.

DAVID, WERE OTHER LOCATIONS CONSIDERED? NO, THIS IS THE LOCATION THIS HAS BEEN THOUGHT ABOUT PROBABLY FOR ABOUT 15 TO 20 YEARS HAS BEEN THE IDEA.

SOME OF THE OTHER VERSIONS OF IT, THERE'S ACTUALLY BEEN SOME DRAWINGS PREPARED OF IT IN THE PAST, WAS TO MAKE IT LIKE A LIKE A GLASS GREENHOUSE, YOU KNOW, LIKE ALL GLASS, LIKE GLASS PAVILION THAT HAD BEEN THOUGHT ABOUT.

BUT THEN THIS CAME BACK AROUND THIS ITERATION.

AND THIS IS PRETTY MUCH ENVISIONED BY THE CVB PROGRAM IN PW AND SUCH.

WHO'S NOT HERE, BY THE WAY, TONIGHT, BUT..

LIKE DO YOU VIEW THE THE FOUST'S HEARSE AS A VALUE ADD THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I KIND OF SAW THE VISION OF WHAT THEY WERE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH. I DIDN'T LIKE LOSING THE PORCH VIEW, BUT..

NOW SO IT'S SORT OF THAT'S THE NATURE OF IT.

THERE'S ALSO ONE OTHER THING THAT IS DISCUSSED IN THIS IS THAT, YOU KNOW, HOW DURING CHRISTMAS THERE'S A LIKE A MERRY GO ROUND TYPE THING, A CAROUSEL THERE THAT WOULD BE ABLE TO BE INSTALLED INSIDE OF THE STRUCTURE.

SEE IF YOU LOOK AT THE PLAN, HOW IT'S SQUARE, THAT'S THE DIMENSION OF THIS.

SO IT'S DESIGNED SO THAT THAT THAT ITEM COULD BE SET UP INSIDE OF HERE AND WHICH COULD BE A REALLY NICE PLUS THING BECAUSE MOST CAROUSELS ARE ALL UNDERCOVER. IF YOU GO TO CITIES THROUGHOUT THE UNITED STATES, THEY'RE ALL UNDERCOVER LIKE THIS.

SO TO ME THAT A BUILDING WITH GLASS WALLS OR TEMPORARY GLASS OR WHATEVER WOULD BE MUCH MORE ESTHETICALLY PLEASING THAN BECAUSE YOU COULD STILL SEE THE FOUNDERS BUILDING IN THE BACKGROUND.

IT WOULD STILL HIGHLIGHT THE ANTIQUE VEHICLES THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE VERY PROUD OF..

FROM THE, I TRIED TO DO A LITTLE MOCK UP HERE.

IF YOU LOOK AT THIS PROPOSED STREET VIEW.

SO YOU'RE GOING TO SEE A LOT OF GLASS AT EYE LEVEL.

IT'S A LOT OF GLASS.

IT'S ABOUT NINE FOOT HIGH, THE GLASS AREA.

SO WHEN YOU DRIVE BY, YOU CAN REALLY SEE IN THERE AND GO BACK TO THE SEE THE SIDE VIEW.

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IT'S ALL GLASS. IF I HEAR A LOT OF GLASS WITH IT, THE REAR OF THE BUILDING ALSO HAVE GLASS.

SO YOU'LL HAVE GLASS ON BOTH SIDES.

YOU WOULD HAVE TALL GLASS WINDOWS ON BOTH THE FRONT AND THE BACK.

SO I CAN I COULD STAND IN THE FRONT AND SEE ALL THROUGH THE BUILDING AND SEE THE FACADE OF THE FOUNDERS FIELD.

RIGHT. OKAY. THAT DIDN'T THAT.

DAVE, IS IT GOING TO BE HEATED AND COOLED? NO, NO.

AND IT'S RIGHT ON MAIN STREET.

RIGHT. JIM, WILL YOU REPEAT YOUR QUESTION? YES, SIR. I'M SORRY.

WILL YOU REPEAT YOUR QUESTION? THE PREVIOUS ONE? YEAH. IT'S IS IT GOING TO BE HEATED AND COOLED? NO, NO. AND IN MY FOLLOW UP QUESTION WAS, IT'S RIGHT ON MAIN STREET.

OKAY. IT'S ALSO IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.

YEAH, THIS IS IN THE THIS IS THE COTTON BELT RAILROAD.

IT'S A NATIONAL REGISTER HISTORIC DISTRICT.

AND IT'S A CITY HISTORIC DISTRICT.

AND THIS BUILDING MEETS ALL THOSE REQUIREMENTS.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS BEFORE WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING? YES, SIR. IT'S A QUESTION AND A THOUGHT.

REALLY. I DON'T KNOW A WHOLE LOT ABOUT COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE, BUT I AM FAMILIAR WITH THE TERM HIGHEST AND BEST USE.

IS THIS REALLY THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE OF THIS PIECE OF LAND? IT'S A FUNCTIONAL PIECE OF THE FESTIVAL ACTIVITY, LIKE FOR THE FESTIVALS, BUT FOR CITIZENS ALIKE, IT'S GOING TO BE USED EVERY DAY AND IT ACTUALLY GIVES MORE FUNCTIONALITY AND SUPPORTS THE NEEDS OF THE PROGRAMS THAT WE HAVE, LIKE PUTTING THE CAROUSEL IN THERE FOR SEVERAL MONTHS DURING THE CHRISTMAS CAPITAL PERIOD.

AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE EVER SEEN THE CAROUSEL BUILDINGS.

THERE'S ONE AT THE DALLAS ZOO.

IT LOOKS JUST LIKE THIS.

IT'S JUST A VERY SIMPLE SQUARE LIKE BUILDING.

AND THEN THE CAROUSEL FILLS THE WHOLE INSIDE.

BUT THEN THIS WILL BE CHANGING.

WE CAN HAVE OTHER KIND OF EXHIBITS IN IT, BUT IT'S PRIMARILY GOING TO HOUSE, I WOULD SAY, TWO THIRDS OF THE YEAR.

I MEAN, THE WAY IT'S BEEN EXPRESSED TO ME OVER TIME, MAINLY THOSE THE CAR COLLECTION, I MEAN, IT'S NOT CARS, IT'S VEHICLES.

INTERESTING, BEAUTIFUL VEHICLES.

SO IT GIVES HONOR AND RESPECT TO THOSE ITEMS TO HAVE THIS, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, NOBODY CAN SEE THEM.

THEY'RE NOT BEING SEEN.

THEY'RE HIDDEN AWAY.

DAVID, I SEE YOU HAVE A SOUTH AND A WEST ELEVATION, BUT I DON'T SEE A NORTH OR AN EAST ELEVATION.

ARE THEY IDENTICAL? YEAH, THE THE NORTH AND THE SOUTH ARE IDENTICAL, EVEN THOUGH IT JUST SHOWS US ONE.

YEAH, THAT WOULD LOOK EXACTLY THE SAME.

DAVID, WHAT IS THE HOW MANY FEET FROM THE FROM THIS STRUCTURE TO THE PORCH? YOU KNOW, I SEE THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY.

IT JUST LOOKS LIKE THAT.

I THINK INSIDE THERE'S ABOUT PROBABLY ABOUT 18, 17FT, MAYBE FROM THE BUILDING TO BUILDING BECAUSE THAT PORCH IS PRETTY WIDE.

AND THEN THERE'S SEVERAL MORE FEET THERE, ROUGHLY SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

SO 17FT FROM FROM THE BUILDING OF THE BUILDING TO FACE THE BUILDING.

YEAH. SO YOU KIND OF HAVE ROOM TO WALK THROUGH, BUT NOT TO GATHER.

YEAH, THERE'S PLENTY OF ROOM TO WALK THROUGH THERE.

IN THE BACK OF IT TOO, WILL BE GLASS.

SO AS YOU'RE WALKING ALONG THE UNDERNEATH OR YOU CAN LOOK IN FROM THE BACK AS WELL.

SO. ANY FINAL QUESTIONS? I WANT TO GO BACK TO SEE THIS.

THERE'S ACTUALLY A STRING.

SEE THAT STRING OF STRUCTURES THERE? SOME ARE ATTACHED, SOME ARE NOT ATTACHED.

THAT'S THAT'S THE NATURE OF THE AREA.

SO THIS FEELING WAS THIS ONE COULD JUST BE ANOTHER A DETACHED STRUCTURE.

WE'RE ALSO CONTEMPLATING IN THE FUTURE WHERE YOU SEE THE DRIVEWAY COMING THROUGH.

THERE'S ACTUALLY TWO DRIVEWAYS DOWN THERE.

WE HAVE ANOTHER HISTORIC STRUCTURE.

WE'D LIKE TO LOCATE ONE OR THE OTHER OF THOSE TWO DRIVEWAYS AND WE'D BE COMING BEFORE YOU WITH THAT LATER.

BUT IT'S A STRUCTURE WE ALREADY OWN AND WE'D LIKE TO PLACE THERE THAT IT WOULD BE OF INTEREST.

SO WE'RE KIND OF ENRICHING THIS AREA WITH THIS.

BUT THIS THIS IS MULTI DISPLAY BUILDING.

OKAY. I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

SO MOVED. THANK YOU, MARGARET.

SECOND. SECOND BY ERIC.

ALL IN FAVOR. RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.

MOTION PASSES TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

ALL RIGHT. COMMENTS. QUESTIONS.

WHAT DO YOU ALL THINKING? YOU WERE VERY CLEAR, MARGARET.

THANK YOU. YES, MA'AM.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS.

HOW ABOUT DOWN HERE? ANY OTHER COMMENTS? CONCERNS? SOME SAME CONCERNS THAT MARGARET HAS BASICALLY ABOUT THE ESTHETICS OF THE BUILDING.

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I AGREE. ANY THOUGHTS? AND IN REGARD TO HOW TO CURE YOUR CONCERNS, EITHER MAKE IT LOOK MORE LIKE THE FOUNDER'S BUILDING OR MORE LIKE THE TRAIN STATION.

MAKE IT LOOK LIKE THE SURROUNDING BUILDINGS, NOT LIKE SOMETHING THAT WAS PLUNKED DOWN WITH NO CONTEXT WHATSOEVER, WHICH IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE RIGHT NOW, FRANKLY.

THE SURROUNDING CONTEXT OF THE BUILDING, CONTEXT OF THE BUILDINGS AROUND IT MATTERS.

AND IT SHOULD FLOW WITH THOSE BUILDINGS, NOT JUST BE SOME.

IT LITERALLY LOOKS LIKE IT WAS JUST PLOPPED DOWN WITH NO CONTEXT WHATSOEVER.

IT'S GOING TO BE VERY VISIBLE FROM UP AND DOWN THE STREETS AND EVEN THE THE SIDE STREETS.

I MEAN, IT'S A PRIME LOCATION, IN MY OPINION.

I THINK JUST A SMALL PORCH, JUST SOMETHING TO CARRY IN THAT SAME ESTHETIC FROM THE FOUNDERS BUILDING THERE.

THERE HAVE BEEN SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT ATTACHING IT DIRECTLY ONTO THE BUILDING, AND THERE'S SOME ISSUES WITH ATTACHING IT DIRECTLY ON THE BUILDING.

IS THAT THE WALL? WE'VE LEARNED THAT THE EXTERIOR WALL OF THE BUILDING IS BEING THAT IT HAD BEEN A LUMBER YARD IS NOT A STRUCTURAL WALL.

IT'S MORE OF AN ENCLOSURE WALL.

THE FRONT WALL OF THE FOUNDERS.

SO IT'S NOT REALLY BUILT WITH A FOUNDATION SUFFICIENT TO ATTACH THIS DIRECTLY ONTO THAT BUILDING.

SO THERE ARE SOME ISSUES THERE AS TO WHY THIS WAS BROUGHT FORWARD THIS WAY.

SO AND THEN IT ALLOWS THAT THAT WRAPAROUND PORCH TO NOT BE CHANGED.

I MEAN, YOU COULD EXTEND THIS ROOF LINE OVER AND ATTACH IT ONTO THE BUILDING TO KIND OF CREATE THAT FLOW MORE.

LIKE MARGARET SAID, YOU BRING THIS..

AND IT MAKES THAT WESTERN PORCH PRETTY MUCH UNUSABLE.

BUT WHO'S GOING TO USE THAT PORCH WHEN YOU'VE GOT A BUILDING TWO FEET AWAY, RIGHT OFF THE EDGE OF THE PORCH? THAT'S NOT A PORCH. THAT'S SO.

BUT THAT THAT COULD EITHER BE, YOU KNOW, JUST A HALL, LIKE A CORRIDOR SPACE, YOU KNOW, LEFT OPEN, SO THAT THIS THIS APPROACH THAT WAS PREPARED.

I'M NOT THE DESIGNER OF THIS BUILDING.

THEY THIS IS WHAT WAS ASKED TO BE BROUGHT FORWARD BY THE DEPARTMENT.

AND THE IDEA WAS ALLOWING THE EVERYTHING TO STAY THE SAME ABOUT THE FOUNDERS BUILDING AND THEN ADD THIS.

SO THIS WAS A WAY OF GOING ABOUT THAT.

SO THIS WAS DONE INTENTIONALLY THIS WAY.

UNDERSTOOD. SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT LIKE BUILDING THE GARAGE IN FRONT OF THE HOUSE.

I THINK THAT'S AND THAT'S WHAT IT IS FUNCTIONALLY.

IT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE. IT IS A GARAGE, BUT YOU PUT IT IN THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE.

AND SO I THINK THAT'S WHERE THE STRUGGLE IS, IS THAT WITH THE FOCAL POINT, WELL, NEEDS TO BE THERE'S REALLY SHOWING OFF THESE VEHICLES THAT ARE THEY'RE MUSEUM QUALITY VEHICLES ARE VERY UNUSUAL AND..

THAT RAISES ANOTHER ISSUE IS THE PURPOSE OF THIS BUILDING TO PRESERVE THESE VEHICLES OR JUST TO DISPLAY THESE VEHICLES, DISPLAY THEM.

SO IT'S A MULTI-PURPOSE BUILDING DISPLAY.

IT'S A DISPLAY PAVILION.

IT'S USED IT'S OWNED BY THE CITY.

THE PROPERTY IS OWNED BY THE CITY.

HERITAGE FOUNDATION, DEVELOPED IT WITH FUNDS THEY RAISED AND IN VARIOUS WAYS.

AND AND THEN IT'S UTILIZED YEAR ROUND BY THE CONVENTION AND VISITORS BUREAU AS THEY OPERATE PROGRAMS. SO IT'S A PROGRAMMATIC BUILDING THAT MEETS NEEDS THAT EXIST.

COULD YOU EXPLAIN THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE THE PROGRAMMATIC NEEDS? OKAY. IT'S A IT'S JUST IT'S AN ENCLOSED COVERED PAVILION OUT OF THE WEATHER SO THAT LIKE DURING FESTIVALS AND ACTIVITIES, IT CAN ALSO BE USED.

THE WALLS COME UP.

YOU COULD HAVE PEOPLE WALKING THROUGH THERE TO WALK UP MAIN STREET.

WILL THE VEHICLES BE IN THE BUILDING AT THAT TIME OR WILL THEY BE MOVED INTO THE LOCATION? THEY WOULD BE MOVED.

THEY COULD BE MOVED OR THEY COULD JUST BE LEFT THERE.

YOU KNOW, SO GENERALLY, WHEN THE BUILDING IS NOT BEING USED, THE DOORS WOULD REMAIN CLOSED.

YOU JUST LOOK IN IT LIKE YOU DO DOWN AT THE HISTORIC HEARSE BY THE FUNERAL HOME, THE FUNERAL HOME.

IT'D BE THAT KIND OF THING. BUT IT'S YOU KNOW, YOU CAN SEE WHAT IT IS.

IT'S A BIG OPEN BARN LIKE STRUCTURE, ALMOST LIKE A POLE BARN.

IT'S ALMOST LIKE A POLE BARN, BUT IT HAS GLASS DOORS THAT YOU CAN CLOSE IT IN.

AND WHERE'S THE CAROUSEL GOING TO BE? OKAY. SEE THE PLAN? SEE THAT SQUARE PORTION? THAT'S WHERE IT WOULD BE LIKE.

LIKE IF YOU PUT A BIG ROUND CIRCLE IN THERE, THAT'S WHAT YOU'D PUT IT IN THERE DURING THAT PERIOD.

AND I'M HEARING MULTI USE.

MULTI USE YEAH. FUNCTIONAL AND DISPLAY NOT STORAGE MULTI USE FUNCTIONAL.

NO STORAGE AND SO PRESERVATION OF VEHICLES.

NO BUT DISPLAY.

YES. YEAH.

THE AND I THINK EVERYBODY'S COMMENTS YOU'RE HEARING DAVID I DON'T KNOW HOW TO AND THIS IS WHY WE WE HAVE THE ATTORNEY ON STAFF AFTER CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING DO WE NEED TO GO BACK AND REOPEN IT AND DISCUSS POSSIBLE CHANGES IN

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THE DESIGN OR..

YOU CERTAINLY HAVE IT WITHIN YOUR PREROGATIVE TO ASK ALL THE QUESTIONS THAT YOU'D LIKE.

OKAY. IN ADDITION, IF YOU WANT TO PROVIDE SOME DIRECTION TO THE APPLICANT AND THEN MAYBE RE CONSIDER THIS AT A FUTURE MEETING, THAT CERTAINLY ALSO IS AN OPTION AS WELL. WHAT IS LET ME ASK THIS.

IS THERE ENOUGH SUPPORT FOR THIS PLAN FOR SOMEONE TO MAKE A MOTION TO SUPPORT IN SUPPORT OF THE PLAN? OKAY. AND THEN IS THERE IDEAS OF OF HOW YOU MIGHT FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE WITH A PLAN? I LIKE THE IDEA.

I THINK IT'S FUNCTIONALLY I LIKE THE IDEA.

I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO HAVE A PLACE TO DISPLAY THE VEHICLES THAT GOES RIGHT IN LINE WITH IT.

I ALSO UNDERSTAND WHAT EVERYBODY ELSE IS SAYING ON ESTHETICALLY IS THAT THE FOCAL POINT WE WANT PEOPLE TO SEE.

BECAUSE WHEN YOU'RE DRIVING DOWN MAIN STREET, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THE BUILDING, YOU'RE NOT NECESSARILY GOING TO SEE THROUGH THE GLASS.

YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THE REFLECTION OF THE MODERN CARS DRIVING BY.

RIGHT. SO UNLESS THEY'RE OPEN.

I THINK THAT'S THE AND I DON'T KNOW I DON'T KNOW HOW IT COULD BE DESIGNED DIFFERENTLY TO BE MAYBE MORE ESTHETICALLY PLEASING.

BUT I THINK IT'S I MEAN, I DO THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA AND I LIKE THE MULTI-PURPOSE FUNCTIONALITY, BUT I IT'S IT REALLY DOES TO ME FEEL LIKE YOU'RE TRYING TO BUILD THE GARAGE IN THE FRONT YARD.

IDEALLY, IT WOULD BE NICE IF WE COULD PURCHASE THE LAND THAT WHERE THE FEED STORE USED TO BE AND PUT IT THERE BECAUSE..

THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

I KNOW I SAID, IDEALLY..

YOU'RE THINKING ACROSS.. THAT'S NOT AN OPTION FOR THIS PROJECT.

I UNDERSTAND. WELL, AND TO ME IT'S TOO VALUABLE TO PUT IT AT THE END OF THIS BLOCK OF BUILDINGS, TOO.

SO THAT'S NOT A GOOD SOLUTION.

YOU MEAN AT THE EAST END OF THE BUILDING OR THE? YES, SIR. OKAY. YEAH.

THE WHOLE THIS I MIGHT ALSO MENTION THIS HAS BEEN A DREAM OF SEVERAL PEOPLE, OUR DIRECTOR, OUR MAYOR TO HAVE THE IN A PROMINENT LOCATION THESE VEHICLES DISPLAYED.

SO THIS IS PART OF A DIRECTION AND A LONG TIME IDEA.

SO MAYBE WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN IS JUST SOME MORE SUGGESTIONS ABOUT ITS APPEARANCE, HOW IT WOULD LOOK.

MAYBE THAT'S WHAT WE SHOULD CONSIDER IS TABLING THIS VERSION.

IS THERE A NEED TO START CONSTRUCTION WITHIN THE NEXT? MAYBE THAT'S WHAT WE SHOULD DO IS JUST TO SEE IF WE CAN'T MODIFY THE, UNLESS YOU GUYS ARE SUGGESTING TO ME THAT YOU CAN'T SUPPORT ANYTHING IN FRONT OF.

IS THERE NOT? THE FOUNDERS BUILDING.

OH, I'M SORRY. NO, I'M JUST CLARIFYING.

IS THERE NOT SPACE DOWN AT ON THE PARK ON MAIN STREET WHERE THE CABIN IS? FOR THAT, I MEAN, THAT'S WHERE THE FIRE STATION USED TO BE.

THE ONE FIRE STATION IN GRAPEVINE USED TO BE THERE.

SO EVEN IF WE TOOK OUT SOME PARKING PLACES.

LET ME SHOW YOU THIS.

LET ME. ONE MOMENT.

THIS WHOLE AREA IS NOTHING BUT A BUNCH OF SHEDS.

SO THIS IS ONE MORE. THIS IS LIKE EXTENDING THE SHED ON DOWN, ESSENTIALLY, AND BUILT IN LITTLE BUILDINGS.

YOU KNOW, YOU GOT THE LITTLE BRAG HOUSE WITH THE RED ROOF DOWN THERE.

NOW WE'VE GOT AND THEN WE HAVE THE, YOU KNOW, THE OTHER SPECIAL BUILDINGS.

WE HAVE ANOTHER LITTLE SPECIAL BUILDING TO ADD DOWN THERE.

SO YOU HAVE LIKE A LITTLE VILLAGE OF SMALL THINGS.

AND THEN IT KIND OF CULMINATES INTO THIS MASSIVE SORT OF LONG BUT CRENELATED STRUCTURE.

SO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S PROBABLY OTHER EXPRESSIONS FOR HOW THE BUILDING LOOKS THAT YOU COULD.

BUT WE NEED SOME WE WOULD NEED TO I THINK YOU ALL WOULD NEED TO GIVE SOME DIRECTION OF WHAT YOU SEE SO THAT THE DEPARTMENT COULD UNDERSTAND CLEARLY WHAT IT IS YOU WANT TO SEE DIFFERENT.

AND THERE'S THERE'S NO WAY TO BACK IT UP TO WHERE IT IS NOT NECESSARILY ATTACHED.

BUT HERE'S THE FOUNDERS BUILDING WALL HERE IS THE WALL FOR THE NEW BUILDING.

SO THEY ACTUALLY BECAUSE WHEN YOU LOOK AT ALL THE OTHERS FOR BASICALLY THEY'RE ALL ATTACHED.

THERE IS ONE THERE IS A WALKWAY IN THERE.

SEE WHERE THE SIDEWALK IS THERE? THERE'S A WALKWAY THROUGH THERE DOWN THERE.

IT WAS JUST THE DIRECTION THEY CHOSE TO GO WITH THIS.

I THINK THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE A MORE..

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YOU WANT TO SEE IT ATTACHED TO THE BUILDING? I MEAN YOU. YEAH.

I MEAN IT'S OWN WALL THERE SO IT'S NOT ON TO THE FOUNDERS BUILDING AND I KNOW THAT USED TO BE CAMERON LUMBER COMPANY.

I UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT IF YOU JUST I THINK IT WOULD BE MORE COHESIVE AND IT WOULDN'T LOOK LIKE YOU JUST PLUNKED A BIG SQUARE BUILDING DOWN DOWN THERE.

AND SO OTHER SUGGESTIONS THAT YOU WOULD MAKE, I THINK IF YOU ALL COULD GIVE US A LIST.

GIVE A LIST TO THE.

I'M ACTUALLY THINKING IF YOU COULD CARRY THE SAME FACADE FROM THE FOUNDERS BUILDING TO THE FRONT OF THIS, IT WOULD ACTUALLY MAKE IT LOOK AS CHARMING AS FOUNDERS BUILDING, AS THE FOUNDERS BUILDING. BUT RIGHT NOW IT'S JUST A BOX IN FRONT OF A PORCH AND YOU WALK THROUGH THAT A LITTLE BIT.

SO IS THE SUGGESTION TO THEN CONNECT THIS STRUCTURE TO THE FOUNDERS BUILDING AND THEN BRING THE PORCH BACK ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE NEW ADDITION.

GET THE THE NEW BUILDING ALL THE WAY SO THAT IT IS ABUTS THE RIGHT BOUNDARY, BUT THEN CHANGE THE FRONT FACADE SO THERE'S NO PORCH.

OKAY. AND THEN YOU COULD DO THE PORCH ON THE FRONT OF THE WHOLE THING, RIGHT? SO THEN YOU COULD KIND OF WALK THROUGH THE CARS TO GET INTO THE FOUNDERS BUILDING, RIGHT? ARE THERE OTHER ENTRANCES TO THE FOUNDERS BUILDING? I THINK YOU'RE HEARING A LOVE FOR THE FOUNDERS BUILDING THAT I'M REALLY SURPRISED ABOUT.

SO I THINK THAT'S REALLY INTERESTING.

YEAH. SO THAT THAT MAY BE WHERE OUR MISS IS THAT PEOPLE LOVE THIS BUILDING, WHICH IS GREAT.

I THINK THAT IS GREAT.

HAS ANYBODY EVER SAID ON THE PORCH? NO. OKAY.

I HAVE NOT. I HAVE NOT, DON'T HAVE ANY INTENTION TO.

AND I BUT I THINK THAT'S THE FEEDBACK, DAVID, CHRIS, IS THAT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE.

SO I'M KIND OF HEARING IF WE DID THIS, THIS FACILITY, IF WE CREATED THE PORCH LIKE SETTING IN THE FRONT OF THIS BUILDING, THEN AS A COMMITTEE, IT WOULD BE MORE SUPPORTIVE OF THIS PROJECT.

JUST IT WILL CARRY THE SAME CHARM THAT'S CURRENTLY.

OH, NO, THAT'S WHAT I'M I UNDERSTAND.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE BECAUSE I KEEP HEARING WE'RE THROWING.

BUT I AGREE WITH THAT STATEMENT.

THIS IS DEFINITELY NOT JUST A GARAGE.

IT WAS PLANNED. THE LOOK FROM THE STREET, THE ROOFLINE IS THE SAME AS IT IS WITH THE FOUNDERS.

IT'S ALL GLASS GOING ALL THE WAY AROUND.

SO IT'S NOT JUST A BIG BUILDING THAT WE'RE JUST PUTTING THERE.

THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF THOUGHT TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S CONSISTENCY WITH THE FOUNDERS.

IT'S THE WE HAVE NOT DONE IS INCORPORATE THE PORCH, WHAT I CALL THE PORCH ELEMENT TO THAT.

AND BUT IF THAT'S IMPORTANT TO THE COMMITTEE, WE CAN GO BACK TO THE ARCHITECT AND DO THAT AND SEE IF WE CAN BE CREATIVE TO STILL THE INTENT AGAIN, IS TO PROVIDE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE VISITORS OF GRAPEVINE, ESPECIALLY THOSE GETTING OFF THE TRAIN AND VISITING AS THEY'RE WALKING TO THE DOWNTOWN IS TO BE ABLE TO DISPLAY THE THE HISTORIC VEHICLES THAT WE HAVE.

AND WE WANT HIM TO USE THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY TO DO THAT.

SO THANK YOU, CHRIS.

I MEAN, EVERYBODY, I THINK, IS IN AGREEMENT.

WE ALL LOVE THE IDEA.

YEAH, I LIKE THE IDEA.

AND THEN IF WE CAN BRING BLEND IN BETTER, SOME FINE TUNING ON THIS AND MAYBE IF THERE'S A NEED FOR ADDITIONAL COMMENTS FOR I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY WE'RE WILLING TO GIVE OPINIONS.

PERFECT. THANK YOU. YOU SHOULD PROBABLY ALSO INCLUDE SOME MORE VISUALS, YOU KNOW, A FACADE THAT MAYBE INCLUDES THE WHOLE FOUNDERS BUILDING OR SOME, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE A 3D RENDERING OR SOMETHING TO HELP SHOW THEM WHAT IT IS YOU'RE TRYING TO PROVIDE.

BECAUSE THE VISUALS YOU HAVE RIGHT NOW DON'T INCLUDE THE FOUNDERS BUILDING, AND THEY'VE MADE IT CLEAR THAT THE FOUNDERS BUILDING IS VERY IMPORTANT.

SO MAYBE PROVIDE MORE.

I THINK IT'S BEST TO SHOW THIS AS TABLED.

SO MAYBE IF I COULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO TABLE.

THANK YOU FOR THAT COMMENT, MONICA.

I APPRECIATE THAT.

AND THEN WE CAN REVIEW THAT NEXT MEETING.

I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE TABLE THIS A SECOND.

THANK YOU, JEN. THANK YOU. ASHLEY.

ALL IN FAVOR? RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.

ALL RIGHT. MOTION PASSES.

CHRIS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

IT TAKES US OVER TO ITEM B ON THE AGENDA AND THAT IS THE REVIEW OF CA

[4B. Commission to conduct a public hearing relative to an application for a Certificate of Appropriateness #CA23-08 for the property located at 814 East Wall Street, legally described as Block 2, Lot 2, D. E. Box Addition, City of Grapevine and take any necessary action.]

2308. THIS IS THE FINN RESIDENCE.

YES. THIS IS AN EXISTING HOUSE FROM 1948.

IT WAS THE SM PAYNE HOUSE AND HAS NEW OWNERS.

HANNAH AND JOHN FINN HAVE PURCHASED IT TO ADAPT IT TO BE THEIR FAMILY HOME.

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AND SO THEY'RE ADDING AN ADDITION AND ALSO A NEW TWO CAR DETACHED GARAGE TO THE REAR.

AND SO THIS CA WAS TURNED IN ON FEBRUARY 19TH FOR THIS PROPERTY.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE STREET VIEW PHOTOS, YOU CAN SEE IT THERE IN THE CENTER.

THERE'S HOMES TO THE LEFT AND THE RIGHT OF IT.

WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING TO DO IS KEEP THE ORIGINAL HOUSE AND PUT ADDITIONS ON IT, WHICH ARE PRETTY MUCH WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT LITTLE DRAWING BELOW, BE EVERYTHING TO THE LEFT OF THE NEW FRONT GABLE.

THEY WOULD BE PROPOSING TO ADD A PERIOD APPROPRIATE GABLE, LARGE GABLE AND A SMALL GABLE OVER THE ENTRYWAY BECAUSE THE HOUSE IS EXTREMELY PLAIN AT THE MOMENT AND THEIR ADDITIONS WOULD BE RATHER SIGNIFICANT.

THIS IS HOW THE HOUSE LOOKS RIGHT NOW.

YOU CAN SEE THE FRONT ELEVATION.

THESE ARE THE DRAWINGS OF IT AND THEN THE FLOOR PLAN OF IT.

IT'S A FIVE ROOM HOUSE.

I FOUND THE ORIGINAL TAX CARD IN BACK WHEN THIS WAS BUILT IN 1948.

A LOT VALUE WAS $440 AND THE HOUSE WAS 3400, I BELIEVE.

SO IT'S $3,800 HOUSE IN LOT.

NOW IT'S LIKE $400,000.

SAME HOUSE IN LOT.

OKAY. SO ANYWAY, THIS THEY HAVE AN ENGINEERING FIRM WHO DOES REALLY GREAT ENGINEERING DRAWINGS, SO THEY'RE A LITTLE BIT LESS ARTISTIC IN THE EXPRESSION WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE THE ELEVATIONS.

BUT WE'VE WORKED WITH THE FINN FAMILY BEFORE ON THEIR OWN CURRENT HOUSE.

THEY DID A FANTASTIC JOB BUYING THE HOUSE THAT WAS ONCE THE BOHEN HOUSE.

YOU MAY REMEMBER THAT, AND THEY RENOVATED IT.

AND IT'S JUST A WONDERFUL I MADE A WONDERFUL COTTAGE OUT OF IT.

BEAUTIFUL. AND THAT'S THE SAME NOTION WITH THIS.

SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE SITE PLAN THAT'S SHOWN HERE, YOU CAN SEE THAT WHERE THE FOOTPRINT OF THE ORIGINAL HOUSE IS RIGHT THERE, THEY'RE JUST BASICALLY ADDING TO THE EAST AND TO THE REAR.

THE NEW ADDITIONS AND THEN THEY'RE ADDING THE NEW TWO CAR GARAGE IN THE FAR BACK.

SO THIS IS THE THE NEW FLOOR PLAN, HOW IT EXPANDS OUT.

SO REALLY, IT'S TAKING THE SAME HOUSE AND MAKING IT, YOU KNOW, ADAPTED FOR MODERN LIVING STANDARDS AND MODERN WAYS.

SO IT HAS A VERY LARGE KITCHEN FAMILY ROOM IN THE BACK AND THEN REUSES THE FRONT ROOMS FOR AN ENTRY HALL AND BEDROOM AND BATHROOMS AND THEN THE NEW WING DOWN TO THE REAR AND THEN A LARGE ROOM ACCESSED FROM THE PATIO AT THE REAR. THIS IS LIKE THE ROOFLINES OF IT.

AND THEN THESE ARE ELEVATIONS.

THEY ALSO ADDED A DORMER OVER THE AREA WHERE IT'S THE BATHROOMS. THEY'RE IN THE FRONT.

AND THEN ON THE REAR, YOU CAN SEE THERE'S AN OUTDOOR FIREPLACE.

OTHER THINGS THERE.

SO AND THEN THE DETACHED TWO CAR GARAGE HAS A FOLDING WALL FOR AN OUTDOOR LIKE A PLAYROOM WORKSPACE, WHATEVER THING. JOINING THEM.

COOL. I THINK THERE'S IN THE PLAN.

I THOUGHT THERE WAS A PLAN IN HERE THAT KIND OF I MAY NOT HAVE THE ONE THAT INDICATES THAT WHERE THAT GOES BUT IT GOES IN THE JUST OUTSIDE HERE.

OUTSIDE, NEAR THAT FIREPLACE, THERE IS AN OUTDOOR POOL IN THE BACK.

SO THAT'S PRETTY MUCH THE.

THAT'S PRETTY MUCH THE PLAN.

WELL, THANK YOU, SIR. OKAY.

AND SO STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THIS, BUT IT WOULD REQUIRE A VARIANCE TO CREATE THE NEW 779 SQUARE FOOT TWO CAR DETACHED GARAGE WITH ATTACHED WORKSPACE.

AND THAT WOULD BE ACHIEVED BY COMBINING 500 SQUARE FOOT TWO CAR GARAGE ALLOWED BY THE ORDINANCE, THE 200 SQUARE FOOT ACCESSORY STORAGE BUILDING AND 79FT² OF LIVING AREA FROM THE HOUSE.

SO STAFF AND HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICER BUILDING OFFICIAL AND CVB DIRECTOR RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE VARIANCE FOR THE GARAGE.

THE SITE IS A LARGE SITE.

IT'S NOT FOR THAT.

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HANG ON JUST A SECOND.

14,800FT². SO THE BUILDING COVERAGE WOULD BE 27%.

THE BUILDING HEIGHT IS 23FT AT THE HIGH RIDGE.

OKAY. QUESTIONS.

IT'S A ONE STORY HOUSE.

ONE STORY HOUSE. OKAY.

AND ARE THOSE JUST LIKE CLERESTORY WINDOWS? CLERESTORY WINDOWS? YES, MA'AM. OKAY.

AND MR. MRS. FINN, WOULD YOU CARE TO MAKE ANY COMMENTS? HEY, GUYS, WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT THIS.

HOME OUTGREW THE LAST ONE.

WE GOT ANOTHER BABY ON THE WAY, SO WE'RE EXCITED AND HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

SO. ALL RIGHT.

IN YOUR CURRENT RESIDENCE, MR JOHN FINN, WHAT IS YOUR ADDRESS? SO WE ARE ACTUALLY AT 614 EAST WHARF STREET RIGHT NOW.

THANK YOU, SIR. JUST FOR THE RECORD QUESTIONS.

IF YOU'D LIKE A LITTLE BACKGROUND.

MR. PAYNE WAS WORKED IN FOR, COULDN'T FIND ANY.

SO HE WAS WORKED AT FIRST NATIONAL BANK IN GRAPEVINE AND THEY LIVED THERE WHILE HE WORKED AT FIRST NATIONAL AND GRAPEVINE.

TWO OLDER DAUGHTERS AND THEN A SON.

AND THEN HE MOVED.

THEY MOVED TO LEWISVILLE WHEN HE GOT WAS MOVED TO ANOTHER POSITION AT A BANK IN LEWISVILLE.

SO THAT'S WHY THEY DIDN'T STAY THERE THAT LONG.

AND THIS FRANK DEBECCA, WHO'S RELATED TO KIM DEBECCA..

RIGHT, WELL, THEY HAD THEY WERE FARMERS OUT.

A LOT OF THEIR LAND WAS TAKEN BY THE AIRPORT.

THEY OWNED THE HOUSE FOR QUITE SOME TIME, AS I HAVE.

THEY PROBABLY BOUGHT IT AFTER MR. PAYNE. PAYNE FAMILY MOVED.

YEAH. AND I MAYBE A QUESTION FOR YOU, JOHN OR DAVID EITHER OR.

BUT IF ONE OF THOSE KIDS CAME BACK AND I THINK YOUR PLAN IS AWESOME, LOVELY LOOKING, BUT IF ONE OF THOSE KIDS CAME BACK, WOULD THEY RECOGNIZE THAT THEIR HOUSE IS STILL HERE? LIKE WHEN I WHEN I LOOK AT IT FROM THE FRONT, I AND COMPARE WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE NOW AND WHERE IT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE I KIND OF LOSE THE THE VIEW OF THE ORIGINAL HOME AND WONDER IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU COULD CONSIDER OR WOULD YOUR INTERNAL PLAN ALLOW FOR THAT? YEAH. SO THIS TO THE RIGHT SIDE OF THAT GABLE IS ESSENTIALLY THAT ORIGINAL STRUCTURE.

WE PUT A FLAT PORCH ON THEIR ROOF.

BUT I THINK WHAT CHANGES IS WHEN WE CUT THE GABLES IN, IT KIND OF CHANGES THAT LOOK, BUT IN ORDER TO MEET THE REQUIREMENTS, WE NEED TO, TO CUT THOSE GABLES TO GET IN. BUT OTHERWISE THAT RIGHT SIDE WILL STAY HOW IT WAS.

I CAN KIND OF SEE THAT FROM THE FLOOR PLAN, BUT NOT VISUALLY FROM THE STREETSCAPE, WHICH WAS MY ONLY THOUGHT IS HOW TO GET WHERE YOU WANT TO GO BUT CONTINUE TO REPRESENT THE CONTEXT OF THE HOME.

AND WAS DID YOU WORK ON THAT OR TRY TO DO THAT? YEAH. SO YEAH, THE WINDOWS THAT WE HAVE THERE IS THAT ORIGINAL SIZING TWO ON THE FRONT PORCH.

WE TRIED TO KEEP EVERYTHING AS CLOSE AS WE COULD.

COULD THE GABLE GO SOMEWHERE ELSE? UH, WHICH GABLE ARE YOU REFERRING TO? THIS THE MAIN FEATURE THAT IS IN THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE.

I MEAN, IF WE WERE I THINK IF WE REMOVE THAT, WE'D HAVE A BIG HIP.

IS THAT WHAT WE'RE TALKING? PULL THE ROOF.

LOOK AT THE ROOF PLAN, DAVID.

IS THERE A WAY TO AND MAYBE I'M NOT ARTICULATING IT VERY WELL, BUT WHEN I LOOK AT IT, IT DOESN'T.

I CAN'T SEE THE ORIGINAL HOME ABOUT THE FACT THAT THIS HAS BEEN ADDED, THIS LARGE GABLE.

AND TO MY UNDERSTANDING, WHEN WE MET WITH THEM, WHEN THEY TURNED IN THE MATERIAL, THE IDEA OF PUTTING THE ADDING THE GABLE ON THE FRONT, EVEN THOUGH IT WAS NOT PRESENT ON THE ORIGINAL HOUSE, WAS IT HELPS MEDIATE THE HEIGHT OF THE ROOF.

THE ROOF IS IN ORDER TO COVER THE NEW ADDITIONS IN THE BACK IS BEING EXTENDED.

THE SAME ROOF IS BEING EXTENDED UP HIGHER AND THEN AS IT GOES UP HIGHER, THAT'S WHY IT HITS ON THE SIDE YARD SETBACK PLANE.

IT NEEDS TO BE CAMBERED IN THE ROOF LINE BECAUSE WE HAVE THE SIDE YARD SETBACK PLAN.

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SO OTHERWISE THOSE GABLES WERE BEING VERY TALL ON THE SIDES AND SO IT'S COMING IN.

SO THE IDEA OF THIS WAS THEY WERE ADDING A PERIOD APPROPRIATE FEATURE THAT WOULD HELP MITIGATE, MITIGATE OR BRING TOGETHER THE THE LINES OF THE HOUSE WITH THE HIGHER ROOF.

SO IT'S IT'S A IT'S A PERIOD APPROPRIATE FEATURE.

YEAH. I'M NOT I TOTALLY SEE THE WHAT'S AND I'M THANKFUL FOR THAT.

YEAH AT THE SAME TIME I'M TORN I'M LIKE I SEE WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO AND IT'S A LOVELY PLAN YET I CAN'T I MAY BE ALONE HERE THAT I THAT I CAN'T SEE THE THE ORIGINAL HOME AND THAT IF THAT'S THE CASE, THAT'S FINE.

I JUST I THINK IF YOU DIDN'T HAVE THE GABLE THOUGH, IT WOULD BE VERY MASSIVE AND I THINK YOU'D END UP.

I KNOW. YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? I THINK IT WOULD. I THINK IT WOULD LOOK WORSE, HONESTLY.

AND IT LOOKS SO GOOD RIGHT NOW.

IT DOES. IT LOOKS GREAT.

AND HISTORICALLY, WE'VE ALWAYS TRIED TO CAUSE THE THE NEW CONSTRUCTION TO BE TO THE BACK.

AND THIS IS IT'S SET BACK.

IT'S JUST A DEVIATION FROM WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING.

I'D LIKE TO NOT THAT I'M TRYING TO CONVINCE YOU OF THIS, BUT CONVINCE ME IT IS OKAY.

IT IS AN APPROPRIATE APPROACH.

YES. BUT YOU DO LOSE SOME OF THE READING OF THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE.

HOWEVER, THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE IS STILL THERE.

SO THIS IS A PERIOD APPROPRIATE.

BASICALLY IT'S A DETAIL, JUST LIKE ADDING THE DORMER IS A IS A DETAIL APPROPRIATE TO THE PERIOD OF THE HOME.

IT'S A CAMERON HOME BUILT FROM PARTS FROM THE CAMERON LUMBER YARD.

THEY HAD THINGS LIKE THIS.

THEY HAD SOME OF THE ROOF LINES WERE CAMFORD ROOF LINES.

THEY HAD STEEP GABLES, THEY HAD ROUND ROOF WALL VENTILATORS LIKE THIS ONE SHOWS.

SO THEY WERE ADDING SOME OF THOSE PIECES TO THIS TO COMPOSE A WHOLE THAT WOULD BE APPEALING OR ATTRACTIVE FROM THE STREET WHILE KEEPING THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE THERE.

SO THAT'S KEEPING THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE, BUT NOT THE ORIGINAL APPEARANCE.

RIGHT? RIGHT.

IT MASSIVELY CHANGES THE APPEARANCE AND THE MASSING OF THE STRUCTURE.

THERE'S NO GETTING AROUND THAT.

YEAH. HOW MUCH TALLER IS IT? IT'S COMPLETELY CHANGES IT.

IT COMPLETELY SUBSUMES THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE THAN IT WAS.

LET ME SEE. I DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT, BUT LET'S NOT DENY THAT IT'S DOING THAT.

IT'S ACTUALLY IT'S COMPLETELY DOING THAT.

THEN I'M ARTICULATING WHAT I'M THINKING.

SO BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE HOMES, THE NEW HOMES THAT ARE BEING CONSTRUCTED, IT'S PROBABLY ABOUT NINE FEET TALLER OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

OKAY. THE ROOF THE ROOF RIDGE WOULD BE ABOUT NINE FEET HIGHER THAN WHAT IT IS RIGHT NOW.

BUT IT'S THE SAME ROOF GOING UP.

RIGHT? IT'S A BIG IT'S MAKING IT INTO A HOUSE.

ONE MORE TECHNICAL QUESTION.

UNLESS SOMEBODY ELSE HAS A QUESTION.

I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY, WITH THE NEW HOMES THAT ARE BEING BUILT ALONG WALL STREET, THIS ONE WILL NOT LOOK THAT OUT OF PLACE.

YEAH, STREETSCAPE LOOKS GREAT.

YEAH, BUT MR. PAYNE'S DAUGHTERS WILL DRIVE RIGHT PAST IT.

THEY'RE STILL WITH US.

YES, THAT'S MY ISSUE.

YEAH, I KNOW.

I DON'T THINK THE MATH.

FLIP OVER TO THE MATH YOU'VE GOT.

I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I'VE GOT IT RIGHT.

WE'RE BORROWING 72FT FROM THE LIVABLE SPACE.

YES, SIR. AND SO WE WE RECORDED THAT.

THE LIVABLE SPACE IS 3397.

YEAH, IT'S RIGHT UP TO 3400.

SO I WENT BACK THROUGH THERE AND WORKED OUT HE WAS HAVING TO REDUCE.

THE SIZE OF THE GARAGE.

THIS IS THE TECHNICAL QUESTION.

SHOULD IT BE 3400 -79? YEAH. 79. YES, SIR.

AND THEN THAT'S WHAT IT IS.

HE WAS REDUCING THE SIZE OF THE.

I THINK SO. I CALLED HIM TO TALK TO HIM ABOUT THAT.

THERE WAS A DISCREPANCY.

SO THE PLAN SHOULD BE LESS THAN 33.

21? IS THAT CORRECT? YEAH, I THINK IS REDUCED.

OKAY. THEN WE JUST NEED TO CHANGE OUR FORM BECAUSE IT'S SHOWING 3397.

THAT'S THE THE HANDWRITTEN FORM.

YES, SIR. YEAH. THAT MUST NOT GOT UPDATED.

OKAY. WE'LL GET IT DONE.

3321 AND THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE COMMITTING TO BUILDING? YES, SIR. OKAY, GREAT.

THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS BEFORE WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING? OKAY. I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

SO MOVE. SECOND.

FIRST BY MARGARET. SECOND BY ERIC.

ALL IN FAVOR. RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.

MOTION PASSES.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION?

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OKAY. I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE WITH CONDITIONS CA 2308.

I'LL SECOND. SECOND. MOTION AND A SECOND.

AND A THIRD. ALL IN FAVOR.

MR. CHAIRMAN, THAT DOES INCLUDE THE.

NEVER MIND. IT'S ON THE NEXT ITEM.

OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR.

RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.

MR. BOYLE. INTERRUPT ME ANYTIME.

MOTION PASSES.

THANK YOU, JOHN HANNA.

WE APPRECIATE YOU.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

[4C. Commission to conduct a public hearing relative to an application for a Certificate of Appropriateness #CA23-10 for the property located at 604 Austin Street, legally described as Block 117, Lot 3, Clifton H. Jones Addition to College Heights Addition, City of Grapevine and take any necessary action.]

TAKES US DOWN TO ITEM C.

MOVING RIGHT ALONG.

CA 23-10 MR. DRAINS RESIDENTS.

NO, WE SKIPPED ONE IN THE MIDDLE.

SKIPPED IT. IT'S THE ELISE RESIDENTS.

I MUST HAVE THEM OUT OF ORDER.

I GOT CA 2310.

ITEM C, ELISE.

OKAY. ELISE.

YES, MA'AM. THANK YOU.

SORRY, MR. DRAIN.

YOU HAVE TO WAIT.

OKAY. READY? READY.

OKAY. THIS CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS CA 2310 WAS SUBMITTED ON FEBRUARY 13TH BY THE OWNERS, DENNIS AND WENDY ELISE, FOR CONSTRUCTION OF A TWO STORY HOUSE, A DETACHED GARAGE AND A DETACHED GARAGE ON A VACANT LOT IN THE GRAPEVINE HISTORIC TOWNSHIP. THE HOUSE WOULD SERVE AS THE PRIMARY RESIDENCE FOR THE ELISE FAMILY.

THE PROPOSED PLANS FOR THE NEW HOUSE AND GARAGE WERE DEVELOPED BY BUCHANAN DESIGN STUDIO.

THE HOUSE WOULD CONTAIN 2848FT².

FIRST FLOOR HAS 2160 FOUR SQUARE FEET IN SIZE.

AND THERE'S A SMALL SECOND FLOOR WHICH YOU SEE HERE IN THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE THAT OTHERWISE IS MAINLY A ONE STORY HOUSE HAS 680FT².

THE TOTAL LIVING AREA OF THE HOUSE IS 2848, WHICH IS WITHIN THE 3400 SQUARE FOOT MAXIMUM ESTABLISHED BY THE PRESERVATION ORDINANCE.

THERE'S A COVERED PATIO OF 321FT² IN THE FRONT PORCH OF 369FT², WHICH DO NOT COUNT AGAINST THE MAXIMUM LIVING AREA OF SQUARE FEET.

THE SECOND FLOOR ROOF RIDGE EXTENDS CURRENTLY INTO THE SIDE YARD SETBACK PLAN THAT WAS ESTABLISHED BY THE PRESERVATION ORDINANCE.

A VARIANCE IS REQUIRED TO ALLOW THIS ENCROACHMENT.

I'LL SEE EXHIBIT A, WHICH I'VE GOT HERE.

THIS SHOWS THE RIDGE ENCROACHMENT HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW.

THIS IS A SMALL ENCROACHMENT OF THE ROOF RIDGE IN THE SIDE YARD SETBACK PLANE.

AND ALSO, IF I WANT TO SHOW YOU THE SIDE VIEW, THIS IS A SIDE VIEW.

IT DOESN'T SHOW THE YELLOW PORTION, BUT IT BE THE TOP OF THAT GABLE THAT YOU SEE THERE, THAT LARGE GABLE RIGHT ABOVE THE WINDOW LINE.

SO THAT'S THE PART OF THE GABLE THAT'S EXTENDING INTO THE SIDE YARD SETBACK PLANE ACTUALLY ON BOTH SIDES OF THE HOUSE.

SO I GOT WITH OUR CITY ATTORNEY ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE.

THE OWNERS HAD HAD DESIGNED THIS HOUSE FULLY ALONG WITH ITS DETACHED GARAGE, NOT KNOWING THAT THIS PROPERTY OR UNDERSTANDING THIS PROPERTY WAS LOCATED IN THE HISTORIC TOWNSHIP BOUNDARY.

THEY WERE STARTLED AND SURPRISED WHEN THEY TURNED IN THEIR PLANS AND REALIZED THAT THEY WERE IN THE HISTORIC TOWNSHIP BOUNDARY BECAUSE ACROSS THE STREET THEY'RE NOT IN THE BOUNDARY.

AND THERE'S MANY NEW HOMES THAT ARE MUCH BIGGER THAN THIS ACROSS THE WAY.

SO THIS THEY WERE NOT AWARE THAT THIS WAS AN ISSUE AT ALL.

ALSO LATER, YOU'LL SEE HERE THERE'S A LARGE GARAGE THAT THEY WISH TO BUILD IN THE BACK.

AND SO THEY HAVE ASKED TO BRING THIS CASE FORWARD TO YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.

AND STAFF HAS REVIEWED IT.

AND WE NOW UNDERSTAND THAT THAT THERE CAN BE A IT'S POSSIBLE TO GRANT A VARIANCE FOR THAT SMALL ENCROACHMENT THAT YOU SEE OF THAT RIDGE, BECAUSE IT'S NOT THE ENTIRE GABLE GOING OUT INTO THE SPACE, BUT IT'S A SMALL ENCROACHMENT.

AND THEN ALSO FOR RELATED TO A DETACHED GARAGE IN THE REAR YARD.

SO I'M GOING TO SHOW YOU THAT.

THIS IS ALL THE HOUSE.

SO THIS. THIS IS THE DETACHED GARAGE IN THE REAR YARD.

IT'S IN THE FAR BACK.

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SO YOU CAN SEE IT WAY TO THE BACK.

ALSO, RIGHT BEHIND THIS PROPERTY IS THE PROPERTY THAT'S OWNED BY SUMMER AND RYAN TATE.

THE COMMISSION HAS APPROVED IT ON THAT PROPERTY, A 998 SQUARE FOOT GARAGE.

SO THEY'RE ASKING HERE FOR 1108 SQUARE FOOT GARAGE VARIANCE.

THIS WOULD REQUIRE COMBINING THE 500 SQUARE FOOT AND 200 SQUARE FOOT STORAGE BUILDING ALLOWED BY THE PRESERVATION ORDINANCE AND 408FT² OF LIVING SPACE FROM THE LIVING AREA OF THE HOUSE.

CONSIDERING THE LARGE LOT SIZE AND LOCATION OF THAT BUILDING IN THE FAR BACK OF THE PROPERTY.

THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE CVB, THE PRESERVATION OFFICER, AND THE BUILDING OFFICIAL, DO RECOMMEND FOR THE VARIANCE TO BE GRANTED FOR THIS GARAGE.

THE TOTAL LIVING AREA OF THE HOUSE PLUS THE GARAGE, PLUS, YOU KNOW, ALL THIS TOGETHER IS 3956FT².

SO IT'S STILL WITHIN THE 40 100FT².

THE LOT COVERAGE WOULD BE 25%.

THIS PROPERTY IS NOT LANDMARKED.

SO THE GARAGE IS IN THE FAR BACK AND IS OUTSIDE OF OUR PURVIEW.

WHAT WE DO HAVE IN THIS REVIEW FOR NON LANDMARK PROPERTY IS A REVIEW OF THE STREET VIEW.

SO THIS IS THE STREET VIEW TO FOR THEM TO GET THEIR BUILDING PERMIT.

THEY WILL NOT HAVE TO CHANGE THESE PLANS.

THEY WOULD NEED THIS VARIANCE FOR THIS ENCROACHMENT INTO THE SIDE YARD SETBACK PLAN.

THEY WOULD ALSO NEED THE VARIANCE GRANTED BY YOU FOR THE LARGER THAN USUAL GARAGE OUT BACK.

SO AS I MENTIONED, SINCE THE FAMILY HAS MADE CLEAR AND EXPRESSED TO US ON NUMEROUS MEETINGS ABOUT THE FACT THAT THEY WERE NOT AWARE THAT THEY WERE IN THE TOWNSHIP.

SO THAT'S WHY THIS IS BEING BROUGHT TO YOU AND THAT'S WHY THEY HAVE ASKED TO BRING IT TO YOU.

SO AS WE GOT CLARIFICATION FROM OUR CITY ATTORNEY THAT IT IS POSSIBLE TO GRANT, BASED ON THE PRESERVATION ORDINANCE AND AN EXCEPTION TO THE SIDE YARD SETBACK PLAN, YOU CAN SEE IT'S RATHER IT'S A MINOR ONE, BUT IT DOES THEN ALLOW THIS FACADE NOT TO HAVE TO BE CHANGED, BECAUSE IF THIS WOULD BE CHANGED TO ALLOW THAT THIS THIS DESIGN COULD NOT BE BUILT, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE TOTALLY REWORKED.

NOW, I ALSO WANT TO BRING UP SOMETHING THAT IS COMING WE'RE WORKING CURRENTLY ON WITH ARCHITECTS IS AN UPDATE TO OUR PRESERVATION ORDINANCE TO ALLOW FOR BUILDINGS OF THIS TYPE WHERE YOU WOULD HAVE WHICH DO ALLOW ENCROACHMENT INTO THE SIDE YARD SETBACK.

WE HAVE REALIZED IN OUR STUDYING OF THE HISTORIC HOMES IN THE TOWNSHIP THAT ALL OF THE ORIGINAL HOMES HERE HAVE THIS TOP RIDGE LINE PARALLEL WITH THE STREET.

EVER SINCE WE'VE ADDED IN 2013, THE SIDE YARD SETBACK PLAN, MANY NEW HOMES HAVE TURNED THAT RIDGE AROUND AND ARE NOW THE RIDGE IS GOING DOWN IN THE LOT THIS WAY.

AND IT'S CREATED SORT OF A LONG, LINEAR LOOKING HOUSE THAT VERY LONG DEEP INTO THE LOT WHERE THAT WAS NOT A BUILDING TYPE YOU FOUND IN THE HISTORIC TOWNSHIP.

SO WITH A DESIRE TO CREATE MORE CONSISTENCY, THIS IS MORE APPROPRIATE TO THE TOWNSHIP.

SO JUST SO HAPPENS THIS CASE COMES UP WHILE WE ARE WORKING ON THIS STUDY WHICH WILL BE BROUGHT FORWARD TO YOU IN THE NEAR FUTURE.

BUT THEN AS THE BUILDING GOES TO THE REAR, YOU WOULD REVERT BACK TO THE CENTER AND THEN YOU MIGHT COME OUT AT THE REAR WITH TWO STORY AGAIN, THEREBY ALLOWING LIGHT AND AIR TO GET TO YOUR NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY ON EITHER SIDE.

SO YOU KEEP A LOT OF OPEN AIR AROUND.

SO ANYWAY, WE'RE WORKING ON THAT RIGHT NOW.

THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT THAT WE CAN APPLY TO THIS.

SO ANYWAY, THIS IS A SITUATION I NEED TO BRING IT TO YOUR ATTENTION.

THIS IS WHAT WE'RE WORKING ON AND WE'RE TRYING TO SEEK APPROVAL TO ON THIS PARTICULAR.

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PROPERTY WITH THIS PARTICULAR SETTING.

LET ME SHOW YOU ONE MORE THING ABOUT THE PLAN.

I GUESS THIS PLAN TO THE RIGHT, EVEN THOUGH IT'S GOT LOTS OF LINES IN IT, THIS IS WHAT THEY GAVE US.

THAT'S ALL THE FIRST FLOOR PLAN.

AND YOU CAN SEE HOW SMALL THE SECOND FLOOR PLAN IS.

IT'S JUST ONLY IN THE FRONT.

IT'S LIKE TWO BEDROOMS IN A IN A BATHROOM AND A STAIRWAY UP THERE.

SO THAT'S JUST UP TO THE FRONT.

AND AGAIN, AS I MENTIONED, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE STREET VIEW OF NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES ACROSS THE WAY, WHICH DON'T ACTUALLY HAVE HERE, BUT THOSE ARE ALL LIKE WALL TO WALL HOUSES.

THEY'RE VERY LARGE.

AND SO THIS ONE IS MUCH MORE PETITE COMPARED TO WHAT'S ACROSS THE STREET.

BUT WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS JUST HOW THIS FITS INTO TO THIS CONTEXT WITH THE APARTMENT BUILDINGS ON THE ONE SIDE, AND THIS IS THEIR CURRENT HOME WHERE THEY RESIDE NEXT DOOR.

SO ANYWAY, THAT'S THE BACKGROUND.

WENDY ALICE, WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE ANY COMMENTS? WHEN WE FIRST BUILT NEXT DOOR AT 606 AUSTIN STREET, WHERE WE RESIDE IT WAS BACK IN 1999 AND THAT WAS PRIOR TO US BEING INCORPORATED INTO THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, WHICH SOMEHOW WE WERE NEVER ADVISED. BUT OUR WHOLE OUR WHOLE IDEA WAS TO BUY THE TWO LOTS, BUILD ONE, RAISE OUR FAMILY.

AND THEN WHEN IT WAS TIME TO RETIRE, WE WOULD SELL THAT TO PAY FOR THE NEW BUILD AND THAT WE WOULD CONTINUE LIVING HERE FOR THE REST OF OUR LIVES.

AND I THINK THAT THE DESIGN THAT WE CAME UP WITH FITS WITH THIS TYPE OF COMMUNITY.

AND IT'S ONLY GOING TO, I THINK, ENHANCE THE OTHER HOUSES THAT ARE AROUND IT, DEFINITELY ENHANCE THE APARTMENT BUILDING NEXT DOOR.

IT'S NEAT TO SEE THE TASTES THAT YOU HAVE HAD CHANGED OVER THE LAST.

YEAH, LIKE ALMOST 25 YEARS AGO.

YEAH, PRETTY NEAT.

EVOLVED A LITTLE. QUESTIONS FOR THE LEESE FAMILY.

THANK YOU. QUESTIONS FOR DAVID.

OKAY. I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

SO MOVE. THANK YOU, MARGARET.

SECOND BY JIM.

ALL IN FAVOR. RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.

MOTION PASSES.

COMMENTS. YEAH, IT'LL DEFINITELY ENHANCE THE LANDSCAPE IN THAT AREA.

YES. STREET STREETSCAPE LOOKS GREAT.

YEAH. I WANT TO REITERATE THAT THE KIND OF THE KEY THING ABOUT THIS IS THIS HAS TO COME BEFORE YOU BECAUSE IT'S A NEW BUILD.

IT'S IN THE TOWNSHIP AND IT NEEDS TO VARIANCES VARIANCE TO TO MAKE THAT A LITTLE ENCROACHMENT, WHICH IS KIND OF NEGLIGIBLE IN THE SCHEME OF THINGS.

ALREADY GAVE YOU YOUR TIME TO TALK.

PARDON? OH, IT'S NOT MY TIME TO TALK.

I'M SORRY. I'M KIDDING. NO, YOU'RE RIGHT.

YOU'RE RIGHT. YOU'RE EXACTLY RIGHT.

I'M JUST KIDDING. I WAS JUST TRYING TO KEEP US ON POINT ABOUT.

I WAS REALLY JUST TRYING.

LARRY DAVID, STAY IN TOO MUCH EDITORIAL COMMENT ON MY PART, BUT I WAS TRYING TO KEEP US ON THE TWO MAIN POINTS.

WHY WE'RE HERE IS THE THE THEY CAN'T GET THEIR PERMIT UNLESS THEY CAN GET A VARIANCE FOR THE ENCROACHMENT OF THE ROOF. AND THEN ALSO TO BUILD THE LARGER THAN NORMAL GARAGE BECAUSE IT'S IN THE TOWNSHIP IN WHICH THEY DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THEY WERE IN.

OKAY. SORRY.

WE CAN MOVE THE GARAGE TO THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE IF WE WANT.

YEAH, ONLY IF YOU'RE THE CITY.

THAT WAS A BAD JOKE.

YEAH, IT FELL FLAT.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

ENTERTAIN A MOTION IF YOU'RE SO INCLINED.

OKAY. I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE WITH CONDITIONS CA 23-10.

I SECOND.

AND MR. CHAIRMAN, DO THOSE CONDITIONS INCLUDE THE TWO REQUESTED VARIANCES? YES. WOULD THAT CLARIFY THAT, MARGARET? WOULD THAT NOT BE PART OF THE.

CONDITIONS OR DO I NEED TO SAY AS WRITTEN OR SOMETHING? WE NEED TO AMEND MY MOTION TO SAY AS WRITTEN.

IF YOU JUST AFFIRM THAT IT INCLUDES THE VARIANCES, THAT'S ALL WE NEED.

OKAY. IT DOES INCLUDE THE VARIANCES.

THANKS, MARGARET. IS THAT SECOND OKAY WITH THAT, ERIC? CORRECT. OKAY. YES.

SO MOTION BY MARGARET A SECOND BY ERIC.

ALL IN FAVOR. RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.

MOTION PASSES.

THANK YOU. OKAY.

SORRY, MR. JANE.

[4D. Commission to conduct a public hearing relative to an application for a Certificate of Appropriateness #CA23-19 for the property located at 324 South Church Street, legally described as Block 1, Lot 2R, South Church Street Addition, City of Grapevine and take any necessary action.]

NOW WE'RE READY FOR YOU, BUD.

THIS IS A REVIEW OF CA 23-19.

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OKAY. ONE MOMENT.

LET'S SEE.

THE LIGHTS ARE DIMMING AND GETTING BRIGHTER.

IT'S NOT YOU.

THE PARTS HAVE BEEN ORDERED.

THEY'RE JUST NOT HERE YET.

OKAY. BACKGROUND ON THIS.

THIS IS BASICALLY REVISIONS TO THE COMMISSION APPROVED PLANS FROM BACK IN MAY 26TH, 2021, WHEN THIS PROJECT WAS ORIGINALLY APPROVED FOR MR HARLEY DRAIN.

AND BACK THEN IT WAS APPROVED FOR THE NEW HOUSE IN A DETACHED SINGLE CAR GARAGE IN THE REAR.