[CALL TO ORDER]
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>> IT'S 1:00 O'CLOCK WE WILL CALL THE BRIEFING ORDER.
[1. Planning and Zoning Commission to conduct a briefing session to discuss all items scheduled on tonight’s agenda. No action will be taken. Each item will be considered during the Regular Session which immediately follows the Joint Public Hearings.]
>> GOOD EVENING WE HAVE ONE JOINT ITEM FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION THIS EVENING TO INITIAL USE FOR THE GRAPEVINE MAIN MONUMENT SIGN.
THEY ARE PROPOSING ONE MONUMENT SIGN ADJACENT TO THEIR PROPERTY LINE IN THE FRONTAGE OF EAST DALLAS ROAD.
IT WILL BE 60 SQUARE FEET, SIX FEET TALL BY 10 FEET WIDE, AND OF THE EFFECTIVE AREA OF THE SIGN, IT'LL BE HAVING ELECTRONIC COPY COMPONENT IT WILL BE APPROXIMATELY 50 PERCENT OF THE SIGNS FOR THE AFFECTED AREA.
THE ZONING ORDINANCE UNDER SECTION 16 FOR MONUMENT SIGNS CAPS, THE ELECTRONIC MESSAGE COMPONENT PORTION AT 30 PERCENT SO THEY ARE ASKING FOR THE CEP, FOR THAT ADDITIONAL 20 PERCENT.
ALL OTHER REQUIREMENTS OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE PERTAINING TO SIGNS ISN'T MET WITH THE PROPOSAL DUE TO LOCATION AND THE SIZE OF THE ELECTRONIC MONUMENT SIGN.
HOWEVER, THE SETBACK FROM THE SOUTH PROPERTY LINE IS APPROXIMATELY TWO FEET, ALSO WITHIN SECTION 60, IT DOES ALLOW FOR SIGNAGE WITHIN THE GU, GOVERNMENT USE ZONING DISTRICT THROUGH THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT PROCESS FOR THAT TO BE BURIED IF YOU MAKE THAT FINDING AS A COMMISSION AND THE CITY COUNCIL.
>> THE APPLICANT IS BASICALLY THE CITY.
>> IT'S TINA NEWTON WHOSE WITH COURY HOSPITALITY, BUT THEY ARE PART OF THE OVERALL CONDOMINIUM ASSOCIATIONS.
>> BECAUSE IT'S REALLY A CITY REQUEST.
OTHERWISE, YOU CAN'T HAVE OFFSET SIGNS.
>> CORRECT. THE SIGN WOULD BE USED TO ADVERTISE EVENTS AND ITEMS THAT ARE OCCURRING ON THAT PROPERTY.
>> JUST THE HARVEST HALL OR IN THE HOTEL AS WELL?
>> ON THE LOT. YOU HAVE THE HOTEL, YOU HAVE THE TRAIN STATION YOU HAVE HARVEST HALL.
>> BUT I'M GOING TO SAY REALISTICALLY, IT ALMOST HAS TO BE THE CITY'S CONTROL THE SIGN.
>> IT'S ON CITY PROPERTY AND THE HOTEL, UNDER ORDINANCES, CAN HAVE AN OFFSIDE SIGN.
>> IT WOULD BE OFFSIDE BECAUSE IT'S ON THE CITY PROPERTY?
>> EVERYBODY ELSE WERE LIMITING THEIR SIGNS.
>> WELL, I WONDER IF IT WAS THE CONVENTION CENTER THE SIGN THAT'S IT'S ON THE JUST DOWN THE WAY A LITTLE BIT, THAT'S WHAT I COMPARED IT TO A LITTLE BIT. [OVERLAPPING]
>> I DON'T THINK THE GOVERNMENTAL USUALLY DOESN'T HAVE A SIGN REQUIREMENT.
>> WELL, MONUMENTS SIGNS HAVE A SIGN REQUIREMENT.
>> BUT THERE ARE NO SIGN REQUIREMENTS IN GOVERNMENTAL UNITS.
>> SPECIFICALLY FOR GOVERNMENTAL USE, NO.
>> THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. THERE'S NOTHING THAT SAYS THEY CAN ONLY BE THIS OR THIS.
>> IN THE GOVERNMENTAL ZONING, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
IN ESSENCE, THEY CAN APPROVE WHATEVER YOU WANT TO APPROVE IN GOVERNMENTAL USE AS WELL.
>> I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS COMPARED TO THE CONVENTION SIGN.
>> IT'S A LITTLE LARGER, BUT NOT MUCH.
>> [OVERLAPPING] WE'RE GIVING YOU VARIANTS FOR 20 ADDITIONAL PERCENT 30 TO 51.
>> WE SAY THAT, BUT AGAIN, THERE'S NO REQUESTS ON REQUIREMENTS AND THAT'S A MONUMENT SIGN.
BUT THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS THERE'S NO SIGN REQUIREMENTS IN GOVERNMENT USE.
>> THEY CAN'T PUT WHATEVER WE WANT UP THERE.
>> BUT I COULDN'T FIND ANY DRAWING OF WHAT IT SHOULD LOOK LIKE. [OVERLAPPING]
>> DO WE HAVE THE APPLICANT'S POWERPOINT?
>> THE FEEL OF IT IS THAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE AN OLD-TIME TRAIN STATION.
>> ISN'T IT IN THE TRAINING STATION? [LAUGHTER]
>> THAT'S HOW THE WORDING WILL ALWAYS LOOK?
>> TO DIGITAL. THAT'LL BE LIKE THAT. A GOOD DIGITAL.
>> SPINNING. IT'LL LOOK LIKE THAT. [OVERLAPPING]
>> WELL, HOW DO WE KNOW THAT? [OVERLAPPING]
>> WE'RE JUST APPROVING IT AS A DIGITAL SIGN. [OVERLAPPING]
>> SOMETIME THEY KNOW. [OVERLAPPING]
>> IT COULD BE ANYTHING. [OVERLAPPING]
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>> WE'RE JUST SAYING IT'S THIS MUCH SPACE THAT CAN BE WHATEVER.
>> YEAH, I WAS HOPING TO SEE SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
>> EIGHTEEN INCH. [OVERLAPPING] [NOISE]
>> THAT LOOKED A LITTLE STRANGE.
>> THEY HAD TO GO EIGHT FEET DOWN FOR THAT?
>> YEAH. [OVERLAPPING] [NOISE]
>> THERE'S NOT THE BASE. [OVERLAPPING]
>> MAYBE SOMEBODY CALLED AND OFFERED PAYMENT.
>> HE HAS A WORK AT THE INTERSECTION.
>> MORE LIKE WE'RE IN THE RACE AND THE OTHERS LAST.
>> IS IT A COUPLE OF STEPS UP OR IS IT THE SAME LEVEL?
>> IT'S IN A BERM, SO IT'S ABOVE THE SIGN BOARD.
>> CAN YOU SHOW ON THE NEXT SLIDE THAT SHOWS IT ADJACENT?
>> IT'S UP A LITTLE BIT BUT YOU COULD STILL MAKE IT HIGH.
>> IT'LL BE PRETTY MASSIVE ACCIDENT.
>> THE PREVIOUS SKETCH LOOKED LIKE IT WASN'T THIS. [OVERLAPPING]
>> THAT'S THE EASTERN WEST ELEVATION, BOTH SIDES.
>> ANY ORGANIZATION UPON IT AT ALL OR IS IT JUST?
>> I THINK IT'S INTERNAL. [OVERLAPPING] THEY'RE NOT A LOT DOWN THERE WHERE IT SAYS, LIKE HE SAID HERE. [OVERLAPPING]
>> I DON'T BELIEVE THAT ANYTHING IS PROPOSED OR IS SHOWN AT THIS POINT, SHOWING LIGHTING REFLECTED UP FROM THE LANDSCAPING UP TOWARDS GRAPEVINE MAINTENANCE LETTERS, THE STATIC LETTERS WILL BE IN INTERNALLY ELIMINATED.
>> EVEN THE WORD SCRAPED ONLINE OR IS IT JUST.
>> I BET THERE'S ENOUGH LIGHT THERE TO SEE IT.
>> [OVERLAPPING] EVERYBODY BE ABLE TO SEE IT.
>> NO, WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE.
>> TRACY, ARE YOU READY? WE'LL CALL THE 7:30 MEETING GUARD,
[2. Invocation and Pledge of Allegiance: Commissioner Traci Hutton]
I'LL ASK YOU TO RISE.INVOCATION AND PLEDGE, COMMISSIONER TRACY.
>> FATHER, WE COME BEFORE YOU TONIGHT WITH GRATITUDE FOR THE MANY BLESSINGS YOU'VE BESTOWED ON OUR CITY, OUR STATE, AND OUR COUNTRY.
WE CONTINUE TO PRAY FOR PROTECTION OF OUR POLICE, FIRE AND FIRST RESPONDERS.
WE ALSO PRAY TONIGHT THAT YOU GUIDE US WITH WISDOM DURING OUR DELIBERATIONS AND THAT WE CAN SEEK YOUR WILL IN ALL THAT WE DO IN YOUR NAME.
>> LIKE TO WELCOME YOU TO OUR MEETING TONIGHT.
WE BEGAN WITH A JOINT COMMISSION AND THE COUNCIL.
[3. Conditional Use Permit CU22-49 (Grapevine Main Monument Sign) – City Council and Planning and Zoning Commission to conduct a public hearing relative to an application submitted by Tina Newton requesting to conditional use permit to amend the previously approved site plan for CU17-20 (Ordinance No. 2017-070) to allow a 121-room hotel, retail sales and on- and off- premise consumption of alcoholic beverages (beer, wine and mixed beverages) in conjunction with a hotel and restaurants. This request is specifically to add a monument sign with changeable copy exceeding 30% of the gross surface area of the sign. The property is currently zoned “GU”, Government Use District and is located at 815 South Main Street.]
WE HAVE ONE ITEM TO CONSIDER A PUBLIC HEARING.WE WILL INTRODUCE THE REQUEST, HAVE THE STAFF DO THAT, AND THEN THE APPLICANT WILL BE GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE THEIR PRESENTATION.
IF YOU'RE NOT AN APPLICANT AND WISH TO SPEAK, YOU NEED TO REGISTER WITH HER, BROOKS, SO SHE WILL HAVE A RECORD OF YOUR PARTICIPATION.
LAND ZONING COMMISSION WILL SEPARATE AFTER THIS PUBLIC HEARING AND WILL DELIBERATE THE MERITS AND CONSIDER ANY AGENDA THEY HAVE.
THE COUNCIL WILL REMAIN IN SESSION HERE, SO YOU ARE INVITED TO BE A PART OF YOUR GOVERNMENT TONIGHT.
WE'LL BEGIN BY OPENING A PUBLIC HEARING ON CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS, U20-49.
I ASK ERICA MORONI IF SHE'LL INTRODUCE THE REQUEST.
>> GOOD EVENING, HONORABLE MAYOR, MAYOR PRO TEM, MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL IN THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.
THIS REQUEST BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING FOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IS FOR A NEW MONUMENT SIGN WITH CHANGEABLE COPY EXCEEDING 30 PERCENT OF THE GROSS SURFACE AREA OF THE SIGN AT THE SITE LOCATED AT 815 SOUTH MAIN STREET.
THE SIGN IS PROPOSED WITHIN AN EXISTING LANDSCAPE PLAZA ADJACENT TO EAST DALLAS ROAD.
THE PROPOSED SIGN WILL BE SIX FEET TALL AND 10 FEET WIDE FOR A TOTAL SIGN AREA OF 60 SQUARE FEET, OF WHICH THE CHANGEABLE COPY IS APPROXIMATELY 30.6 SQUARE FEET OR 51 PERCENT OF THE GROSS SURFACE AREA OF THE SIGN.
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THE ZONING ORDINANCE ALLOWS THROUGH THE CONDITIONAL USE REQUEST PROCESS FOR COUNSEL IN THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION TO APPROVE AN INCREASE IN CHANGEABLE COPY, AND WITH THIS REQUEST, IT WOULD BE FROM A 30 PERCENT MAXIMUM TO APPROXIMATELY 51 PERCENT MAXIMUM.THE SIGN IS ALSO PROPOSED APPROXIMATELY TWO FEET FROM THE SOUTHERN PROPERTY LINE ADJACENT TO THE EAST DALLAS ROAD FRONTAGE.
THIS CONCLUDES STAFF'S PRESENTATION OF THE CONDITIONAL USE REQUEST.
MS. TINA NEWTON WITH COURY HOSPITALITY AND MR. MITCH JOHNSON WITH HARVEST HALL ARE HERE THIS EVENING TO PRESENT TO THE COUNCIL AND COMMISSION, AND WE'LL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE. THANK YOU.
>> GOOD EVENING. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.
WE WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT THE SIGN PACK THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON AND TINA HAS BEEN DILIGENTLY WORKING ON.
MY NAME IS MITCH JOHNSON, DIRECTOR OF HARVEST HALL.
THIS IS TINA NEWTON, DIRECTOR OF FACILITIES FOR GRAPEVINE MAIN.
PROCEED. THIS SHOWS YOU THE LOCATION THAT WE HAVE PROPOSED FOR THE SIGN.
WE HAVE GRAPEVINE MAIN, THE PEACE CIRCLE PLAZA, THE CIRCLE OF PEACE, AND THEN YOU HAVE THE PROPOSED SIGN LOCATION ALONG DALLAS ROAD. IT IS A DOUBLE-FACE SIGN.
THANK YOU, TINA. THIS IS WHAT THE ARTIST'S RENDERING OF THE SIGN IS.
DON'T PAY ATTENTION TO THE STUFF BELOW THE SURFACE, BUT WE ARE INCORPORATING THE RED BRICK OF GRAPEVINE MAIN, THE SANDSTONE CAP AS GRAPEVINE MAIN, AND IT WOULD BE A DOUBLE-SIDED SIGN.
>> WE CAN SEE A GRAYISH INTERIOR OF THE SIGN THAT'S NOT [INAUDIBLE].
>> WHAT DID YOU JUST SAY. [OVERLAPPING]
>> YOU NEED TO BE ON THE MIC WHEN YOU SPEAK BECAUSE WE'RE BEING AUDIO.
>> THE MIDDLE IMAGE, THE GRAY IMAGE THAT YOU SEE, THAT'S JUST THE INTERIOR OF THE SIGN.
YOU WOULDN'T ACTUALLY SEE THAT. IT WOULDN'T BE VISIBLE.
>> AGAIN, THIS SHOWS THE RED BRICK AND THE STONE CAP.
AGAIN, TYING IT INTO THE ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN THAT'S CURRENTLY AT GRAPEVINE MAIN.
THE SIGN ON THE RIGHT THERE IS WHAT IS A, I'M GOING TO TRY THIS ONE SPLIT-FLAT SIGN SO WE'RE TRYING TO TIE INTO THE RAILROAD STATION THAT IS RIGHT THERE ON GRAPEVINE MAIN.
WHY WE'RE HERE? TO SUMMARIZE, THIS IS THE FINAL SIGN IS PART OF THE ORIGINAL PROJECT.
IN LIEU OF THE STATIC SIGNS, WE'RE PROPOSING THE SPLIT-FLAP SIGN, WHICH IS A VIDEO SIGN.
THE VARIANCE FROM 30 TO 50 PERCENT.
AGAIN, IT IS A VIDEO WALL, BUT IT WILL APPEAR LIKE A SPLIT-FLAP OR LIKE THE OLD RAILROAD STATION SIGNS THAT FLIP THROUGH.
I WILL SHOW YOU A DEMONSTRATION.
BUT BEFORE THAT, THIS IS THE LOCATION, JUST AN ARTIST'S RENDERING AND PUTTING IT ON DALLAS ROADS.
IT'S NOT QUITE TO SCALE, BUT IT'S PRETTY CLOSE.
THEN THIS IS AN ACTUAL DEMONSTRATION OF WHAT A SPLIT-FLAP SIGN WOULD DO.
THIS IS A DEMONSTRATION WHAT A VIDEO STYLE WOULD DO.
AGAIN, JUST TRYING TO TIE INTO THE RAILROAD FIELD THAT WE HAVE OVER THERE AT GRAPEVINE MAIN.
THANK YOU MUCH. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I HAVE A TECHNICAL EXPERT RIGHT HERE.
>> QUESTION ABOUT THE COPY, IS IT ALWAYS GOING TO LOOK LIKE THAT WITH THE DIGITAL, OR WILL YOU HAVE OTHER?
>> IT'S ALWAYS GOING TO LOOK LIKE THIS, I'LL SCOOT OVER, THE SPLIT-FLAP DISPLAY.
IT WILL ALWAYS LOOK LIKE THAT.
THEN THE VERB, OF COURSE, WOULD CHANGE JUST TALKING ABOUT MAYBE UPCOMING EVENTS FOR THE WEEKEND, MAYBE PROMOTING THE PARKING, 90 MINUTES FREE, TALKING ABOUT PRETTY MUCH ANYTHING GOING ON AT GRAPEVINE MAIN ON PEACE PLAZA.
ANYTHING OF INTEREST TO THE PUBLIC AND TO TALK ABOUT HARVEST HALL, AND THE DIFFERENT DINING OPTIONS IN THE HALL.
>> WILL THE COPY BE BIG ENOUGH TO ACTUALLY READ EASILY WHILE YOU'RE GOING DOWN?
>> WELL, WE'LL HAVE TO PROGRAM IT TO BE THAT WAY.
I HAVEN'T PURCHASED THE SOFTWARE YET.
I'VE NEVER TRIED IT BECAUSE I DIDN'T WANT TO GO THAT FAR UNTIL WE KNOW THAT THIS SIGN IS APPROVED, BUT, YEAH, YOU CAN TAILOR IT TO BE WHATEVER SIZE YOU WANT, HOWEVER MANY LINES YOU WANT IT TO BE AS WELL.
>> BECAUSE THE EXAMPLES LOOK PRETTY SMALL LIKE YOU WOULD NEED TO BE RIGHT UP THERE, WHICH YOU ARE IN A TRAIN STATION.
>> THAT'S ONE REASON FOR TRYING TO GET TO THE 50 PERCENT JUST TO HAVE THE VISIBILITY ON DALLAS ROAD, ON BOTH DIRECTIONS.
>> BUT IT CAN BE ONE LINE, TWO LINE, MULTIPLE LINES.
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. DO WE HAVE ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK? ALL RIGHT. MR. CHAIRMAN.
>> MAY I ASK A QUESTION, PLEASE?
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>> WE HAVE [LAUGHTER] A QUESTION.
>> CAN YOU ALL SPEAK TO THE CONTENT OF THE SIGN? IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING, IF I UNDERSTOOD WHAT YOU SAID CORRECTLY, THAT THERE WILL NOT BE ACTUALLY TRAIN SCHEDULES ON THERE.
THAT'S JUST A VISUAL REPRESENTATION OF HOW THE SIGN WILL APPEAR.
THE INFORMATION ON THERE WILL SPEAK ONLY TO FUNCTIONS OR EVENTS THAT ARE OCCURRING THERE AT THE VIN, SOMEWHERE IN THE VIN, RIGHT?
>> NOT JUST THE VIN, THAT'S JUST THE HOTEL.
>> GRAPEVINE MAIN. [OVERLAPPING]
>> GRAPEVINE MAIN, CORRECT, YES.
>> LIKE HELP ADVERTISE [OVERLAPPING] GRAPEVINE, [OVERLAPPING]
>> THAT PROPERTY I SHOULD SAY.
>> ANYTHING THAT GOES ON AT THE PLAZA, ANYTHING THAT GOES ON AT HARVEST HALL, THE MUSIC VENUE.
>> BECAUSE I THINK A MOVING SIGN, IF THE INFORMATION IS SOMEWHAT STATIC, WE HAVE A MONUMENT SIGN THAT TALKS ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON AT THE PALACE AND FARTHER DOWN THE STREET, ABOUT THE LIBRARY AND THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE OFFICE.
IT'S JUST VERY DIFFICULT TO HAVE SOMETHING MOVING, DISTRACTING PEOPLE, I THINK, WHILE YOU'RE DRIVING IN TOWN.
>> NO, THE ROLLING WOULD JUST BE LIKE ON A DAILY WHEN WE CHANGE THE SIGN, IT'S TO BE STATIC ALL DAY LONG.
WE'RE JUST TRYING TO SHOW YOU THAT WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE WHEN WE CHANGE THE MESSAGE ON THE BOARD.
>> IT WOULDN'T BE MOVING ALL DAY LONG, ONCE A DAY. IT'S ALL DIMMABLE.
IF IT WAS BEING TOO BRIGHT, IT'S DIMMABLE, ALL CONTROLLED ON THE LAPTOP THAT WE HAVE INSIDE HARVEST HALL.
THEN IT'S ALL COMPUTER PROGRAMS, SO WE PUT THE MESSAGES OUT THERE.
>> I LIKE THAT YOU'VE MADE IT LOOK LIKE IT'S SOMETHING FOR A TRAIN STATION.
I LIKE THAT YOU'VE PUT IT ON DALLAS ROAD.
I KNOW ORIGINALLY, THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT THE CORNER ON MAIN STREET.
THIS WAY IT DOESN'T BLOCK THE VISUAL OF PEACE CIRCLE.
I LIKE THE LOCATION THAT YOU'VE CHOSEN AS WELL.
>> WE HAVE AN ORDINANCE THAT DEALS WITH OUR CHANGEABLE COPY SIGN THAT SPEAKS TO THE FREQUENCY WITH WHICH THE WORDING CAN CHANGE.
I DON'T KNOW THAT IT WOULD APPLY TO THIS, BUT THAT WOULD GIVE US SOME GUIDELINE, AND PROBABLY, SHOULD HAVE SOME REFERENCE IN THIS IF THE P&Z WISHES TO CONSIDER THAT.
>> ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE NO ONE WISHING TO SPEAK, IS THAT RIGHT?
>> NEED A MOTION TO CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING.
>> TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, A MOTION FROM THE COUNCIL.
MOTION CARRIES. PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED.
PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION WILL NOW RECONVENE IN THE MEETING ROOM TO THE RIGHT, IT'S A PUBLIC MEETING, YOU ARE INVITED TO ATTEND.
[5. Conditional Use Permit CU22-49 (Grapevine Main Monument Sign) – Consider the application and make a recommendation to City Council. ]
THE FIRST ITEM IN THIS CONSIDERATION OF CU22-49, MONUMENT SIGN.>> SIR, WE WERE LOOKING AT THE CHANGEABLE.
>> YES. WE WERE LOOKING AT HOW FREQUENTLY THE COPY COULD CHANGE AND IT CAN'T BE ANY SOONER THAN EVERY 15 SECONDS. [OVERLAPPING] [BACKGROUND]
IF WE ARE APPROVING A MONUMENT SIGN AND WE CHANGE IT TO A COPY, WOULDN'T THE ORDINANCE APPLY?
>> I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED TO SAY ANYTHING [OVERLAPPING] BECAUSE THAT IS JUST ORDINANCE.
>> WE'RE PROVING A MONUMENT SIGN TO A CHANGEABLE COPY, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE APPROVING.
DO WE FEEL THE NEED TO CONFINE IT TO WHAT THEY SAID?
>> [OVERLAPPING] THAT'S IN THERE.
>> I THINK IT'S THERE. WE APPROVED WHAT THEY APPLIED FOR IN THEIR APPLICATION.
>> IT JUST INCREASES THE CHANGEABLE COPY PERCENTAGE, IS ALL THERE IS.
>> RIGHT. BUT IF THEY WANT TO MAKE IT A VIDEO SCREEN OR PHOTOGRAPHS, THEY CAN.
>> NOT [INAUDIBLE] WHAT THEY SAID.
>> WELL, EXCEPT IT'D BE TOUGH NOT TO CHANGE IT EVERY 15 SECONDS. [LAUGHTER]
>> RIGHT. BUT I MEAN. [OVERLAPPING]
>> [INAUDIBLE] [OVERLAPPING] [NOISE]
>> THE MOVING SIGN, IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING LIKE A CARTOON, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING?
>> IT SAID FROM THE PRESENTATION LIKE IT'S GOING TO BE STRICTLY WORDS ON THE BOARD, BUT IT COULD BE PHOTOGRAPHS, [OVERLAPPING] JUST SO LONG AS IT'S NOT A VIDEO SCREEN.
>> IT'S NOT A VIDEO OF THE [INAUDIBLE], NO.
>> IT'LL BE A PICTURE OF THE [INAUDIBLE].
>> PICTURE'S GOING TO BE SLOW RUNNING.
>> I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYBODY ON AT THE [INAUDIBLE].
>> NO, IT COULD BE WHAT WE'RE APPROVING.
>> WE'RE APPROVING THE SPLIT FLOP.
>> NO, WE'RE APPROVING CHANGES OF COSTUMES. [OVERLAPPING]
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>> THEY ARE SAYING THAT'S WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE, BUT AT SOME POINT, THEY COULD DO SOMETHING ELSE.
>> BUT THE CORRECT RULE SET ARE AS I SAID, IT CAN'T BE FASTER THAN 15 SECONDS.
>> WE DON'T NEED TO MODIFY THAT.
>> THEY HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THAT.
>> THEY HAVE TO MAKE THE WORDS.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT 22-49.
[6. Consider the minutes of the December 20, 2022 Planning and Zoning Commission Meeting.]
>> EVERYTHING LOOKS GOOD EXCEPT FOR THE MINUTE 9.
I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE MINUTES WITH THE AMENDMENT ON NUMBER 9, IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT MONICA MADE THE MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT WITH A CONDITION THAT THE FENCE IS A [INAUDIBLE] AND THE SUPPLIES CANNOT GO ABOVE THIS [INAUDIBLE].
WHENEVER THERE'S A MOTION WITH A CONDITION, IT NEEDS TO BE SPECIFIC TO WHAT THAT CONDITION IS.
>> WE'VE FOUND THAT AND OTHERS IN THE PAST, IF WE APPROVE IT AS IT'S SUBMITTED, THAT'S FINE. YOU COULD SAY THAT.
BUT IF IT'S GOT A CAVEAT, WE APPROVE IT WITH THESE OTHER CONDITIONS, WE NEED TO SEE THAT ON THE MINUTES.
[OVERLAPPING] RIGHT NOW, YOU LOOK ON OURS AND IT DOESN'T SHOW ANYTHING, BUT YOU GO TO THE COUNCIL'S AND IT SHOWS THE CONDITIONS.
THOSE SHOULD BE THE. [OVERLAPPING]
>> SAME. [NOISE] [OVERLAPPING]
>> RIGHT, BUT IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE PREFER.
>> WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE IS THAT WE DIDN'T RECOMMEND THOSE CONDITIONS. [OVERLAPPING]
>> IT LOOKS LIKE WE YOU JUST SAID APPROVE IT AS IT WAS SUBMITTED, AND THEY ADDED THE CONDITIONS.
WE NEED TO BE SURE, AND ESPECIALLY, MOST OF THAT'S GOING TO BE CONDITIONAL USE THINGS.
BUT IF THERE'S CAVEATS TO THOSE APPROVALS, THOSE NEED TO BE A PART OF THE MINUTES.
>> RIGHT. OTHER THAN THAT? SECOND ANYBODY?
>> OH, IT HAS BEEN. [LAUGHTER] [BACKGROUND]
APPROVE WITH THE CHANGE. ALL IN FAVOR? OPPOSED.
>> WE DO NOT HAVE ANYTHING ELSE.
>> WE NEED A MOTION TO ADJOURN.
>> ADJOURNED.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.